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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Lots of action this episode. I'm just glad this season gave more screen time to the other characters (outside of Bell and Hestia). Yamato Mikoto in particular impressed me. Same with Ryuu.

Welf's skills are also impressive and definitely not someone to take lightly. Screw Apollo though. Hestia showed him who is the boss!

 
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Apollo Familia defeated in just one episode.
I have to say that Bell and company put up a good fight.
Ryou with the magical swords was cool and the way she pissed of the other Elf was even better.
Bell using the advice of Ais was also nice.

And now they guys have a new home.
 
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Man that would've been really annoying if Bell lost only because he was just casually held back. Animation was kinda choppy at some moments but overall pretty nice siege

Smug Hestia though
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Well, that's just pathetic. So much drama about losing, so much emotion moments in the previous episodes... to end it in just a single episode. They've f*cked up their own ideas.
 
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They finished the war game in one episode. Good thing Bell and his group were able to win it. They really got stronger, especially Bell and Ryu was cool as always. Overall a pretty good episode. Hestia and her familia got a new home which is nice.

 
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I'm glad this War Games arc was completed on just one episode. I kinda suspected the Hestia familia would be getting a new house after the old church was destroyed, but i never though it would be the one from the rival familia they defeated.
 
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Anybody want to confirm that this War did not last too long? I hoping to last another episode at most. Am I thinking or missing anything? I knew Quality over quantity would be very important. I just felt that things went too fast.
 
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I just fell a bit sad that they couldn’t make the War Game shorter... it felt really dragged on to me...

To be serious I’m really disappointed by this season this far. They manage to put the entire War Game in one single episode... I was expecting at least a bit of fight but what we get was just I mean I don’t even know how to explain it it was like if they just wanted to show us how Bell get this far but without showing much fight. At least it’s how I felt it. And even when Bell manage to arrive at the enemy captain who is suppose to be a level above him he beat him in like two minute or something. And even only with that the animation wasn’t that good at moment.

So yeah I’m disappointed since I had great memories from the first season and Sword Oratoria and especially from the fights. Thus I had great expectations and they are not met yet.
 
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Aug 2, 10:41 AM
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And so the war game finally begins. Despite the overwhelming advantage that Apollo famila has its nice that there are still people that believe in Bell and his friends. Using Ryu and Mikoto as vanguards was an excellent strategy. Mikoto's gravity magic combined with Ryu's sheer strength sure was the perfect pairing. But Lily's contribution was by far the most effective. While each member of the familia may not stack up to Apollo's elites working together Bell's allies are a force to be reckoned with. Overall an excellent ep that showed that while overwhelming numbers can be daunting they can easily be countered with cunning, skilful adventurers and a determination to help friends when they need it. While the battle may have been shorter than most people expect it was true to the source material and besides a drawn out battle will be too dangerous for Bell's famila. The prize of gaining Apollo's home as their new base though sure was satisfying since Apollo's familia destroyed theirs.
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This is like comically bad lol. Everyone in Hestia's familia can defeat dozens of Apollo's familia members because the good guys have to be super strong. Three episodes of build-up lead to one episode of fighting just so that the guy who nearly beat Bell to death before can run at him with a knife and lose to a kick/punch combo. The animation in the fight scenes is average at best to top all of this off. How is this above an 8?
 
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That was a rushed arc, they only took 1 ep for the war game, and even 1 attack to finish the enemy... what a disappointment.
 
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hm.
it felt pretty rushed imo
i really liked what hestia did to apollo, he deserved it lol
mord, ya sneaky bastard LOL
lilli too. sneaky hoe.
 
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Dang! The big battle decided all in 1 episode... Mikoto and Ryu were pretty cool, and for such a battle, the animation was pretty average. I know they trained and stuff but they just stomped Apollo's familia too easy.
 
Aug 2, 11:10 AM
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It felt a bit too fast, especially considering the buildup, but at the same time I'm really happy it all closed in one eispode. I expected multiple annoying cliffhangers and unreasonable fails.
 
