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Aug 7, 8:07 PM
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Jaces_Sanctum said:
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the studio is trying to make up for the fact that the first six main chapters haven't been animated by at least showing something, although the reason why those haven't been animated and is that the first five were hot garbage and chapter six production has been dragging its feet.

That doesn't really excuse its lack of coherence.


It's coherent for people who play the game, which is the main target audience. The game and Fate series are huge so they can make it by mostly pandering to the fans.
 
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Jaces_Sanctum said:
Aure0lin said:
the studio is trying to make up for the fact that the first six main chapters haven't been animated by at least showing something, although the reason why those haven't been animated and is that the first five were hot garbage and chapter six production has been dragging its feet.

That doesn't really excuse its lack of coherence.
they're assuming u already know the context behind the scenes since it did originally air within the game itself. newcomer-unfriendly =/= incoherent
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Jaces_Sanctum said:
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the studio is trying to make up for the fact that the first six main chapters haven't been animated by at least showing something, although the reason why those haven't been animated and is that the first five were hot garbage and chapter six production has been dragging its feet.

That doesn't really excuse its lack of coherence.


You realize that this ep is about two specific characters right?
It isnt there to explain the plot.

The prologue ova explains it just fine.


Jfc, it is as if people havent heard of character driven series or eps.
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ssjokg said:
Jaces_Sanctum said:

That doesn't really excuse its lack of coherence.


You realize that this ep is about two specific characters right?
It isnt there to explain the plot.

The prologue ova explains it just fine.

Oh, I do understand that, and it does a fine job of it, but the rest isn't great.
 
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Jaces_Sanctum said:
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You realize that this ep is about two specific characters right?
It isnt there to explain the plot.

The prologue ova explains it just fine.

Oh, I do understand that, and it does a fine job of it, but the rest isn't great.


That is a personal issue.
Not liking it doesn't make it a mess.
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Romani and Mash watching a Sherlock movie, nice touch

The montage of all the singularities was cool, and that 1 second of Pepe screen time was blessed. Other than that tho, it was ok I guess.

Also is it just me or is there some serious sameface syndrome going on




 
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Romani and Mash watching a Sherlock movie, nice touch

The montage of all the singularities was cool, and that 1 second of Pepe screen time was blessed. Other than that tho, it was ok I guess.

Also is it just me or is there some serious sameface syndrome going on


Takeuchi since he first drew for Nasu's stories.He may update his designs but the faces will always be the same 3.
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Jaces_Sanctum said:
Aure0lin said:
the studio is trying to make up for the fact that the first six main chapters haven't been animated by at least showing something, although the reason why those haven't been animated and is that the first five were hot garbage and chapter six production has been dragging its feet.

That doesn't really excuse its lack of coherence.


like others said, it is perfectly coherent if you know what you´re looking at. This show was made specifically for those who played the game, not for people blindly going into it. It does a perfect job as far as re-introducing Mashu and Romani goes, and part of that is reminding us of the journey that Mashu went through
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How is this related to First Order?

its a sequel to it

First Order is the prologue, Babylonia is chapter 7 of the same story

chapters(singularities) 1-5 aren't being adapted into anime, but chapter 6 will be adapted as movies


Thanks for the explanation!

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ltspfan said:
Shayon said:

its a sequel to it

First Order is the prologue, Babylonia is chapter 7 of the same story

chapters(singularities) 1-5 aren't being adapted into anime, but chapter 6 will be adapted as movies


Thanks for the explanation!


But most of what they show in this episode is stuff that chronologically happens before first order, then quick snippets of the other chapters/singularities that take place after first order.
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Romani taking the path of Emiya

Mash looks like a saved Sakura
 
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was okay, the characters are a bit dull though - miss the great masters from Fate/Zero

pretty annoying that they don''t adapt the other singularities, especially now they showed us the servants - I'm watching this for the awesome servants!!!! Can't wait for Babylonia and Camelot though
 
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Shayon said:
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the rest was just meh up until they suddenly made it into a disjointed montage with random bits of dialogue and things playing on screen, causing the episode to spiral into a nonsensical mess.

