Mental illness issues could make death penalty impossible for Kyoto Animation arsonist

CondemneDio said:

That's revenge, not justice.
Lock him up, and make him miserable. Killing him is just letting emotions cloud your rationality.

Railey2 said:
again, how do you know whether or not he's fit to live in society? He might be fine if he receives proper care.

Storytime, I have an aunt who is schizophrenic. She's a little bit odd but she can function normally for the most part if she's taking her medication. She needs help here and there, but she's doing mostly fine on her own. She even has a job.

One time she stopped taking her medication for more than a week and started believing that my cousin carries some disease that will destroy humanity if it's allowed to spread, so she started rambling about having to kill my cousin. Thankfully nothing happened because her father quickly noticed and put her back on the meds, but this goes to show that normally functioning people can really lose their shit and become dangerous due to mental illness. I'm sure that many people who have experience with psychosis can tell you similar stories.

One day you're functioning just fine and the next day you think that the aliens are watching you and start setting up traps in your living room. Or you go ahead and burn down a building, killing 35 people.

Is my aunt fit for society? The answer is it depends on the care that she receives. If she receives proper care, the answer is yes. If she doesn't, my cousing might have gotten stabbed, and that's how it is with many people that suffer from extreme schizophrenia. That's why proper health care is so important.

I really want to stress this because it's super important and something that you absolutely have to understand when talking about schizophrenia. For all you know, the guy set Kyoani on fire is completely safe if he receives proper care and has someone to check in on him on a weekly basis. This isn't only a distinct possibility either, it's a very real possibility.


Now on to the next point, "but how will the families feel?"
How will they feel if he isn't killed by the state? I have no idea, it depends on the person, I suppose. Let's just say that I don't give a fuck about the feelings of people who think that it's right to have mentally ill people murdered. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Lots of people feel lots of things. We shouldn't always listen to them.


I'm glad that you and I agree that the first and foremost priority should be the prevention of further harm. I don't want the guy to get out and kill again either. I think nobody wants that. I'm sure even he doesn't want that, at this point.

Yarub said:

It's as if Iran isn't one of the top oil exporters too? You're a great poser. Your country literally sells oil to despotic states like NK, and fund their nuclear program, while the people get nothing at all. No free speech and more money is better than nothing at all. In KSA, you're literally only restricted in a dew fields in free speech: religion, the royal family, and state policies. That's fucking it. How can you even compare that to NK where you can't speak for shit?

It is justified in KSA, because that is the law. If you wish to be adulterous, immigrate. Atleast in Saudi Arabia you're not literally jailed inside the country like your shithole.

Except what I said is totally common sense. If you are in danger if you express a state of mind, don't express it. It's survival 101, but humans even regressed into beings that show no intellect or basic instinct, like you.

Stop being the classic west cock sucker and think for yourself for one second.

Yarub said:
On homosexuals: Just don't be.

aylarchan said:
Yeah, they might be doing that, and I don't agree with them, that's the difference between you and me, I'm not blind and I cannot be bought, I see they're doing a lot of bad stuff, so I say screw them. and by the way, since we're talking about "funding" evil. who's funding all the Islamic schools around the globe? who's teaching young white muslims that "west bad" and "islam good" who's basically training these future extremists?

You don't really know what free speech means, do you? and it's not even just a free speech issue, they don't just shut you up, they fucking kill you, they send you to jail for like...just for talking and writing, and you're defending that...in 2019...and somehow I'm the cock sucker here.

You're not even willing to say what they're doing is wrong, and yet you call me a "classic west cock sucker" just because I believe in human rights. that's just fantastic.

You know slavery was also a law, and so was apartheid, not every law is right. you're basically defending savagery and barbarism, by saying it's just a law. the radicals are saying the same thing about the mandatory hijab here, you hate each other so much (radical shias and you people) but you're so similar, in every way.

