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Jul 7, 1:36 PM

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You bring up some valid criticisms, others that can be explained given time and a little bit of examination.
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1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface:
- No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground!
3700 years is a long time, but to say conclusively that the stone people would corrode in that time would require knowledge of their composition(how robust the stone formation is). The stones were created through magic or something heretofore unexplained, we probably shouldn't posit a guess for how durable they would be in this case. From all of the destroyed stone bodies we can tell that they aren't indestructable, even with the main characters permanent cracks have formed along their bodies(especially around the eyes). More than that we don't really know.
As to the point about them being buried under ground: sediment doesn't exactly spring up in uniform patterns. You're right to think that most of the stone bodies would be either buried or destroyed, and most of them probably are, but there are other circumstances such as the camphor tree that the girlfriend became rooted to over the millenia, or the cave that formed around the mc(caves can be shaped and rocks can be eroded by the naturally corrosive properties of bat guano, as mentioned in the show).

2) Sanity.
- MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves!
The logic the show gives us here is pretty fragile, and I think it's only supposed to serve as a thematic support for the characters and their resolve. Although they were imprisoned within the stone for upwards of 3000 years, they were able to maintain sanity by fragmenting their minds or compartmentalizing thoughts toward only what they value most(what kept them sane or made up their individuality in the world before the stone phenomenon). They never had to question their existence because they actively stonewalled the question, they each maintained a way of thinking that protected them against any kind of personal examination. It's possible that not every character was able to do this, we've only seen two so far and there's a lot more to come. It's definitely a hand-waving in the face of science, based on the idea that philosophically we don't really have the tools to examine(maybe we do, idk) the way 3700 years can shape an active mind. The whole thing seems more like an appeal to the emotional value of storytelling, coming from, for instance, the fact mc had already waited 5 years to confess to his girlfriend. What is eternity matched up against seishun, the most important spring of your life?

3) Annoying parts.
- MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man...
- Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy
The fact they haven't really thought of their families safety is a little startling, but if mc has been thinking of his girlfriend for 3700 it does stand to reason that his investment in her safety would overrule other considerations just through sheer temporal momentum. It's definitely weird that he had a mind only for his girlfriend the entire time, but because of that it only makes sense that once he is freed from the stone he will continue to think of her, maybe even at the risk of forgetting everyone else. What's more weird to me is that he recognized the face of his childhood friend, and there was no trauma involved in coming to the grips with the fact people other than his girlfriend exist in the world.
I think the explanation for the scientist boy not really showing concern for the collapse of the world and instead gearing toward building it up from scratch is pretty serviceable. He's a child, the passing of generations has always been about letting the old fall away to shore up new potential. Adult characters who are more invested in the old world will necessarily experience a greater vertigo in the face of this phenomenon.

I was trying to sift this thread for some cogent discussion, but I couldn't really find anything else to reply to. I do think this is an interesting topic and worthy of stimulating the conversation around this series.

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I agree with the fact that staying conscious for the entire 3000 years is a bit hard to believe, and that there are almost no buildings leftover. I also am bothered by the fact that the birds turned to stone, which means animals turned as well...but the dog in the beginning didn't? And the monkeys we see later on didn't?
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I was wondering why birds and humans went to stone and not the other animals like the deer we saw and the baby boar that taiju was eating
The turning of the birds was an isolated incident that happened before the widespread phenomenon. As we saw in the show, it didn't apply to all birds either, we can see one flying far above the mc around the time he is unearthed from the stone. Wait for the story to unfold and bring clarity to these phenomena, it's pretty obviously going to be a point of examination later on.
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Sorry but I agree with a lot of points that @inim mentioned. The series is probably not for me and I still believe that the series doesn't deserve a rating of 8.3 but I might be wrong. I will do the same as inim and give it another try after it has completed it's season. Anyways ty for the reply.
the issue I have with his stance, it seems to stem from bias because of his occupation and his critique stems from knowledge outside of what the series presents.

But I'm confused you're issues aren't the same, you have a problem on that the MC doesn't appear to be intelligent and the story does little to characterize that and I've shown you evidence that he is exceptionally intelligent perhaps unbelievably so.



