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Aug 17, 1:43 AM

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SheevPalpatine said:
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To be fair, I think Eren's progression after S3P2 removes it from being a "flaw", as his character actually develops from the once "I want all titans to die!" whiny boy from the first season.
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To be fair, I think Eren's progression after S3P2 removes it from being a "flaw", as his character actually develops from the once "I want all titans to die!" whiny boy from the first season.


It is not a character development when after a time skip, a character behaves completely different than before the time skip. Isayama literally left out the development part of the character, we can only see the result of that development. Which is terrible and cheap writing in my eyes, and shows Isayama's mediocrity as a writer.


You posted this in manga section as well, I replied with two video links did you watch them. Its not Isayama's medicrity as a writer, its your brain's medicority to be not able to understand character development. For your reference here are the links again


Man, I've seen you so many times trying to point this out and say isayama is average writer just what do you think of yourself, there are so many people who are praising the current arc more than any previous one for everything including characters, but here you are thinking of yourself some god damn judge whose judgement of series is absoulte, I know your favourite is steins gate, you think steins gate is perfect in all aspect but there is a thread in steins gate forum Why steins gate is so popular you can literally see many people pointing out flaws and reasons why they don't find steins gate that good, now its upto individual what they like or not just don't try to force the mediocrity tag on a brilliant writer just because you are not able to understand something or you don't like something.


In all honesty, you are the only one I have seen to say Eren is behaving out of character, while most of the readers can see his development and actually appreciate it. If you actually go through video's you will be able to see how the world around him constantly manipulated and changed him to what he is now and don't say that development phase was the period of time skip, that period was totally irrelevant and does not contribute that's only why it is skipped, he has constant character growth throughout the series which you clearly fail to see.
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To all those people who think eren does not get character development throughout S1, S2 or even S3 here is an awesome, well thought out and nicely articulated analysis of eren's character till S3 part 2 done by a reddit user. Hopefully you may realise that eren actually had good character development throughout series and many people fails to realise it because of its subtle nature.

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Eren Jaeger, Jaeger Bombastic, Jaegerbomb, Suicidal Bastard, Attack Titan, Edge Lord - he is a man of many names. Eren's character progression is quite possibly the best in the series, but for some reason, people choose to either ignore it, or not see it at all. It's really uncalled for, as the main character of our beloved series is quite possibly the most misunderstood and undeservedly hated character in Attack on Titan. Today, I'm here to change that.

In this post, I will go through his long and big character development and try to make you see what you could've possibly missed while reading. However, before I get into it, there is a certain matter I have to cover first, and this matter is the fact that Eren died. Multiple times. This analysis will be divided into many versions of Eren's character and cover them each individually, before coming to a conclusion at the very end. I will be going with the series' progression, so stuff from early chapters will be found at the beginning, and the rest down below.

It is also important to note, that vast majority of everything covered in this post happens in the timespan of 3 months. This alone should tell you how great and complex these changes are. Changing this much and this many times in just 12 weeks is a rather impressive feat, and I'm here to help you see it.

So, without stretching it up too much, let's go.

The Child
Although we haven't seen too much of Eren as a child, the scenes that have been given to us give us a pretty good picture of what he used to be in his early years. In the very first ten minutes since his introduction, we get to know that he is stubborn, brave, a slow learner and is sick of being caged up behind the walls. However, we also get to know that he has a big dream, which he was infected with by his best friend, Armin. Seeing outside world is the main reason for his admiration of Survey Corps, which puts him on uneven terms with his mother, Carla, and even Mikasa, and is a character trait that sticks to him for years to come. His unwillingness to listen to other people and his stubborn, selfish nature is what makes people cross with him, as told by many people around him, such as Hannes, Grisha and even Armin. Still, Eren as a child is pretty much a normal kid with an abnormal dream, that makes him stand out from others, but does not render him unable to ever accomplish it. His dream of seeing the outside world can be achieved by joining the Survey Corps (which he ultimately ends up doing) and he stubbornly decides to make it happen. Just how a kid would kick the ground and say to their parents, that they will become a football player, despite being told otherwise. All of these traits are normal for a child of his age, and are nothing out of the ordinary.

