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Aug 1, 2:15 AM
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Yautja said:
Super good, but god fucking lord was Thorfinn fucking annoying.


How was he fucking annoying?
 
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- Astounding OST, animation, and cinematography. Props to the brilliant voice actors.
- Characters that feel human, they even nailed how a 6 year old should act.
- Askeladd vs Thors felt tense, it had consequences, great choreography, and principles put to the test.
- Faithful and and actually better than the source material (for this part).
I know what would happen as I've read the manga, yet it still made me sad.
Thors is a good man, his philosophy and thinking led him to the best possible outcome. Sacrificing himself by impressing Askeladd so the others are left unharmed. Well, except Ari, he got what he deserved. Fighting all out would most likely lead to death.
This anime is objectively at least an 8/10 in terms of quality, anything lower is very much subjective.
This is the point where the story changes drastically, looking forward to what they can do in the next episode as it is an anime original!
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This show is what is what keeps me breathing by the air of anime industry and visually I can somewhat feel the 2019'ness or simply being up with the times. As I was absent I had no prejudices but even from the opening itself it was clear that Thors is dying, whole month to prepare if one is invested to the length of overthinking it before sleep etc., though I am glad that it was executed only 4 episodes in (blind how it is in manga case but content-wise it should be parallel) and Thors got his moral portrait drawn pretty clearly in present (because it could have been dragged out with help of dem repeating flashbacks) and I'm intrigued how Thorfinn will be swarming around it since at the moment they seem like complete opposites of each other and simple blood relation/father figure is his current life drive - his intent is revenge and what now at most feels like a revenge story should probably turn out to quenching of his thirst of revenge. Askeladd is not dying for sure and I hope Thorfinn learned with his eyes that personal 'ethics' are useless in battlefield.
 
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animation, MUSIC, characters, plot everything is amazing

5/5

this anime will be classic
 
Aug 1, 6:13 PM

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Imagine thinking this is just a generic revenge story LUL.

People have already talked about the archers, but what about the village back home? Were there not orders to kill Thors by the Jomsvikings after he deserted 15 years ago? What's stopping them from destroying the entire village if Thors had survived here? He knew he was a dead man, but by sacrificing his life he gets the maximum value out of it. And sure, we all know Thors could've easily killed everyone there, if he wanted to sacrifice his philosophy and the beliefs he's been trying to instill into Thorfinn, but there's just no way they're surviving the archers. And jumping into the water certainly isn't going to do anything.
 
Aug 1, 7:35 PM

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Damn... damn, it was sad. Just very sad. :( Thors died like a hero. He was not defeated. He traded his own life for lifes of those who were with him and his last order was secure the village's future by showing his corpse to Jomsvikings' warchief as a proof that he didn't flee from war.

The battle sequence was elite. No need to say more about it. Effects, tension, smooth animation, realism. I rarely see that kind of moments in the first episodes of an anime. Seeing so many sasuga moments up until now was delightful to watch.
 
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Dumb kid is dumb and dad is killed from dumb kid being dumb also dumb kids dad is a pacifist viking and gets killed from being a pacifist viking, i don't think it'll be AOTY, but it'll be a nice watch (as long as dumb kid turns into smart kid)
 
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Dumb kid is dumb and dad is killed from dumb kid being dumb also dumb kids dad is a pacifist viking and gets killed from being a pacifist viking, i don't think it'll be AOTY, but it'll be a nice watch (as long as dumb kid turns into smart kid)

Thorfinn didn't do anything that got his dad killed, he was just standing there with rest watching. Thors was dead as soon as he arrived at Faroe islands and nothing would have changed that.
Also, his pacifism is what actually saved everyone in his crew. Otherwise everyone would have been sold as slaves.
 
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those CHEATERS, THEY DONT FOLLOW THE RULES OF DUEL... anyways it just shows how strong thors is. he can wipe out an entire army with just bare hands...

for thorfinn its hurtful to see when your father dies in front of you...
 