Aug 2, 11:12 AM

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This episode felt a bit fast paced. Lacking a lot of the epic moments that the first season had.
 
Aug 2, 11:15 AM

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Well that was okay, not really. The fight was such a mess and felt so rushed. All the Orario was on an uproar for the war game and betting on Apollo familia and they got trashed. I mean it was obvious Bell should win, but how it was showed felt like a complete joke ...
Also 2 points want to mention: so they are really fighting killing each other?! Is it like okay instead of fighting monsters. Seems so strange. And how come Apollo familia have only "noobs" among their members, like not even level 4, Apollo behaved himself like he has so much power, but in reality only stormtroppers ...
Pretty dissapointing episode.
 
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this arc was so rushed and the war game should have been 2 episodes at least , they didn't bother showing bell getting his status updated , he was still level 2 but his stats where SS

but then again i may seem rushed because its alot slower in the LN , but the bells fight was shortened a bit

they completely removed the desperation and made Apollo familia look incompetent and removed the tension between the two sides ,

while reading the fight in the LN it was so satisfying seeing Hyacinthus lose his shit when fighting bell as a level 2 was beating him to the point he starts to become desperate


also the symbol , is a bell and hestias guardian flame


surprised they are doing only 2 volumes this season , thought this arc would be a 5 or 6 episodes long
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Damn Ryou using Crozzo's magic swords xD
That is a nice reference to the game Argonaut story.
 
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Well, I honestly thought this war game would last for like 2-4 episodes, never imagined it would be so fast
 
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This pacing is just godawful.
Veni, vidi, vici, next episode please.

The beginning of this episode was really weird. It's not in the LN and it doesn't connect with the scene after the OP.
 
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Mythologically said:
This is like comically bad lol. Everyone in Hestia's familia can defeat dozens of Apollo's familia members because the good guys have to be super strong. Three episodes of build-up lead to one episode of fighting just so that the guy who nearly beat Bell to death before can run at him with a knife and lose to a kick/punch combo. The animation in the fight scenes is average at best to top all of this off. How is this above an 8?


Not really, good guys were really strong. Ryuu is lvl 5 and Apollo's commander is a single lvl 3. That is a big difference in that world. Also their whole strategy was to thin out the enemy, with the help of Lily. Ryu took out 50 guys, Mikoto occupied 20-30 people with that ability, and the rest were left to Welf and Bell.
My complaints would be that it was all incredibly rushed and just so flat, even the last 3 episodes, no build-up. Animation is surprisingly nice. Score is just a sequel effect.
 
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Wow that sure went by faster than i expected. I didnt want this to drag too much but ending it in one epi was kinda meh i guess. I have mixed up feelings about this but this sure was satisfying. Seeing Bell knocking out that piece of trash was the best also lol Hestia sure didn't hold back on her reward there lol.
Well the hestia familly finally grew in numbers because of the war game.Those wanting to leave their previous family and join Hestia family got to finally made up their mind because of this and I hope smthng gd is coming next .Because this went by too fast.
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I've never liked Mord more than i have this episode. Also, the battle may have seemed rushed, but if you consider speed and trickery was their only option to win, it wouldn't make sense for them to engage in a protracted battle.
 
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Mythologically said:
This is like comically bad lol. Everyone in Hestia's familia can defeat dozens of Apollo's familia members because the good guys have to be super strong. Three episodes of build-up lead to one episode of fighting just so that the guy who nearly beat Bell to death before can run at him with a knife and lose to a kick/punch combo. The animation in the fight scenes is average at best to top all of this off. How is this above an 8?


Not really, good guys were really strong. Ryuu is lvl 5 and Apollo's commander is a single lvl 3. That is a big difference in that world. Also their whole strategy was to thin out the enemy, with the help of Lily. Ryu took out 50 guys, Mikoto occupied 20-30 people with that ability, and the rest were left to Welf and Bell.
My complaints would be that it was all incredibly rushed and just so flat, even the last 3 episodes, no build-up. Animation is surprisingly nice. Score is just a sequel effect.


