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Aug 20, 9:37 PM

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I've seen regular porn thousands of times already. Its good to go back to sometimes, but ecchi is new.


Ecchi is new? as in new in concept or in general? are you like pulling my leg? ecchi is like milk as porn is to beer and milk is for kids.
 
Aug 20, 9:40 PM

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Burenai said:
Ryuk9428 said:


I fixed your post for you.

wordlimittttttttttttttttttttttt.


More like, I'm literally studying formal logic now, as I do philosophy electives for my major and I can see for CERTAIN you have no knowledge on logic and arguments. And I'm not the one to take the time to frivolously debate people on something I know and they don't. However, one example for you:

'Crime in Canada is equivalent to crime in El Salvador because crime is not completely eradicated and does in-fact exist in Canada.

That's about the level of bad logic your argument has.'

First of all the structure is

If p then q
Q
Therefore P

Secondly, 'referring to how bad logic your argument has' Where? You mean your own logical fallacy? Lol.


Yeah yeah I took a philosophy class too. Taking philosophy classes doesn't make you immune to bad arguments.

If you want to get formal, your argument is very unsound.

You argue ecchi would mostly disappear if it wasn't for piracy and that piracy is the reason it exists.

The Japanese audience is the biggest audience for anime.
Piracy rates are much lower in Japan compared to the rest of the world.
Therefore, ecchi anime cannot possibly be the result of piracy.
 
Aug 20, 9:41 PM

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Kurt_Irving said:
Fine, I'll just watch twice as much ecchi to make up for your dumb boycott.


FYI, the boycott isn't my original idea, it occurred to someone else before me. Also, you could do that, but all of a sudden, you may decide to watch real porn instead on PH, cable TV or whatever. Real porn is far more profitable or sells better for a reason, subjective but that's where the money is at and real adult material sells exponentially high.

The whole attempted point of nearly everyone's posts here "if you don't like it, then don't watch it."

America doesnt prioritizing violence enough. American shows are shit so I watch amine for the violence and gore. American media is only good for comedy.


America is only good for comedy? look at how well Grimm, Daredevil (which outshined and outsold Arrow), Stranger Things as well as 90s X-Files sells and then come back to me.

Ecchi has it's place. In ecchi shows. I understand there is an appeal to "softcore." But you misunderstand. I'm not against ecchi entirely.

Also those western shows you mentioned are boring and suck.
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Aug 20, 9:42 PM

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Kurt_Irving said:
I've seen regular porn thousands of times already. Its good to go back to sometimes, but ecchi is new.


Ecchi is new? as in new in concept or in general? are you like pulling my leg? ecchi is like milk as porn is to beer and milk is for kids.


Ecchi is new for my life. I only started watching any ecchi about six months ago. I've been watching regular porn for almost ten years now.

I don't like hardcore porn. I don't get anything out of seeing penetration and I'm super vanilla and don't have any fetishes. I just want to see scantily clad girls and watch sexual foreplay and in ecchi, scantily clad girls and foreplay is all it is.
 
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Ecchi is new for my life. I only started watching any ecchi about six months ago. I've been watching regular porn for almost ten years now.

I don't like hardcore porn. I don't get anything out of seeing penetration and I'm super vanilla and don't have any fetishes. I just want to see scantily clad girls and watch sexual foreplay and in ecchi, scantily clad girls and foreplay is all it is.

This is respectable. I've never understood the "just watch porn" argument.
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Aug 20, 9:53 PM
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Kurt_Irving said:



Ecchi has it's place. In ecchi shows. I understand there is an appeal to "softcore." But you misunderstand. I'm not against ecchi entirely.


@EndlessMaria It’s hard to believe you when you say this

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ecchi is the cancer that refuses to die until enough people complain about it to make it
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Also those western shows you mentioned are boring and suck.


That's an opinion, not a fact. In entertainment, you can't prove that something is good or bad, it's all subjective. Japanese and American entertainment conglomerates or media companies (including Playboy) don't need to cater to your tastes. They don't care about you as long you don't obstruct their business.

What is a fact is that you live under a rock as your said opinion implies. I can tell that you haven't been keeping up with any of those shows I mentioned any more than many of the ecchi anime you try so hard to loathe and evade.