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Gwick said:
Dumb kid is dumb and dad is killed from dumb kid being dumb also dumb kids dad is a pacifist viking and gets killed from being a pacifist viking, i don't think it'll be AOTY, but it'll be a nice watch (as long as dumb kid turns into smart kid)


For someone who calls others dumb so much your ability to comprehend an episode isn't that good either. Bjorn could have grabbed anyone other than Thorfinn on the boat and it would have ended the same. And yeah the archers would have definitely not shot them with arrows if Thors killed everyone down below. Theme wise pacifism in a brutal world is brilliant but it doesnt suit your shounen preference of main characters solving their problems by punching everyone. get lost

 
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Imagine watching Vinland Saga, a show that has up till now has repeated again and again that "you shouldn't talk about killing so lightly", and then rage-commenting here that characters "should just kill other characters and be done with it".

LMAO I'm just... Some of these reactions show perfectly what the show is saying: so many people think so little of implications of violence. Another example of this is the amount of people that couldn't understand why Thors traded his sheep and saved a fellow human being (who happened to be a slave) in the earlier episode from literally getting tortured to death.

This show has a moral compass, it tells you that human suffering is the one thing that should be avoided at all costs, and Thors' comment that he had to rely on his sword because he is not a master, shows that he is VERY MUCH AWARE that he lacks the power and mastery of stopping someone like Askeladd from harming people without harming him back. All in all, Thors managed to solve this horrible situation by losing only 1 life, his own. It's the best he could've hoped for. Killing Askeladd's team to stop them from killing men in the future was also not an option, as someone already commented about the archers who would certainly kill the innocent villager kids if Thors had tried to do that. So imo he made the right call.

Call Askeladd a shrewd man who lacks morals, but at least he recognized Thors as someone admirable. Everything in this episode showed you that he hated the idea of having to kill Thors: from inviting him as a leader (he was clearly serious, you can see the feel of rejection on his face before he saves himself from humiliation by telling his men he was merely joking), to sulking on the boat after he did his job.

As some manga readers have mentioned before, if you aren't prepared to actually think about the themes this show mentions (pacifism, the harm of glorifying violence, and valuing human life above all else), you're going to have a very rough time after this first season. Because this show actually isn't afraid to have a message. smh.
 
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Even now, Thorfinn is edgy af, really hate those kind of brats... well. And I have a hunch he would be even worse when he grows up. Vengeance or whatnot...

Anyway, the best character is now officially gone. He fought well, even gave us his long speech before death. The scene where even Askelddad was sitting disappointed, thinking what a shame such man had to die, feeling no pleasure or satisfaction in what he did was a great one.

The only thing that I really missed at the end of this episode was Thors closing his eyes and looking at golden fields in the wind at his mind, like in the beginning when that runaway died, that would be perfect.

 
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this is the first time in a LONG LONG LONG time that i’ve cried this hard after watching a character die. i was straight up bawling. and this was when i already knew he was going to die (read the synopsis) and after i’d only known the character for what, 3 episodes? everything about this show is amazing so far, but i’ll definitely have to put writing number one on the list.
 
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Really felt Thorfinn's emotion through that animation. Fantastic episode.
 
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Better than SNK

LUL
 
Aug 2, 11:15 PM

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Breakthrough performance on episode 4 of for Ishigami Shizuka! DAMN!
5/5.
 
Aug 3, 12:29 AM

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What a waste. Thors was really strong but he didn't killed anyone. Welp, Edgy Kid Saga starts now

 
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Amazing episode.The series will begin now!

Anyone who knows the title of the next episode?
 
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i cringed so hard when he stood with 20 arrows in him like nothing so terrible. and how he kills 20 people alone. is that a fantasy show or an historical show? how can a man break a ship with iron weapons?
 
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Kean said:
Amazing episode.The series will begin now!

Anyone who knows the title of the next episode?


Episode 5 title: 戦鬼(トロル)の子 (Thors` child)
 
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mainavi said:
Kean said:
Amazing episode.The series will begin now!

