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Jul 29, 1:44 PM

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episode was over in heartbeat, very good show so far
 
Jul 29, 2:02 PM

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The turning point of the series is here. Most emotional moment of the story that changed Thorfin for the first part. The death was too much too handle even though it was coming. Thors ideal as a true warrior was strong enough to shake Askladd and his men. Askeladd the wittiest of men in the series got shook up by how a man never went back on his ideals. RIP Thors.
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Jul 29, 2:09 PM

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Dramatic episode, awesome animations. Anime of the year material.


Would this kid just stop whining and toughen up?
*later*
OMG...What have we created? :O
 
Jul 29, 2:20 PM
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Thors was a gentle giant provoked by some spineless back-stabbers, seeing him slowly die whilst hoping for the goodwill of his son and his home...I couldn't help but shed a few tears.

 
Jul 29, 3:10 PM

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Thors was the brother of Whitebeard. I got the same feeling watching him and whitebeard die. RIP great legends. *Playing Legends Never Die in my head*


Yup, great legends stand strong even in death

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Jul 29, 4:08 PM
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I felt sad for Thors' death, but I felt admiration much more than sadness. The way he stood up even though multiple arrows were shot at him at the same time, and the way he embraced his death withouth fear but with prowess. Really impressive. 9.5/10 for this eps.
 
Jul 29, 7:55 PM

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Very angry teenage boy incoming!
 
Jul 29, 8:31 PM

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Incredible episode, this show impresses me with each new entry.

I really loathe the notion that "predictable = bad". You had to have some inclination that Thors wasn't going to survive very long, because it was heavily and repeatedly foreshadowed. They threw up death flags everywhere. And if you have seen Game of Thrones you would have recognized Thors as Vinland Saga's Ned Stark. In this time, in this place, as in Westeros, there is no room for honorable men to survive. At the point that our heroes were trapped, at the very least Thors' fate was sealed. Because of course it was. Because that flows logically and makes sense.

So yes, Thors died. Yes, you saw it coming. The writers *wanted you* to see it coming. With story beats like this, it's the journey that is more important than the destination.

The inverse approach of course is the groan-inducing "SuBvErTiNg ExPeCtAtIoNs" strategy as seen in the last season of Game of Thrones, and in The Last Jedi, where the writers just pen in as much nonsensical BS as possible, because they value surprising the audience over presenting a coherent story.

I'm glad the writer(s) here chose cohesive storytelling.


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The complaints that people are voicing in this thread just make no sense to me. Yeah, Thors could have easily killed pretty much everyone there, but he wouldn't. Why? Because he's a changed man. He doesn't believe in killing just because they happen to be "enemies", and he also doesn't want his son to think that killing is acceptable or a something that's necessary. It also wouldn't have mattered if he killed everyone on the boats, because the archers from above are still there, and would still pose a threat to him, Thorfinn, and everyone else.

Like did you guys pay attention to the last 3 episodes? His actions here are not out of character at all. Him dying was the only way he could get everyone else out of this situation and he knew that. I can understand wanting him to die in a blaze of glory or something, but I really don't think there was a more honorable way for him to go than that.


THIS. Just wanted to repost because I'm tired of all the entitled fools acting like they could write a better story.

The most annoying thing that came out of this episode wasn't Thorfinn (who is a literal CHILD and acted as any child would) but the manchildren lurking on the forum acting like the attention-starved individuals they are.
 
Jul 29, 8:51 PM
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Such an amazing episode...it was so intense. Can't wait to see the next episode. I love the art style of this anime. When Thors died I cried my eyes out but at the same time I felt proud. Thors had to do what he did to protect everyone. Poor Thorfinn saw his dad die right in front of him.
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Jul 29, 10:36 PM

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It is unheard of that there is an anime like this today, an anime so pure and beautiful where all effort and focus is put on the development of the story and characters instead of trying to attract morbid or fanservice, because even in other supposedly serious anime fail because of mindless dialogues and a stupid script.
 
Jul 30, 12:34 AM

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Summer is by far the worst season of this year. Vinland Saga is its saving grace. Glad it is back after 3 weeks.
 
Jul 30, 2:07 AM

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Finally they fit the synopsis of the anime into one episode. Also I love how both groups have to saceifice something to gain balance, also Thors you are a true warrior and a great father. This is great nothing to say more.
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Jul 30, 2:53 AM

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intense. Not much else to say.

Rip Thorrs, can't wait for the next episode to see where Thorfin's development goes.

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We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths.
As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are.
That's what death is, don't you think?