Until we go one year back. Episode 6 is quite possibly one of the most disturbing episodes for almost every first time watcher of the series, and for a good reason. It's not every day we see a nine-year-old stab someone's face dozens of times without any remorse. But, let's start from the beginning.

The main reason Eren wanted to save Mikasa, was because of his main belief, the one thing he would stand for until his last breath, was that people deserved freedom, the idea that he embodied. Because Mikasa's freedom was taken away from her after losing her parents and being kidnapped, his instincts kicked in and his main purpose was saving her life. He was focused on doing everything in his power to save this girl, and he did. He killed two adult men in cold blood and encouraged the innocent, sweet Mikasa to do the same to the third one, whilst at the same time helping her understand the truth of the world, the truth that the weak will inevitably be devoured if they do not fight for their rights.

The main reason he was able to achieve that, was connecting into a state of denial, that gave him the strength and resolve to pull it off. He refused to believe the people he had slain were human, and ended up believing that they weren't. "I have put down dangerous beasts covered in human skin!" was his excuse when he was confronted by his worried and enraged father. It is important to note, that his ability to switch between his mindsets is beyond creepy and unusual. Being capable of killing people and then acting like a normal kid few seconds later is simply not normal. No matter how we look at it, that is not a typical behavior a child should showcase. Eren's small hints of sociopathy are a trait that accompany him throughout his entire life, and the very fact he showed them this early into his life is beyond troubling. This is also the main reason Grisha was starting to become wary of his second son. His experience with Zeke taught him a valuable lesson, and seeing Eren start to walk down the same path as his older brother put a burden on the man's back. Until Eren started to cry.

Despite being violent and disturbing, Eren's intentions were pure and selfless. He wanted to save this girl's life. He fought for his beliefs and shared them with the very person he saved. He was able to reach out to a broken little soul that needed soothing and accepted her into his very own home right off the bat, despite being unable to make any friends, other than Armin. This cemented Eren as a person willing to get their hands dirty in order to do what they think is right.

The death of Child Eren is brutal. Being forced to watch your mother being devoured is bound to have negative effects on one's mind, and it did turn out like that with our little sociopath. All of his anger of being locked up behind the walls was finally pointed in one direction, filling him up with a sense of vengeance and will to destroy. In 845 the Child died, and the Brat was born.

The Brat
Without question the most annoying, obnoxious, irritating, frustrating and simply unlikeable version of Eren's character. Unfortunately, it is also the pillar of majority of the hatred aimed at his character.

I think we can all agree that Season 1 Eren is a little annoying bitch full of edge. No question in denying it. After the fall of Wall Maria, Eren is driven by thirst for revenge, justice and selfish sense of duty, that he develops at the price of pushing away literally everyone, even those closest to him. His jealousy of Mikasa's genetifically modified genius natural talent makes him abusive towards her, something that makes people frown upon him quite often. His inability to accept that other people have different beliefs than him puts him on the edge with the likes of Jean. And truth to be told, Jean has every reason to hate Eren for that. His constant speeches about humanity beating titans are delusional and selfish, and grant him the nickname he was famous for throughout his entire career in Training Corps.

Despite not having any natural talents other than his titan roids boosting his scores he grinds his way up the ranking and graduates a 5th strongest in his division. Obviously, his first decision as a graduate is to join the Survey Corps, where he's being followed by his closest friends, much to his annoyance and ignorance of their feelings. However, despite having his vision clouded by revenge, his dream of seeing the outside world is still peeking little rays of sunlight into his thick skull.

His part in battle of Trost was short, but memorable, once again thanks to his obnoxious nature. Although he manages to motivate Jean in his own, Eren way, he once again treats Mikasa like shit and misinterprets her intentions. His blind rage and terrible sense of teamwork and judgment send his entire squad to death, along with getting himself swallowed. This is also when he first realises he has his titan powers and that applies a small change into his character.