As suggested before, if you don't like entertainment XYZ that doesn't fit your bubble, then don't watch it. Other than that, I will come to conclusion that you've been trolling a bit too much on this thread until you can prove that any entertainment sucks, is boring, whatever.
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I think it's related to Japan's falling birthrate,so deliberately they focus on Ecchi stuff.






 
Aug 20, 10:49 PM

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@EndlessMaria It’s hard to believe you when you say this

In reference to shows where ecchi doesn't need to be implemented. I made that clear in my opening post.
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Aug 20, 10:50 PM
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I rather that ecchi is prioritized over anything given it has some of the most enjoyable content to offer.
 
Aug 21, 3:09 AM

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Ecchi has it's place. In ecchi shows.

Except that ecchi series have invariably existed on top of other - actual - genres and tend to function primarily as a different type of anime on a fundamental/structural level, just with the noted tendency towards sexualized fanservice being emphasized/being an outright priority.

TLR is a bombastic romcom on a structural level, and it's one with a fuckton of sexualization. DxD is something that uses a lot of battle shounen-y-ish conventions and such as part of the way it's being structured and presented, just with a fuckton of sexualization. Yosuga no Sora is an omnibus harem with a lot of drama. MonMusu is a SoL harem comedy. So on and so forth. Is ecchi present enough in it to where people who dislike it would be very put off by it? Yeah, sure, but does that mean that ecchi is outright defining their structural conventions? No, not at all. All of the narratives, structures, fighting sequences, jokes, so on and so forth, easily could exist and be expanded on outside of ecchi if that's not the direction they wanted to take with it, even in series like Shimoneta where opposing a morally prudish society that's repressive towards these things is the main theme of the narrative. It doesn't need fanservice to communicate that idea, just as TLR doesn't need to be fanservicey to be a bombastic romcom. Plenty of all of these things exists without the ecchi tag, and there is a reason for that. Fucking hell, people *still* complain about High School of the Dead taking the scholocky, spoofy route with a lot of senseless violence and fanservice instead of being a The Walking Dead-style zombie survival horror story. If that isn't telling people something about how ecchi functions, then I don't know what is.

This is why, as @shirorinkorin pointed out, ecchi isn't ever seen as a genre in Japan. Ecchi is just a descriptive term for anything lewd or obscene in this sense, and that's the way ecchi would be applied to series like TLR or DxD or what the fuck ever. The idea of it even being a genre is a western construct rooted from it being applied to shows as if it was one, and the entire argument that it should only *be* in ecchi series is rooted in an idea that doesn't hold water. Ecchi is not a genre. Almost nothing tagged ecchi structures itself as an ecchi, they're just other kinds of series that have a lot of fanservice.

It doesn't help that, even if we were to entertain the idea that ecchi is a concrete enough genre to where literally anything could adequately be completely relegated over to it/contained to it, it'd still be the equivalent of saying that "jokes should only be in comedy anime" or "fighting scenes should only be in action anime." It's not how content distribution works, at all, in any medium. It's unrealistic and it's needlessly regulatory from what's allowed to be displayed in a created work at that, even if you're not presenting it from a morally puritan standpoint.

All you can do is complain that you'll accidentally bump into it and that you don't like it and wish it wasn't there. Which, of course, would be completely fair, given you're in no way obligated to like it and you're in no way obligated to keep silent about your distaste for it. But either you're full of shit or you don't understand what you're asking for entails, but to accomplish the idea of removing ecchi from "non-ecchi" series, you'd have to destroy the concept of sexualization being present as a form of fanservice as a whole to relegate it outside of ecchi series; and yes, that would be tantamount to trying to kill or purge ecchi. You're not merely just complaining about it or criticizing its implementation, you're pushing for industry/creative action that's only standing to benefit people like yourself while actively harming people like myself. And *that* is crossing a line that takes it beyond mere resistance against complaints or critique.

Face it, what you're advocating for here is nothing that's noble or fair to anybody, it's something entirely seeking self-benefit - and that's fine, just don't be surprised whenever the people who would stand to lose from your self-gain think that you're a complete and utter ass-sucking scumfuck for wanting to take shit away from them in this fashion. At the end of the day, you've just made a glorified rant thread that tries to present itself as being something of more value than it'd ever be capable of upholding. Which is all "Well it can exist, but only in ecchi series" has ever amounted to in the first fucking place, posturing at meeting in the middle without grasping that it isn't going to ever be able to function like that in the first place without a lot of needless and completely unfair regulation of what's allowed to be shown in any creative work and trying to launch an attack the existence of sexualized fanservice as a whole.