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Jul 30, 3:20 AM

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Thors' death in the Anime was more emotional than in the manga. That's just my opinion. The music, his solemn voice, etc. added to that effect.

You can tell from Askeladd's expression and reaction that he disapproved Bjorn's actions. Fucking Bjorn.

Thors is able to intimidate anyone, even Bjorn, despite being at the brink of death. Contender for father of year.
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Jul 30, 3:59 AM
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I knew the old blond guy was a fan favourite character, so I had been wondering how on earth would people like someone who kills the protagonist's loved one. Now I get it. Kind of. He is already my favourite character so far.

The animation was quite breathtaking in some parts.

Till last episode, this anime was just good enough, but this episode, I really liked it. Finally, I found another enjoyable anime this season. Most—this season—were quite bad that I dropped a lot of them.
 
Jul 30, 6:17 AM
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That was insanely gut wrenching to watch.... I cried way to hard, really hits close to home when you know exactly what Thorfinn is feeling.
 
Jul 30, 7:25 AM

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Cool fighting scenes! Thors died the way he wanted, he knew that eventually they would kill him, so at least he saved the village and his son.
I want to see what's going to happen with his son now, maybe some of the pirates will give him food, I mean how is he going to survive now on that boat alone?
Looking forward to see the actual story this was just the introduction to his character and how he became who he is.
 
Jul 30, 9:15 AM

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Another great episode, very emotional! The fight scene was pretty cool, if a little slow.

I haven't read the manga, so I'm intrigued to see exactly how Thorfinn gets along with Askeladd and his pirates after they killed Thors.
 
Jul 30, 9:31 AM
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This was one of the dumbest episodes of anime ever. All of this just so we can get an edgy Thorfin for the rest of this show? Nice meme.
 
Jul 30, 9:42 AM

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This was one of the dumbest episodes of anime ever. All of this just so we can get an edgy Thorfin for the rest of this show? Nice meme.


You should try actually paying attention. Nothing about this episode was dumb.
 
Jul 30, 10:12 AM
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Trolls aside, this was everything I thought it'd be and more. Ignore the lost causes and nonsensical arguments. This anime is not for them. Maybe they'd enjoy Dr. Plot Device or Shounen Firefighter. Anyways, I have a question and I'm not sure if this is meant to be a big reveal or not, but is Askeladd really a Roman? His armor which Thorfinn pointed out was different. And he swore on his ancestor Artorius, which meant more to him than his oath on his father, Olaf.
 
Jul 30, 11:08 AM
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"Why did my father died?"
To save your dumb-ass, you stupid kid!

There's your average S̶a̶s̶u̶k̶e̶ revenge story, still think of this as the AOTS.
dude thorfinn is just a kid do you really think he'll be able to brush aside his FATHER'S DEATH just like that. I thought they did a excellent job portraying a child's mentality after the death of a relative. Distraught yet exasperated with murder plaguing his mind. Simply beautiful
 
Jul 30, 11:16 AM

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Really nice sakuga but it's ridiculous to have no-kill policy as a medieval Viking. It doesn't even make up for an interestingly tragic character because we don't get to see how his philosophy made sense to him except for some generic "killing breeds more killings" argument. The thing is our moral sentiment evolves in history. We now think killing a person is such a big deal because we have established powerful institutions that help us going about our daily life without having to kill any one. We now have a higher moral bar than the medieval because it has become much easier for us to not to kill thanks to all the modernisation that took centuries to realise. To think a Viking would feel the same kind of horror and remorse over killing a person is simply a naive way to project our sense of morality to historical people who lived a very different life.

And you know why I love AoT now 'cuz its ethics is deeply rooted in its material life. They are not like modern people being transported into an isekai with titans.
 
Jul 30, 11:32 AM

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Damn that was an epic fight. I knew it was going to happen but seeing Thors' death was really sad, what a man he was.

I think the part where everyone stopped laughing after seeing the hateful look in Thorfinn's eyes was a really nice touch. Thorfinn's VA did a fantastic job portraying the anguish, despair and hatred he feels after his father's unfair death.

Askeladd is an intriguing character, it is obvious that there's more to him than he lets on. I hope we manage to understand him better within the course of the story!
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Jul 30, 11:35 AM
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Trolls aside, this was everything I thought it'd be and more. Ignore the lost causes and nonsensical arguments. This anime is not for them. Maybe they'd enjoy Dr. Plot Device or Shounen Firefighter. Anyways, I have a question and I'm not sure if this is meant to be a big reveal or not, but is Askeladd really a Roman? His armor which Thorfinn pointed out was different. And he swore on his ancestor Artorius, which meant more to him than his oath on his father, Olaf.