Despite hating the titans with all of his heart, he never once shows any sort of disgust towards himself for being the very thing he aimed to destroy. Whether it is a good or bad thing, is not up to me. Personally, I am glad we were not given the "self-loathing arc". The fact he was capable of sucking it in for the benefit of humanity is one of the very few redeeming qualities this portrayal of his character has to offer. This shows that his interest in killing the titans is not entirely selfish, but is aimed at the future of humanity as a whole. Even during his trial, he (once again) opens his mouth when not asked and tells the people present in the court to "leave everything to him", so that he could focus on pushing through his hardships, now as a titan, so that humanity can prevail.

One of the other redeeming qualities Brat Eren has, is his respect for chain of command. While he talks shit to everybody that is on even terms as he is, he shows utmost respect to his superiors and comes close to licking their ass while he's at it. His time spent in Levi Squad slightly humbles him, and imprints an important lesson, that he keeps to his heart for years to come. Their presence in his life creates a small block, that separates his thirst for vengeance and titan's demise from his previous, normal self. Their loss to the Female Titan break this little block, however, and floods out on the very culprit. Besides traumatizing him for life, this event shows us one of the most important aspects of his character: rage does not work in Eren's favor.

Blinded by rage, he loses to Annie horribly, and in result is taken away, marking the beginning of his many kidnappings. Although he is later taken back, it costs Levi his ability to walk properly for a short while, which later causes even more harm. When he finds out about the identity of the Female Titan, he is speechless, he is rendered unable to speak. Annie was one of the few people he could get along with in his training days, and was the very person who motivated him to give his best and learn how to fight. When confronted and forced to face her for the second time, he is still unable to grasp the reality of the situation. For the first time in his life, he tastes betrayal, and the taste renders him unable to swallow it. Even Mikasa, whose patience towards him was angelic, loses her temper and confronts him about it, resulting in quite possibly the first conflict between the two started by the female. But even then, he is unsure of what to do. He reaches out for advice to his best friends, who throw his own words back at him. This makes him realise, that he was not putting his own beliefs into practice, and once again fills him with anger, but this time, it is controlled.

Despite being beaten by Annie in single combat once again, by working together with others, Eren defeats Annie and successfully captures one of the main enemies of humanity creeping inside of the walls. Only to realise it was just the tip of the iceberg.

Bertholt and Reigner's betrayal was one of the most impactful events in Eren's life. People he had considered brothers turned out to be the very people who put him through misery years back. However, the experience he gained few days prior with Annie, along with the intel presented to him few hours before the reveal help him get through it and avoid the mistake he made in Wall Sina. Still, that does not prevent him from making the mistake of allowing himself to be blinded by rage. He once again ignores Mikasa and others and repeatedly continues to charge at Reigner. As he continues to get shredded, he remembers something, and it brings new light to his character: his ability to use what he'd learned from his enemies and throwing it back at them. His newly found calmness allows him to almost defeat the Armored Titan. Until Bertholt threw a wrench in his plans.

The confrontation in the forest allows Eren to fully express his built up hatred, and aim it at the right people. This action is crucial, and is one of the main points of his development as a character. Unable to understand Reigner, Brat Eren shows his true colors, promising both Reigner and Bertholt a slow, agonizing death, a promise that had been half fulfilled. These few sentences cause Ymir to lose all of her faith in him and lead up to her siding up with RB, showing us that his vengeful personality has, and never had any impact what so ever. However, despite being an obnoxious nuisance, Eren was capable of putting his experience into practice, and tried to buy as much time as possible, which was necessary for the arrival of Survey Corps.

His confrontation with the Smiling Titan is the absolute pinnacle of his grim past. In one day, he has met all the people who stole everything previous from him, and he's had enough. Hanness' death breaks his spirit and reminds him, that against his previous judgment, he hadn't changed at all, and is still as useless as before. And, like for the past 6 years, Mikasa is there to support him. Her words shake him to the core and remind him of an old promise he made to his dead mother. For possibly the first time in years, Eren notices the importance of Mikasa's presence in his life and that gives him enough strength for one last push, which ends up saving their lives.

