Trump threatens to retaliate against countries like Japan, Canada, Uruguay that issued travel warnings
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Aug 11, 2019 8:26 AM
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WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump threatened undefined retaliation Friday against countries and organizations that issue travel warnings on the United States because of gun violence. "If they did that, we'd just reciprocate," Trump said during a wide-ranging impromptu gaggle with reporters at the White House, en route to fundraisers in New York. Warnings about gun violence, which are of varying degrees of intensity, have come in recent years from a list of countries that include Uruguay, Venezuela, Japan, Germany, Ireland, Canada, and New Zealand. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/09/trump-threatens-retaliation-over-travel-warnings-against-us/1965898001/ This is not good BYE TOURISTS |
Aug 11, 2019 8:36 AM
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clown world really is ramping up. i need to get my shit together faster, i’ll be holed up at my villa in northern france or italy, idk how all of you are gonna handle the future but im peace-ing out as soon as i can. |
Oh maybe, maybe it's the clothes we wear The tasteless bracelets and the dye in our hair Or maybe, maybe it's our nowhere towns or our nothing places But we're trash, you and me We're the litter on the breeze We're the lovers on the streets Just trash, me and you It's in everything we do It's in everything we do |
Aug 11, 2019 8:40 AM
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US: has massive problem with gun violence. A few countries: "Hey citizens, you should take care when traveling to the US." Trump: "How DARE they say we aren't number one!!!!!1!!!" |
Aug 11, 2019 11:11 AM
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He'd 'reciprocate'? So he'd say "we advise you that travelling to Japan is dangerous because their government thinks travelling to the US is dangerous?" |
Aug 11, 2019 11:49 AM
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Yeah Trump is just being too egotistical and not thinking logically here. I'm American myself but I can understand why a country might issue a travel warning if they know that there's a significantly higher chance of encountering issues in my country than their own. Our homicide rate compared to Japan's is extremely high. The cities of Balitmore and Detroit alone have just as many homicides as the entire country of Japan does. Our homicide rate overall is 17 times higher than theirs. The difference between Japan's rate of homicide and the US's is comparable to the difference between the US and El Salvador or Mexico. Most US cities are not really safe to walk around at midnight and somebody from a country with a lower rate of violent crime might not understand that without a warning. |
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Aug 11, 2019 12:27 PM
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Aug 11, 2019 2:22 PM
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Freedoms have their drawbacks don't they? |
Aug 11, 2019 2:48 PM
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Every country issues or withholds travel warnings against every other country for various reasons. It can definitely be political, but it doesn't seem the case here as these are mostly U.S.-aligned countries. It shows this is a real issue. Japan is not a country that would in this current age do something just to spite the U.S.; if anything it's the opposite and they would generally overlook and swallow things. This serves to demonstrate they have certain standards for their citizenry and its security abroad they cannot just ignore. It's a sign of independence from some of these U.S.-aligned or dependent countries' governments I'd say, which is admirable. In my travels, I've been to 49 of the 50 U.S. states and never been a victim of violent crime, but statistically speaking, the U.S. is a lot more dangerous in its urban centers than a lot of developed countries. I'd feel safer in Europe or East Asia than most American cities. |
Aug 11, 2019 3:25 PM
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facts don't care about ur feelings donny |
Aug 11, 2019 4:10 PM
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It is true if you are in the US and go to a highly visited locale in public, there is a risk a gunman might want to draw attention by shooting into the crowd. He might've thought the 'mass' in mass-shooting meant the people only went to places of worship to get killed; instead of Vegas, fairs and other gatherings. Ryuk9428 said: Good points, I agree.Yeah Trump is just being too egotistical and not thinking logically here. I'm American myself but I can understand why a country might issue a travel warning if they know that there's a significantly higher chance of encountering issues in my country than their own. Our homicide rate compared to Japan's is extremely high. |
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Aug 11, 2019 7:22 PM
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Maenads said: Your odds of being gunned down in the United States are still extremely low, just a bit higher than other countries. You also have a better chance of being killed by lightning than by a mass shooter. |
Aug 11, 2019 7:57 PM
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Maenads said: Your odds of being gunned down in the United States are still extremely low, just a bit higher than other countries. "The number of gun deaths in Japan totaled six in 2014, compared with 33,599 in the United States" I don't know since when "a bit higher than" means more than 5000 times the amount. Yes, more than half of them are suicides. Yes, the US has almost 3 times larger population and yes, the chances of the average person getting shot are very low. However it isn't something that one should completely ignore. |
Aug 11, 2019 8:03 PM
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news outlets ALWAYS ramp up negative news such as mass shootings. It actually happens a lot less than people believe. Its like how people think cops are gunning down black people even though they arent. In truth, gun control will actually make things worse, not better. It restricts law abiding citizens from obtaining guns, not criminals. about 200 thousand - 2 million people are saved due to law abiding citizens who own guns. about 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones. Get rid of them. I remember people were freaking out about open carry. Apparently criminals love sitting ducks, if they see someone openly has a gun, they wont fire back. A crazed lunatic fired at people, killed 2. A law abiding citizen owned a gun and shot back, the criminal took off. https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-run-killed-houston-highway-shooting/story?id=64874051 News like this wont go viral because it defeats the agenda MSM is trying to push. |