that montage was for singularities(story chapters) 1-6, they are skipping those and adapting singularity 7

singularity 6 will be adapted as movies after Babylonia, but the rest is complete trash and they're not getting anime

the montage is meant to show that Mash and her master went through those 6 journeys together before arriving at this point, Mash met various servants and people and learned dumb quotes from them or whatever, she changed and became more human over time


thank you very much, that made things much clearer
 
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It is first seasson xD. Good graphic and vfx
 
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The feels this episode.. I loved the last portion so much.. Drake, Nightingale, Nero, Jeanne, Bedivere, Arash, Touta..Got me really emotional remembering all our journeys.. It was great to get a glimpse of everyone and I really wish we could go back and animate those chapters. Oh well I'm stoked for Babylonia if this is the quality we can expect, it was amazing!


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and then the rest was just meh up until they suddenly made it into a disjointed montage with random bits of dialogue and things playing on screen, causing the episode to spiral into a nonsensical mess.
the studio is trying to make up for the fact that the first six main chapters haven't been animated by at least showing something, although the reason why those haven't been animated and is that the first five were hot garbage and chapter six production has been dragging its feet.
They are not, but sure believe what you hear. Only the 3rd chapter is not good enough (Septem, still has it's nice moments though), the rest are decent to good IMO at least, and the characters keep getting expanded upon in the game and respective mangas.
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Aure0lin said:
the studio is trying to make up for the fact that the first six main chapters haven't been animated by at least showing something, although the reason why those haven't been animated and is that the first five were hot garbage and chapter six production has been dragging its feet.
They are not, but sure believe what you hear. Only the 3rd chapter is not good enough (Septem, still has it's nice moments though), the rest are decent to good IMO at least, and the characters keep getting expanded upon in the game and respective mangas.
i dunno, i actually play the game and have read through the cutscenes except america which i just skipped because i knew what to expect by that point, only read last few singularities cuz i heard nasu wrote them and those were worth it.
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Leo said:
This was surprisingly good. Haven't played the game since I don't live in the US or Japan :( It was nice seeing Mashu's backstory and Dr. Romani. It was also nice seeing all those other servants like Ruler.


If you're on Android, use QooApp or apk. If you're on iOS, there's a way too (can refer to r/grandorder and any major FGO group)
I've been doing that (QooApp) for both JP & NA versions up to this day.

Or just simply watching First Order anime, and read the VN parts on YouTube (or other places)

Thank you! :)[/quote]
i mean unless you're in europe
the austrlian palystore and most asian playstore already have the game .-.
anyways
 
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just finished watching from [hs] and man! that last part was glorious! seeing all characters!
Takahashi Rie is now really big time! lolz
5/5.
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ROMANIII!! I love him T_T
And woah... Mashu is so badass at the beginning (kinda hope she's also like that in the game)
*whispers* is that the lostbelt masters?
As an NA FGO player, seeing all those singularity montage is like seeing all of my old friends that have inspired me and making me the way I am now. (Also all of my efforts I put in the game lol)
The flow of the story and dialogue is pretty nice, also the art is gorgeous!
Looking forward to October!!
 
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Does anyone else feel irritated when people that are clearly players call Mash a badass when she didnt do shit?

I mean here in this ep.
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kinda irritating when mary sues get praised in general
 
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kinda irritating when mary sues get praised in general


Kinda irritating when you use words you dont understand.
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ssjokg said:
virde said:
kinda irritating when mary sues get praised in general


Kinda irritating when you use words you dont understand.
feel free to list a character flaw
 
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virde said:
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Kinda irritating when you use words you dont understand.
feel free to list a character flaw

Clueless about the real world, low self esteem, too pure white as a character, and unlike her Heroic Spirit she isnt that powerful.