This event is huge, as it holds great meaning to his character. Up until now, his treatment of Mikasa was borderline abusive and uncalled for. His jealousy of her skills made him not only push her away, but cause her a lot of pain as well. After the events of Chapter 50, his attitude towards her changes, and it is greatly noticeable. His approach to other people changes for the better as well, and it is one of the most important changes to his character. He stopped treating people like shit and they returned the favor, resulting in the development of multiple relationships at the same time.

Chapter 50 marked not only the death of Hannes, Dina, and many other soldiers, but also Brat Eren. Or so it looked like.

The Young Man With Too Much Burden On His Shoulders
After running away from RB and the titans, Eren is hit with realisation of how much weight his life has. Erwin's arm, Hannes' life, along with over 100 dead soldiers, sacrificed to bring him back home - all of this weighs on him like a giant, iron ball. He thanks Jean for helping him see it, something he'd never do weeks earlier and promises not to waver ever again.

This little action alone shows us the difference between this Eren, and Eren from a few weeks ago. Back in the day, Eren would never thank the likes of Jean, and he'd rather whine about all the lives lost because of him, than take it onto his shoulders and endure. This, however, causes him to subconsciously start to think of himself as special. He notes, that he started to consider lives lost for his sake as "an unavoidable event", admitting that he thought the same of his titan powers, and that made him consider himself weak.

The importance of his life continues to put heavier and heavier burden onto his back throughout the entirety of Uprising Arc. He spends majority of the arc in hiding or in binds, as people continued to die for his sake, pushing him down the hole of depression that will hold a great meaning to his person in the near future.

Historia is the person who helps him go through these hardships, and is a pillar of understandment that he really needed. When confronted about his father's sins, he breaks down. Rod Reiss' manipulation results in success and for the first time in his life, Eren gives up. He gives up on his dreams of seeing the outside world, along with his ambitions of ridding the world of titans and allows the giant burden on his heart to swallow him. He takes the blame for everything that happened during the past five years and selfishly begs Historia to eat him and end his misery, at the same time trying to cover it with the benefit of humanity.

This breakdown greatly angers Historia, who had previously admitted to being envious of Eren. She was jealous of his ability to push through and know what to do and how to get it, showing that his actions had influence on other people. His crying was the complete opposite of what she'd seen him as, and she calls him out on it.

Not even a moment later, he is forced to once again make a decision, a decision that haunted him ever since the 57th Expedition - whether to trust in his own power, or the power of his friends. Previously, the latter ended up in deaths of Levi Squad, an event that left a huge scar on his soul. After learning of eating his own father, who was responsible for the death of the entire Reiss family, Eren's mental state is on its brink. However, despite that, he is able to put enough faith in his own ability to once again welcome the burden with open arms and handle it, for a moment becoming the man Historia admitted to admiring.

Previously, although he never wanted to admit it, Eren vowed to do things without any sort of confidence or plan. He nodded his head and yelled "I will do it!", but every time he did that, he was panicked. This scenario was present during Battle for Trost, Battle in Stohess and during the experiments with Hange. All of them had initially failed, but not this time. As he cried out in desperation and begged his friends to give him one, final chance, he successfully puts his newly acquired powers of hardening into use and not only saves his friends from imminent death, but becomes the symbol of hope he was meant to be. Despite saving himself and others thanks to huge amount of luck, his willingness to bet everything on himself allowed him to pull through. But that is something that he has yet to realise on his own.

Even after running away from the chapel, Eren is still focused on being eaten by Historia, an idea that she herself has to knock out of his head. Regardless of what he accomplished in the chapel, Eren's mental state is at its lowest, which leaves him doubtful of every single one of his actions. He considers himself nobody, laughing at his previous thoughts of being special, feeling sorry for humanity that its only savior is someone like him. What gets him out of this is his grim past, and he finally grows tired of himself. Despite being seemingly long gone, he punches himself in order to get rid ot "The Brat", someone that continued to shackle him, even after his death.Now, with his old self finally gone, he was finally able to start anew and move forward in order to become what humanity strived him to be.

