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Aug 10, 10:03 AM

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Zaugr said:
And that opening! Damn is it growing on me a lot--it might just be even more positive and upbeat than the first. And that ED I definitely prefer, even if it's from Tao's fake AI Angela.
I actually agree about the opening really growing. It was such a jarring transition from the first opening (easily one of the best I have seen) that I was disappointed—with the song specifically. Now that I have had more time with it I can pick out a lot more of what is happening but its production is to blame as it is muddy in those spots I had issues with.

The ending song is definitely better than the first ending.
 
Aug 10, 11:06 AM

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Angela is aware of possible clues to stalker, with growing threats of destroying her apartment. That guy doesn't feel right.

C&T finds random background band to join them, luckily but rarely in reality; and comes across Ms. Flora, a former renowned singer discovered by Gus and inspired Carole in music.

Can we have a brief moment of appreciation for the connections Watanabe deployed here? Episodes 15-16 feature 2 seniors in the music industry, Desmond (CV: Kouichi Yamaderashi) and Flora (CV: Megumi Hayashibara), who share the same CVs as leads (Spike Spiegel, Faye Valentine) of Cowboy Bebop (Japanese), i.e. Watanabe's legendary piece of art in 1998.
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Aug 10, 1:54 PM

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Damn it, I knew that Aaron dude was another creep... man, I just hope things don't become too messed up for Angela regarding the stalker issue.

Well, despite all the coincidences that happened in one single episode, I have to say I really liked it in the end.

Flora as a character was a pretty interesting one if I'm honest. So she was the person Gus was referring to in ep. 12 during that talk with Carole, uh? Nice foreshadowing.
That said, I really hope she sticks around since her relationship with Gus was and is quite endearing to watch.
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Aug 10, 5:02 PM

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Roddy informed Carole & Tuesday that they are in number fifty-three, Gus told them that he got an space in an event named South by Southwest, Carole and Tuesday got a guitarist, a bass player and a drummer. Angela encountered a joke/threat arriving home (could be Aaron). Carole, Tuesday and Gus encountered with a singer named Flora, Gus took her to a restaurant where he told Carole and Tuesday that he used to be his producer from the beginning but she left him after a production company took her, eventually she was left alone and depressed, so, with no home, she stayed with Carole and Tuesday (Carole confessed her that she really admires her). The next day they couldn’t find Flora, Gus found her in the fountain where she left him, they assisted to the event (South by Southwest) where Carole & Tuesday performed a song from her, regaining some courage.

I feel like the show is having episodes with no relevance for the story (mini stories); and that doesn’t make every episode boring, but the overall story is getting kind of disappointing.
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Aug 10, 6:26 PM

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Carole & Tuesday has really level-up with the addition of support band member of a drummer, bassist and an electric guitarist! oh how convenient timing!
And it helped bring Flora her spirits up!
5/5.
 
Aug 10, 8:37 PM

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Flora is definitely Whitney Houston and she's lucky Gus ain't no Bobby Brown. They obviously have feelings for each other. Gust moved on, married, divorced and met her again. Perhaps, this time around, they can be more honest with their feelings with each other. Gus is probably my most favorite male character in the series. He's unashamed being who he is and I like that. He used the girls' hard-earned money on horse races thinking it would increase their funds, introduce them to shady, crazy producers and more. Yet, compared to the other characters, he's the realest one.
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Aug 10, 11:42 PM

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thehund said:
Mayuka said:
easily the best episode in the series so far...wow!



fully agreed 100% they should have gotten seiyuu like saori or minori chihara who actually sing so they can do the songs too. they literally had aoi shouta as that minor character and he didn't get to sing.
I am in the mind set the show should've had an english dub first, so the songs would match better.
I know this puts me in the minority, but it is what it is.
i am fine with that too as long as there's more emotion in the singers.

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Aug 11, 1:57 AM

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Low-key Whitney Houston appeared! OO:
This was a really nice episode. ;o;;
Really good music in this episode though!

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Aug 11, 7:29 PM

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I liked how they basically found a band the same way they found each other. Just randomly on/under a bridge somewhere!

Also, can we stop for a moment and appreciate that South by Southwest is on Mars now? Sorry, Austin.
 
Aug 12, 4:13 AM

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god they sound so good with a backing band, much more bounce and vibrance to the sound.

 
Aug 12, 3:11 PM

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thehund said:
Mayuka said:
easily the best episode in the series so far...wow!



fully agreed 100% they should have gotten seiyuu like saori or minori chihara who actually sing so they can do the songs too. they literally had aoi shouta as that minor character and he didn't get to sing.
I am in the mind set the show should've had an english dub first, so the songs would match better.
I know this puts me in the minority, but it is what it is.

yeah, I mean, they already went the unorthodox route by premiering with English singers. It was a step in the right direction, but they might as well have gone the whole way. Watanabe shows almost always gel better with an English dub, anyway. His shows are too Western in vibe.