ChesCaykAug 11, 2019 8:19 PM
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Aug 11, 2019 8:33 PM
#14
Japan is totally right on this case. |
Aug 11, 2019 8:37 PM
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As a dual citizen of both the US and Australia I myself wouldn't want to go back for a visit right now lmao. And that's coming from someone who grew up with murder suicides right down the street and in a place where it wasn't uncommon to find dried up blood stains while walking around. I'd say trump is being a idiot about this, of course it's going to drive down tourism but honestly if foreign citizens end up getting gunned down while visiting he's going to have even more problems to deal with. He needs to think about it logically. Seeing as most people who visit the US think it's all sunshine and rainbows and have literally 0 street smarts [due to being in a peaceful environment all their lives] makes things even more dangerous. A few Australian's I've talked to came for a visit and got held up in their first week since they thought it was a good idea to hitch a ride from a stranger lol. |
Aug 11, 2019 8:39 PM
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Trump travel warnings Germany: "Danger, the prostitutes are overpriced" Ireland: "Danger, you will have your lucky charms stolen" Venezuela: "Danger, they wont give me their oil" New Zealand: "Danger, they have orcs and have not built a wall to keep them out" Japan: "Danger, censored porn and chopsticks are hard to use. Bring your own forks, folks" Canada: "Danger, ask for bacon and they gave me ham. Sad" Uruguay: "Warning, I can't find it on a map. Fake country" |
Aug 11, 2019 8:59 PM
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Maenads said: 149597871 said: Maenads said: Your odds of being gunned down in the United States are still extremely low, just a bit higher than other countries. "The number of gun deaths in Japan totaled six in 2014, compared with 33,599 in the United States" I don't know since when "a bit higher than" means more than 5000 times the amount. Yes, more than half of them are suicides. Yes, the US has almost 3 times larger population and yes, the chances of the average person getting shot are very low. However it isn't something that one should completely ignore. You have chosen a real statistical outlier here, the US rate is 5-10 times higher than most European countries. When you ignore the method used, the difference in homicide rates between US and japan drops significantly. I don't know what that's even supposed to prove, there is still a huge difference. Even if we ignore the guns it is still nowhere near as safe as Japan so it kinda makes sense. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime Crime levels - 4 times more than Japan Opiates use - 6 times more than Japan Murder rate - 26 times more than Japan Rape rate - 27 times more than Japan Guns per 100 residents - 88.8 Ranked 1st. 148 times more than Japan - LOL |
Aug 11, 2019 9:07 PM
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Maenads said: 149597871 said: Maenads said: Your odds of being gunned down in the United States are still extremely low, just a bit higher than other countries. "The number of gun deaths in Japan totaled six in 2014, compared with 33,599 in the United States" I don't know since when "a bit higher than" means more than 5000 times the amount. Yes, more than half of them are suicides. Yes, the US has almost 3 times larger population and yes, the chances of the average person getting shot are very low. However it isn't something that one should completely ignore. You have chosen a real statistical outlier here, the US rate is 5-10 times higher than most European countries. When you ignore the method used, the difference in homicide rates between US and japan drops significantly. The difference drops a lot as in it isn't 6 vs 33,000 anymore. However, Japan had about 350 homicides in their country last year as opposed to about 17,500 homicides in the US. So the difference in homicide rates is still enormous. Its not just homicides either, Japan is extremely low in every crime category you can think of, kidnappings, assaults, theft, every crime category in Japan is amazingly low. The difference is that in Japan, there are no areas that we'd call "hoods." They have poverty of course but they don't have neighborhoods where random people get robbed and shot. You don't have to worry about whether that city is dangerous or not, you don't have to worry that walking into certain neighborhoods could get you robbed and killed, you don't have to worry about walking around the city late at night. In the US, certain cities here like Baltimore and Camden NJ are absolutely infested with crime. Most cities in the US are too dangerous to walk around late at night whereas in most European countries, cities are still quite busy at midnight and you are pretty safe. Basically, if you have common sense, its pretty easy to avoid being a victim of a crime in the US. Its not like there's gangsters at every street corner ready to shoot you. But people from countries with low crime rates might not understand for example that if you want to go to bars or clubs late at night, in most cities, you can't expect to be able to just walk there and back or to be able to take buses safely. You have to take taxis or ubers. I can understand Japan, Canada or Uruguay issuing travel warnings because the US is more dangerous than those countries. But what the fuck Venezuela? You have way more crime than the US does, Venezuela has no right to be issuing travel warnings and acting like they're above our levels of crime. |
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Aug 11, 2019 9:48 PM
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ChesCayk said: news outlets ALWAYS ramp up negative news such as mass shootings. It actually happens a lot less than people believe. Its like how people think cops are gunning down black people even though they arent. In truth, gun control will actually make things worse, not better. It restricts law abiding citizens from obtaining guns, not criminals. about 200 thousand - 2 million people are saved due to law abiding citizens who own guns. about 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones. Get rid of them. I remember people were freaking out about open carry. Apparently criminals love sitting ducks, if they see someone openly has a gun, they wont fire back. A crazed lunatic fired at people, killed 2. A law abiding citizen owned a gun and shot back, the criminal took off. https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-run-killed-houston-highway-shooting/story?id=64874051 News like this wont go viral because it defeats the agenda MSM is trying to push. How zealous. What good is a gun if most the people that have them werent even required to properly be trained in it's use and safety protocals? What good is a bunch of guns if a "good guy with a gun" and a "bad guy with a gun" literally just look like just a bunch of people with guns not a good person and bad person. Who knows who to shoot who? Come on now... you should know better. Care to cite your sources on your stats? |
