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Jul 28, 2:14 PM

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What a great show man. Askeladd is kind of a coward. At the end of the day he wanted his money, but I'm sure he was serious when he asked Thors to be their leader. I image the guilt Askeladd feels will cause him to raise Thorfinn.


Dummy how is Askeladd a coward ? He fought that dude 1v1 and then was ready for his death.
 
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This is not fantasy anime, are we even watching the same episode? Thors properly explained why he couldn't do that despite being "overpowered", there are archers out there who are ready to step in at any moment.

He realized that's the best way of protecting others by appealing to the honour angle of Askeladd, and it worked to a certain extent.

Yes pretty sure we're watching the same thing. Poor attempt at ridiculing aside.
Sure, trust the guy who just played him a few seconds ago, so maybe he realized Askeladd had at least some honor in him in which he luckily did, who's to say his men wouldnt just jump on that ship and start slashing them? They all looked like they were itching for some action, one of them already took it upon himself and took Thors kid as hostage, so sorry but I aint the kind of guy who'd gamble my sons life on a promise with those guys. He could have took his son and jumped on the ocean, not easy to spot them underwater, high chance of his other crew members dying but I say the sons life trumps it all, would it be unrealistic for them to escape underwater? Sure, but realism isnt really this show's strong points.

>so maybe he realized Askeladd had at least some honor in him in which he luckily did, who's to say his men wouldnt just jump on that ship and start slashing them?
You realized right that's why he asked who is the leader here? He made sure who is controlling the situation, trusted that Askeladd would at least keep that vow of the warrior, because there aren't basically any other ways. He trusted his warrior's intuition, something that has been highlighted frequently.


So what's the better option? Jumping into the ocean water in that cramped situation, staying underwater while surrounded by their men?
Oh yes, "who cares about others lives, somehow I will get away with Thorfinn anyway" while disregarding other's lives, because that TOTALLY fits his character from the past 4 episodes. Basically Thors' characteization built up so far has zero relevance to your post, it's just "let's find out some way by diving underneath, it will work out surely because he is overpowered".

Good thing the writer has some common sense here, sometimes I really wonder about the attention span of viewers.
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Jul 28, 2:17 PM
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Easily best anime of the season, possibly AOTY but too early to tell. Shaped up to be the best revenge story in anime by the look in Thorfinn’s eyes alone.


No, no, no. AOTY will go to My Hero Academia because Crunchylawl says so.
Itll go to AOT. As much as I like vinland, that arc raised the bar so high. Like its phantom troupe level high
 
Jul 28, 2:21 PM
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If you are a father of 6 year old kid this episode will literally kill you
 
Jul 28, 2:21 PM

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This episode was able to leave me almost speechless. The fight between Thors and Askeladd was intense and it also had some great choreography and animation as well.

Thors himself was a beast, as he defeated 28 soldiers with just his bare hands, including the berserk Bjorn and was able to win his sword duel against Askeladd. It's still a shame that Thors had to die the way he did, but before he succumbed to his fatal injuries, he was able to make Askeladd promise to honour the duel's rules and let the rest of Thors group retreat, alive.

As for Thorfinn, the poor lad had to suffer a sight that no decent kid should ever see in their lives. Revenge must be his main motive now, since he was able to sneak onto the captured ship and got the attention of Askeladd's army by giving them one hell of an angry scream, vowing to kill Askeladd and gave them one of the angriest looks I've seen in a while, too.

Excellent episode overall and RIP Thors. You were one hell of a likeable character. T_T
 
Jul 28, 2:23 PM
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stupid way to die because of being soft lmao
could have just decimated all of them
there was no guaruantee they let his son live anyway so there was no reason to surrender
especially since this askeladd guy doesn't have a sense of honor
i didn't like this episodes writing but overall great episode though
sorry but i just don't care about this guy dying in this episode and it felt forced, its way too soon and i've had no time to get attached to him
the animation was fucking amazing


Actually, You have to take in the Archers in the high ground. If Thors killed Askeladd what is stopping those archers from killing everyone he was protecting? The best way was to duel and make Askeladd back off or to give Askeladd his objective and let his people go.

Because from the very beginning his people were hostage. It was because of Thors and his not killing that everyone was saved
 
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No. It revolves around everyone. Thorffin is just a little piece of Vinland. Askalled is the real MC

I hope you're right. Four episodes in and i already can't stand seeing this damn kid anymore.


Thorfinn is the MC, thinking otherwise is foolish....He is a brat, an edgy brat at that. You are suposed to feel like that, but worry not, there will be plenty of interesting characters and Thorfinn will become a great character also once 'stuff happens'. In fact a lot of other characters that you think are 'annoying' will mature to become better as the story moves foward.
 
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This episode literally broke me to pieces.