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ssjokg said:
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feel free to list a character flaw

Clueless about the real world, low self esteem, too pure white as a character,
being 2pure4life isnt a genuine character flaw but a trait employed to make her artificially endearing
and unlike her Heroic Spirit she isnt that powerful.
not sure what her power level has to do with her character


 
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virde said:
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Clueless about the real world, low self esteem, too pure white as a character,
being 2pure4life isnt a genuine character flaw but a trait employed to make her artificially endearing
and unlike her Heroic Spirit she isnt that powerful.
not sure what her power level has to do with her character



It is a flaw when she sees everything in positive way.When they tell you that you have 8 more years to live and you just accept it it is a flaw. She isnt pure because she grew up yo be that.She was created to be that way and this is an issue. It isnt endearing to see someone accept a shitty fate.
And may sues ARE supposed to be strong as well.
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It is a flaw when she sees everything in positive way.When they tell you that you have 8 more years to live and you just accept it it is a flaw.
Neither of which impact the narrative in any meaningful way and they don't compromise her competence at all. It's on the same level as Saber Alter liking junk food. They're just personality traits

She isnt pure because she grew up yo be that.She was created to be that way and this is an issue.
It's a halfassed attempt to make chaldea seem a little morally grey. The only bearing it has on mashu as a character is her gaining some sympathy points from the audience, furthering her function as a mary sue
It isnt endearing to see someone accept a shitty fate.
again, sympathy points and not a genuine character flaw

And may sues ARE supposed to be strong as well.
she is strong, she's a pseudo servant capable of blocking essentially every attack through power of friendship and constantly gets support from other one dimensional characters
 
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It is a flaw when she sees everything in positive way.When they tell you that you have 8 more years to live and you just accept it it is a flaw.
Neither of which impact the narrative in any meaningful way and they don't compromise her competence at all. It's on the same level as Saber Alter liking junk food. They're just personality traits

She isnt pure because she grew up yo be that.She was created to be that way and this is an issue.
It's a halfassed attempt to make chaldea seem a little morally grey. The only bearing it has on mashu as a character is her gaining some sympathy points from the audience, furthering her function as a mary sue
It isnt endearing to see someone accept a shitty fate.
again, sympathy points and not a genuine character flaw

And may sues ARE supposed to be strong as well.
she is strong, she's a pseudo servant capable of blocking essentially every attack through power of friendship and constantly gets support from other one dimensional characters


So basictaly "these arent the flaws I want so this character is bad".

You can literally turn any trait into sympathy points you know.
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So basictaly "these arent the flaws I want so this character is bad".
No, I'm saying they aren't character flaws if they don't have any tangible impact on the narrative, none of the things you listed work against her at any point in the story and serve more as character trivia than any actual issue.
 
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virde said:
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Kinda irritating when you use words you dont understand.
feel free to list a character flaw
mash is just a run of the mill mobile game mc, being a bland protagonist doesn't make you a sue
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virde said:
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So basictaly "these arent the flaws I want so this character is bad".
No, I'm saying they aren't character flaws if they don't have any tangible impact on the narrative, none of the things you listed work against her at any point in the story and serve more as character trivia than any actual issue.
How about the fact that if she was less pure and more secure about her powers singularities 1-6 would be a lot fucking easier?

Whether or not something seems like a big issue to you is your problem.
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virde said:
kinda irritating when mary sues get praised in general

idk if i agree with her being mary sue, but she is a boring cardboard along with her self-insert master

seeing Ritsuka animated and acting as if he's a real character is kinda amusing
 
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No, I'm saying they aren't character flaws if they don't have any tangible impact on the narrative, none of the things you listed work against her at any point in the story and serve more as character trivia than any actual issue.
How about the fact that if she was less pure and more secure about her powers singularities 1-6 would be a lot fucking easier?
"Mary sue" is a term originating from star trek fanfiction and is named after the character that gets thrown into a cell, escapes, cures the illness her companions are suffering from before succumbing to it herself. Would you argue that the character that actually started the term isn't actually a mary sue because she would have an easier time if she didn't get thrown into a cell? Mary sues and general hardship are not mutually exclusive. Quite ironic you'd say I don't understand the term when you are ignorant to both its origins and obvious parallels to mashu

Whether or not something seems like a big issue to you is your problem
It's not problem regarding scale, it's a problem with your understanding of the term itself. Mashu doesn't actually lose anything in the story at any point due to her own incompetence, traits you're trying to portray as a flaw are only superficial aspects of her character designed to elicit sympathy from the audience, much like the original mary sue being a half vulcan or dying from the illness after saving everyone or whatever.