Aug 11, 2019 9:56 PM
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Sasuga Hoppy said: Most of the time you can tell when lightning is going to occurMaenads said: Your odds of being gunned down in the United States are still extremely low, just a bit higher than other countries. You also have a better chance of being killed by lightning than by a mass shooter. |
Aug 11, 2019 10:17 PM
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Wow hey Trump why not just make things worse ey? Why not try and fix the issue? Nope just do an emotional Reaction like a little child. |
Aug 11, 2019 11:49 PM
#22
Wow, Trump keeps on being a laughingstock. What a surprise. |
Aug 12, 2019 12:17 AM
#23
What an idiot. He keeps on surprising me with his stupidity. I think he can go no lower and then the next day he does just that. Most tourists don't visit the US because of the TSA/crazed police. A guy on my football forum had several machine guns pointed at his 8 yo daughters head because there was a drawing pin stuck to the sole of her show and it set off the machine, a bloody 8 yo child. Retards. |
Aug 12, 2019 1:22 AM
#24
Sometimes I wonder if this guy's mission in life is to become the most hated man in the world. It's like he gets off on being a jerk. |
Aug 12, 2019 1:43 AM
#25
Become a shithole country, get treated as a shithole country. |
Aug 12, 2019 1:52 AM
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Rules for thee but not for me. It's like he's isn't even pretending to not make America look like the world's mafia. |
Aug 12, 2019 4:05 AM
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In an advisory issued Wednesday, Amnesty International said: "Depending on the traveler's gender identity, race, country of origin, ethnic background, or sexual orientation, they may be at higher risk of being targeted with gun violence, and should plan accordingly." To be fair, this is actually good for the environment as passenger jets have a very large carbon footprint. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/04/stayontheground-swedes-turn-to-trains-amid-climate-flight-shame They should feel flight shame for even thinking of traveling here. I wonder what Trump is going to do about Mexico trying to sue the US for the El Paso shootings. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mexico-vows-take-legal-action-against-u-s-wake-deadly-n1039096 |
Aug 12, 2019 5:05 AM
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I knew trump was stupid but HOLY FUCK. |
Aug 12, 2019 6:35 AM
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traed said: ChesCayk said: news outlets ALWAYS ramp up negative news such as mass shootings. It actually happens a lot less than people believe. Its like how people think cops are gunning down black people even though they arent. In truth, gun control will actually make things worse, not better. It restricts law abiding citizens from obtaining guns, not criminals. about 200 thousand - 2 million people are saved due to law abiding citizens who own guns. about 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones. Get rid of them. I remember people were freaking out about open carry. Apparently criminals love sitting ducks, if they see someone openly has a gun, they wont fire back. A crazed lunatic fired at people, killed 2. A law abiding citizen owned a gun and shot back, the criminal took off. https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-run-killed-houston-highway-shooting/story?id=64874051 News like this wont go viral because it defeats the agenda MSM is trying to push. How zealous. What good is a gun if most the people that have them werent even required to properly be trained in it's use and safety protocals? What good is a bunch of guns if a "good guy with a gun" and a "bad guy with a gun" literally just look like just a bunch of people with guns not a good person and bad person. Who knows who to shoot who? Come on now... you should know better. Care to cite your sources on your stats? thats why you get trained on learning to shoot a gun and how to properly use it? A law abiding citizen wont just walk up to people pointing a loaded or unloaded gun at them. DUH The law abiding citizen shot at the shooter, how much more obvious does it have to be? CDC actually made a report about it, apparently I was a bit off, its 300 thousand to 3 million lives are saved. Apparently CDC never really made it public or something. When I searched this, all I found was bias. Steven Crowder (I Know a lot of people dont like him) does site CDC and FBI reportings. I wish he sited them in his videos tho. 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones https://crimeresearch.org/2018/06/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/ so going back and reading this, I guess is a little misleading? So, I know that the definition for Mass Shootings is pretty all over the place. The FBI made that report and dont include gang related shootings as mass shootings. A gun free zone is a place where people cant even have concealed guns. I found a thorough report from the FBI on this but its a PDF https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf Criminals arent suppose to be armed, but still are. Taking guns away from law abiders puts more guns and power in the hands of criminals. As for the topic, other countries can issue out warnings to their citizens that want to come here on vacation or whatever if they so wish to. It is a reality that these crimes happen. Although not as common as people think. I do believe that tensions are rising and getting worse. Somethings gotta give. I dont think it will be an out-right war, but something big will happen. Things are getting worse. (I'm not talking about mass shootings. But more on civil unrest) The media does make it worse. |
ChesCaykAug 12, 2019 6:52 AM
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Aug 12, 2019 10:53 AM