RIP Thors. What a fine man he was.
I felt Throfiin's rage through the screen like it was so real.
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Jul 28, 2:27 PM
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Nim0174 said:
stupid way to die because of being soft lmao
could have just decimated all of them
there was no guaruantee they let his son live anyway so there was no reason to surrender
especially since this askeladd guy doesn't have a sense of honor
i didn't like this episodes writing but overall great episode though
sorry but i just don't care about this guy dying in this episode and it felt forced, its way too soon and i've had no time to get attached to him
the animation was fucking amazing


It was not stupid, there were archers above them, even if he killed Askeladd and his men, Thor and the other would have all be killed by the archers. In this way he managed to let the others go safe.
 
Jul 28, 2:28 PM

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holy crap that voice acting at the end! it sends shiver up my spine! i can literally feel his hatred from the screen! his voice actor deserves a pay raise seriously! that scream would definitely damage her throat!

his dad is a true hero, a true warrior. sacrificing himself so everyone else can live. dying while standing. dayum. and true warriors do not need weapons. because it's not the weapon that makes a warrior. it's the fight they have in them.
 
Jul 28, 2:36 PM
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mfw people saying this is aoty but its literraly a generic story of a kid wanting revenge and messing up for being too dumb


Too soon to judge fam. As someone who already read the manga, the story doesn't even focus on Thorfinn, it's more about Askeladd (I'm really sure you will like him, don't wanna spoil anything, but he's my favorite character in this series). You will also see a great character as thorkell.
 
Jul 28, 2:39 PM
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This was so AMAZING. I kept pausing because I didn't want to see what would inevitably happen. Huge props to Thorfinn's seiyuu, you could FEEL the pain on your skin, your mind, your heart, everywhere. I haven't read the manga, but man, I just feel it everywhere. Well done, Wit Studio!
 
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RIP to a real one man
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Jul 28, 2:40 PM

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That was epic!
I expect lots from these eyes:
 
Jul 28, 2:42 PM

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lots of tears as I watch this episode. very very very good.
 
Jul 28, 3:04 PM
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Wow this scene was sad in the manga but I dont remember tearing up like I did here.

Anyway, something I hope people pay attention to is Askeladd's reactions. Between his dialogue to the village kid about valuing life more, to his sullen look when hes thinking about how Thors managed to defeat his men without taking a single life, its clear Askeladd didnt take much satisfaction from killing Thors. His muted response to Thorfinn's rage compared to the mocking laughter of the rest of his crew says a lot too. All of this should be pretty obvious to anyone paying attention, but its something to keep in mind about Askeladd going forward.


Yes , Askeladd is the best character in the Vinland Saga manga, because he is very complex and not easy to understand, especially if you don't pay attention to that details
 
Jul 28, 3:06 PM
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It was a great episode, the tension and the execution were very fine, if i wasn't spoiled that Thors would die this episode would be even better
 
Jul 28, 3:59 PM

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I wonder why people think originality is a virtue.
Most classics are a rip-off of previous classics, only made in a different fashion that strikes our inner chords in a different way.

That's why there's a difference between trope and cliche.

You are getting too riled up, there is no substance in what the user you were quoting said. He could not even get the theme right. Look who's being too dumb now.


My point is universal, it was directed to the values behind what the user said. Look who's being too dumb now.
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Jul 28, 4:12 PM

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the wait was long, time where awfuls animes like "okaasan online" took advantage to gain undeserved popularity", but Vinland Saga is back with an epic battle and this sad, touching and powerful scene.

Thors is the kind of ephemeral characters, but they leave their mark on people.
 
Jul 28, 4:17 PM

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BRUHHHUHHGHGHGHG THIS EPISODE OMFG

no words what in the love of hell this episode was so intense and sad i? the way thors died.. the impact it was so mf sad and just. powerful,, thor being one of the main reasons why the story even exists,, seeing him dying like an honorable, great warrior,, on the verge of death with his son hugging him and sobbing.... man..
fr wanna see thorrfins kicking everyones ass for his dad,
this series is so mature and realistic? the feels like u could grasp the characters' emotions as you're watching them.. really good animation.. absolutely in love with thorfinn as well, i cant wait to see him all grown up and i also think that the way they started it with the flashback was great for non manga readers (like me), made me get into the atmosphere of the series and its better knowing the story from beginning like this too,, anyway this anime so far is reeeally good if it continues like this ladies its gonna be one of the ult superior ones of this year... a tough wait till next monday
also sorry if my wording is bad but i just watched the episode so still kinda losing it
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Jul 28, 4:19 PM
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No, no, no. AOTY will go to My Hero Academia because Crunchylawl says so.