Well whatever you presented as an evidence, is not actually evidence of genius level intellect. Creating fuel from plastic is an established chemical process, its nothing as something Nobel prize worthy. And as I wrote in my first comment the rest are just survival skills, telling mushrooms being apart, building a hut, these are survival skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slK30YHOUE here is a guy building a pool with no modern tools. Now there is a difference between a genius and just a simple intelligent person. Characters like L, Light(deathnote), WW(BB), Tyrian Lannister(GoT), Little finger(GoT) are properly portrayed to be like geniuses or highly intelligent, this character is not. The development just isn't there and this isn't an action/comedy like One punch, where the character doesn't really need a development, like it has to be explained how he magically got God-like powers. The anime portrays itself to be based on science. A group of teenagers praising every thing the character says doesn't make him a genius. He has to show something to why he is praised to much. There is literally 0 character development and that for an anime rated above 8 with this kind of premise is unacceptable. And episode one is there for setting a tone, and I didn't like one bit of it. Like the way he was portrayed just for a building a hut and constant smirking like he solved world poverty. The characters just look pretentious and this is tone isn't right for me. May be it sits fine with 10 y.o. but for me I will give it time to finish first then binge watch it, if it still holds its above 8+ score. May be I am wrong and assuming way too early, time will tell.
 
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Idk how those guys managed to use their body so easly after 3700y in the stone. Without any rehabilitation, maybe just i take it too far :D
 
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AzorAhai said:
1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface:
- No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground!
2) Sanity.
- MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves!
3) Annoying parts.
- MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man...
- Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy

P.S before shitposting, know that i don't hate the show and will keep watching it (since i'm in love with post-apocalypse theme); and maybe even read the manga (which is still ongoing...-_- how "unexpected")
i agree with everything you mentioned and was thinking about all of these things too while watching the anime. it's kinda crazy that so many people reacted to this so harshly. even in sci-fi anime where the plot is entirely made up and unrealistic there has to be some common sense kind of or a backbone that everything can refer to. it just gives off a chaotic vibe i guess.
 
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i agree 100%
i get that its anime , and its not supposed to be realistic
BUT BEING FREAKING AWAKE FOR 3700 YEARS NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE IM SORRY BUT THATS JUST TOO CRUEL BUT THE ANIME PRETENDS LIKE ITS SOMETHING YOU CAN ENDURE AND GET OVER IM SORRY BUT I CANT JUST ACCEPT THAT
they could have just been in come but the writer was like nah lets make them conscious for almost 4k years
 
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AzorAhai said:
1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface:
- No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground!
2) Sanity.
- MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves!
3) Annoying parts.
- MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man...
- Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy

P.S before shitposting, know that i don't hate the show and will keep watching it (since i'm in love with post-apocalypse theme); and maybe even read the manga (which is still ongoing...-_- how "unexpected")
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It's pretty entertaining, but I definitely noticed a few potential plot holes here and there. Also, the episode felt super rushed? I'm about to read the first few chapters of the manga to compare, maybe it wasn't, but it felt it.

Overall I think it's one of those cases where it sounds really damn cool in concept, but so far falls flat in terms of execution. I'll have to wait and see.
 
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Also, to name a few nitpicks and tiny inconsistencies (excluding what you already mentioned with the ridiculous amount of passed time);

- Only some animals are turned to stone? Dogs and deer were completely fine, yet other animals like birds became stone. Whether this is something that will be explained or nah, I guess we'll find out. Maybe some types of genes or whatever are resistant to this petrifying power, or birds could have some specific relevance here. It did look like the show was putting heavy emphasis on birds as a whole, they were the only animal I saw that was stone actually...

- Clothes aren't affected and don't turn to stone, yet the girl's headphones do? I guess it's part of her character design lol, can't have them corroding (even though even as stone they DEFINITELY would have by now, just saying -- unless it's a special type of stone that doesn't wear over time and blah blah plot armor, the show might elaborate).

- We clearly see that people are TURNED into stone, completely, inside and out, yet when a human or animal breaks out of the stone it's like a stone layer is covering their body... not like they actually became stone.

I think the show is looking to be weaker than what it was hyped up to be (for me at least), and while usually I'd dismiss all this as "anime logic", most of it is way too obvious to just ignore and overlook. Really looking forward to see what direction this takes though.
 