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Kyotosomo said: To be fair these countries are clearly just taking digs at the US considering there's less than a 0.00005% of being shot on any given day (and that's just shot, most reported shootings people don't actually die from it). And that's drastically higher than it actually as as are most danger statistics regarding the US are due to the fact that there are a few shitty areas throwing off the data for the rest of us (cause the few areas in the US that are dangerous, are REALLY dangerous, but there's no reason to even tour these places as a traveler so it's totally irrelevant). Not to mention as long as you're not making incredibly dumb decisions like taking night time strolls the ghetto the US is actually safer than most of these countries (and most of these are some of the most modernized countries in the world, in reality most countries around the world are actually pretty scary for a US citizen to travel to compared to the safety we're offered here). Also the fact Veneuzela is tossing out a warning (every time their dictators fuck over their own people they blame it on us and take any chance they can to slander us) just proves my point it's clearly just to take a jab plus it's hilarious that such a shitty crime heavy country's government where most of its citizens are struggling to even eat has the gaul to insinuate the US is dangerous. If you have time to call out other countries maybe you should be working towards making your country a place where people farming gold in MMOs don't make more than your Doctors because your currency is inflating so fast that pretend money is a better investment than your actual money. What they've done to their people is horrifying. And I'm not saying gun violence isn't a massive issue in violence, it's just laughable (but also gross) other countries using shootings as a chance to take slaps at us considering how much more heavily flawed they are than us (and we're pretty damn flawed). Unless you're some utopia like Singapore/Switzerland where everybody is used to being immortal, living to a thousand years old, and magically getting healed to full health by their hospitals from the future if they do by some chance get hurt; there's really no reason for you to issue travel warnings to your citizens in regards to first world countries like the US. Yeah Venezuela can seriously fuck off with that travel warning. It's US citizens who deserve to be scared of going to their country not the other way around. But I can understand why Japan or Canada might issue one. They are used to much lower levels of gun violence in their home countries. |
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Aug 12, 2019 11:17 AM
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Aug 12, 2019 12:07 PM
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but trump that means less immigration isn't this what you wanted? |
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Aug 12, 2019 7:05 PM
#33
ChesCayk said: traed said: ChesCayk said: news outlets ALWAYS ramp up negative news such as mass shootings. It actually happens a lot less than people believe. Its like how people think cops are gunning down black people even though they arent. In truth, gun control will actually make things worse, not better. It restricts law abiding citizens from obtaining guns, not criminals. about 200 thousand - 2 million people are saved due to law abiding citizens who own guns. about 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones. Get rid of them. I remember people were freaking out about open carry. Apparently criminals love sitting ducks, if they see someone openly has a gun, they wont fire back. A crazed lunatic fired at people, killed 2. A law abiding citizen owned a gun and shot back, the criminal took off. https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-run-killed-houston-highway-shooting/story?id=64874051 News like this wont go viral because it defeats the agenda MSM is trying to push. How zealous. What good is a gun if most the people that have them werent even required to properly be trained in it's use and safety protocals? What good is a bunch of guns if a "good guy with a gun" and a "bad guy with a gun" literally just look like just a bunch of people with guns not a good person and bad person. Who knows who to shoot who? Come on now... you should know better. Care to cite your sources on your stats? thats why you get trained on learning to shoot a gun and how to properly use it? A law abiding citizen wont just walk up to people pointing a loaded or unloaded gun at them. DUH The law abiding citizen shot at the shooter, how much more obvious does it have to be? CDC actually made a report about it, apparently I was a bit off, its 300 thousand to 3 million lives are saved. Apparently CDC never really made it public or something. When I searched this, all I found was bias. Steven Crowder (I Know a lot of people dont like him) does site CDC and FBI reportings. I wish he sited them in his videos tho. 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones https://crimeresearch.org/2018/06/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/ so going back and reading this, I guess is a little misleading? So, I know that the definition for Mass Shootings is pretty all over the place. The FBI made that report and dont include gang related shootings as mass shootings. A gun free zone is a place where people cant even have concealed guns. I found a thorough report from the FBI on this but its a PDF https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf Criminals arent suppose to be armed, but still are. Taking guns away from law abiders puts more guns and power in the hands of criminals. As for the topic, other countries can issue out warnings to their citizens that want to come here on vacation or whatever if they so wish to. It is a reality that these crimes happen. Although not as common as people think. I do believe that tensions are rising and getting worse. Somethings gotta give. I dont think it will be an out-right war, but something big will happen. Things are getting worse. (I'm not talking about mass shootings. But more on civil unrest) The media does make it worse. Requiring people to actually be properly trained to use a gun is part of gun control. Making sure known violent offenders dont have guns legally and thus easily is also part of gun control. A person holding a gun would immediately target other people with guns. You can't tell who is the "bad guy" and "good guy" when a third person with a gun becomes involved. So in other words you don't have the CDC source but just believed the words of another source that didn't give the actual report? I mean you said it wasn't released. Crime Research is pretty biased and ran by a zealot who from what I gather wants to abolish all gun regulations including background checks and waiting periods. So yeah they manipulate data to make it support their cause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/jan/13/dan-patrick/dan-patrick-says-two-mass-shootings-1950-occurred-/ |
Aug 12, 2019 9:42 PM
#34