After the events in Orvud District, Eren focuses on regaining Wall Maria. Now, with his freshly found resolve and means to pull it off, he gains a new sense of confidence. When confronted with the possibility of meeting Reigner and Bertholt, he calmly states that his duty is to kill them. Despite being of the same context, this little exchange between him and Historia holds a lot of meaning. Previously, he expressed nothing but hatred and disgust towards RB, yelling and screeching about slaughtering them, but now, although still hateful, he is able to push his hatred aside and keep it in check, at the same time turning it into a sense of purpose that has to be fulfilled for humanity as a whole.

Chapter 71 gives us the official confirmation that Eren was never special, but a normal human dragged onto a special path. His powers were special, not him, and his previous feeling of being something else was indeed delusional. Because of this, he was burndened with having to carry a special power, without being one himself. His conversation is one of the major points in his development, as he is finally able to stop thinking about himself as someone unique, and it gives him the drive to become stronger as a person.

His brawl with Jean in Chapter 72 holds much more meaning than people realise. Not only does he show concern over Jean, a person he used to hate with all his guts, he also genuinely accepts his opinions and is willing to accept Mikasa's help, only to later show disappointment when she tells him she didn't see any need to give it to him. This is a complete 180 from what we used to see back in Season 1, where he absolutely refused to receive any sort of help from her. He openly admits to Mikasa of being jealous of both her and Levi. He says he spent way too much time on pointless worrying, and admits a major fact that accompanied him throughout the series up to this point - that no matter how strong we are, we cannot achieve anything on our own. We need other people.

It took him 72 chapters to realise, that the reason he was able to get so far was because of support and lessons he received from other people:

Grisha gave him the Attack Titan, which helped him survive many obstacles

Carla helped him see the importance of Mikasa's presence in his life

Mikasa was by his side and continued to support him, no matter how hard he tried to push her away

Armin, just like Mikasa was by his side during all his hardships and gave him a dream he continued to live for

Annie taught him how to fight

Reigner told him, that in order to achieve our goals we have no choice but to push forward, and fight for it with all we've got

Levi taught him a valuable lesson, that there are no right decisions and they can all turn into hell, no matter what we choose

Jean helped him see the importance and value of his own life

Historia helped him see through the manipulation of Rod Reiss and see just how weak he was, which filled him with new sense of strength and purpose

All of these lessons have become a part of Eren, molding his personality into a mix of all the people he admired, finally preparing him for what he'd been training for years. Retaking his home.

The Expedition once again shows us little details, that hold really great significance, mostly resolved around his relationship with Mikasa and Armin. He openly apologizes to Mikasa for burdening her with leading his horse, something unimaginable 3 months back. When faced with the size of the operation he was about to carry out, once again, he is starting to doubt himself, only to have Armin calm him down and strengthen his belief about the importance of having other people around.

His confrontation with Reigner and Bertholt is the ultimate test of all the development he had as a character up to this point. Although despising them, he was able to keep his emotions in check and not let them get the better of him, which allowed him to finally showcase his true power, which he used to single handedly defeat Reigner in combat. Despite being interrupted, he had enough time to show us, that although his burning desire to kill people responsible for the death of his mother is still strong, he has full control over it and no longer allows it to cloud his judgment. This marks yet another aspect of Eren's growth as a character. His anger issues were quite possibly the main issue of his character back in early chapters, and seeing them finally fixed and in check nails Eren as a completely new man.

Even when faced with Armin's apparent death, he was able to accept it, and only when given a small light of hope did he slightly revert to his previous, selfish self. I will not talk about serumbowl in here, as this topic is way too sensitive and milked, but what I will state, is that the only reason Eren was willing to fight Levi for the serum, was because he was given a small ray of hope, that was then snatched with Floch's arrival. Put yourselves in this situation and draw the conclusion on your own. I'm pretty sure you will find the reason of Eren's short regression into his childlike self.