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Honestly had the same questions
Why are they still sane after 3700 years and why does Taiju only think of a girl for 3700 years?
Hopefully it gets explained. Not everything in shounen should be explained, but it feels more complete imo if it is.
 
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DeathProfessor said:
Creating fuel from plastic is an established chemical process, its nothing as something Nobel prize worthy.
Dammit, now this discussion spreads to here as well. Damn the torpedoes, but: Pyrolysis of plastic into kerosin and diesel is a chemically well understood process, but nowhere near established. You basically need a reactor with several 100C long-term constant temperature, oxygen free athmosphere of a defined pressure, a catalyst (which may be as simple as active coal, but it depends). You also need to take a lot of care to not produce toxines such as dioxin in the process, which happens easily when temperature is wrong or too much halogen plastics (e.g. PVC) are in your mix. You also need a working system to get rid of the toxic waste and fumes. And the biggest problem: you want a positive energy balance, the key to economic feasbility.

While university and industrial research level prototype reactors exist, nobody so far managed find a robust combination for all the loose ends and parameters which would allow large scale, economically feasible processing. The energy balance is the worst problem, it's indeed a process engineer's nightmare - and far from being solved at scale.

That said: I still doubt that the Dr. Stone MC using only ressources and funds accessible to a highschool, or even a mediocre university, can produce liquid fuel in a substantial amount from PET bottles. The chemistry isn't his problem, the process engineering, energy balance, and the reactor parameters are.
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This first episode also left me with a bunch of questions like:

Why the birds got in stone but the dogs didnt?
When the light appeared the mc was in a building but when he was showed counting time it looked like an open space.
How did he kept sane while counting seconds?
Why didn't they look for other living humans and quickly established a camp without considering the fact that maybe others got lucky and ressurrected too.

I didnt enjoy the episode as I had hoped for because everything was superficial and ridiculous in a way.
 
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While on having fun looking at the plot craters of Dr. Stone using actual science, I wonder why nobody has yet dealt with the elephant in the room: energy and thermodynamics.

Let's ignore the fact that the chemistry of the human body depends on mobile molecules, e.g. energy transporters like ATP. Let's assume the stone magically creates some alternative energy transport. Let's further assume a stoned body doesn't require any energy to maintain. One thing, however, does definitely require energy: thinking. And while the human brain only makes up for 2% of the body mass, it consumes 20% of the energy - in idle state. If you think hard, you use more.

Let's assume a teenager with resting metabolic rate would need 1300 kcal/day to stay alive, which is very conservative. 1300 kcal over 24 hours is 54.16 kcal per hour, which is 15.04 gram calories per second. This equals 62.93 joules/second, which is ~63 watts. 20% of that is used by the brain, which is active in the stoners, and that's 12.6 watts.

One teenager uses 12.6 watts over a period of 3700 years = 3700*365.25 days = 1,351,425 days, which means he requires 1351425*12.6 W = 17,027,955 Watt days = 172323 kilowatt hours over that time period. That's the energy equivalent of about 1.5 tons of TNT, where one kilogram of TNT is good enough to obliterate a small vehicle. If all 7 billion humans are stoned and thinking, we get into the range of a small nuclear bomb's equivalent energy.

It's ... magic!
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inim said:
DeathProfessor said:
Creating fuel from plastic is an established chemical process, its nothing as something Nobel prize worthy.
Dammit, now this discussion spreads to here as well. Damn the torpedoes, but: Pyrolysis of plastic into kerosin and diesel is a chemically well understood process, but nowhere near established. You basically need a reactor with several 100C long-term constant temperature, oxygen free athmosphere of a defined pressure, a catalyst (which may be as simple as active coal, but it depends). You also need to take a lot of care to not produce toxines such as dioxin in the process, which happens easily when temperature is wrong or too much halogen plastics (e.g. PVC) are in your mix. You also need a working system to get rid of the toxic waste and fumes. And the biggest problem: you want a positive energy balance, the key to economic feasbility.

While university and industrial research level prototype reactors exist, nobody so far managed find a robust combination for all the lose ends and parameters which would allow large scale, economically feasible processing. The energy balance is the worst problem, it's indeed a process engineer's nightmare - and far from being solved at scale.