Ryuu is level 4 not 5
 
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I never thought the war game will end in just one episode but I'm satisfy with it. 5/5.
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I see some people are disappointed that they finished war game in one episode. I am glad they did though, it's better to have fast-paced battle with quick outcome than dragged fights.

Everyone seems stronger now. Hestia family also grew and I assume it will probably continue to grow?

They also got a mansion now. Nice.
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Well, that was underwhelming..
 
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That was quick war game.
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Haha, their Familia was finished off in one episode, ironically that's probably as close to the shame of getting Off-Screened as it gets, Apollo familia got exposed to all of Orario too.

Liked that Hestia Familia used Lili's transformation abillity to mess them up.
This episode proofs again that Danmachi needs more Ryu.
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Pretty awesome and intense episode, glad Apollo's bitch ass lost lol
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Best episode of the season so far. I love that Hestia Familia decided to completely take Apollo Familia by surprise and go with a full attack right after the bell.

I often forget how fucking awesome Bell is cause he's so small and cute but damn! Also Ryu is too cool... i wanna be her when i grow up haha

Apollo got what he deserved.... bloody creep
 
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hestia is brutal she totally destroyed the apollo familia...i honestly never saw that coming as i was expecting more of leave us be and never pick a fight with us again kind of thing not total humiliation lmao ...ep was good loved it but gotta say animation wasn't all that impressive at certain scenes
 
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Haha, their Familia was finished off in one episode, ironically that's probably as close to the shame of getting Off-Screened as it gets, Apollo familia got exposed to all of Orario too.

Liked that Hestia Familia used Lili's transformation abillity to mess them up.
This episode proofs again that Danmachi needs more Ryu.
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doubt they will do it but theres a whole side volume that focuses on her , and she does get more spotlight in the future vols but this season wont cover them sadly
 
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Oh boy, this was a definite let-down!

To be frankly honest, the fight just had no tension to it whatsoever. Rushed, Un-Interesting and Flawed on so many levels, it’s almost comical really. Apollo’s family, quite apparently, only has two decent fighters, funny considering how powerful and influential he seemed just prior to the fight. It’s a good thing that Bell has got an impressive upgrade but it’s really not believable when it’s to such an extent. Surviving a life-threatening blast up close only to rise up in moments for a rookie like him is just .. amazingly stupidifying. Well, the fact that he had to resort to this little advice from Ais shows that he respects his opponents’ strength at the very least. But again, a little more grit and resistance from that Commander, the Familia as a whole actually, was awfully lacking.

Anyway, that aside, it’s good to see Lili making use of her disguising abilities. A little surprising that the Apollo family didn’t see such an underhanded scheme coming their way though, I mean they only have 5 against a 100 so they’re obviously cooking up some mischief of the sort or so one would assume. Moving on, it’s a little sad seeing how that fortune teller was being blatantly ignored throughout and yet she was looking to lay down her life for the Familia. I suppose this is what overconfidence on another level can do to you.

Hestia’s smug followed by the demands was amazing lol. She’s easily the best God/Goddess and here’s another reason why. Unfazed by the provocations and developments for the most bit but then smug-y right from victory onwards, great stuff! New House, More Members and a New Emblem to boot, things are looking much more brighter for the Hestia Familia now,
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Mythologically said:
This is like comically bad lol. Everyone in Hestia's familia can defeat dozens of Apollo's familia members because the good guys have to be super strong. Three episodes of build-up lead to one episode of fighting just so that the guy who nearly beat Bell to death before can run at him with a knife and lose to a kick/punch combo. The animation in the fight scenes is average at best to top all of this off. How is this above an 8?


Not really, good guys were really strong. Ryuu is lvl 5 and Apollo's commander is a single lvl 3. That is a big difference in that world. Also their whole strategy was to thin out the enemy, with the help of Lily. Ryu took out 50 guys, Mikoto occupied 20-30 people with that ability, and the rest were left to Welf and Bell.
My complaints would be that it was all incredibly rushed and just so flat, even the last 3 episodes, no build-up. Animation is surprisingly nice. Score is just a sequel effect.