The basement reveal has cemented yet another major change in Eren's character. The truth about the world, combined with Grisha's memories starting to trigger in his mind greatly cripple his mental health. He is unable to recognize the difference between scenes in his head and reality, which is noticed by those close to him.

When confronted by Floch, we get to see a glimpse of his old, bratty self, however it is only faint. His defensive mechanism kicked in, in order to justify Levi's choice to himself, not Floch, even though Armin himself admitted to being the inferior choice. He was trying to convince himself that his reason to fight was right.

Despite maturing greatly and changing for the better, the way he used to be in the past will always accompany him. No matter how much we change, we do not become a different person, we evolve. That applies to Eren, who still has some of his old traits, but they are sharply kept in check and unlike before, are shown occasionally and briefly.

Despite being eager to do anything for humanity, Eren decides to keep his conclusions regarding Historia and Coordinate to himself, selfishly keeping her alive. Whether it is a good or bad decision is not really up to me, but it shows that he's started to consider all possible options without jumping to conclusions like he did before. Thinking about other people and their wellbeing, showing bits of understandment and compassion is a trait that is one of the strongest points of his next step in his evolution, but I'll get to that later.

Depression is a hard topic. I am by no means a doctor, and I do not intend on pushing my view onto you guys, but if you were to ask me, Eren shows clear signs of depression in Chapter 90. All of the events that happened since the loss of his home kept building up in his heart, until he was no longer able to cope with them. When he finally gets to see the ocean, something that kept him alive up to this point, he cannot muster any signs of happiness. Instead, he focuses on the enemy beyond this beautiful body of water and asks Armin "Do we really have to spill blood in order to be free?". He is tired of fighting, death, misery. The freedom he's been striving so hard to get overwhelms him with its price, and it does not go unnoticed by Armin.

Eren's mood spoils the joy of Armin and Mikasa, who express genuine concern over Eren's state of health and his mindset. They were forced to watch their life-long friend change drastically in a very short timespan and adapt to these changes in order to be able to support him on his way. For past 6 years, Eren was nothing but a giant cause of anxiety and worry for his two best friends, but even then, they still supported him with everything they had. This proves that despite his many flaws, Eren has always been someone worth of putting their trust in, and to some degree, it was worth it.

Eren managed to cleanse Paradis from titans, something he swore to do at the age of 10. He allowed both Armin and Mikasa to see the ocean, just how he promised to. He proved to everyone who put a brick in his success, that he was indeed worth betting on.

 
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Most people complain about the character development. People who complain about the story being predictable are just looking for a fight. They should read the manga and try to predict the next chapter.

But to justify the character development, the plot makes the character development seem extremely lackluster while in reality the development is extremely solid and realistic. Take for example Armin.

Armin in the beginning of the series was a bright kid who cried over everything. Now he's the God of Destruction in essence.

Eren for example, he was a kid who used to just whine about all the time for freedom. Now look, he couldn't even muster any happiness when finally achieving that childhood dream that he and Armin had.
 
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@attacktitan_01 one thing you should get is that you can never change someone's opinion that easily even if they're incorrect.
 
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@attacktitan_01 one thing you should get is that you can never change someone's opinion that easily even if they're incorrect.


I understand that people's opinion can not be changed easily, but it would be good if people state their opinion and not try to make facts out of their opinion.

SheevPalpatine continues to try to force his opinion as fact. He started a thread in manga section Why chapters after 91 are all worst, they may be not as he wished them to be but straight out declaring they are worst when most in the community actually feel otherwise, in the thread also he tried to make plotholes out of his assumptions and lack of understanding or questions that will be sooner or later answered. He keeps accusing eren to be out of character when he doesn't understand the development and point it out as Isayama's mediocrity, seriously like who the hell are you actually to judge him as a mediocre writer.
 