traed said: ChesCayk said: traed said: ChesCayk said: news outlets ALWAYS ramp up negative news such as mass shootings. It actually happens a lot less than people believe. Its like how people think cops are gunning down black people even though they arent. In truth, gun control will actually make things worse, not better. It restricts law abiding citizens from obtaining guns, not criminals. about 200 thousand - 2 million people are saved due to law abiding citizens who own guns. about 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones. Get rid of them. I remember people were freaking out about open carry. Apparently criminals love sitting ducks, if they see someone openly has a gun, they wont fire back. A crazed lunatic fired at people, killed 2. A law abiding citizen owned a gun and shot back, the criminal took off. https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-run-killed-houston-highway-shooting/story?id=64874051 News like this wont go viral because it defeats the agenda MSM is trying to push. How zealous. What good is a gun if most the people that have them werent even required to properly be trained in it's use and safety protocals? What good is a bunch of guns if a "good guy with a gun" and a "bad guy with a gun" literally just look like just a bunch of people with guns not a good person and bad person. Who knows who to shoot who? Come on now... you should know better. Care to cite your sources on your stats? thats why you get trained on learning to shoot a gun and how to properly use it? A law abiding citizen wont just walk up to people pointing a loaded or unloaded gun at them. DUH The law abiding citizen shot at the shooter, how much more obvious does it have to be? CDC actually made a report about it, apparently I was a bit off, its 300 thousand to 3 million lives are saved. Apparently CDC never really made it public or something. When I searched this, all I found was bias. Steven Crowder (I Know a lot of people dont like him) does site CDC and FBI reportings. I wish he sited them in his videos tho. 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones https://crimeresearch.org/2018/06/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/ so going back and reading this, I guess is a little misleading? So, I know that the definition for Mass Shootings is pretty all over the place. The FBI made that report and dont include gang related shootings as mass shootings. A gun free zone is a place where people cant even have concealed guns. I found a thorough report from the FBI on this but its a PDF https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf Criminals arent suppose to be armed, but still are. Taking guns away from law abiders puts more guns and power in the hands of criminals. As for the topic, other countries can issue out warnings to their citizens that want to come here on vacation or whatever if they so wish to. It is a reality that these crimes happen. Although not as common as people think. I do believe that tensions are rising and getting worse. Somethings gotta give. I dont think it will be an out-right war, but something big will happen. Things are getting worse. (I'm not talking about mass shootings. But more on civil unrest) The media does make it worse. Requiring people to actually be properly trained to use a gun is part of gun control. Making sure known violent offenders dont have guns legally and thus easily is also part of gun control. A person holding a gun would immediately target other people with guns. You can't tell who is the "bad guy" and "good guy" when a third person with a gun becomes involved. So in other words you don't have the CDC source but just believed the words of another source that didn't give the actual report? I mean you said it wasn't released. Crime Research is pretty biased and ran by a zealot who from what I gather wants to abolish all gun regulations including background checks and waiting periods. So yeah they manipulate data to make it support their cause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/jan/13/dan-patrick/dan-patrick-says-two-mass-shootings-1950-occurred-/ To be honest, I think it depends on the gun control that is implemented. From what the crazies say, they want to ban all guns, which will only worsen things. Even having like tests people should take to see if they're still mentally sound or something, I'd be for. I've heard talk about this earlier before the whole banning of all guns. About the CDC report, there were a lot of links where it was talked about but I couldnt find the actual report. Supposedly, it wasnt really released but people still talked about it. Thats a bit weird in my opinion. Thats why I wish Steven would site his sources. He apparently keeps a binder of statistics from the FBI which he is familiar with but doesnt use in debates. I mean, if he wants to be creditable, he should site them. ┐(‘~`;)┌ True, which is why I try not to use extreme bias sites. If I cant determine how bias a site is, I wont use it as a source. I do make mistakes though. I'm starting to question the CDC report. Yeah, I dont think all gun regulations should be abolished. |
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Aug 13, 2019 1:28 PM
#35
british foreign travel advice contains this now too: "Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in the USA. Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places visited by foreigners. You should monitor media reports and remain vigilant at all times." they're tryna make it sound like the threat's linked to iraq/syria, and not just angry white guys with far too easy gun access. |
photophobicAug 14, 2019 1:27 AM
AnimeFreak-San said: is this a male gender issure...human issue...mental illness perhaps? |
Aug 14, 2019 1:01 AM
#36
photophobic said: terrorist isn't a word exclusive for the middle east. anyone can be a terrorist.british foreign travel advice contains this now too: "Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in the USA. Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places visited by foreigners. You should monitor media reports and remain vigilant at all times." they're tryna make it sound like the threat's linked to iraq/syrnia, and not just angry white guys with far too easy gun access. |
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Aug 14, 2019 1:27 AM
#37
hazarddex said: photophobic said: terrorist isn't a word exclusive for the middle east. anyone can be a terrorist.british foreign travel advice contains this now too: "Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in the USA. Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places visited by foreigners. You should monitor media reports and remain vigilant at all times." they're tryna make it sound like the threat's linked to iraq/syria, and not just angry white guys with far too easy gun access. that's obvious. there's several forms of terrorism, and the us is mainly facing domestic terrorism. nonetheless, if you check the foreign advice page, the agenda they're putting forward is: "The main threat comes from individuals who may have been inspired by terrorist groups, including Daesh (formerly referred to as ISIL) and al Qaeda, to carry out so-called ‘lone actor’ attacks targeting public events or places" and "There’s a heightened threat of terrorist attack globally against UK interests and British nationals, from groups or individuals motivated by the conflict in Iraq and Syria. You should be vigilant at this time." |