I can tell you that your intuitions are in the right direction but I don't want to spoil you since everything that regards Askalad is related to the final climax of the series.
 
Jul 30, 12:01 PM
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Really nice sakuga but it's ridiculous to have no-kill policy as a medieval Viking. It doesn't even make up for an interestingly tragic character because we don't get to see how his philosophy made sense to him except for some generic "killing breeds more killings" argument. The thing is our moral sentiment evolves in history. We now think killing a person is such a big deal because we have established powerful institutions that help us going about our daily life without having to kill any one. We now have a higher moral bar than the medieval because it has become much easier for us to not to kill thanks to all the modernisation that took centuries to realise. To think a Viking would feel the same kind of horror and remorse over killing a person is simply a naive way to project our sense of morality to historical people who lived a very different life.

And you know why I love AoT now 'cuz its ethics is deeply rooted in its material life. They are not like modern people being transported into an isekai with titans.

You are right but Thors is dead, and he would have died even if he had not been a pacifist extremist ( and as a young man he was a piece of shit that did not make problems to kill ) , the manga is not yet finished but knowing the true story of the saga (historical) and based on certain comparisons between characters, I can tell you that from the war one cannot can escape, not even in the promised land Vinland .
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Jul 30, 1:19 PM

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I think I can finally understand the felling of hate towards Eren on SNK for being a "annoying edgy MC", because that's definitely what I am felling for Thorfinn (even though I still can't understand why people think Eren can be annoying, considering he pushes the plot foward). Anyway, this is actually a good thing since the main "marketing" of the show is his character development.

I honestly can't find any flaw in this start, and if it keep this up, adding tension on the next arc, I can give it a 9 easilly
 
Jul 30, 1:33 PM

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CHC said:
Really nice sakuga but it's ridiculous to have no-kill policy as a medieval Viking. It doesn't even make up for an interestingly tragic character because we don't get to see how his philosophy made sense to him except for some generic "killing breeds more killings" argument. The thing is our moral sentiment evolves in history. We now think killing a person is such a big deal because we have established powerful institutions that help us going about our daily life without having to kill any one. We now have a higher moral bar than the medieval because it has become much easier for us to not to kill thanks to all the modernisation that took centuries to realise. To think a Viking would feel the same kind of horror and remorse over killing a person is simply a naive way to project our sense of morality to historical people who lived a very different life.

And you know why I love AoT now 'cuz its ethics is deeply rooted in its material life. They are not like modern people being transported into an isekai with titans.


Why is it ridiculous? "Killing is bad" is not something humans first thought of in last few centuries. It's true that killing was lot more accepted in their society, but Scandinavians weren't a hive mind. There's nothing stopping an individual Viking to develop his own moral compass and figure out that constantly robbing people their lives might be a bad thing.

It would be problem if their whole society had similar mindset to Thor's, but it doesn't. Story clearly portrays Thors as an anomaly, a man in who knows how many thousands. The show even tries to portray how big of a contrast there is between Thors and the rest.
 
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I just feel really bad for all the edge-lords/complainers on here that have no idea what they're getting into by watching this show... your loss-

Whenever the ED starts playing I get goosebumps, just the thought of losing one of your parents and knowing that no matter who is to blame for it- and that no matter what you do, you can never bring them back.
The thought that I will at one point lose one or both of my parents just breaks me. Thanks for that ED...
 
Jul 30, 2:49 PM

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well It ended as expected tbh, obviously the anime Focus on thorrs son so no way he was going to live, Still thors softness kinda killed It for me but k
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Jul 30, 3:11 PM

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I really don't get why they have normal humans jumping like 10ft into the air in all these action shows, really breaks suspension of disbelief. Also predictable outcome of this episode.
 
Jul 30, 4:00 PM

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I was interested in seeing if Thors would get defeated, but he willingly let himself die to save the others. Unexpected outcome but I like how it was handled.

A shame we won't see more of Thors, but I see some good character development for his son incoming...
Best episode so far.
 
Jul 30, 4:33 PM

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Great episode. Thors is badass this episode, Askeladd lost the fight. Overall emotional episode and Thorfinn start of his revenge.


 
Jul 30, 5:20 PM

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Oh boy. Great episode. Too bad people jump into conclusion about Thorfinn. This guy is gonna be a beast of a character.
 