It's not going to work, and frankly, it shouldn't. Your idea is as two-faced and ignorant as it is disgusting. It sounds like a nice, ideal, flowers-and-sunshine compromise on a superficial level, but beyond the surface, there's nothing but cockroaches, centipedes, and rats that'll be crawling all over and gnawing their way at a corpse. I think people are at least semi-aware of as much and it's why the idea gets some strong resistance each and every time that it's been brought up.
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Aug 21, 3:19 AM

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Hopefully not.

I wanna see @IpreferEcchi 's two sense on this
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If their culture is trash then I have the right to treat it as such.

I want to see culture like that everywhere!


^^^ This is the only true answer lol.
 
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Maybe you should stop watching shounen and start watching seinen then.

And @Ryuk9428

What does "shounen" and "seinen" have to do with this?
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As long as theres money in it they wont


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Ask yourself a simple question: "Does the audience ever get tired of ecchi?" Ecchi is already part of the culture when it comes to this medium. The fraction is incontestably large with weebs/degenerates/people who just want some fun or getting rock-hard, who watch anime for such account. So why would this industry ever refrain itself from implementing ecchi, whilst it ought to render the audience with entertainment they yearn for? It is certain that a lot of fans disdained ecchi for it is futility and excessiveness, but I'm sure that they will not let such trifle to ever impede.
 
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I don't like forced/stpidly inserted ecchi in a show as It can be done in a better way as stupid perverts can exist in any anime etc. It depends how the shows use the ecchi term.
Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood.
 
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EndlessMaria said:
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despite its issues there is western media i partial want to watch and/or have to out of social obligation,
however the cringe in modern western media wears on me
so to relax and decompress i like the polar opposite.

Well that's an interesting way to look at it.

Though I don't understand what you mean by having a social obligation to watch something?

you've never caved to a signifcant other and watched media because your spouse wanted too?
or found some idea possibly intriqing
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palette cleanser

despite its issues there is western media i partial want to watch and/or have to out of social obligation,
however the cringe in modern western media wears on me
so to relax and decompress i like the polar opposite.

Well that's an interesting way to look at it.

Though I don't understand what you mean by having a social obligation to watch something?


social obligations such as:
have you never watched something because your girlfriend/spouse wanted to?

or have you ever watched something that sounded interesting but because of the injected out of place identity politics and SJW/PC B.S it turns to crap.?

or if its a popular enough show just to avoid water cooler talk at work for example

or maybe the show started out good but a few seasons then it "jumps the shark"

those are just a few examples of "social obligations to watch something"

It doesn't help that I tend to be a completionist so if I start something I usually see it through regardless of if it turned to crap

 
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Japan may stop prioritizing ecchi at some point in their lives. They are also living in an era of deteriorated ideas and creativity, almost as if they're living in the Dark Ages. They'll see the light and have a taste of karma sooner than you think.

One day Japan will realize that ecchi or even kid-friendly anime won't be as profitable as they think. Until then, let's just do our best to boycott softcore, suggestive anime porn. Stick to a genre that you think fits or suits your taste.


Fine, I'll just watch twice as much ecchi to make up for your dumb boycott.

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And no, I'm not saying anyone should be forced to watch something, I'm saying YOU are forcing yourself to watch stuff you have some problems with, which is a stupid and an illogical decision, you should just stop. Time is precious, It's much more productive and logical to spend your time on entertainment that you totally approve and that fits your ideological / political agenda rather than trying to change – and fail miserably – a whole culture. People like ecchi and there is more people who like than people who dislike it, it's just obvious.

I am just grateful that the Japanese are free from the politically correctness and they don't give a shit about the arrogant and moralistic people who "problematize" everything people like to enjoy in the world.


Freedom from the SJW and PC culture is probably the best part about watching Japanese media. Yet a disturbing number of people here want Japan to be infected with that joyless ideology too.


I totally agree.
one of my greatest fears is that infection spreading to japan.
you see some fringe shows trying some SJW stuff as well as some dubs having unfaithful to the source material stuff injected into the show, along with censorship of ecchi and other fanservice on some networks etc.

I feel like 5 years from now i'll look back and say now is when it started
 
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Oh look, another prudish ecchi hate thread.
 
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Sex sells I know you have already got that answer but it's true. That's one reason why horror films will never lose stuff like girls in bikinis or scenes centered around sex.