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mash is just a run of the mill mobile game mc, being a bland protagonist doesn't make you a sue

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idk if i agree with her being mary sue, but she is a boring cardboard along with her self-insert master
Can you articulate why? I'm wouldn't mind being wrong about her
 
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virde said:
ssjokg said:
How about the fact that if she was less pure and more secure about her powers singularities 1-6 would be a lot fucking easier?
"Mary sue" is a term originating from star trek fanfiction and is named after the character that gets thrown into a cell, escapes, cures the illness her companions are suffering from before succumbing to it herself. Would you argue that the character that actually started the term isn't actually a mary sue because she would have an easier time if she didn't get thrown into a cell? Mary sues and general hardship are not mutually exclusive. Quite ironic you'd say I don't understand the term when you are ignorant to both its origins and obvious parallels to mashu

Whether or not something seems like a big issue to you is your problem
It's not problem regarding scale, it's a problem with your understanding of the term itself. Mashu doesn't actually lose anything in the story at any point due to her own incompetence, traits you're trying to portray as a flaw are only superficial aspects of her character designed to elicit sympathy from the audience, much like the original mary sue being a half vulcan or dying from the illness after saving everyone or whatever.

Aure0lin said:
mash is just a run of the mill mobile game mc, being a bland protagonist doesn't make you a sue

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idk if i agree with her being mary sue, but she is a boring cardboard along with her self-insert master
Can you articulate why? I'm wouldn't mind being wrong about her


Here is a question.

What does Rin,the poor orphan that lost her parents in the previous war, lose in FSN?What does Saber, who failed in the one thing she had to do and heavily blames herself, lose?What do countless other -good- characters with a sad past lose at any point of their story?

It is good and all to use a tv tropes to try and force your ideas on what is and isnt x type of character but better try not to force it on pretty much any character.

Mash doesnt lose anything important, except you know
and she doesnt magically fix anything for the rest so how exactly does that make her a Mary Sue?
Every character is made to draw out sympathy from the audience.Even freaking Kotomine Kirei's character does that.

Mashu isnt one of the good characters of Type Moon but she isnt a mary sue or other easily thrown out terms.
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virde said:
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idk if i agree with her being mary sue, but she is a boring cardboard along with her self-insert master
Can you articulate why? I'm wouldn't mind being wrong about her

there are different interpretations of mary sue, and Mash does have an alarming number of the traits, which is why I'm somewhat neutral in this matter

while I understand your side of the argument, Mash isn't nearly "perfect" enough for me to consider her one. she doesn't have that much strength or talent compared to other servants and doesn't take away the spotlight from them to offer magical solutions to most problems, and she's not really admired or celebrated by most of the other characters
 
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Here is a question.

What does Rin,the poor orphan that lost her parents in the previous war, lose in FSN?
She fucks up her servant summoning in the first 5 minutes of the game due to her clumsiness, wasted a command seal, lost her life multiple times due to her personality's limitations, lost her servant due to lacking an understanding of his personality

What does Saber, who failed in the one thing she had to do and heavily blames herself, lose?What do countless other -good- characters with a sad past lose at any point of their story?
Her recklessnes leads to her own and shirou's death multiple times and her mindset is completely rejected multiple times.
This is quite embarrassing for somebody that's supposedly read the VN

It is good and all to use a tv tropes to try and force your ideas on what is and isnt x type of character but better try not to force it on pretty much any character.
The fanfiction is universally regarded as the origin of the term, but sure dismiss that. She's a beautiful docile kouhai that kickstarted this era of demiservant cancer, giving her strength to compete with beings much higher on the food chain and a power of friendship-tier NP. She makes no remarkable errors and is freed
from any of the consequences her noble actions do bring her. Textbook mary sue.


Mash doesnt lose anything important, except you know


and she doesnt magically fix anything
Her NP saves protag from excaliblasts and ars almadel, defuses the situation with lancelot which pushes him to help her and probably countless other scenarios. You're taking it too literally anyways, I said Parallels


Every character is made to draw out sympathy from the audience.Even freaking Kotomine Kirei's character does that.