"Just leaving" isn't that simple and you know it. rahaf mohammed left, now she's getting death threats daily, not everyone are as lucky as her. and I'm not sure if even women can leave your country without a man's permission? either way, doesn't matter, enjoy your oil money, and in the end, you will go to your heaven and get your virgins, right? good, have an awesome journey.

Railey2 said:
are you serious?
You can't just choose to not be gay, that's not how it works. You can choose to not live as a homosexual, but let's be real, demanding that from people is about as cruel as it gets. It's like telling a straight person that they can never touch a woman, and that they should probably get married to a man OR ELSE

aylarchan is correct, Saudi Arabia and Iran are both horrible countries that commit a shitload of human rights violations. Not to equate them, because Iran is still a lot more regressive than Saudi Arabia, but from a western perspective, they're both REALLY BAD.
Can they be fine to live in? I suppose, if you're somewhat well off and male. If you're not though? Good luck.

I for one respect the people that speak out against the cruelty, especially when they do it at risk of their own lives. Every revolution is paid for in blood, and they're doing their part. Each dead body a stepping stone for the next free thinker, until the day where they can finally be actually free.
I totally understand if your sense for self-preservation supersedes your desire to stand up for what's right, but standing up is not something to scoff at, in my estimation.

Yarub said:

When did I say I agree with them? Why are you insinuating that my passivity towards such systems means that I support it? I represent reality completely. i do not tread through imaginations where the Middle East is some democratic heaven, because it's not.
Whatever is done in other countries grounds is their business. If they cannot control their premises, then they deserve to be overthrown by Muslim extremists. Maybe they'll be more competent in governing.

The only thing I'm defending about KSA is the fact that Saudi is nowhere near North Korea in tyranny scale.

What they're doing is not wrong nor right. You know what's legal and illegal in said countries. If you do something illegal, then you get punished. Even for "free speech". You don't enter a lion's den expecting not to get torn to pieces, because "oh nyooooo, that's a human rights violation".

Islam demolished such laws 13 centuries before the Americans. No we're not, Sunni Islam is much more viable than Shia.

They can leave without consent after the age of 21. You keep bringing up oil money, as if you hailed from Zimbabwe or something? Shut the fuck up. You're the cunts who monopolized the whole oil business after the lifting of the oil ban and fucked the whole world.

A note of farewell: Advocate for fixing your shithole of a country before criticizing other ones.


You're right. But it is what it is. If you want to be gay, then you either die in Saudi Arabian grounds by law, or immigrate to other Western countries.
On the other hand, it's not that hard to keep your dick in your pants till you finish education, and then travel off on your own to work at at liberty. Literally millions over millions of people here do that.

And oh please, the whole "oppression of women/men live better off" here is really fucking subjective. If you're a woman in Saudi, you literally don't have to do shit. You get everything you want, and people actually respect your chastity and place in society. What is taken from women in "freedom" is accounted for in lifestyle and lavishness. I am not justifying anything; I am simply stating an empirical fact that I saw for the whole of my 20 years of life.

Railey2 said:
well. If you're one of the women who want to make that trade, the good for you. You're correct in that there are many women who enjoy being treated as second class citizens for their entire life, who willingly give up their rights and live at their mercy of their husbands, with all the comforts that a life like this might or might not provide. Good for them.
The problem is that there are many women who don't want to live like that, who want to be equal, but they don't get the choice.
Does that seem fair to you?

For someone who says that he doesn't want to justify it, you sure make a lot of excuses.
"It's all subjective"
"Yes they are oppressed but they get something for it that makes up for the oppression"
"If you're gay just keep your dick in your pants"
"You know some people enjoy being oppressed!"
...


I realize that you might face consequences yourself if you say too much one here. I really hope that this is the reason why you are so reluctant to, you know, actually condemn the inhumane treatment that lots of people in your country are subjected to on a daily basis.
Because what you're doing right now is not that, you're just trying to defend the status-quo.

It's not a good look :/