Anyone who knows the title of the next episode?


Episode 5 title: 戦鬼(トロル)の子 (Thors` child)


Thank you very much!
 
Aug 3, 8:51 AM

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This episode was really good!
 
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Callesthe said:
Imagine watching Vinland Saga, a show that has up till now has repeated again and again that "you shouldn't talk about killing so lightly", and then rage-commenting here that characters "should just kill other characters and be done with it".

LMAO I'm just... Some of these reactions show perfectly what the show is saying: so many people think so little of implications of violence. Another example of this is the amount of people that couldn't understand why Thors traded his sheep and saved a fellow human being (who happened to be a slave) in the earlier episode from literally getting tortured to death.

This show has a moral compass, it tells you that human suffering is the one thing that should be avoided at all costs, and Thors' comment that he had to rely on his sword because he is not a master, shows that he is VERY MUCH AWARE that he lacks the power and mastery of stopping someone like Askeladd from harming people without harming him back. All in all, Thors managed to solve this horrible situation by losing only 1 life, his own. It's the best he could've hoped for. Killing Askeladd's team to stop them from killing men in the future was also not an option, as someone already commented about the archers who would certainly kill the innocent villager kids if Thors had tried to do that. So imo he made the right call.

Call Askeladd a shrewd man who lacks morals, but at least he recognized Thors as someone admirable. Everything in this episode showed you that he hated the idea of having to kill Thors: from inviting him as a leader (he was clearly serious, you can see the feel of rejection on his face before he saves himself from humiliation by telling his men he was merely joking), to sulking on the boat after he did his job.

As some manga readers have mentioned before, if you aren't prepared to actually think about the themes this show mentions (pacifism, the harm of glorifying violence, and valuing human life above all else), you're going to have a very rough time after this first season. Because this show actually isn't afraid to have a message. smh.



plus what we have being seeing is basically a flashback
 
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Callesthe said:
Imagine watching Vinland Saga, a show that has up till now has repeated again and again that "you shouldn't talk about killing so lightly", and then rage-commenting here that characters "should just kill other characters and be done with it".

LMAO I'm just... Some of these reactions show perfectly what the show is saying: so many people think so little of implications of violence. Another example of this is the amount of people that couldn't understand why Thors traded his sheep and saved a fellow human being (who happened to be a slave) in the earlier episode from literally getting tortured to death.

This show has a moral compass, it tells you that human suffering is the one thing that should be avoided at all costs, and Thors' comment that he had to rely on his sword because he is not a master, shows that he is VERY MUCH AWARE that he lacks the power and mastery of stopping someone like Askeladd from harming people without harming him back. All in all, Thors managed to solve this horrible situation by losing only 1 life, his own. It's the best he could've hoped for. Killing Askeladd's team to stop them from killing men in the future was also not an option, as someone already commented about the archers who would certainly kill the innocent villager kids if Thors had tried to do that. So imo he made the right call.

Call Askeladd a shrewd man who lacks morals, but at least he recognized Thors as someone admirable. Everything in this episode showed you that he hated the idea of having to kill Thors: from inviting him as a leader (he was clearly serious, you can see the feel of rejection on his face before he saves himself from humiliation by telling his men he was merely joking), to sulking on the boat after he did his job.

As some manga readers have mentioned before, if you aren't prepared to actually think about the themes this show mentions (pacifism, the harm of glorifying violence, and valuing human life above all else), you're going to have a very rough time after this first season. Because this show actually isn't afraid to have a message. smh.

Teaching Americans/westerners about violence not being a virtue? Sa-vage.
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mainavi said:
Kean said:
Amazing episode.The series will begin now!

Anyone who knows the title of the next episode?


Episode 5 title: 戦鬼(トロル)の子 (Thors` child)


i heard its going to be anime original
 
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IRON_FIST1984 said:
is that a fantasy show or an historical show? how can a man break a ship with iron weapons?
I think you should read/watch more historical manga/anime. A superhuman character is pretty common in historical manga/anime.
 