That said: I still doubt that the Dr. Stone MC using only ressources and funds accessible to a highschool, or even a mediocre university, can produce liquid fuel in a substantial amount from PET bottles. The chemistry isn't his problem, the process engineering and the reactor parameters are.


Yeah, I stand corrected 'established' was a wrong word to use there. Well at-least the writer didn't choose water made as an alternative for fuel as one of the achievements of the MC. The following line of your's summarizes it.

you want a positive energy balance, the key to economic feasibility.

I am just too tilted by Dr. stone, not a like-able character, just plain pretentious. I still don't know how it is getting 8.3 as rating. I guess its too early and may be the likes are from manga readers, but for me that first episode wasn't anything above 5.

 
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inim said:
Dammit, now this discussion spreads to here as well. Damn the torpedoes, but: Pyrolysis of plastic into kerosin and diesel is a chemically well understood process, but nowhere near established. You basically need a reactor with several 100C long-term constant temperature, oxygen free athmosphere of a defined pressure, a catalyst (which may be as simple as active coal, but it depends). You also need to take a lot of care to not produce toxines such as dioxin in the process, which happens easily when temperature is wrong or too much halogen plastics (e.g. PVC) are in your mix. You also need a working system to get rid of the toxic waste and fumes. And the biggest problem: you want a positive energy balance, the key to economic feasbility.

While university and industrial research level prototype reactors exist, nobody so far managed find a robust combination for all the lose ends and parameters which would allow large scale, economically feasible processing. The energy balance is the worst problem, it's indeed a process engineer's nightmare - and far from being solved at scale.

That said: I still doubt that the Dr. Stone MC using only ressources and funds accessible to a highschool, or even a mediocre university, can produce liquid fuel in a substantial amount from PET bottles. The chemistry isn't his problem, the process engineering and the reactor parameters are.


Yeah, I stand corrected 'established' was a wrong word to use there. Well at-least the writer didn't choose water made as an alternative for fuel as one of the achievements of the MC. The following line of your's summarizes it.

you want a positive energy balance, the key to economic feasibility.

I am just too tilted by Dr. stone, not a like-able character, just plain pretentious. I still don't know how it is getting 8.3 as rating. I guess its too early and may be the likes are from manga readers, but for me that first episode wasn't anything above 5.



Stop caring so much about the ratings/score. Its pointless to get so worked up about it.

If people wanna give it a high score then they'll give it that score. That's it.

God this entire thread is just pedantic.
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God this entire thread is just pedantic.
Na, it is scientific. The point simply is that a global stoning creates plot holes equivalent of 7 billion truck-kuns isekai-ing the world's population simultaneously.

I really hope the experimental archaeology and anthropology they want to focus on in much of the show is worth this hilarious, laws of nature defying bullshit premise.

 
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inim said:
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God this entire thread is just pedantic.
Na, it is scientific. The point simply is that a global stoning creates plot holes equivalent of 7 billion truck-kuns isekai-ing the world's population simultaneously.

I really hope the experimental archaeology and anthropology they want to focus on in much of the show is worth this hilarious, laws of nature defying bullshit premise.


So pedantic basically.

I mean I get it, no skin off my bones especially if ya wanna make inane isekai comparisons.
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with that thinking of yours, I will also have problem witth the show, why the f*** did Taiju cloths suddenly clean after soaked with grapes juices for instance. But meh, this kind of mentality will degrade the enjoyment for the show. Just let loose dude, you are thinking too much, nough say' this is JUST AN ANIME.
Well, "just an anime" is a pretty universal and by this pretty usless argument. You could just use the same approach to defend the plot of Hametsu no Mars or any other bad anime.

I'm sorry to repeat myself this argument was used already in another thread, but it is useful to understand the nature of what makes me uncomfortable with this particular anime's approach to science and logic.

