Yarub said:aylarchan said:Yeah, they might be doing that, and I don't agree with them, that's the difference between you and me, I'm not blind and I cannot be bought, I see they're doing a lot of bad stuff, so I say screw them. and by the way, since we're talking about "funding" evil. who's funding all the Islamic schools around the globe? who's teaching young white muslims that "west bad" and "islam good" who's basically training these future extremists?
When did I say I agree with them? Why are you insinuating that my passivity towards such systems means that I support it? I represent reality completely. i do not tread through imaginations where the Middle East is some democratic heaven, because it's not.
Whatever is done in other countries grounds is their business. If they cannot control their premises, then they deserve to be overthrown by Muslim extremists. Maybe they'll be more competent in governing.
You don't really know what free speech means, do you? and it's not even just a free speech issue, they don't just shut you up, they fucking kill you, they send you to jail for like...just for talking and writing, and you're defending that...in 2019...and somehow I'm the cock sucker here.
The only thing I'm defending about KSA is the fact that Saudi is nowhere near North Korea in tyranny scale.
You're not even willing to say what they're doing is wrong, and yet you call me a "classic west cock sucker" just because I believe in human rights. that's just fantastic.
What they're doing is not wrong nor right. You know what's legal and illegal in said countries. If you do something illegal, then you get punished. Even for "free speech". You don't enter a lion's den expecting not to get torn to pieces, because "oh nyooooo, that's a
human rights violation".
You know slavery was also a law, and so was apartheid, not every law is right. you're basically defending savagery and barbarism, by saying it's just a law. the radicals are saying the same thing about the mandatory hijab here, you hate each other so much (radical shias and you people) but you're so similar, in every way.
Islam demolished such laws 13 centuries before the Americans. No we're not, Sunni Islam is much more viable than Shia.
"Just leaving" isn't that simple and you know it. rahaf mohammed left, now she's getting death threats daily, not everyone are as lucky as her. and I'm not sure if even women can leave your country without a man's permission? either way, doesn't matter, enjoy your oil money, and in the end, you will go to your heaven and get your virgins, right? good, have an awesome journey.
They can leave without consent after the age of 21. You keep bringing up oil money, as if you hailed from Zimbabwe or something? Shut the fuck up. You're the cunts who monopolized the whole oil business after the lifting of the oil ban and fucked the whole world.
A note of farewell: Advocate for fixing your shithole of a country before criticizing other ones.
Railey2 said:are you serious?
You can't just choose to not be gay, that's not how it works. You can choose to not live as a homosexual, but let's be real, demanding that from people is about as cruel as it gets. It's like telling a straight person that they can never touch a woman, and that they should probably get married to a man OR ELSE
aylarchan is correct, Saudi Arabia and Iran are both horrible countries that commit a shitload of human rights violations. Not to equate them, because Iran is still a lot more regressive than Saudi Arabia, but from a western perspective, they're both REALLY BAD.
Can they be fine to live in? I suppose, if you're somewhat well off and male. If you're not though? Good luck.
I for one respect the people that speak out against the cruelty, especially when they do it at risk of their own lives. Every revolution is paid for in blood, and they're doing their part. Each dead body a stepping stone for the next free thinker, until the day where they can finally be actually free.
I totally understand if your sense for self-preservation supersedes your desire to stand up for what's right, but standing up is not something to scoff at, in my estimation.
You're right. But it is what it is. If you want to be gay, then you either die in Saudi Arabian grounds by law, or immigrate to other Western countries.
On the other hand, it's not that hard to keep your dick in your pants till you finish education, and then travel off on your own to work at at liberty. Literally millions over millions of people here do that.
And oh please, the whole "oppression of women/men live better off" here is really fucking subjective. If you're a woman in Saudi, you literally don't have to do shit. You get everything you want, and people actually respect your chastity and place in society. What is taken from women in "freedom" is accounted for in lifestyle and lavishness. I am not justifying anything; I am simply stating an empirical fact that I saw for the whole of my 20 years of life.
well. If you're one of the women who want to make that trade, the good for you. You're correct in that there are many women who enjoy being treated as second class citizens for their entire life, who willingly give up their rights and live at their mercy of their husbands, with all the comforts that a life like this might or might not provide. Good for them.