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Why do most reverse harem MCs always have small boobs ?

I find that quite stupid and illogical from a probability perspective, considering that in real life, a majority of the planet's female population either have average size boobs or big ones ( including those who are...um...fat ? )

Those that have small boobs are quite the tiny minority, so I wonder why must reverse harem MCs especially those from a typical Shoujo manga-style story must always have small boobs. I get it that they want to portray that the guys are not attracted to her due to her outward appearance, but to her inner personality, but IMHO, why not both ? A female MC can be charming not only for the inner personality charms, but also on the sex appeal factor.

For example, a female MC starring in a future reverse harem anime can be also an OP character with big boobs especially if she would be a good Succubus or Vampire or something like that, who is not evil but only the urge to want to suck some energy from her male harem members whenever her magic or mana runs out ( kinda like a reverse gender version of Masou Gakuen ? )

Such an assertive MC that also has some sort of sex appeal but would also be respectful to her male comrades would also be appealing for male viewers than the typical weak-willed small-boobed boring Shoujo manga MC, right ?
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I frown at recent installments of Persona and Trails of Cold Steel that introduce harem-like elements in the story.

We need more JRPGs like the past Lunar series, where there are multiple romantic pairings in the party other than for the protagonist and main heroine.
 
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Ehurvaks said:
( kinda like a reverse gender version of Masou Gakuen ? )



You really can’t compare Hxh to the reverse harem genre
 
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Y'all know the saying - Flat is justice.
 
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I think it has to do with Japanese culture. Most women there have small chests I guess? Also reverse harem is more aimed towards a female audience so I guess they would try to not have a girl with a big chest or over sexualize her.

Then again it is weird because in most harem shows, doesn't the MC almost always end with the flat chested girl?
 
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I mean a mc with mega tits would stand out a lot, and I think most harem mc, be it reverse or not, are made to be as plain as possible so that the viewer can self-insert better or something.




 
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Based OP making the important questions. We need more of these ones in MAL.
 
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Because the girls aren't the important part of a reverse harem. A lot of them are adapted from otome games where the MC is a self insert for the player.

would also be appealing for male viewers

Reverse harems are made for female audiences, there's really no need for them to cater to an audience they aren't intended for. And like you said, those from shoujo manga are made for the shoujo demographic - teenage girls. There are definitely smutty shoujo manga out there, but most of the demographic just wants a fluffy story of a normal girl being centred around a bunch of hot guys. I'm sure the mangaka doesn't care enough to give their MC sexualised features when they know their audience is mainly here for the dudes.

If you want more a sexualised reverse harem, I'd suggest looking at material in the josei demographic.

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-Most breast size in the west are ~500ml, with US being +1.6k ml
-In Japan, the average is just under 180ml, on par with undeveloped countries (except for France and s. Korea for some reason) because of low BMI

-Reverse Harem appeals to the average Japanese female audience. The average audience has small breasts,thus they portray that in this genre. As well, an insecurity over having small breasts, hence, at times, small boob jokes being the butt of the convo in anime.
-If you've come to notice, this isn't just a thing in reverse harem, but shoujo anime in general . Shounen typically appeals to male audience, hence why they portray an ideal version of a female instead of the average female, hence bigger breasts.
-On topic with shounen, it has also come to portray a smaller built MC instead of the ideal burly/big muscled/"manly" male. They look average, not tall, and generally younger looking. However, shoujo portray males (not always) as an ideal variation-- lean with muscles, tall, and more mature. So, the reverse also happens with guys.


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In the case of Haruhi Fujioka from "Ouran High School Host Club", she's a reverse trap, something that would be nearly impossible for a gal with bodacious tatas to pull off.
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For the same reason that male MC's in regular harem shows (and a lot of isekai's as well since the two are usually linked) usually look plain. So the intended audience (in this case teenage girls) will have an easier time projecting themselves onto a character if they look like a version of how they see themselves. Average and not super-attractive like big-tiddy-shounen-girl-#2349
 
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Because asian women need to self insert themselves into the mess.
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foxsuprise said:
-In Japan, the average is just under 180ml, on par with undeveloped countries (except for France and s. Korea for some reason) because of low BMI
Nice. Flat is justice, and supreme.