Because it grabs the viewers attention rather quickly. Micheal Bay knows that with his ass and boob shots even for his action films.

It sells because biologically speaking it's something that is designed to grab our attention by nature.
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Ecchi on anime and manga exists not only it sells, but because sex is natural and part of the lives of most people and they enjoy being aroused by erotic situations.

It can change if because of some phenomenon most people who read manga or watch anime become much less sexualised.
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Ecchi on anime and manga exists not only it sells, but because sex is natural and part of the lives of most people and they enjoy being aroused by erotic situations.

It can change if because of some phenomenon most people who read manga or watch anime become much less sexualised.

No it won't change. Best you can do is hope for funimation censorship in the west.
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It's part of their culture and a lot of things are heavily fetishized in Japanese culture and that's reflected in anime.

I agree that it's often unnecessarily inserted and can take away from a show, but it's here to stay :/

Their culture can be pretty irritating. Trips to the beach, hot springs, festivals, club activities, I'm fucking sick of all of it. However, despite this japan seems to create the most amount of media that appeals to me compared to media from other places of the world. Even so, it's frustrating seeing the same cliches again and again and again.


Boohoo, cry me a river.

You sound entitled. There is plenty of anime without ecchi. Get over your illogical issue.
 
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all these people saying "it's their culture" are very ignorant about Japanese culture. It's otaku culture, but otaku culture does not represent all Of Japan. That's like saying bronies represent American culture. Most Japanese don't give a flying fuck about ecchi anime or even look down upon it. Anime and manga are definitely a mainstream part of Japanese culture, but late night otakubait, which is where ecchi falls under, are just as niche as they are in the west. Hardcore otaku are by far the minority in Japan. But they spend a lot of money, so that is who the industry will pander to. Calling the entire country of Japan a bunch of perverts is frankly kinda rude.

edit: my initial post was a bit dated, edited it to be more accurate.
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Well, i have an unpopular and weird opinion for u :- Do Meditation every day and calm ur soul. It will also help in increasing ur toleration power. Coz the way things are right now its safe to assume that Ecchi is not going anywhere.

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As for me, I don't mind at all about Ecchi, in fact I love it.

The only thing I'd much more prefer if there were less harems or less emphasis/focus on the harem genre or element in anime, and focus more on Ecchi situations for multiple male characters instead of for only one male character.

An example of that would be Nande Sensei ga Koko ni ? anime and the World's End Harem manga. Heck, even Visual Novels need more such titles and scenarios with multiple protagonists, as I find it boring and jealous/envious if only one male character gets all the attention from all of the female cast of a story........
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I frown at recent installments of Persona and Trails of Cold Steel that introduce harem-like elements in the story.

We need more JRPGs like the past Lunar series, where there are multiple romantic pairings in the party other than for the protagonist and main heroine.
 
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They already did, years ago. The late 00s and maybe early 10s were when ecchi had a lot of titles but these days you barely get one or two in most seasons.

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While i do understand the op's point of view, i don't agree. I honestly enjoy ecchi and want it to continue being a anime tradition for a long time.

Also @Manaban take this W, you deserve it.
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all these people saying "it's their culture" are very ignorant about Japanese culture. It's otaku culture, but otaku culture does not represent all Of Japan. That's like saying bronies represent American culture.


because like it or not it does represent Japanese culture, as do most aspects of otaku culture
just as bronies represent American culture.

something can be representative of your culture without being the entirety of your culture and just because something is part of "your culture" doesn't mean everyone in your society partakes in it.

many people say things like fast-food, lawsuits, TV, wars etc. are part of American culture yet you have many Americans who never have eaten fast-food or partook in any/many of those actives.
 
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yes priorizyte genre in anime battle shounen
 
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all these people saying "it's their culture" are very ignorant about Japanese culture. It's otaku culture, but otaku culture does not represent all Of Japan. That's like saying bronies represent American culture. Most Japanese don't give a flying fuck about ecchi anime or even look down upon it and the only anime they watch if at all is like, Detective Conan and Doraemon and stuff. Otaku are by far the minority in Japan. But they spend a lot of money, so that is who the industry will pander to. Calling the entire country of Japan a bunch of perverts is frankly kinda rude.