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Aug 12, 6:19 PM

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That was a pretty good episode. The way they referred to as people to be used tho. They found them so conveniently too.
 
Aug 12, 6:51 PM

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Ok, I've officially had enough of this anime, I'm dropping it. It's not bad by any means, it's just... boring. I loved the first few episodes, I liked the music and the chemistry between the girls, but for a while now I've had to almost force myself to watch it. The plot goes nowhere, it almost feels like it's all filler. If at least they focused on the MCs, developed their relashionship, gave them some slice of life moments, some off-time activities, then it'd be bearable. But all we keep getting are new characters every episode and a thousand plot hooks that never develop.
Here are some: Tuesday's mother and her consultant, Tuesday being abducted, the journalist following Tuesday, Cybelle and Tuesday, Carole's dad, Roddy's actual job, the blond guy who died, the girls' relationship with Angela, Tao's relashionship with Angela, the guy who invested in Angela, life on Mars, colonization of Mars, Earth and Mar's relationship, why so many refugees from earth?, etc.

The problem is probably with me though. I started watching this expecting it to be a coming of age story featuring music, something lighthearted and heartwarming, kind of like Hinamatsuri. But they're going for a slow, drama-heavy story, with an over-arching plot and themes of drug abuse, politics, war and xenophobia (for whatever reason), which I don't think suits the show's tone and characters at all.

I give it an 8 because, even though I personally don't like the direction the show is taking, I still think there's a lot to like here, especially if you're more forgiving with pacing and plot or if you're marathoning it. Also, if the show received an amazing, satisfying ending (which they've been alluding to at the beginning of each episode), it might be worth going through these boring middle episodes. Only the future will tell.
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Aug 13, 9:08 AM

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Looks that Angela have problem with stalker
Nice episode with Flora in centre,but I've hope that in next ep would be more action
 
Aug 13, 9:42 PM

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Angela's assistant has to be the stalker, unless he's just a red herring.
 
Aug 17, 6:47 PM

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definitely like this episode with flora more than i liked the episode with desmond, and the songs she had are much better honestly.
wonder how we're gonna sort out angela's stalker here though.
 
Aug 18, 12:55 AM

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nice to see some light on random artists we may never know or see in the show
 
Aug 18, 2:29 AM

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I see a bit of a theme here. Desmond and this episode felt rushed and rather one off. Both have their air about them of being what should be more stretched out, being introduced and finished far too fast. That said, I literally watch this anime for Gus so to have a Gus episode is appreciated even if I felt it was too fast paced. I thought it was set up good but the whole "we need to find Flora" and going to their initial farewell spot and the whole "I missed you this whole time" and the picture perfect run to finish it off felt so cheesy and predictable and like with Desmond, it didn't get me invested!! I was only invested insofar as I loved seeing a new side of Gus.

That said, Flora represents something the girls could become. Gus turned down the industry taking control of Carole and Tuesday when he let Flora go off on her own, I bet that has something to do with his quick rejection towards the industry lady. In fact, it's cool to see Gus through two lenses. Ever since he was young with his "YOU NEED ME!" we saw he always had that intense go getter attitude, but for Flora he was more so a manager as a lover, he had feelings for her and he wanted to make her go far. For her music and probably for her herself. Meanwhile, with Carole and Tuesday the music that has so much soul he wants it to go far is there, but more than that it's not as a lover but as a father figure. It's great.

Gus overall is super interesting to me. He is worldly. His relationship with his ex-wife being somber but soft and friendly, and now his relationship with Flora show that he's a learned man. He's been through a lot. And intriguingly, the guy who has a grip of steal and a tenacious spirit is really good at letting stories resolve. He was okay letting both those relationships fade even if he's not perfectly over them. In fact, his "I can't go find her, I don't have the right" hit me hard because this is Gus we're talking about. Mr. shove his face into Carole & Tuesday's door and nearly force them to work with him. His spirit was gone, he felt true guilt for letting Flora go, as Flora felt guilt for leaving him.

It's also been slowly pushing the scary stalker plotline for Angela. Is it Katie?! Is it her new manager?! Is it Cybelle?! Is it mama(lol)?! Is it someone we don't know?!?!?! I hope Angela doesn't fall into the Flora hole of not being able to trust anyone.
 
Aug 19, 7:31 AM

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I'm not crying, you're crying :'( Damn, one of my favorite episode, both for characters development and music
 
Aug 19, 8:04 AM

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Have to say this is easily my #1 C&T episode by far, I was very emotional at the end of the episode, the whole thing was simply too beautiful. Flora's story, although not the most original one out there, is actually one of the most realistic one in the music biz. Many musical artists simply fall into the abyss, such as Whitney Houston who was the one being tributed here, and Chester Bennington who was the lead singer of my favorite band, Linkin Park.

