Fate/Grand Order: Zettai Majuu Sensen Babylonia - Initium Iter Episode 1 Discussion

-Stray said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Ep 00 to be exact.
The start was hype as hell, great animation and effects all around.
We got a backstory of a 10 year old Mash and how the story will progress in its sequel. Hopefully we get animations like this showed in its opening.

Ethics said:
forgive for my lack of knowledge on the whole Fate Franchise as A whole but there where some scenes towards the ending of this episode that i'm pretty sure have not watched. Are those mean't to be scenes in the game or scenes that we will find in the anime to come?

ssjokg said:


These are scenes from the first 6 chapters+prologue.
Babylonia is the 7th chapter and the 6th will be released as movies later. Chapters 1-5 are treated like trash, and they are, so they were skipped(reason is a survey was held about which chpater is the most fan favorite and none of them were there).

Story wise you dont miss anything but Mash's character development may be an issue since she learns slowly what makes one human.
The prologue does have an adaptation tho, look up First Order.

EDIT:I forgot, we get short flashbacks for Mash in some eps.

Ethics said:
well that kind of suck considering we won't get to see any type of development in the characters to show how they came to be and that they show flashbacks of scenes that may not become an anime. It's kind of sad that they did not start at the previous singularities and skipped straight to 7. The sole reason is that those flashbacks or scenes keep on bugging me for the sole matter that they never existed in the anime series itself. (this is just my opinion but they should have started at the 1st singularity to make the story unfold more smoothly than just going straight to the 7th)

ssjokg said:


Not really, Mash isnt developed yet, she learns stuff in each singularity and all of that together will make her change.
There are two more chapters including this one and her development will be a result of the answer she came to.

The stories are very bad before the 6th. Animating content worth 5 seasons, when that content is worse than fanservice wouldn't be smart.

Ethics said:
I agree with what you're saying about how it will be a step back or bad decision to animate the previous chapters but the least they could do was give some more context since they show characters like the mage king who was not even mentioned anywhere and you have to do research or play the game yourself to find out who these characters are. Although they do not show much significance from how I interpret it, why did they even bother to show them in the first place? It's just messing me up that they show characters who play some role in the story without giving much info on who they are. I may be overreacting I bit too much but I tend to have problems when stories are incomplete.

ssjokg said:


Their only significant role is to make Mash realize you dont have to be born human to be one.

As for the Mage King you really arent missing anything.
He appears in chapter 4, beats our ass and disappears. We dont even know if he is the Mage King, that's just what he said.

Since you arent aware of the future reveals, as we players are, I can assure you that they actually have included stuff about the Mage King in the series.
And here is one issue I have with the adaptation and it isnt even the studio's fault.At one point one character says something and the subs dont translate it at all.
And the worst thing is that we cant point that out because it will become obvious what it means. As an example imagine the reveal about Archer in FSN making no sense because the subs were horrible. Or the grail being what it is in Zero failing completely because Kiritsugu's dream scene had half assed subs.

Ethics said:
are you talking about when they said archer was the ideals of Shrou and stuff even that's not what archer exactly is? If so then i was also at a loss at that part too... It's like you have watch the whole thing in order to make sense of what is happening just because of bad translation.

ssjokg said:


That wasnt supposed to be taken literally.Archer is another Shirou that became a hero of justice and since that is the ideal of Shirou he is more or less that ideal manifested.It isnt some concept like entity(Archer in Fate/Extra is to an extend the concept of nameless heroes but FSN Archer is Shirou Emiya).

But yeah in Babylonia's case it really damages the build up for certain things, including the mage King.I can tell you one very affected scene after ep0 if you want but be aware that it may lead you to realize some things that shouldnt be realized yet.

Ethics said:
You can say it. It will be really helpful.

ssjokg said:


In ep4

I dont know if they will keep adding stuff like hat, but their attempts to make the story and characters better will be pointless for us westerners if the subs keep failing.

Ethics said:
So correct me if I'm wrong but does this mean Romani has some ultirior motive and/or working for someone. I don't really know or if I'm anywhere close to what it actually. But if you can, can you tell what this means?

ssjokg said:


All I can say is that he has some pretty fucking important information that he doesnt share for his own reasons. As we see he really wants to help against whatever those visions are and has supported Mash and Ritsuka for 6(7 counting the prologue) missions already.

It isnt so much ulterior motive as it is selfish desire.

Kish0 said:
Leonardo da Vinci is actually a woman, what a discovery!

ssjokg said:
He is a man but he decided to take the form of the Mona Lisa because he is weird like that.

Kish0 said:


So....is she/he physically a man ?

ssjokg said:

"Physically" is a weird term for a Servant since they are a spirit but as a Servant Da vinci is currently a full woman.

Kish0 said:


Oh wow, it's just getting weirder now.