Lev draws out sympathy? That's quite a leap there dude. Kotomine's character acts as a foil to shirou's and to compare his scenes to Mashu's "uwu my pure waifu had such a tough past, better give her some headpats" is frankly ridiculous. Not once was Kirei reduced to fishing for sympathy, the fact thay you felt any is purely due to his compelling character arc. Go join a literature class and reread the VN, you're worse than the secondary boogieman
 
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Shayon said:
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Can you articulate why? I'm wouldn't mind being wrong about her

there are different interpretations of mary sue, and Mash does have an alarming number of the traits, which is why I'm somewhat neutral in this matter

while I understand your side of the argument, Mash isn't nearly "perfect" enough for me to consider her one. she doesn't have that much strength or talent compared to other servants and doesn't take away the spotlight from them to offer magical solutions to most problems, and she's not really admired or celebrated by most of the other characters
I think she more than hits enough criteria. Mashu isn't fellated as much as she could be purely because the plot is too busy celebrating the countless other speshul snowflakes, the ones that actually make the gachabux. At least she isn't Nero I guess?
 
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virde said:
ssjokg said:


Here is a question.

What does Rin,the poor orphan that lost her parents in the previous war, lose in FSN?
She fucks up her servant summoning in the first 5 minutes of the game due to her clumsiness, wasted a command seal, lost her life multiple times due to her personality's limitations, lost her servant due to lacking an understanding of his personality

What does Saber, who failed in the one thing she had to do and heavily blames herself, lose?What do countless other -good- characters with a sad past lose at any point of their story?
Her recklessnes leads to her own and shirou's death multiple times and her mindset is completely rejected multiple times.
This is quite embarrassing for somebody that's supposedly read the VN

It is good and all to use a tv tropes to try and force your ideas on what is and isnt x type of character but better try not to force it on pretty much any character.
The fanfiction is universally regarded as the origin of the term, but sure dismiss that. She's a beautiful docile kouhai that kickstarted this era of demiservant cancer, giving her strength to compete with beings much higher on the food chain and a power of friendship-tier NP. She makes no remarkable errors and is freed
from any of the consequences her noble actions do bring her. Textbook mary sue.


Mash doesnt lose anything important, except you know


and she doesnt magically fix anything
Her NP saves protag from excaliblasts and ars almadel, defuses the situation with lancelot which pushes him to help her and probably countless other scenarios. You're taking it too literally anyways, I said Parallels


Every character is made to draw out sympathy from the audience.Even freaking Kotomine Kirei's character does that.

Lev draws out sympathy? That's quite a leap there dude. Kotomine's character acts as a foil to shirou's and to compare his scenes to Mashu's "uwu my pure waifu had such a tough past, better give her some headpats" is frankly ridiculous. Not once was Kirei reduced to fishing for sympathy, the fact thay you felt any is purely due to his compelling character arc. Go join a literature class and reread the VN, you're worse than the secondary boogieman


Did any of those setbacks hinder Rin?Her faction win 3 times out of 3.
Alt endings dont count since she dies because of Shirou's mistakes.Mash would die as well if everyone around her fucked up.
She did understand Archer.It is why she keeps him away from fights for most of s1.

Again, alt ends dont count.Mash failed to read Lev, she failed to save Olga, she would be dead if Caster Cu wasnt there etc.

Mash compete with the others?She is literally saved by everyone else.We literally go around in every singularity recruiting Servants because Mash cant do shit. Even when she can use ****'s powers her primary role is still to establish a summoning circle for us to summon Shadow Servants to FIGHT for us.
Friendship Np, Willpower feats.As if Fate wasnt full of them.Saber beats Sasaki outright because of willpower.Shirou in HF is the embodiment of willpower.


Didnt that person die because she wasnt strong enough to save the day? Are Mary Sue's supposed to be perfect and able to save everyone or not?

I am taking it too literally and you trying to stretch out the definition by any means necessary.

Considering that Lev and the other Demon God Pillars could have normal lives before awaking is enough to warrant sympathy for them.

In the end your issue is that people treat her too much as a waifu.Their problem.And I guess yours as well.

She can be a bad character without being mary sue and considering that you really have to try hard to find anything that makes her one other than "omg so pure" since she doesnt do anything even if she is our only Servant, the one to join a literature class should be you.