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@attacktitan_01 I tend to avoid people who think their opinion is a fact, attack on titan isn't really my favorite manga but I still enjoy reading it, even though I didn't like few stuff which happen in the current arc. It's still far from being awful and i hope it gets a praise worthy ending.
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shingeky no kyojin most anime in world
 
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@attacktitan_01 well thats one big post and i have to say these are some good arguments but they bascially don't matter.

I wanna SEE my Character change, the whole Character development in the show is so subtle you can only see it with alot of imagination. If i would show a guy that never saw the show a few scenes of the Eren in Season 3 p 2 and the early eren they wouldnt notice a diffrence.

Character development needs to be clear and we need to SEE the Character change, if not it happens to suddenly and its not good writing.

 
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Mullerio said:
@attacktitan_01 well thats one big post and i have to say these are some good arguments but they bascially don't matter.

I wanna SEE my Character change, the whole Character development in the show is so subtle you can only see it with alot of imagination. If i would show a guy that never saw the show a few scenes of the Eren in Season 3 p 2 and the early eren they wouldnt notice a diffrence.

Character development needs to be clear and we need to SEE the Character change, if not it happens to suddenly and its not good writing.


Well, that's what you like, however I am fine with the presented characterization since I see attack on titan as a plot driven series where plot drives the characters and not character-driven where characters drive the plot so I have no problem with subtle character development. However, from S1 and S2 to S3 part 1 and part 2 there are instances I belive which clearly distinguish brat eren from mature eren.
 
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Levi has barely any screen time
 
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attacktitan_01 said:
Mullerio said:
@attacktitan_01 well thats one big post and i have to say these are some good arguments but they bascially don't matter.

I wanna SEE my Character change, the whole Character development in the show is so subtle you can only see it with alot of imagination. If i would show a guy that never saw the show a few scenes of the Eren in Season 3 p 2 and the early eren they wouldnt notice a diffrence.

Character development needs to be clear and we need to SEE the Character change, if not it happens to suddenly and its not good writing.


Well, that's what you like, however I am fine with the presented characterization since I see attack on titan as a plot driven series where plot drives the characters and not character-driven where characters drive the plot so I have no problem with subtle character development. However, from S1 and S2 to S3 part 1 and part 2 there are instances I belive which clearly distinguish brat eren from mature eren.


Yea....ill stick with "Characters are the Story" , i dont think the Worldbuilding of Shingeki is strong enough to make up for the subtile development of its Characters , not my typa story i guess.

 
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Mullerio said:
@attacktitan_01 well thats one big post and i have to say these are some good arguments but they bascially don't matter.

I wanna SEE my Character change, the whole Character development in the show is so subtle you can only see it with alot of imagination. If i would show a guy that never saw the show a few scenes of the Eren in Season 3 p 2 and the early eren they wouldnt notice a diffrence.

Character development needs to be clear and we need to SEE the Character change, if not it happens to suddenly and its not good writing.


Eren had character development in season 1, middle of season 3 part 1 and at the end of season 3 part 2 but he is almost a supporting character most of the time. I don't love Eren but I don't feel the necessity of loving him. He is just a 15 year old kid whose father injected him with the founding titan power. There is nothing really special about Eren but there is nothing bad about him either. His personality and psychologic profile make sense and are realistic (except when he started punching himself in season 3 part 1, that was cringy af) which is something I don't see in many shonen protagonists
 
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Most people complain about the character development. People who complain about the story being predictable are just looking for a fight. They should read the manga and try to predict the next chapter.

But to justify the character development, the plot makes the character development seem extremely lackluster while in reality the development is extremely solid and realistic. Take for example Armin.

Armin in the beginning of the series was a bright kid who cried over everything. Now he's the God of Destruction in essence.

Eren for example, he was a kid who used to just whine about all the time for freedom. Now look, he couldn't even muster any happiness when finally achieving that childhood dream that he and Armin had.


The character development is subtle and not in your face like a lot of series. But it will be apparent once we reach season 4, especially with Eren.


Mullerio said:
@attacktitan_01 well thats one big post and i have to say these are some good arguments but they bascially don't matter.