I swear Welf, a lvl 2, floored like 10 people with one attack lol. Ryuu is the only one that makes sense. Mikoto is also a lvl 2 and took on 20-30 people.
 
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i wonder how are they really poor after 1 season's last ep bell destroyed boss and gain huge stone,
i love the story and glad they made war game short.
main objective is gaining level and defeating the labirynth,
they could also scout adventurers from ex apollo family, big family is better i think.
 
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Oh boy, this was a definite let-down!
Surviving a life-threatening blast up close only to rise up in moments for a rookie like him is just .. amazingly stupidifying.


the pendent helped with that , they also failed to show that bell is extremely close to being level 3 , hestia was supposed to update his status before the game
 
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i wonder how are they really poor after 1 season's last ep bell destroyed boss and gain huge stone,
i love the story and glad they made war game short.
main objective is gaining level and defeating the labirynth,
they could also scout adventurers from ex apollo family, big family is better i think.


most of hestias savings went to a fine because of the dungeon incident and the fact that her and hermes was the cause and the stone was used to smithing if i remember correctly

plus shes in pretty much a life time debt due to bells knife
 
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Great episode. Infiltrating the castle is the correct thing. Another option considering Lili can transform would have been to tunnel under. I liked the strategy though. One question: why did the fortuneteller chick did not tell them about Lili?
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This is like comically bad lol. Everyone in Hestia's familia can defeat dozens of Apollo's familia members because the good guys have to be super strong. Three episodes of build-up lead to one episode of fighting just so that the guy who nearly beat Bell to death before can run at him with a knife and lose to a kick/punch combo. The animation in the fight scenes is average at best to top all of this off. How is this above an 8?

You do realize both the elf chick and the samurai chick are presented uber strong from the previous episode right? Also they used really powerful weapons which can swing the tide. Another issue is you assume everyone in Apollo's army is strong . In fact most are very weak and when caught by surprise they can get overwhelmed easily especially since they do not work together so well. About the main dude he is just one level above Bell and skill can easily help someone defeat someone a couple of levels higher, especially on the lower ones.
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Great episode. Infiltrating the castle is the correct thing. Another option considering Lili can transform would have been to tunnel under. I liked the strategy though. One question: why did the fortuneteller chick did not tell them about Lili?


she did , they didn't believe her

lilly was the Trojan horse she mentioned
 
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aitaku said:
i wonder how are they really poor after 1 season's last ep bell destroyed boss and gain huge stone,
i love the story and glad they made war game short.
main objective is gaining level and defeating the labirynth,
they could also scout adventurers from ex apollo family, big family is better i think.


most of hestias savings went to a fine because of the dungeon incident and the fact that her and hermes was the cause and the stone was used to smithing if i remember correctly

plus shes in pretty much a life time debt due to bells knife


hieroglypf sword cost a fortune, thanks for info.
 
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Oh boy, this was a definite let-down!

To be frankly honest, the fight just had no tension to it whatsoever. Rushed, Un-Interesting and Flawed on so many levels, it’s almost comical really. Apollo’s family, quite apparently, only has two decent fighters, funny considering how powerful and influential he seemed just prior to the fight. It’s a good thing that Bell has got an impressive upgrade but it’s really not believable when it’s to such an extent. Surviving a life-threatening blast up close only to rise up in moments for a rookie like him is just .. amazingly stupidifying. Well, the fact that he had to resort to this little advice from Ais shows that he respects his opponents’ strength at the very least. But again, a little more grit and resistance from that Commander, the Familia as a whole actually, was awfully lacking.

Anyway, that aside, it’s good to see Lili making use of her disguising abilities. A little surprising that the Apollo family didn’t see such an underhanded scheme coming their way though, I mean they only have 5 against a 100 so they’re obviously cooking up some mischief of the sort or so one would assume. Moving on, it’s a little sad seeing how that fortune teller was being blatantly ignored throughout and yet she was looking to lay down her life for the Familia. I suppose this is what overconfidence on another level can do to you.