Till now my AOTY ranking:
1. SnK s03 part II (the clear favourite)
2. Mob Psycho 100 s02
3/4. 7DS part 3 (if adapted well because it contains maybe fight of the year)
4/3. Vinland Saga
5. Kimitsu no Yaiba
6. BnHA s04 (let's see what bones do)

Lmao Take 3 7DS off if their I know damn well A1 shit sauce will fuck it up and focus their attention on SAO.
 
Jul 28, 4:20 PM

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RIP Thors.

I’m really liking askelad so far. Even after Thors took all those arrows, he respected him.
 
Jul 28, 4:22 PM

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I'm so excited to see each episode being adapted faithfully.

Portrayed Thor so well, and that look Thorfin had near the end.

Epicness is on it's way.
 
Jul 28, 4:31 PM
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Am i the only one underwhelmed by thor's death ? I mean even Ned Stark wasn't as trusting and "honorable" as he is ! I felt his reaction was completely unrealistic, considering that by accepting death he put his comrades and son's life on the line, putting their fate in the hands of hostile strangers.


Thorfinn breakdon at the end was cool though.
 
Jul 28, 4:32 PM
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After 3 episodes of boredom.. i finally see a light in this series...

Hope more action and less *armin* tears...
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Jul 28, 4:41 PM

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bruh....that's all I got to say
Don't believe the hype.
 
Jul 28, 4:51 PM

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After 3 episodes of boredom.. i finally see a light in this series...

Hope more action and less *armin* tears...


If you want 100% action and don't really care about anything else , then this is not the show for you man. Action is an important part of the series, yes, but the story itself takes center stage, especially after a certain turning point later on.
 
Jul 28, 5:00 PM

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Great episode. Im enjoying this anime fully even though I had read the manga. Music adds a lot for example in that that scene when Asceladd admires Thors and propose leadership to him.

 
Jul 28, 5:03 PM

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Great episode, very interesting fight and a great ending with the protagonist's proclamation of seeking vengeance. My only complaint would be that I personally find the pacing to be a bit slow, particularly in this episode, however I'm sure that I'll get used to it as the series progresses.
 
Jul 28, 5:47 PM

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After taking a long break, here it is! The latest episode covers the death of Thors, he really made a sacrifice to save his son from being ambushed by the people of Askeladd. Those eyes of Thorfinn, they filled with anger, seeking for revenge after for what they did to his father. Great episode as always.
 
Jul 28, 6:12 PM

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RIP Thors. He was a cool guy. Hopefully Thorfinn gives Askeladd what's coming to him.

 
Jul 28, 6:24 PM

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I had the feeling these 3 weeks separating the previous episodes from this one would never end... a small eternity has passed.

But it was honestly worth the wait : a great show leaded by the powerful Thors ! Even if his death was pretty obvious, as well as the non-respect of duel's rules by the opposite side, they still delivered a real full bad ass moment, going from the beginning to the very ending, with a death that hardly caught him.

Thorfinn's development will be extremely rich & interesting, I can feel it.
 
Jul 28, 6:31 PM
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Finally, I've been craving the next episode of this so badly.

I had a feeling this was the week we see Thors' final stand. He was a better man than anyone, he went out the most respectable and honorable way possible, through an act of selflessness against an enemy that we all knew was never going to play by the rules.

Now because of his death we finally see Thorfinn's transformation, from a naive child full of hope into someone bent on revenge. It was all executed beautifully. The fight choreography in this really stands out. The cinematic feel is undeniable as well.

Now I'm anxious to see exactly where this is headed. I knew Thors was going to die and Thorfinn's story would be centered around revenge for his father, but other than that, I've kept myself in the dark about anything else. Next week should be really interesting.

So glad we're going to back to regular weekly episodes.
 
Jul 28, 6:38 PM

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What an annoying little kid. Why did your dad have to die? Cause of you, little brat.
 
Jul 28, 6:41 PM
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Small detail, when Askellad accepts the duel he introduces himself as 'son of Olaf' and in name of Odin. But when he swears to let everyone go he swears in name of his ancestor Artorius.
 
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What an annoying little kid. Why did your dad have to die? Cause of you, little brat.


Kinda unfair saying that, seeing as the kid was not alone at the back of the ship, it was not Thorfinn's fault. Plus he knew he was going to die the moment Floki appeared on the island.
 
Jul 28, 6:49 PM

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Compared to mostly down to earth previous episodes this one seemed almost cartonish. It was really obvious story transition so what matters is where this series will go from here.
 
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muito bom episodio
 
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I mean... What the fuck were the crew doing not holding the damn child in place? One moment they are pinning him down, next moment during the DUEL they let him go to run around. That kid and this scenario as a result of the kid pisses me tf off, especially cause I liked Thors. Hopefully the son becomes a likeable main character and also realise everything was 1000% his fault.

on a quick note, when the kid popped up of the barrel, they could have just turned the ship around and put him back on the village. Would've just been a slight inconvenience
 
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Calling Thors a man of honor is an understatement.