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Do they? I don't really care. It has to be a Japanese thing.
 
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I haven't noticed probably cause I don't care about it all that much.

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For the same reason why harem MCs look like toothnail lifters with their pathetic physiques when compared to the girls in harems which are all miss universe, in their own personal way.
 
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For the same reason why harem MCs look like toothnail lifters with their pathetic physiques when compared to the girls in harems which are all miss universe, in their own personal way.


Bingo. The MC of a harem is there for the viewer to use as a self insert, both male and female. And skinny men/women are more common than big breasted beauties or muscular hunks, especially among the anime watching audience.
 
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Ehurvaks said:
I find that quite stupid and illogical from a probability perspective, considering that in real life, a majority of the planet's female population either have average size boobs or big ones ( including those who are...um...fat ? )
Well if you're literally using "average", and calling "big" anything that's bigger than average, then yes, by definition, "average" + "big" are the majority, but that doesn't tell us anything about what those sizes are.

Real-life women tend not to have oversized boobs like anime characters do; in fact the real-life average is probably what would be considered "small" for anime.


Ehurvaks said:
Why do most reverse harem MCs always have small boobs ?
Hmm, maybe I should check out more reverse harems.

Sleek bodies with flat chests are very attractive.



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-Reverse Harem appeals to the average Japanese female audience. The average audience has small breasts,thus they portray that in this genre. As well, an insecurity over having small breasts, hence, at times, small boob jokes being the butt of the convo in anime.
-If you've come to notice, this isn't just a thing in reverse harem, but shoujo anime in general . Shounen typically appeals to male audience, hence why they portray an ideal version of a female instead of the average female, hence bigger breasts.
Gosh I hate "jealous of big breasts" gags.

Anyhow, I never got why giant honking boobies were seen as part of an ideal female figure. Some chest bulge, sure, but two large bulbous melons looks more like a bad comedy prop (and often gets used as such).
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they don't need big tits for fanservice since that tends not to impress a female audience.
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is this a male gender issure...human issue...mental illness perhaps?
 
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Giant tits are gross and obnoxious.

If there's one thing I dislike about anime (and I genuinely think it might be the only real problem I have with the culture) is these ridiculously, grotesquely, freakishly big boobs. I think, to actually be in to that is a wierd fetish. There is a size beyond which you no longer have a taut, firm, round breast, but instead a wobbly ball of meat. Breasts lose all their beauty when they look like this. There's nothing feminine (cute, modest, dainty, petite) about them at all.

I find completely flat girls 10x more attractive than girls with boobs exceeding about D cup.

Most guys, thankfully, prefer normal sized boobs. The proportion of guys that prefer D+ cups is only about 30% on average, although this varies wildly depending on what region you survey. But it never goes over 50% from what I've read.

Considering the way otaku culture celebrates youthfulness to the exagerrated extent it does with lolis and such, it's weird that so many shows choose to give girls idiotically sized boobs. It's kind of in the minority outside of hentai though, but it's a shame there isn't more fan service heavy shows with average sized boobs. It's all extremes of lolis or giant tit monsters.

Also, I think OP greatly overestimates what the average boob size is across most of the world. It's about a B cup. The average in most of asia being an A cup.

I wish more anime girls looked like reverse harem MCs.
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Giant tits are gross and obnoxious.

If there's one thing I dislike about anime (and I genuinely think it might be the only real problem I have with the culture) is these ridiculously, grotesquely, freakishly big boobs. (...)

First of all, there's nothing wrong with your opinion of giant tits. Not everyone has the same preferences and you're certainly not alone in finding small-breasted women more attractive.