AnimeFreak-San said: is this a male gender issure...human issue...mental illness perhaps? |
Aug 14, 2019 1:50 AM
#38
photophobic said: hazarddex said: photophobic said: british foreign travel advice contains this now too: "Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in the USA. Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places visited by foreigners. You should monitor media reports and remain vigilant at all times." they're tryna make it sound like the threat's linked to iraq/syria, and not just angry white guys with far too easy gun access. that's obvious. there's several forms of terrorism, and the us is mainly facing domestic terrorism. nonetheless, if you check the foreign advice page, the agenda they're putting forward is: "The main threat comes from individuals who may have been inspired by terrorist groups, including Daesh (formerly referred to as ISIL) and al Qaeda, to carry out so-called ‘lone actor’ attacks targeting public events or places" and "There’s a heightened threat of terrorist attack globally against UK interests and British nationals, from groups or individuals motivated by the conflict in Iraq and Syria. You should be vigilant at this time." so why didn't you post that instead of your previous statement? |
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Aug 14, 2019 2:33 AM
#39
hazarddex said: photophobic said: hazarddex said: photophobic said: terrorist isn't a word exclusive for the middle east. anyone can be a terrorist.british foreign travel advice contains this now too: "Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in the USA. Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places visited by foreigners. You should monitor media reports and remain vigilant at all times." they're tryna make it sound like the threat's linked to iraq/syria, and not just angry white guys with far too easy gun access. that's obvious. there's several forms of terrorism, and the us is mainly facing domestic terrorism. nonetheless, if you check the foreign advice page, the agenda they're putting forward is: "The main threat comes from individuals who may have been inspired by terrorist groups, including Daesh (formerly referred to as ISIL) and al Qaeda, to carry out so-called ‘lone actor’ attacks targeting public events or places" and "There’s a heightened threat of terrorist attack globally against UK interests and British nationals, from groups or individuals motivated by the conflict in Iraq and Syria. You should be vigilant at this time." so why didn't you post that instead of your previous statement? was there really such a great need for it? |
AnimeFreak-San said: is this a male gender issure...human issue...mental illness perhaps? |
Aug 14, 2019 4:03 AM
#40
I typically avoid Trump threads, but I'll just say; What a baby. |
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Aug 14, 2019 9:31 PM
#41
SpamuraiSensei said: so you are pro choice correct?Freedoms have their drawbacks don't they? |
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Aug 15, 2019 10:29 PM
#42
Trump should invade Canada. Why we fought two wars with someone who burnt our White House I don't know. |
Aug 16, 2019 3:37 AM
#43
ChesCayk said: traed said: ChesCayk said: traed said: ChesCayk said: news outlets ALWAYS ramp up negative news such as mass shootings. It actually happens a lot less than people believe. Its like how people think cops are gunning down black people even though they arent. In truth, gun control will actually make things worse, not better. It restricts law abiding citizens from obtaining guns, not criminals. about 200 thousand - 2 million people are saved due to law abiding citizens who own guns. about 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones. Get rid of them. I remember people were freaking out about open carry. Apparently criminals love sitting ducks, if they see someone openly has a gun, they wont fire back. A crazed lunatic fired at people, killed 2. A law abiding citizen owned a gun and shot back, the criminal took off. https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-run-killed-houston-highway-shooting/story?id=64874051 News like this wont go viral because it defeats the agenda MSM is trying to push. How zealous. What good is a gun if most the people that have them werent even required to properly be trained in it's use and safety protocals? What good is a bunch of guns if a "good guy with a gun" and a "bad guy with a gun" literally just look like just a bunch of people with guns not a good person and bad person. Who knows who to shoot who? Come on now... you should know better. Care to cite your sources on your stats? thats why you get trained on learning to shoot a gun and how to properly use it? A law abiding citizen wont just walk up to people pointing a loaded or unloaded gun at them. DUH The law abiding citizen shot at the shooter, how much more obvious does it have to be? CDC actually made a report about it, apparently I was a bit off, its 300 thousand to 3 million lives are saved. Apparently CDC never really made it public or something. When I searched this, all I found was bias. Steven Crowder (I Know a lot of people dont like him) does site CDC and FBI reportings. I wish he sited them in his videos tho. 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones https://crimeresearch.org/2018/06/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/ so going back and reading this, I guess is a little misleading? So, I know that the definition for Mass Shootings is pretty all over the place. The FBI made that report and dont include gang related shootings as mass shootings. A gun free zone is a place where people cant even have concealed guns. I found a thorough report from the FBI on this but its a PDF https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf Criminals arent suppose to be armed, but still are. Taking guns away from law abiders puts more guns and power in the hands of criminals. As for the topic, other countries can issue out warnings to their citizens that want to come here on vacation or whatever if they so wish to. It is a reality that these crimes happen. Although not as common as people think. I do believe that tensions are rising and getting worse. Somethings gotta give. I dont think it will be an out-right war, but something big will happen. Things are getting worse. (I'm not talking about mass shootings. But more on civil unrest) The media does make it worse. Requiring people to actually be properly trained to use a gun is part of gun control. Making sure known violent offenders dont have guns legally and thus easily is also part of gun control. A person holding a gun would immediately target other people with guns. You can't tell who is the "bad guy" and "good guy" when a third person with a gun becomes involved. So in other words you don't have the CDC source but just believed the words of another source that didn't give the