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Shirai-chan said:
What a waste. Thors was really strong but he didn't killed anyone. Welp, Edgy Kid Saga starts now

Worry not, next arc will be more like Askeladd saga ;)
 
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great execution with strong moral and belief about warrior and real man
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Mattinator95 said:
mainavi said:


Episode 5 title: 戦鬼(トロル)の子 (Thors` child)


i heard its going to be anime original


Looks like it is. :(
 
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IRON_FIST1984 said:
i cringed so hard when he stood with 20 arrows in him like nothing so terrible. and how he kills 20 people alone. is that a fantasy show or an historical show? how can a man break a ship with iron weapons?
I don't like it either, the worst for me was when Thors jumped 10feet into the air from ship to ship. The 20 arrows at least could technically happen in a very strange case so that didn't bother me as much as the super human jumping.
 
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Yandere-Dragon said:
IRON_FIST1984 said:
i cringed so hard when he stood with 20 arrows in him like nothing so terrible. and how he kills 20 people alone. is that a fantasy show or an historical show? how can a man break a ship with iron weapons?
I don't like it either, the worst for me was when Thors jumped 10feet into the air from ship to ship. The 20 arrows at least could technically happen in a very strange case so that didn't bother me as much as the super human jumping.


It's blatantly clear from episode one that this was going to be a >>dramatized<< telling of Thorfinn's and Thors's life. The mangaka did a lot of research to keep the setting, clothes, etc. as historically accurate as possible, but at the end of the day, this is an ANIME, A. N. I. M.E. Having super-human characters and near-impossible scenarios are common in these types of mangas/shows. Why? Because at the end of the day media like this is meant to entertain the audience, not bore them. We're here to watch an anime, NOT a historical documentary. Jeez.
 
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Arethusa_Vespera said:

It's blatantly clear from episode one that this was going to be a >>dramatized<< telling of Thorfinn's and Thors's life. The mangaka did a lot of research to keep the setting, clothes, etc. as historically accurate as possible, but at the end of the day, this is an ANIME, A. N. I. M.E. Having super-human characters and near-impossible scenarios are common in these types of mangas/shows. Why? Because at the end of the day media like this is meant to entertain the audience, not bore them. We're here to watch an anime, NOT a historical documentary. Jeez.
I'd definitely argue you could tell a very entertaining story without super powers in anime and also you could have intense dramatic combat without it.
 
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Thorfinn should transfrom into titan...
"The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there."

"Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life."
 
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It's well made- I can't really point out any flaws. However it leaves a rather unpleasant feeling rather than catharsis
 
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Daniel_Naumov said:
Callesthe said:
Imagine watching Vinland Saga, a show that has up till now has repeated again and again that "you shouldn't talk about killing so lightly", and then rage-commenting here that characters "should just kill other characters and be done with it".

LMAO I'm just... Some of these reactions show perfectly what the show is saying: so many people think so little of implications of violence. Another example of this is the amount of people that couldn't understand why Thors traded his sheep and saved a fellow human being (who happened to be a slave) in the earlier episode from literally getting tortured to death.

This show has a moral compass, it tells you that human suffering is the one thing that should be avoided at all costs, and Thors' comment that he had to rely on his sword because he is not a master, shows that he is VERY MUCH AWARE that he lacks the power and mastery of stopping someone like Askeladd from harming people without harming him back. All in all, Thors managed to solve this horrible situation by losing only 1 life, his own. It's the best he could've hoped for. Killing Askeladd's team to stop them from killing men in the future was also not an option, as someone already commented about the archers who would certainly kill the innocent villager kids if Thors had tried to do that. So imo he made the right call.

Call Askeladd a shrewd man who lacks morals, but at least he recognized Thors as someone admirable. Everything in this episode showed you that he hated the idea of having to kill Thors: from inviting him as a leader (he was clearly serious, you can see the feel of rejection on his face before he saves himself from humiliation by telling his men he was merely joking), to sulking on the boat after he did his job.