Everybody's favorite loli-ecchi No Game No Life without any doubt takes place in a fantastic isekai world with a lot of very "unrealistic" plot and magic everywhere. Yet, when they talk about the math of game theory, and they do that often, they get their shit right. You do not see the actual formulas, but be assured that NGNL does not use science babble, but actual math. This is the sort of dilligence and respect for the science (math in NGNL's case, chemistry in Dr. Stone) I am missing in Dr. Stone. NGNL in that sense is in-world consistent, whereas Dr. Stone just uses cringy science babble to sound cool and while pretending to play in the real world, with real phsycis and natural laws, gives a fuck for them. And that makes all the difference for somebody with a science background. If it is magic, don't call it science. I can just not enjoy a show which constantly insults my intelligence with handwaving bullshit. Your mileage may differ.


I know what you mean, I had a nerd friend that is overly "dramatical-lore officer" and cant enjoy a simple lore due to this...."problematic" thinking....

Nevertheless, if you don't mind, try to be lenient and more acceptance for the sake of enjoyment, otherwise, I shall respect your view should you find it unable to do the simple thing by simple thinking because,,, well its your character right.

Its all come down to whether one allow or not the story how its being presented.
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idk, what did Cap do when he woke up after being frozen for years again?


Hell yeah.. hospital dude.. to recover lot of his body function. do you even watch the scene? Did he directly walk out from the ice? No, he revived in a condition so weak.. his mental condition his body condition, he even barely have any conciusness at all.. This.. is superhero themed movie tho.. but even that they try to keep everything believable and consistent for the world they build
 
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Gloomy-eyes said:
idk, what did Cap do when he woke up after being frozen for years again?


Hell yeah.. hospital dude.. to recover lot of his body function. do you even watch the scene? Did he directly walk out from the ice? No, he revived in a condition so weak.. his mental condition his body condition, he even barely have any conciusness at all.. This.. is superhero themed movie tho.. but even that they try to keep everything believable and consistent for the world they build
Dunno why but I really did expect more from your argument, something like:”The injection maintained his physical strength”, but hospital? Lol, the issue here is that body function remained after immobility, including lying obv(not to mention could the injection gain the underwater breath ability?). About mental condition, who cares? That is superhero movie, this is a shounen anime. Where’s the difference?
 
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the issue I have with his stance, it seems to stem from bias because of his occupation and his critique stems from knowledge outside of what the series presents.

But I'm confused you're issues aren't the same, you have a problem on that the MC doesn't appear to be intelligent and the story does little to characterize that and I've shown you evidence that he is exceptionally intelligent perhaps unbelievably so.



Well whatever you presented as an evidence, is not actually evidence of genius level intellect. Creating fuel from plastic is an established chemical process, its nothing as something Nobel prize worthy. And as I wrote in my first comment the rest are just survival skills, telling mushrooms being apart, building a hut, these are survival skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slK30YHOUE here is a guy building a pool with no modern tools. Now there is a difference between a genius and just a simple intelligent person. Characters like L, Light(deathnote), WW(BB), Tyrian Lannister(GoT), Little finger(GoT) are properly portrayed to be like geniuses or highly intelligent, this character is not. The development just isn't there and this isn't an action/comedy like One punch, where the character doesn't really need a development, like it has to be explained how he magically got God-like powers. The anime portrays itself to be based on science. A group of teenagers praising every thing the character says doesn't make him a genius. He has to show something to why he is praised to much. There is literally 0 character development and that for an anime rated above 8 with this kind of premise is unacceptable. And episode one is there for setting a tone, and I didn't like one bit of it. Like the way he was portrayed just for a building a hut and constant smirking like he solved world poverty. The characters just look pretentious and this is tone isn't right for me. May be it sits fine with 10 y.o. but for me I will give it time to finish first then binge watch it, if it still holds its above 8+ score. May be I am wrong and assuming way too early, time will tell.
him creating plastic fuel, is an intelligent feat, and him making the hut by himself despite never doing it before, the person in the video is of different background and training.
 
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yes the premise is shocking and sad to see all of the stone people. but

we never have a chance to form any empathy for them...the change is too abrupt and so the entire series is build on sand, no trust forms in the story or the writer.

Not going to get better I fear..the super scientist expert and the brave protag are old old old. Not even any really cute girls to make it bearable.
 
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People here can't understand you can like something and find probllematic stuff about it.
 