actual report? I mean you said it wasn't released. Crime Research is pretty biased and ran by a zealot who from what I gather wants to abolish all gun regulations including background checks and waiting periods. So yeah they manipulate data to make it support their cause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/jan/13/dan-patrick/dan-patrick-says-two-mass-shootings-1950-occurred-/ To be honest, I think it depends on the gun control that is implemented. From what the crazies say, they want to ban all guns, which will only worsen things. Even having like tests people should take to see if they're still mentally sound or something, I'd be for. I've heard talk about this earlier before the whole banning of all guns. About the CDC report, there were a lot of links where it was talked about but I couldnt find the actual report. Supposedly, it wasnt really released but people still talked about it. Thats a bit weird in my opinion. Thats why I wish Steven would site his sources. He apparently keeps a binder of statistics from the FBI which he is familiar with but doesnt use in debates. I mean, if he wants to be creditable, he should site them. ┐(‘~`;)┌ True, which is why I try not to use extreme bias sites. If I cant determine how bias a site is, I wont use it as a source. I do make mistakes though. I'm starting to question the CDC report. Yeah, I dont think all gun regulations should be abolished. I haven't seen any serious legislature or large movement to ban all guns. Sure some people would like that but it's not crazy to want that since it's just idealism but in case of the US with it's massive amounts of guns it's not very practical and realistic to be done in relatively short time. Only gun bans really being seriously discussed is bans of specific models or types of guns that were originally designed as military combat weapons. |
Aug 16, 2019 4:42 PM
#44
traed said: ChesCayk said: traed said: ChesCayk said: traed said: ChesCayk said: news outlets ALWAYS ramp up negative news such as mass shootings. It actually happens a lot less than people believe. Its like how people think cops are gunning down black people even though they arent. In truth, gun control will actually make things worse, not better. It restricts law abiding citizens from obtaining guns, not criminals. about 200 thousand - 2 million people are saved due to law abiding citizens who own guns. about 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones. Get rid of them. I remember people were freaking out about open carry. Apparently criminals love sitting ducks, if they see someone openly has a gun, they wont fire back. A crazed lunatic fired at people, killed 2. A law abiding citizen owned a gun and shot back, the criminal took off. https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-run-killed-houston-highway-shooting/story?id=64874051 News like this wont go viral because it defeats the agenda MSM is trying to push. How zealous. What good is a gun if most the people that have them werent even required to properly be trained in it's use and safety protocals? What good is a bunch of guns if a "good guy with a gun" and a "bad guy with a gun" literally just look like just a bunch of people with guns not a good person and bad person. Who knows who to shoot who? Come on now... you should know better. Care to cite your sources on your stats? thats why you get trained on learning to shoot a gun and how to properly use it? A law abiding citizen wont just walk up to people pointing a loaded or unloaded gun at them. DUH The law abiding citizen shot at the shooter, how much more obvious does it have to be? CDC actually made a report about it, apparently I was a bit off, its 300 thousand to 3 million lives are saved. Apparently CDC never really made it public or something. When I searched this, all I found was bias. Steven Crowder (I Know a lot of people dont like him) does site CDC and FBI reportings. I wish he sited them in his videos tho. 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones https://crimeresearch.org/2018/06/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/ so going back and reading this, I guess is a little misleading? So, I know that the definition for Mass Shootings is pretty all over the place. The FBI made that report and dont include gang related shootings as mass shootings. A gun free zone is a place where people cant even have concealed guns. I found a thorough report from the FBI on this but its a PDF https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf Criminals arent suppose to be armed, but still are. Taking guns away from law abiders puts more guns and power in the hands of criminals. As for the topic, other countries can issue out warnings to their citizens that want to come here on vacation or whatever if they so wish to. It is a reality that these crimes happen. Although not as common as people think. I do believe that tensions are rising and getting worse. Somethings gotta give. I dont think it will be an out-right war, but something big will happen. Things are getting worse. (I'm not talking about mass shootings. But more on civil unrest) The media does make it worse. Requiring people to actually be properly trained to use a gun is part of gun control. Making sure known violent offenders dont have guns legally and thus easily is also part of gun control. A person holding a gun would immediately target other people with guns. You can't tell who is the "bad guy" and "good guy" when a third person with a gun becomes involved. So in other words you don't have the CDC source but just believed the words of another source that didn't give the actual report? I mean you said it wasn't released. Crime Research is pretty biased and ran by a zealot who from what I gather wants to abolish all gun regulations including background checks and waiting periods. So yeah they manipulate data to make it support their cause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/jan/13/dan-patrick/dan-patrick-says-two-mass-shootings-1950-occurred-/ To be honest, I think it depends on the gun control that is implemented. From what the crazies say, they want to ban all guns, which will only worsen things. Even having like tests people should take to see if they're still mentally sound or something, I'd be for. I've heard talk about this earlier before the whole banning of all guns. About the CDC report, there were a lot of links where it was talked about but I couldnt find the actual report. Supposedly, it wasnt really released but people still talked about it. Thats a bit weird in my opinion. Thats why I wish Steven would site his sources. He apparently keeps a binder of statistics from the FBI which he is familiar with but doesnt use in debates. I mean, if he wants to be creditable, he should site them. ┐(‘~`;)┌ True, which is why I try not to use extreme bias sites. If I cant determine how bias a site is, I wont use it as a source. I do make mistakes though. I'm starting to question the CDC report. Yeah, I dont think all gun regulations should be abolished. I haven't seen any serious legislature or large movement to ban all guns. Sure some people would like that but it's not crazy to want that since it's just idealism but in case of the US with it's massive amounts of guns it's not very practical and realistic to be done in relatively short time. Only gun bans really being seriously discussed is bans of specific models or types of guns that were originally designed as military combat weapons. then you're blind. There are a lot of people that dont understand what politicians want to ban. There are people that do want to ban all guns. |
