Fire Force
| That moment when they don't care about the show....even Kimetsu no Yaiba is better than this. |
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_namles said: That's what you call a "genre". Just because this show is in the shounen genre doesn't mean it can be the exact same as all the other shounen shows and get away with it. Genres serve as loose ties between different shows that are similar on a fundamental level, like 2 shows may both take place in a futuristic world (sci-fi) or 2 shows may both have a scary atmosphere (horror), but that's as far as it really goes. Two shows with nearly identical plots, just in differing setting, may indeed be in the same genre, but that doesn't excuse the lack of originality. |
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_namles said: Masutado said: Just because this show is in the shounen genre doesn't mean it can be the exact same as all the other shounen shows and get away with it. I don't exactly see how it's exactly the same as any other shounen. Well, it's a bit of a stretch on my part to say that it's literally exactly like any other show, but the shounen genre is by definition just show's tailored for young males by way of action, humor, and maybe some fanservice. That's a really broad scope that could include all kinds of unique stories, and yet so many big shounen shows overuse the exact same characters and plot beats ad nauseam. This show is no exception, making it, relative to the scope of the shounen genre, effectively identical to other big shounen shows like Naruto, MHA, etc. |
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_namles said: Masutado said: Well, it's a bit of a stretch on my part to say that it's literally exactly like any other show, but the shounen genre is by definition just show's tailored for young males by way of action, humor, and maybe some fanservice. That's a really broad scope that could include all kinds of unique stories, and yet so many big shounen shows overuse the exact same characters and plot beats ad nauseam. This show is no exception, making it, relative to the scope of the shounen genre, effectively identical to other big shounen shows like Naruto, MHA, etc. So why bother watching a show that you don't enjoy / that isn't intended for a demographic that you would watch. A.) If I don't enjoy watching a show, I usually don't bother finishing it, and if this next episode doesn't give me a reason to watch it over other, better-done shows, I'll simply drop it. B.) I'm part of the shounen demographic lol |
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EzioUltima said: So what was different about Naruto?It's just Naruto all over again. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| insert generic comment here "there is no originality anymore just better execution" |
| What is this?? COD?? TBH, If you hate it so much, Why continue watching it? I know its a Cliche and worn out response but its true. If you continue watching shit the more mad you will be. I tried to watch 1 episode of every show this season but stopped becasue I knew I was gonna go crazy from the Amount of shit shows I was watching. So what did I do? I just stopped. I puit them On Hold or dropped them and if they are that bad I just start ignoring anything to do with them. Its that simple. |
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deg said: insert generic comment here "there is no originality anymore just better execution" I mean yeah if you want to look where this originated most battle shonen are just retellings of the Heroes Journey you can trace that back to Gilgamesh. At their base core almost every story can have another story that follows a similar format. I tend to find at least in my experience when people usually say originality they more are just describing a different way of telling a similar story either through varying up the archetypes, setting, theme etc or they just feel its done better. Most action adventure titles aimed at the YA audience almost all follow the heroes journey to some aspect from Harry Potter to Star Wars to Spiderman to Naruto to Attack on Titan. Most people however, aren't going to say yeah Star Wars is the exact same as Spiderman though. I think its good to ask for creators to be challenged and not over rely on using the same common tropes that are currently popular or they have used in the past though at the same time there is a reason why some people do want those same tropes. Regardless I have enjoyed Fire Force but really you need to give battle shonen time to develop to really judge them in my honest opinion. |
BilboBaggins365Jul 16, 2019 10:03 PM
| Gener ≠ bad. Wish more people could understand that. |
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Mattinator95 said: TolkienFan365 said: I mean yeah if you want to look where this originated most battle shonen are just retellings of the Heroes Journey you can trace that back to Gilgamesh. At their base core almost every story can have another story that follows a similar format. I tend to find at least in my experience when people usually say originality they more are just describing a different way of telling a similar story either through varying up the archetypes, setting, theme etc or they just feel its done better. Most action adventure titles aimed at the YA audience almost all follow the heroes journey to some aspect from Harry Potter to Star Wars to Spiderman to Naruto to Attack on Titan. Most people however, aren't going to say yeah Star Wars is the exact same as Spiderman though. I think its good to ask for creators to be challenged and not over rely on using the same common tropes that are currently popular or they have used in the past though at the same time there is a reason why some people do want those same tropes. Regardless I have enjoyed Fire Force but really you need to give battle shonen time to develop to really judge them in my honest opinion. i think deg is taking the piss or being sarcastic due to all the generic comments Maybe but I am just saying originality isn't really common. Any critic who spends their life in a medium is going to eventually know every single trope and setup in the book. |
| I feel deep confusion as to how this is similar to Naruto other than the MC being ostracized and even that is a stretch. |
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desusama said: Tbh, I agree. I definitely get more of a soul eater vibe from this. Also, I personally enjoy the comedy and the 4th wall breaks. Then and again, I find humor in very different things than most people. I feel deep confusion as to how this is similar to Naruto other than the MC being ostracized and even that is a stretch. Also, if you like the show keep watching it. If you don't, uhh don't? |
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| This is Soul Eater 2.0 fire nation remake. I hoped that this anime would make sense but its all about meaningless cliche hype again... Most people fall for art and animation. They do not search for meaning and depth. |
Ignoramus-Jul 19, 2019 7:42 AM
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| People tend to like that. My Hero Academia follows Naruto to a T for the entire first season, but it's still ridiculously popular. 2ego said: How is it anything like Naruto? Seriously what in the heck. Probably because it's a shonen about a guy with special powers in an organization. |
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| lmao yeah because Naruto is 10/10 right? Fuck off. Shounens all have a similar formula and it's annoying to compare everything to one standard. |
| Oscar and Andre deserved better |
2ego said: EpsilonX said: How is that any way like Naruto? Naruto isn't really "in an organization," and the "superpower" aspect is in hundreds if not thousands of animes.People tend to like that. My Hero Academia follows Naruto to a T for the entire first season, but it's still ridiculously popular. Probably because it's a shonen about a guy with special powers in an organization. I was trying to point out that there's not a whole lot that's similar outside of very very basic things. Maybe it didn't come across properly. Point is, it has some very basic similarities that most anime in the shounen category also share. |
ChangeLeopardonJul 25, 2019 10:11 PM
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| Just think of this as the first shounen anime, don't think of this as another copy of Naruto... like seriously. You can just leave it behind like you do to the other "copy" animes. |
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| You seriously thought Japan will produce a new and innovative Shounen in 2019, you have much to learn my son. |
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| Let look back, this is totally Promare's fire/firefighter theme + Ao no Exorcist's looking chara+demonic looking enemies Yea, this show would have been unique IF it aired before the movie Promare. Anyway...I agreed with the guy above that said Kimetsu no Yaiba is a better show. |
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| ROFL, people are fighting over how much "generic shounen" this is, and I'm just watching it because the animation is great (Y) |
| Yeah that last episode really made me want to drop. Pretty tired of the same tropes being reskinned and reused like this. Animation is decent though, gotta give them that. |
_namles said: That's what you call a "genre". touché hahahaha |
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xkazutox said: Let look back, this is totally Promare's fire/firefighter theme + Ao no Exorcist's looking chara+demonic looking enemies Yea, this show would have been unique IF it aired before the movie Promare. Anyway...I agreed with the guy above that said Kimetsu no Yaiba is a better show. ????????????????????? cept if we go by this logic promare stole from enen tho? cause enen manga happened before promare was ever planned also guys, the op is someone with only 1 post and hasnt even posted anything else its so obvious this is a bait/alt acc |
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