As some manga readers have mentioned before, if you aren't prepared to actually think about the themes this show mentions (pacifism, the harm of glorifying violence, and valuing human life above all else), you're going to have a very rough time after this first season. Because this show actually isn't afraid to have a message. smh.

Teaching Americans/westerners about violence not being a virtue? Sa-vage.


Befitting of a show about Vikings, isn't it? Though somehow I believe this point will fly over 90% of the watchers head despite it being mentioned in literally every episode. It happened to the manga, and it'll happen again to the anime if we'll get a season after this.



Arethusa_Vespera said:

It's blatantly clear from episode one that this was going to be a >>dramatized<< telling of Thorfinn's and Thors's life. The mangaka did a lot of research to keep the setting, clothes, etc. as historically accurate as possible, but at the end of the day, this is an ANIME, A. N. I. M.E. Having super-human characters and near-impossible scenarios are common in these types of mangas/shows. Why? Because at the end of the day media like this is meant to entertain the audience, not bore them. We're here to watch an anime, NOT a historical documentary. Jeez.


While I agree with most of your reply, I think the 'over exaggeration' of some of the powers of characters is probably the most valid critique I've seen on this show thus far. Meticulous detail went in to making the setting, characters and tone of the story realistic. I can see how the more silly exaggerations like characters jumping 10 ft into the air could break some peoples suspension of disbelief. Honestly I really don't care much about it because Vinland Saga isn't really about the battles anyway, and it's also not like Thors' fate would've been any different would he not be able to jump 10 ft. So yeah, if one wishes to nitpick, I guess this would be valid. It always makes me chuckle though, it's really like those old sagas to over-exaggerate "how great this warrior was", so I take it as a nod to that type of storytelling.
 
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Everything was intense with this episode, cant wait to see the next one.
 
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Callesthe said:

it's really like those old sagas to over-exaggerate "how great this warrior was", so I take it as a nod to that type of storytelling.
That's a good way of thinking about it
 
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mfw people saying this is aoty but its literraly a generic story of a kid wanting revenge and messing up for being too dumb


this. I really dont see what all the fuss is about. Cool story, but aoty? Really? For me, what this episode really laked was the realization for the kid that this was all his fault. Yeah, you can be angry at the guy who killed your father, but if you hadn't been so freaking stupid to stow away in your father's boat in the first place he wouldnt have had to surrender in the first place.
 
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Arethusa_Vespera said:
Yandere-Dragon said:
I don't like it either, the worst for me was when Thors jumped 10feet into the air from ship to ship. The 20 arrows at least could technically happen in a very strange case so that didn't bother me as much as the super human jumping.


It's blatantly clear from episode one that this was going to be a >>dramatized<< telling of Thorfinn's and Thors's life. The mangaka did a lot of research to keep the setting, clothes, etc. as historically accurate as possible, but at the end of the day, this is an ANIME, A. N. I. M.E. Having super-human characters and near-impossible scenarios are common in these types of mangas/shows. Why? Because at the end of the day media like this is meant to entertain the audience, not bore them. We're here to watch an anime, NOT a historical documentary. Jeez.


just because its an anime dosent mean it has to be so ilogical. killing 20 people alone. well ok i can take that. but breaking a ship with your sword? comon.
 
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Phenomenal episode! Thor's death is so well-done that I was left breathless during the whole scene. I understand where Askeladd's coming from for bending the rules of the duel, and his smackdown of Arin is oddly satisfying lol. The fact that Thorfinn is able to shake up Askeladd's men with his anger, coupled with the amazing performance of his seiyuu, gives me chills.

Only four episodes out, yet I'm already hoping WIT will be able to adapt the entire manga like what they're doing with SnK.
 
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Tsarko said:
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Dumb kid is dumb and dad is killed from dumb kid being dumb also dumb kids dad is a pacifist viking and gets killed from being a pacifist viking, i don't think it'll be AOTY, but it'll be a nice watch (as long as dumb kid turns into smart kid)

Thorfinn didn't do anything that got his dad killed, he was just standing there with rest watching. Thors was dead as soon as he arrived at Faroe islands and nothing would have changed that.
Also, his pacifism is what actually saved everyone in his crew. Otherwise everyone would have been sold as slaves.