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Gloomy-eyes said:
Dunno why but I really did expect more from your argument, something like:”The injection maintained his physical strength”, but hospital? Lol, the issue here is that body function remained after immobility, including lying obv(not to mention could the injection gain the underwater breath ability?). About mental condition, who cares? That is superhero movie, this is a shounen anime. Where’s the difference?


My god.. you're full of yourself. "Body function remained after mobility" wtf? They've been not moving their muscle not even a bit for like 3700 year's man. Then they hatched from a stone Freshly, without any effect at all. and then every single muscle they have works properly. This, from an anime who happens to be focusing on "Science".

Look, real case people would've been paralyzed, and forgotten how to move their muscle. Even if their nutrition is reserved.

But this is shonen, and i know that. I didn't hoping real event happening to them. But at least.. put a little effort on them so that the event actually have side effect for them not just the nature. What truly happen is, they got stoned.. but meh.. nothing really happen to them, mental health check, all body function check.
 
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Gloomy-eyes said:
Dunno why but I really did expect more from your argument, something like:”The injection maintained his physical strength”, but hospital? Lol, the issue here is that body function remained after immobility, including lying obv(not to mention could the injection gain the underwater breath ability?). About mental condition, who cares? That is superhero movie, this is a shounen anime. Where’s the difference?


My god.. you're full of yourself. "Body function remained after mobility" wtf? They've been not moving their muscle not even a bit for like 3700 year's man. Then they hatched from a stone Freshly, without any effect at all. and then every single muscle they have works properly. This, from an anime who happens to be focusing on "Science".

Look, real case people would've been paralyzed, and forgotten how to move their muscle. Even if their nutrition is reserved.

But this is shonen, and i know that. I didn't hoping real event happening to them. But at least.. put a little effort on them so that the event actually have side effect for them not just the nature. What truly happen is, they got stoned.. but meh.. nothing really happen to them, mental health check, all body function check.


They didn't have side effect because of something that will be explain soon, the writing is great with this imo and you'll see.
 
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1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface:
- No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground!
2) Sanity.
- MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves!
3) Annoying parts.
- MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man...
- Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy

P.S before shitposting, know that i don't hate the show and will keep watching it (since i'm in love with post-apocalypse theme); and maybe even read the manga (which is still ongoing...-_- how "unexpected")

You have a point but you're missing the fact that both characters are clearly crazy, their crazy minds wouldn't be effected the same or to that great of an extant.
 
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AzorAhai said:
1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface:
- No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground!
2) Sanity.
- MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves!
3) Annoying parts.
- MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man...
- Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy

P.S before shitposting, know that i don't hate the show and will keep watching it (since i'm in love with post-apocalypse theme); and maybe even read the manga (which is still ongoing...-_- how "unexpected")


while i do agree with you on whatever you said, the thing you have to consider is that this is an anime, and since when does anime makes 100% sense lol.

Anyway another way to look at it is that:

1) the petrification of the human population into stones somewhat made the stones more resilient to corrosion but not to impacts. As evident of many stone humans died because they broke apart in stone form.

2) MC was consious the entire time, therefore he had 3500 years to think what had happened. It may had been he accepted that his parents are lost, and he had the one chance to see if his love interest survives as she is the last person and closest person he was in contact with before they turned to stone.

The thing i like about animes is that because most of the time they make no sense, they are always open for different interpretations. Which is what makes manga and anime so interesting.
 
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Yes, it deals with some stuff in a very silly way, I felt that too. 3700 years being immobile yet conscious would make anyone go completely insane.
 
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AzorAhai said:

2) Sanity.
- MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves!


This is the only thing that bothers me honestly. I know it's sci-fi fantasy or whatever, but staying mental in such a situation is ridiculous.
Also people who say this is bait seem to be mentally retarded or are beeing delusional as fuck. OP is making up valid points. You can't allways argue with "muh fiction!!". Then again. It's a known fact that you can't argue with weebs about inconsistency in Anime.
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I think all the points raised are interesting, but I think you missed the point altogether by not considering that when an author creates a story he does not seek to recreate an exact copy of our world but rather a world of his own


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I find the MC’s friend kinda annoying. Like after all those years all he could think about or care is a high school crush? Excuse me? Does he not have a family, friends or a more meaningful relationship? Everything else was great
 
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I mean it isn't perfect but a lot of this just seems like nit picking. Didn't exactly expect the anime to be realistic, it's no worse than usual man.
 