Are drugs not a part of American culture? Is getting wasted at a pub not part of Irish culture? Is vodka and alcoholism not a part of Russian culture? Were cigarettes not a part of 1970s American culture? Is gender segregation not a part of Saudi Arabia's culture? Are love hotels and prostitution also not a part of Japanese culture? If you answered yes, then that shows you're basically trying to deny that anything controversial can be part of a country's culture.

Ecchi anime is not limited to otakus. 60% of all the media coming out of Japan is anime and a small chunk of the 40% that isn't are live action adaptations of anime, which means that, anime is a much bigger part of Japan's culture than the "I'm the one who really understands Japan, and I know they hate weebs!" crowd claims it to be. A lot of horny teenage boys in Japan probably fap to ecchi regardless of whether they are obsessed with anime or not. Anime is an enormous part of the teen/young adult culture in Japan. Most of the J-pop songs I hear either have an anime girl on the cover, are voiced by Hatsune Miku or some other vocaloid program, or are obviously inspired by anime. There is J-pop that is completely unrelated to anime, but it is the minority.
 
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when ecchi stops making money then ya
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Nope. Just like you said it's were some moolah is coming from so I doubt it.
 
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yes priorizyte genre in anime battle shounen


I'll take stuff like Keijo and Kiss x Sis over trash like Black clover and Fire Force all day
 
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nope, as a matter fact that every ecchi of anime sales is very good in japan if I'm not mistaken. it's not going to happen soon or maybe in the next 10-20 years. I personally want to separate the ecchi genre from anime and just straight away make hentai.

ofcourse I don't mind ecchi. but I really don't like when it's combined with good anime. shokugeki no souma, fairy tail and Highschool of the Dead to name few.


Thoses all terrible examples because their all ecchi series
Not to mention thoses series wouldn’t work without the ecchi element
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Nerdanimefan1992 said:
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nope, as a matter fact that every ecchi of anime sales is very good in japan if I'm not mistaken. it's not going to happen soon or maybe in the next 10-20 years. I personally want to separate the ecchi genre from anime and just straight away make hentai.

ofcourse I don't mind ecchi. but I really don't like when it's combined with good anime. shokugeki no souma, fairy tail and Highschool of the Dead to name few.


Thoses all terrible examples because their all ecchi series
Not to mention thoses series wouldn’t work without the ecchi element

This. I always find it funny when someone cries about ecchi in anime that clearly have the ecchi tag, and then cry it would be better without out.
 
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EndlessMaria said:
Will anime ever stop forcing in ecchi elements whenever possible? I have no problem with ecchi in purely ecchi shows. Ecchi is a genre and many people love it and that's fine. However, I am getting sick of the obligatory boob gropes and molestations in anime where ecchi isn't needed. Usually in serious shows where brief ecchi scenes are injected in an attempt to "lighten the mood." Similar to "humor" in shows that aren't primarily comedies (such as the short "jokes" in FMA), these scenes often just come off as fucking frustrating and a waste of time.

Imo these needless subversions just hurt the show and ruin the pacing and impact of the plot. I know ecchi is there to make money, but will it ever go away in shows that don't need it?


In my experience these ecchi moments only last seconds, and are far afew in between. Honestly op, you're making mountains out of molehills.
 
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EndlessMaria said:
Will anime ever stop forcing in ecchi elements whenever possible? I have no problem with ecchi in purely ecchi shows. Ecchi is a genre and many people love it and that's fine. However, I am getting sick of the obligatory boob gropes and molestations in anime where ecchi isn't needed. Usually in serious shows where brief ecchi scenes are injected in an attempt to "lighten the mood." Similar to "humor" in shows that aren't primarily comedies (such as the short "jokes" in FMA), these scenes often just come off as fucking frustrating and a waste of time.

Imo these needless subversions just hurt the show and ruin the pacing and impact of the plot. I know ecchi is there to make money, but will it ever go away in shows that don't need it?

I'm against ecchi, as well but the sad truth is - it will always be there because sex makes money. Our world is crazy about sex which is why we see sexual content in games and anime being censored more than some obvious violent content. If you look at the history of Earth, we always have some kind of war going on - there's always a conflict and isn't a single country without any wars. Violence is in our nature and it's just something we can't get rid of - all we need is a reason to hate someone and be open to use violence against them. But luckily the current age allows us to control this desire better. Sex is kind of the same but worse because it's much deeper in our psychology than violence and it's much more difficult to deal with. Basically, if you hurt a person or kill them - that's it, they're hurt or dead. They will apply the bandages and what-not and eventually get over it... but sexual stuff? It's always about "owning" the other person, using their bodies and mind, you can talk to rape victims and they will tell you how it affected them, how they would look at their body and wouldn't forget the cruelty that was done to them. And that's pretty much what the sexual instinct is about - psychological pleasure combined with physical.
Both sex and physical violence are sick and animalistic, it's something we as humans need to control and that's all there is to it. Nobody is safe from turning into a violence freak or a sexual pervert.