Hestia’s smug followed by the demands was amazing lol. She’s easily the best God/Goddess and here’s another reason why. Unfazed by the provocations and developments for the most bit but then smug-y right from victory onwards, great stuff! New House, More Members and a New Emblem to boot, things are looking much more brighter for the Hestia Familia now,
That is how most sieges go usually. If someone manages to infiltrate the castle and cause panic and misinformation they can destroy a big army with ease. Also consider this: most of Apollo's army was made from people stolen from other families. Their bond was not so great. Also because they had a lot of money they did not have to earn leveling up by hard work. Consider this: if you give a noob a lot of high level items he can defeat a lot of monsters with ease without any skill and thus level up at last for the first few levels pretty fast. This was the case with Apollo's family. The only thing was that they are so many. 100 people?that is a lot.
 
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This episode was really fun,even though it's was rushed. But nevertheless,it's was really satisfying to see Bell kicking the asses. He is total badass in this episode,i can't wait to see more fight scenes of him.
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Mythologically said:
This is like comically bad lol. Everyone in Hestia's familia can defeat dozens of Apollo's familia members because the good guys have to be super strong. Three episodes of build-up lead to one episode of fighting just so that the guy who nearly beat Bell to death before can run at him with a knife and lose to a kick/punch combo. The animation in the fight scenes is average at best to top all of this off. How is this above an 8?

You do realize both the elf chick and the samurai chick are presented uber strong from the previous episode right? Also they used really powerful weapons which can swing the tide. Another issue is you assume everyone in Apollo's army is strong . In fact most are very weak and when caught by surprise they can get overwhelmed easily especially since they do not work together so well. About the main dude he is just one level above Bell and skill can easily help someone defeat someone a couple of levels higher, especially on the lower ones.


Maybe you should try reading other posts lol. Ryuu is level 4, her taking on 50 of them is fine, I guess. Mikoto is level 2. She's the same level as that elf guy that Ryuu defeated in a span of half a minute. Her taking on two dozen people is insane. Welf, who's a blacksmith more so than a combatant, floored 10 people with one attack. I don't assume everyone in Apollo's familia is "strong"; I assume they aren't insanely weak.

I don't have a problem with Bell defeating Hyakinthos; I have a problem with Hyakinthos charging at Bell with a knife like a complete fucking idiot and losing to a dodge and a kick.
 
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Apollo's familia got rekt, as expected lul
100 vs 5, can't even beat one ! Well if Apotard "stole" other familia's children as he planned to do with Bell, that ain't surprising... soldiers don't fight well without a solid motivation

The brune girl in the Apo fam' should have been trusted lol, but she looked a bit too reserved.

I can't wait to see Hestia fam' exploring their new mansion !
 
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That was quite anticlimatic.
It managed to be even worse than the last couple episodes of the first season.
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It was a nice episode, but i thought the war game would’ve been stretched out a couple more episodes.
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Honestly, I thought the war game would be at least two episodes long, but seeing it done in just episode was a surprise.

Still, seeing how Bell and his group making light work of the many Apollo familia soldiers was satisfying. Animation was a little inconsistent, though, with some fights looking great but one or two other fights looking mediocre at best.

The main satisfaction was Bell FINALLY beating the arrogant bastard commander with a nice dosage of a left fist into the face. Toma Kamijo would've been very proud of that punch! =D

And to add to the satisfaction, the way that Hestia humiliated Apollo by banishing him from Orario was hilarious and had me laughing. Nicely done indeed!

So aside from the rushed pacing and slight animation issues, this episode was still good. Looking forward to the next arc. =)
 
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the fight was too easy and had no build up however it was still nice also we have to remind ourselves that it s not the main plot of this season, as a mid boss it was a pretty cool episode actually, don t you all think?

I just don t know how they managed to capture that little dude, i don t remember his name. Joel maybe?
 
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I am impressed, that's what we call Blitz victory here. I thought this War Game arc gonna be a bit longer and more serious, but it was quick job indeed. Not sure what is happening next, but I understand there is little bit time skip ahead? Will they include episode Ryu/Lyu? To kept chronological order, or it's will be possibly and OVA of season 2?
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