Jul 30, 5:30 PM
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Tremendous episode! It was full of emotion, action, and finally, of sadness. The animation and the soundtrack made this episode even better. Wit Studio did it again 👏.
Wow! Thors was a truly admirable and incredible man, faithful to his ideals until the end. He has all my respect. Without a doubt, this is one of the best season anime, and Thors one of the best characters I've seen. It is a pity that it will last so little, we took a great character, but, well, that's the way things are and everything is part of this great story.
R.I.P Thors, and a minute of silence for that great man, husband and father.
He died like a warrior, with honor until the end.

Now with the death of his father, the seed of revenge has been planted in Thorfin's heart. The story of Thors, the Troll of Jom, the great warrior, is over, and the story of Thorfin begins. From this point, he will stop being a simple child.

"A true warrior does not need a sword."
 
Jul 30, 8:54 PM

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Great episode. It was expected that he was going to die but it still hurt me...
6 and 7 are good scores
 
Jul 31, 1:23 AM

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Poor Thors never had a chance of escaping alive...

Thor Finn is now an avenger!
 
Jul 31, 2:51 AM
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For me this story died with Thors. If it does center around that fricken, stupid brat from now on, i'm not interested in it...
if you stick around for the second season you wont regret it. Dont judge thorfinns character from his initial edge
 
Jul 31, 2:51 AM
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For me this story died with Thors. If it does center around that fricken, stupid brat from now on, i'm not interested in it...
if you stick around for the second season you wont regret it. Dont judge thorfinns character from his initial edge
 
Jul 31, 3:48 AM

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Thors was the brother of Whitebeard. I got the same feeling watching him and whitebeard die. RIP great legends. *Playing Legends Never Die in my head*


Very very true.

Damn I miss WHitebeard...
 
Jul 31, 3:55 AM

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The 3 week wait is worth it all, this episode is just phenomenal.

Askeladd already knew that Thors the Troll of Jom will not be an easy opponent, even with the duel that Thors ultimately won the battle but lost the War. At least the Warrior's path was given respect to the very end. Thors allowed dignity, even though Askeladd had to resort to underhand tactics to take his head, back to both his own village people and Askeladd and his mercenary of pirates, to business as usual.

And the death of Thors, obvious red flag to boot.
RIP to the family man, now the son Thorfinn has a great deal of trouble to defeat Askeladd (which isn't the true enemy).

Volume 1 of the manga is done, and I can say that the anime is doing a wholesome amount of justice, going and beyond to the manga adaptation.
 
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ThousandCuts said:


No, no, no. AOTY will go to My Hero Academia because Crunchylawl says so.


Till now my AOTY ranking:
1. SnK s03 part II (the clear favourite)
2. Mob Psycho 100 s02
3/4. 7DS part 3 (if adapted well because it contains maybe fight of the year)
4/3. Vinland Saga
5. Kimitsu no Yaiba
6. BnHA s04 (let's see what bones do)

bro, trust me if WIT Studios adapt Vinland saga properly and Accurately it will be remembered as one of the bests as the story is intricate with characters who heavily embody their ideologies, the main cast in Vinland saga have s a abundance of metaphorical meaning behind them possibly rivaling Hunter x hunter just give them Time
 
Jul 31, 8:12 AM
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The Episode was very Good but i find the death of Thors stupid. nevertheless i wait for his sons journey.
 
Jul 31, 8:52 AM

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These first 4 episodes of Vinland Saga have been great. This is hardly surprising given Wit Studio's back catalog but I do have some minor gripes. Some of the action sequences, involving crazy leaps into the air, while fun to watch are too far fetched for what this shows setting is or at least what I thought it was. Thors is also far too overpowered a character but that is hardly an issue now.

Thors' philosophy while not developed deeply is basically parallel to Rurouni Kenshin's, which is interesting, I wish we had spent just a little more time with his backstory. Having a philosophy like that in a time period like that was always going to spell death.

Overall, I am excited for the rest of the series but I also think the show is a bit over-hyped.
 
Jul 31, 9:05 AM

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Best anime of this season for sure. It gets better and more epic with each new episode.
 
Jul 31, 11:57 AM

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I read manga a long time ago, but with this episode I remember why I had love-hate feelings for Askeladd.
 
Jul 31, 3:10 PM
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Damn a really good ep, but sad to see Thors die already. Sacrificed himself just to save the village and the people on the boat
 
Jul 31, 7:30 PM

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What the fuck is a berserker mushroom lol?

Decent episode. Nice action. Eren clone incoming.

 
Jul 31, 8:00 PM

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Episode was great until Thors died. Obvious the anime was gonna be about his son, but it's going to take a lot of episodes to build it back up to as good as the first three made it look like it would be.
 
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Super good, but god fucking lord was Thorfinn fucking annoying.





 
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