The best thing you can do as a person is lead others by example and not criticise it too much. Every genre and everything has different people in it, and someone who's into "justice wins" type of anime isn't guaranteed to be a better person than someone who's into "let's make 10 pantie-shots per episode" anime or worse... That said, from my experience you are more likely to meet nice people in "justice wins" type of anime - it's not prejudice, just how it is. Sex spoils one's taste. Just like one of those articles where they say that people who are having too much sex are less likely to fall in love and actually feel something more than the sex-pleasure.

As for anime getting over ecchi - it does have this problem and the main reason is money. Let's make an example with the game Crystar - it's a game that is about a girl who kills her sister (accidentally) and then ventures on a sad adventure to fix that. The game is very shoujo and risky; obviously, females are more into shoujo and there's less female gamers than male, especially in Japan. But if you add one-two sexual elements - the chances of selling the game will be higher because ecchi-people will be interested in it. And ecchi-people are usually in this constant paranoia, so they'd make sure to buy the game because "it's ecchi, it's wrong, they will take away this from me because there's these SJW and AH!". Usually it's mentally ill, insecure people older than 20 years old who are not admitting their perversion which kind of isolates them: they can't get the "real" thing (especially if they're into some sick stuff) and they can't be normal. So, they have this need to "support" ecchi stuff with money... it's like a drug, in other words. There was actually some little scandal with censorship and the game removing a few sexual moments because of Sony didn't want it on PS4. So, you can imagine that the "uncensored" (aka "the same game + 2 seconds of a naked butt") version is going to sell more even though it is the same game minus two seconds of a naked butt of a young heroine... and if the original release did not have this content, it would get much less interest and sales.

Ecchi and moe are pretty big in Japan and from what I know, Japanese women throw away all this stuff when they get married to Japanese men who are into that. I'm glad to say that Japan is still holding up their moral values, unlike USA or Europe which seem to be getting crazier about sex with every year, with celebrities wearing see-through dresses and California people walking close to naked. I won't be surprised if they'll be legalizing non-monogamious marriages soon, honestly.

That said, I would like to note that not all ecchi is bad. Or rather "ecchi that makes sense" is okay. Say, it's Prison School anime - the anime is filled with all the sexy stuff but it's also very funny and not your regular 'pantie shot" type of thing; the ecchi in it is tasteful and doesn't replace the story or tries to spoil its viewer to get all of the naughty figurines and magazines. It's just that kind of story. Or Kill la Kill. Then there's also some anime and games that add ecchi elements because they fit. Sometimes it's there to tell a more connected story: like if it's a shonen anime and they're going through puberty - obviously the females would seem (!!!) more sexier than they actually are, hence the big breasts, hence all the "I'm licking the icecream that Mari-chan licked" jokes.

All I can say is that you shouldn't be dismissing all ecchi just because it's ecchi and loving anti-ecchi because it's "anti-ecchi". It's the same as racism - if you look at someone differently because of their race, that's racism, and it doesn't matter if you're looking at them with "wow, you're so cool, your race totally rocks!" eyes. That's the same racism, just reversed. "Too good" is not a positive thing, you know? Being open-minded is about not having these prejudices, so don't do that and just try to give everything a chance. It's usually fairly easy to understand if some anime is using ecchi because they have no stories to tell or because they just used ecchi to get moe money and sell naughty figurines for "art appreciators". XD

Modified by Shonen-Heartful, Sep 9, 1:21 PM
 
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U si ply dont get the idea..look its ok if u dont really like it but most of the people do includong me so if this genre was to be stopped it would be a matter of peoples heart broken as well as the animes getting a huge loss in viewers considering some ppl watch it solely for ecchi elements so ypur basis on stopping it is very very weak like just imagin alot of people will agree with u but some people who dont wanna get in fights will keep quiet even tho they like ecchi so just stop with this nonsense (no offense)
 
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