I really like how Watanabe tries to portray all these things in anime format, I don't think there's another anime like this out there. Most shows in the same genre are simply too dreamy to be true. C&T is literally shoving the reality pie into the viewer's face here.

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Looking at the current ratings I have a strong inclination that this is going to be another underappreciated anime. That is too bad. Hopefully the ratings shoot back up again after the world wide release.


I hope when the English dub comes out, the rating will get better. After all, this is the show that should've received the same treatment as Space Dandy did - Japanese and English dubs being released at the same time... somehow C&T didn't, and yes, it should be obvious that the English dub will fit so much better than the Japanese dub does (no offense to the great Jap dub, but this show is too western oriented).

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Also, hang on, the stalker isn't Cybelle? Well that's kind of disappointing, story-wise, because we know literally nothing about the new manager guy who supposedly is the stalker. Angela's whole subplot has been kind of a mess to be honest. Nothing seems to be sticking emotionally because we haven't got to spend enough time with her. As much as I love meeting all this new and interesting characters, maybe the time could've been better spent fleshing out Angela's story. C&T are doing okay for right now, so could we get a few episodes solely focused on Angela please?


I think it's like the producers are still littering her subplot in tiny pieces around the episodes, we are getting slow but gradual reveals on the stalker thing, and it should be expected for someone as successful as Angela to be exposed to the dark side of the music biz (like how Flora succumbed to). Okay maybe the pacing's not to your liking, but I am sure we will get down to business eventually with the subplot.


 
Aug 22, 1:42 AM

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A little too much coincidences happened, but then again realistic plot is never the focus of this anime. Music alone can carry this show, a very good song at the end ...
 
Aug 22, 7:53 AM
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Ok, I've officially had enough of this anime, I'm dropping it. It's not bad by any means, it's just... boring. I loved the first few episodes, I liked the music and the chemistry between the girls, but for a while now I've had to almost force myself to watch it. The plot goes nowhere, it almost feels like it's all filler. If at least they focused on the MCs, developed their relashionship, gave them some slice of life moments, some off-time activities, then it'd be bearable. But all we keep getting are new characters every episode and a thousand plot hooks that never develop.
Here are some: Tuesday's mother and her consultant, Tuesday being abducted, the journalist following Tuesday, Cybelle and Tuesday, Carole's dad, Roddy's actual job, the blond guy who died, the girls' relationship with Angela, Tao's relashionship with Angela, the guy who invested in Angela, life on Mars, colonization of Mars, Earth and Mar's relationship, why so many refugees from earth?, etc.

The problem is probably with me though. I started watching this expecting it to be a coming of age story featuring music, something lighthearted and heartwarming, kind of like Hinamatsuri. But they're going for a slow, drama-heavy story, with an over-arching plot and themes of drug abuse, politics, war and xenophobia (for whatever reason), which I don't think suits the show's tone and characters at all.

I give it an 8 because, even though I personally don't like the direction the show is taking, I still think there's a lot to like here, especially if you're more forgiving with pacing and plot or if you're marathoning it. Also, if the show received an amazing, satisfying ending (which they've been alluding to at the beginning of each episode), it might be worth going through these boring middle episodes. Only the future will tell.


I'm kind in the same spot. And we all know that "whatever reason" behind this show, afterall this is being produced by Netflix. The show it's mainly targeted to US audiences by featuring these themes, and they're clearly building some paralelism between *certain US current figure* and Valerie. We never cared about politics in this show, we never cared about Tuesday's mom; I was in this for the music which is being pretty good overall.

But afterall, it's the kind of thing that you can expect from *Netflix* nowadays.
 
Aug 27, 4:29 PM

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man.. My thoughts and feeling about this show are currently all over the place. Last episode I felt like the show definitely lost it's edge and got a little boring. Now this episode came around the corner and absolutely flashed me. Beautiful episode, beautiful songs. And this ending song is just mesmerizing
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Sep 5, 2:14 PM

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Great episode, music was fucking great, Gus has a girrrrrrrl
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Sep 9, 12:08 PM
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These last few episodes have been amazing, and it ain't stopping! It's really cool seeing their work paying off and getting to play for real. The guys they randomly picked off the streets weren't too bad either haha.
Nice seeing Gus getting some love too~
 
Oct 30, 4:00 PM

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Much better than the last episode. I feel bad for Flora. The music industry makes you depressive. By the way, Tuesday's mom did not appear in this episode.

Finally, we have more of Gus' backstory.

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