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Aug 16, 2019 4:47 PM
#45
ChesCayk said: traed said: ChesCayk said: traed said: ChesCayk said: traed said: ChesCayk said: news outlets ALWAYS ramp up negative news such as mass shootings. It actually happens a lot less than people believe. Its like how people think cops are gunning down black people even though they arent. In truth, gun control will actually make things worse, not better. It restricts law abiding citizens from obtaining guns, not criminals. about 200 thousand - 2 million people are saved due to law abiding citizens who own guns. about 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones. Get rid of them. I remember people were freaking out about open carry. Apparently criminals love sitting ducks, if they see someone openly has a gun, they wont fire back. A crazed lunatic fired at people, killed 2. A law abiding citizen owned a gun and shot back, the criminal took off. https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-run-killed-houston-highway-shooting/story?id=64874051 News like this wont go viral because it defeats the agenda MSM is trying to push. How zealous. What good is a gun if most the people that have them werent even required to properly be trained in it's use and safety protocals? What good is a bunch of guns if a "good guy with a gun" and a "bad guy with a gun" literally just look like just a bunch of people with guns not a good person and bad person. Who knows who to shoot who? Come on now... you should know better. Care to cite your sources on your stats? thats why you get trained on learning to shoot a gun and how to properly use it? A law abiding citizen wont just walk up to people pointing a loaded or unloaded gun at them. DUH The law abiding citizen shot at the shooter, how much more obvious does it have to be? CDC actually made a report about it, apparently I was a bit off, its 300 thousand to 3 million lives are saved. Apparently CDC never really made it public or something. When I searched this, all I found was bias. Steven Crowder (I Know a lot of people dont like him) does site CDC and FBI reportings. I wish he sited them in his videos tho. 94% of shootings take place in gun free zones https://crimeresearch.org/2018/06/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/ so going back and reading this, I guess is a little misleading? So, I know that the definition for Mass Shootings is pretty all over the place. The FBI made that report and dont include gang related shootings as mass shootings. A gun free zone is a place where people cant even have concealed guns. I found a thorough report from the FBI on this but its a PDF https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf Criminals arent suppose to be armed, but still are. Taking guns away from law abiders puts more guns and power in the hands of criminals. As for the topic, other countries can issue out warnings to their citizens that want to come here on vacation or whatever if they so wish to. It is a reality that these crimes happen. Although not as common as people think. I do believe that tensions are rising and getting worse. Somethings gotta give. I dont think it will be an out-right war, but something big will happen. Things are getting worse. (I'm not talking about mass shootings. But more on civil unrest) The media does make it worse. Requiring people to actually be properly trained to use a gun is part of gun control. Making sure known violent offenders dont have guns legally and thus easily is also part of gun control. A person holding a gun would immediately target other people with guns. You can't tell who is the "bad guy" and "good guy" when a third person with a gun becomes involved. So in other words you don't have the CDC source but just believed the words of another source that didn't give the actual report? I mean you said it wasn't released. Crime Research is pretty biased and ran by a zealot who from what I gather wants to abolish all gun regulations including background checks and waiting periods. So yeah they manipulate data to make it support their cause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/jan/13/dan-patrick/dan-patrick-says-two-mass-shootings-1950-occurred-/ To be honest, I think it depends on the gun control that is implemented. From what the crazies say, they want to ban all guns, which will only worsen things. Even having like tests people should take to see if they're still mentally sound or something, I'd be for. I've heard talk about this earlier before the whole banning of all guns. About the CDC report, there were a lot of links where it was talked about but I couldnt find the actual report. Supposedly, it wasnt really released but people still talked about it. Thats a bit weird in my opinion. Thats why I wish Steven would site his sources. He apparently keeps a binder of statistics from the FBI which he is familiar with but doesnt use in debates. I mean, if he wants to be creditable, he should site them. ┐(‘~`;)┌ True, which is why I try not to use extreme bias sites. If I cant determine how bias a site is, I wont use it as a source. I do make mistakes though. I'm starting to question the CDC report. Yeah, I dont think all gun regulations should be abolished. I haven't seen any serious legislature or large movement to ban all guns. Sure some people would like that but it's not crazy to want that since it's just idealism but in case of the US with it's massive amounts of guns it's not very practical and realistic to be done in relatively short time. Only gun bans really being seriously discussed is bans of specific models or types of guns that were originally designed as military combat weapons. then you're blind. There are a lot of people that dont understand what politicians want to ban. There are people that do want to ban all guns. Can you name one legislature that was to ban all guns in the US that actually had a decent amount of support ? |
Aug 18, 2019 1:59 AM
#46
Actually I feel like they're copying Trump by even saying something like that. As if people are going to be prevented from traveling. YEAH RIGHT. |
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Aug 19, 2019 2:29 PM
#47
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