He went out like a true warrior.

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I mean... What the fuck were the crew doing not holding the damn child in place? One moment they are pinning him down, next moment during the DUEL they let him go to run around. That kid and this scenario as a result of the kid pisses me tf off, especially cause I liked Thors. Hopefully the son becomes a likeable main character and also realise everything was 1000% his fault.

on a quick note, when the kid popped up of the barrel, they could have just turned the ship around and put him back on the village. Would've just been a slight inconvenience


You probably gonna hate thorfinn for a while, then you'll like him probably as much or more than Thors, i just hope those 24 episodes will go far enough for that.
 
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I know this is too soon but I don't see how any anime that came out or will come out in 2019 can top what this show accomplished in 4 episodes, also knowing that it will only get better in the next episodes. Anime of the year folks.
 
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That episode was the definition of perfection holy crap.
 
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The narrative of this episode was one of the most unoriginal storylines I have ever seen, and yet I still liked it for some reason. The execution of this show is amazing considering they managed to make even the most predictable scenes seem interesting.

That was really a tough situation for Thors, though... The way I see it, that was probably a good outcome for him. He said himself that he wouldn't be able to protect everyone if it turned into a free-for-all, and he also does not want to kill anyone on top of that. The archers were camping out above the hills too, and Thors can't really do anything about them. The best result would have been if Askeladd actually honored the terms of the duel and left like he was supposed to, but at least he listened to Thors' last request and let the others go, I guess.

The thing I don't understand is how Thorfinn managed to stow away again. The fuck was Leif and the rest of them doing? Thors literally died for them and they couldn't even keep track of his son?


What's the difference?
 
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After 3 episodes of boredom.. i finally see a light in this series...

Hope more action and less *armin* tears...


If you want 100% action and don't really care about anything else , then this is not the show for you man. Action is an important part of the series, yes, but the story itself takes center stage, especially after a certain turning point later on.


I know, but u dont need to be a mastermind to make some good pilot/first episodes...

They werent bad, but neither entertaining.
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Everybody talking shit about Thorfinn. Just wait until he becomes the absolute badass madman dual-dagger armed unit that he was at chapter 1 in the manga. If a flashback arc is this good, it will be spectacular when the real story kicks in.
 
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I mean... What the fuck were the crew doing not holding the damn child in place? One moment they are pinning him down, next moment during the DUEL they let him go to run around. That kid and this scenario as a result of the kid pisses me tf off, especially cause I liked Thors. Hopefully the son becomes a likeable main character and also realise everything was 1000% his fault.

on a quick note, when the kid popped up of the barrel, they could have just turned the ship around and put him back on the village. Would've just been a slight inconvenience
Nah, it change nothing, even if thorfinn was not there atm, Thors would've still sacrifice himself to save his friends.
 
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What an annoying little kid. Why did your dad have to die? Cause of you, little brat.



Thors was meant to die anyways.
 
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The moment Thors' kid snuck in with them I knew he'll die via using his kid against him, glad to know this cliche is still strong, that being said the one that I didn't expect was how naive Thors was for sacrificing himself for them when the bastard he fought literally didnt give a shit about codes and stuffs, how he believed he'll go through with not murdering everyone even after killing him is beyond me, he's op af he could have incapacitated them all if he wanted but nope.
Don't know, nothing really impressed me this episode. I blame people who overhyped this too much and gave me too much expectations for it.

I get that this is Thorfin's story and he needed to have a good motive for this to become a revenge story but damn... at least don't make it look too dumb. Just got in and already not feeling Thorfin's backstory.

Am I over reacting? maybe. I didn't want Thors to die in such a dumb way but whatever. Hopefully Thorfin becomes a badass like his dad.


Seriously. I will repeat this to these people again and again. Askeladd has archers atop the cliff. If he just cared about the result he wouldn't even humour Thor's proposal, and Thors know that. There is no way Thors could get out of this alive or save anyone if a brawl really broke out when there are archers ready to snipe them and Thors has to fight Askeladd when his crew could go on the slaughter. Askeladd has his own reason for the duel. It's clear that both of them can read each other as a person. And for the most part Thors is correct. If Bjorn didn't butt in Askeladd would have honoured the duel. And it should be obvious that what he passed off as a joke isn't a joke at all.

Thors chose to sacrifice himself because he knows Askeladd wouldn't hurt his son now. From the start he knows he's going to die on the journey, he just didn't want the kids or Leif amd his crew involved.

I do udnerstand though. In part this is the anime fault by telling events out of order. The anime only watcher never get to see Askeladd's talk about reading people before this fight.
 
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you know a character is the manliest of men when he dies standing up.
makes you wonder how different the story woulda been if Thorfinn didnt sneak into the boat, we would either have no series or have the Adventure of Thors! lol
 
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