I wanna SEE my Character change, the whole Character development in the show is so subtle you can only see it with alot of imagination. If i would show a guy that never saw the show a few scenes of the Eren in Season 3 p 2 and the early eren they wouldnt notice a diffrence.

Character development needs to be clear and we need to SEE the Character change, if not it happens to suddenly and its not good writing.


I disagree, show them 1st season Eren that is hotheaded and only scream about killing all titans vs, more calm and collective Eren that now look at the titans as a patriot rather than a Enemy, that is clear as night of his character development.

It just takes time and as you say it is subtle, but eventually it would be very obvious. Eren character and mindset had to change after finding out the truth in the basement that is literally what changes Eren character and moral.

kill all titans, to now looking at the titans as one of his people is character development because early on in the series his character was all about revenge and killing all the titans, his attitude towards titans and his overall goal has change to now, saving his people.

I was in different about Eren, didn't like him but didn't hate him either, my favorite characters back in season 1 was Annie and Ymir and Reiner to some extend, I actually liked the titan shifter characters more because they had mysterious surrounding them and that they were morally "grey".



imo Eren character development is the best in the series and I am happy that it happen to no other than the main character himself. Once anime only watch the final season of snk and if they ever rewatch season 1 they will see how different he is now than what he was in the past. I have said it before if people rewatch snk especially after finishing the series you will actually appreciate the series more.


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attacktitan_01 said:


Well, that's what you like, however I am fine with the presented characterization since I see attack on titan as a plot driven series where plot drives the characters and not character-driven where characters drive the plot so I have no problem with subtle character development. However, from S1 and S2 to S3 part 1 and part 2 there are instances I belive which clearly distinguish brat eren from mature eren.


Yea....ill stick with "Characters are the Story" , i dont think the Worldbuilding of Shingeki is strong enough to make up for the subtile development of its Characters , not my typa story i guess.


Now while I will admit that not all entire cast of characters are developed well, but you have to keep in mind that snk is a plot driven series, not a character driven series, the plot drive the series not the characters, the main focus is the plot and the mysteries of the plot, for the past 3 seasons the characters were always in the dark trying to find out the truth of this world. Now that they have found out the truth of this world the series has slightly change a bit to more of a character driven with the plot driven part has kinda gone to the side, there is still mysteries in the series but that is not enough to drive the plot anymore and that is where Eren and Zeke and the remaining characters comes into play, they are not driving the plot, especially Eren and Zeke and you are now getting more time to understand these characters, Isayama said it perfectly, Eren was a slave to the plot, but he is now the one moving the plot

Just have to remind you that this was for the most part a plot driven series, it was all about the plot and finding out the truth of this world, so yes that is a valid excuse why why a lot of the characters didn't get more development and why it would be unfair to criticize a series for not being what it wasn't going for in the first place, but imo it has done a decent job with the cast and it is even doing a good job now that it is not really plot driven anymore, like how you see characters like[spoiler] Mikasa now taking her own path, leaving her scarf behind for example[/b]

And even when it was on a plot driven phase Isayama still at least give some characters back story like Mikasa, sasha, Connie etc, but he couldn't have like 5 straight chapters focusing on a character story etc, because that would slow down the plot, people will complain that he is dragging the story, when chapter that focus on sasha back in chapter 35 I believe a lot of persons were complaining that he is wasting time and they want get answers etc, because that is what the readers are in it for, for the plot and the action.

You want a vast rich character development of all cast? You wont get that in snk, because that was never what it was about, if you want that watch slice of life series or action series that is character driven like vinland saga.

This is why I say that you can't compare oranges with apples, each series are written differently and has different goal.
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Bad and annoying characters, except for Grisha and Zeke
 
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It is interesting to see how users turned this thread into hate speech against Attack on Titan, instead of Criticizing SNK in a constructive manner. I think it is pathetic to discredit a show because you hate it for unspoken reasons.
 
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Honestly the only HUGE flaw is how
survived that fall.

Asides from that it's a masterpiece for me.
 
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