That said, why would you say this is an *anime* problem? To my observation this seems to be true of other fandoms, of swimsuit/cheesecake/lingerie fandom (not to mention outright porn), and in general across most if not all cultures.
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They're mostly normal sized, you probably just find them small because male-targeted anime give you a skewed perspective on what 'average' is because on 'average' the tits are oversized in a lot of those shows.

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So that your average female viewer won't have a hard time projecting themselves onto the MC, or just feeling jealous of them.
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Because a harem MC is supposed to be relatable, boring, and below average in order to be a"succesful" harem MC.
 
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The same reason why harem MCs aren't gorgeous ikemen. So the female target audience can better project on them, and straight women generally aren't interested in big ol' anime tiddies. Also most of the reverse harem and otome game protags I know are pretty average sized (Yona, Cardia) or even relatively busty (Ema Tachibana, Maria Scissorland, and Ashe, I am looking at you, I guess it's an ero-otome thing). Apparently not looking like they came outta Eiken is "small"?

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well, the girl from amnesia didn't even have a name. most of these harem mc are just self-insert anyway
i forget they're around half the time tbh. that's kind of the point i guess
 
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Wait, this is a thing? Never noticed it.
 
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Hm. Well age might have something to do with it. Unlike regular ol harem anime, the reverse will have slightly more realistic proportions. And so 15/16 year old girls look like they're actually that age.

(But yeah it's also because plain and common character design makes self insertion easier, which is stupid af but whatever)
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I prefer small boobs to big ones honestly. Always have. Pretty sure its because huge areola absolutely disgusts me. Never been into big ones much. But I'm a fucking virgin so what do I know.
 
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Thank you everyone for your comments and opinions !

It gave more new perspectives on this topic, and now I know why most such MCs have small boobs. Hopefully the opposite would be the future trend.....
I frown at recent installments of Persona and Trails of Cold Steel that introduce harem-like elements in the story.

We need more JRPGs like the past Lunar series, where there are multiple romantic pairings in the party other than for the protagonist and main heroine.
 
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because reverse harems are targeted at girls lol?
 
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I guess it's to make MC look more plain. The whole point of reverse harem is a fantasy where plain girl (so it's easy for anyone to identify with MC I guess) gets popular with bishounens. I think that since big boobs are traditionally considered more attractive in anime (though I have no idea why since plenty of people prefer them small) it would go against the MC being plain as she would already have a redeeming feature. I guess it's same reason why harem MCs all have dark eyes and hair and no redeeming features to speak of.
 
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-Most breast size in the west are ~500ml, with US being +1.6k ml
lol the US obesity epidemic is really showing there, that's kinda funny
 
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foxsuprise said:
-Most breast size in the west are ~500ml, with US being +1.6k ml
lol the US obesity epidemic is really showing there, that's kinda funny

Weirdly enough, that study in pdf shows how even women in 21-24 BMI in US have bigger breasts than the average in many European countries. They state US+Cda are outliers in terms of weight greatly affecting breast size (in women who haven't lactated yet or had any breast modifications ie. surgery). Though obesity is one factor to consider still.

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foxsuprise said:
-Reverse Harem appeals to the average Japanese female audience. The average audience has small breasts,thus they portray that in this genre. As well, an insecurity over having small breasts, hence, at times, small boob jokes being the butt of the convo in anime.
-If you've come to notice, this isn't just a thing in reverse harem, but shoujo anime in general . Shounen typically appeals to male audience, hence why they portray an ideal version of a female instead of the average female, hence bigger breasts.

I never got why giant honking boobies were seen as part of an ideal female figure. Some chest bulge, sure, but two large bulbous melons looks more like a bad comedy prop (and often gets used as such).


As someone who has very large breasts with a very small waist (like, +10in difference), all I think about with big-breasted anime girls is the back-pain they endure and how annoying running becomes. Can't even begin to imagine living in JP with such large breasts and how little variety of useful bras you can find there IRL.


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No idea, but if that's really the case (haven't watched reverse harems much if at all) then thanks for the info, I won't be trying out more.
 
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Think about the original intended audience. Main characters have to be relatable. Why are all male harem MCs the same character? Same reason.
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