Ok i can understand the episode now, i read some other comments about the archers that would've shot everyone that i completely forgot about, so i get how his sacrifice was necessary and not just caused by something dumb
 
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Man in only 4 episodes I had huge respect for Thor’s and choosing to try to end everything with no lives lost. Also, he should how much of a warrior by dying standing up. I wonder what had happened if he would have just killed Askeladd
 
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I'm just speechless *cries in a corner*
 
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I'm a little annoyed that Thors didn't at least decimate the people on the other boat. That way when he had his little noble fight, he could have used the enemy boat for it and I dunno, had the others fucking push off and head toward land using anything to shield themselves from enemy arrows. And then Thors could have died heroically by pretending good morals had any place in life vs death scenario. Also, that stupid black-haired kid rushing in after the deal has been met - fucking kill him. His childish pride and desire for battle almost got everyone else killed too, or sentenced to slavery. Fucking idiot.

I dunno, I think Thors' death fell flat to me. This is a bit disappointing, actually. Not enough to get me to stop watching, but still something I'm gonna be a little bitter about.
 
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This unfortunate event was one of the few things i previously knew from the manga. I like how Thors kept living up to his ideals until the end. Askeladd is a prick but he still got some honor.
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Daniel_Naumov said:
They threw any pretending to realism just like the father guy threw them into water with a fist slap. Well, at least they are not aiming high and don't pretend like it.

I often get annoyed at unrealistic things in anime, but this makes sense to me. I think a lot of aspects of this show aim for realism.. But Thors is supposed to be like a hero out of a Saga. Larger than life and able to do great feats (like row for five men). The old eddas have a lot of legendary characters like that.
 
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Daniel_Naumov said:
They threw any pretending to realism just like the father guy threw them into water with a fist slap. Well, at least they are not aiming high and don't pretend like it.

I often get annoyed at unrealistic things in anime, but this makes sense to me. I think a lot of aspects of this show aim for realism.. But Thors is supposed to be like a hero out of a Saga. Larger than life and able to do great feats (like row for five men). The old eddas have a lot of legendary characters like that.

B-but they are also a fiction!
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Oh, I see.
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Daniel_Naumov said:
They threw any pretending to realism just like the father guy threw them into water with a fist slap. Well, at least they are not aiming high and don't pretend like it.


What? The show is not aiming high? Do all your 2,000+ comments have this level of understanding for a show?
 
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Hegar said:
Daniel_Naumov said:
They threw any pretending to realism just like the father guy threw them into water with a fist slap. Well, at least they are not aiming high and don't pretend like it.


What? The show is not aiming high? Do all your 2,000+ comments have this level of understanding for a show?

Extremely insightful opinion on the matter, but please move along. There are limits as on whom I will waste my time imitating discussion.
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Daniel_Naumov said:
Hegar said:


What? The show is not aiming high? Do all your 2,000+ comments have this level of understanding for a show?

Extremely insightful opinion on the matter, but please move along. There are limits as on whom I will waste my time imitating discussion.


Poor guy can't answer. :)

I see you live on the forum, so I understand you have a high opinion about your posts. But while the father's fight was unrealistic - welcome to anime - it's ridiculous to say the show isn't aiming high. A lot of people are naming if the anime of the year, and I am inclined to agree. "Not aiming high" because you didn't like the fight scene. Okay. But sounding cynical doesn't make you sound intelligent, even though I understand you think so. It's typical for a certain kind of forum commenters.

"I didn't like this scene, the show suhcks!"

Funny how you use bold and italics to emphasize, but you use them completely wrong. Why would "will" be bold and "discussion" be italics? Any intelligence in that mind of yours and you'd know it's "limits" in that sentence that should be emphasized. It's funny to try to read the sentence out loud the way you write it.
 
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