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The OST when Mashu went berserk was honestly some of the best pieces of music I've ever heard!

I'm tearing up! All that gacha wasn't wasted after all!
 
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So uuuh is this a different timeline than the story of First Order anime? Can anyone who played the game explain how this works?
You all need to watch Nami.

 
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So uuuh is this a different timeline than the story of First Order anime? Can anyone who played the game explain how this works?
The events in this are some years up to some minutes before the start of the first mission in first Order(with some montage from events between First Order and Babylonia at the very end).

You actually see Mash finding Ritsuka unconscious and Ritsuka entering the room Romani is lazing around, like in the First Order ova.

For plot related reasons, since the adaptation will skip 5 arcs, we got this ep in order to establish Mash and Romani as characters.
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I feel like watching this but i am not sure if i have to finish all the other fates. I finished fate/zero and fate/stay night ubw. In the characters i saw that there is Saber from fate extra lost encore so i was just wondering if i have to watch more season before i watch this... thanks.
 
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Mini-Senpai said:
I feel like watching this but i am not sure if i have to finish all the other fates. I finished fate/zero and fate/stay night ubw. In the characters i saw that there is Saber from fate extra lost encore so i was just wondering if i have to watch more season before i watch this... thanks.


You definitely dont need Last Encore for this.

You MAY need to watch up to Heaven's Feel 2.
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Mini-Senpai said:
I feel like watching this but i am not sure if i have to finish all the other fates. I finished fate/zero and fate/stay night ubw. In the characters i saw that there is Saber from fate extra lost encore so i was just wondering if i have to watch more season before i watch this... thanks.

you already watched UBW and FZ, so you don't need to watch anything else for this.

but, you see, Fate/Grand Order anime is skipping 5 chapters of the story, so continuity gets thrown right out the window, it's clear that the main target audience for these anime are the players, not anime-onlies.

if Babylonia is a good and non-rushed adaptation, you will be able to mostly understand the story, but there will also be stuff that won't make sense to you regardless, unless they go out of their way to explain them

if you want to watch FGO anime anyway, you should watch Fate/Grand Order: First Order before Babylonia at least.

relevant thread with more info: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1795005

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So uuuh is this a different timeline than the story of First Order anime? Can anyone who played the game explain how this works?

most of this episode takes place before the events of First Order.

FGO story has a prologue and 8 story chapters (aka singularities):

Prologue - Singularity F (Adapted into First Order)
Singularities 1-5 (not getting adapted to anime)
Singularity 6 (Will be adapted into Camelot movies)
Singularity 7 (Will be adapted into Babylonia anime)
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Thanks. Why were the first five singularities not adapted though? That would make it quite less confusing. Some of the comments say because the first five were shit, but let's be honest, fans would watch it anyway.
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Thanks. Why were the first five singularities not adapted though? That would make it quite less confusing. Some of the comments say because the first five were shit, but let's be honest, fans would watch it anyway.

you're welcome.

they did a poll within the game for which singularities the players would want adapted into anime, Camelot and Babylonia came out on top. with the way the other singularities were written, some amount of rewriting would be necessary to make them suitable for anime, just like First Order.

why put in so much effort for something that has a good chance of failing. with how insanely popular FGO is in japan, they can afford to only pander to the players by adapting the two they want most
 
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Oh okay, that makes sense. I still hope the rest of the story gets adapted eventually if this one does well. I don't really want to get into gacha just to be able to understand the story more.
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Oh okay, that makes sense. I still hope the rest of the story gets adapted eventually if this one does well. I don't really want to get into gacha just to be able to understand the story more.

you can watch the singularities with all their cutscenes on youtube, they're a big waste of time tho
 
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Oh okay, that makes sense. I still hope the rest of the story gets adapted eventually if this one does well. I don't really want to get into gacha just to be able to understand the story more.

Except from a little character development for Mashu none of them are needed to understand the story.

In fact Babylonia and Camelot are so different in goals and structure(sorry cant spoil) that it would just be a waste of time to animate 1-5. They have some good moments but overall they are pretty meh.

If you just watch First Order you will be fine story wise.
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So I’m only up to the 4th singularity, would I be fine watching this & the anime that’s about to come out?
 
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