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Ever heard of fiction ?
And its just the first episode dude, wtf
 
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Best anime of the season, for me it was the best debut and the anime looks promising.
 
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Just stop looking for problematic/annoying/weird things in such show - watch and enjoy

Jeez just use your fucking brain sometimes

hahaha you basically say don't use your brain when watching such show and then say i should use brain. Why don't you a) take a chill pill, b) don't throw tantrums, c) and use a brain.

t. brainlet

Yeah, we need our Comedy X Shounen Chinese cartoons to be 100% realistic when the plot's literally a laser thing turns everyone to stone but acid unstone's all organs to a healthy state without any water.

I'm once again reminded why I use this shit site for only a tracker, nobody should be exposed to your autism for extended periods of time.
 
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Fotamon said:
AzorAhai said:
@Hafexo

hahaha you basically say don't use your brain when watching such show and then say i should use brain. Why don't you a) take a chill pill, b) don't throw tantrums, c) and use a brain.

t. brainlet

Yeah, we need our Comedy X Shounen Chinese cartoons to be 100% realistic when the plot's literally a laser thing turns everyone to stone but acid unstone's all organs to a healthy state without any water.

I'm once again reminded why I use this shit site for only a tracker, nobody should be exposed to your autism for extended periods of time.


No one asks for 100% realism in fiction. If you've used your eyes and brains, you should be aware of that by now. Just because a story is a fiction it still has to follow rules that makes it "real"; otherwise it would be a trash no one can take seriously. Plus, it's always fun to theorize and discuss things instead of just swallowing what you get showed in your mouth. As i can see you already rated the show 10/10 so it didn't came as a surprise to see you throwing tantrums; you probably haven't read a single civilized discussion on this thread lol; Mal gives opportunities to people like you to mature a bit so try to learn a bit from how others responded to the thread.
I'm once again reminded about narrow-minded, easily triggered fanboys going apeshit at the smallest signs of criticism, here on MAL.
 
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im gonna watch this series to check whats this noise is about

but from the first post alone you have to check if this story is HARD science fiction (which you are trying to make sense of) or just an average science fiction stuff anyway
 
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I this a weed propaganda?
 
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Everyone out here just yelling at op for sharing their opinion, and I'm just over here thinking about how I don' t like how Taiju shouts 90% of his lines it just got really annoying way too fast and I don't know how I feel about that
 
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The show is literally just one fucking episode in, 1
 
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Ah shi*. Here we go again with finding faults in new anime instead of just enjoying it.
 
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I’m not sure I’ll be able to accept this guys massive crush either. A crush you think about for over 3000 years? These two lovers better have an emotional bonding backstory
Jaywalker.
 
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This was exquisite in terms of cringe. Thanks OP, I'm good for the day.

Btw how old are you?
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The only problem I had with the first episode was that the pacing was a bit too fast. I feel that what happened episode 1 could've been drawn out through two more episodes, or just one more at the very least, and we could've focused a bit more on how the world has changed throughout the span of 3700 years now that just about every human (and some other animals too?) on the planet got stoned all at once. But yeah, still a great first episode imo, I'm definitely on board with this. I follow 3 episode rule almost religiously though, so I'm hoping that this doesn't turn out like Kotobuki and fall off all of a sudden through the next two episodes.
 
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The only problem I had with the first episode was that the pacing was a bit too fast. I feel that what happened episode 1 could've been drawn out through two more episodes, or just one more at the very least, and we could've focused a bit more on how the world has changed throughout the span of 3700 years now that just about every human (and some other animals too?) on the planet got stoned all at once. But yeah, still a great first episode imo, I'm definitely on board with this. I follow 3 episode rule almost religiously though, so I'm hoping that this doesn't turn out like Kotobuki and fall off all of a sudden through the next two episodes.
that would honestly drag it out part of the joy of this is discovering the state of this world along with the two characters and needless screen time about the world especially two episodes would significantly drag that out. I'm admittedly a bit biased as I thought the pacing was great.
 
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CrisGer_San_AA said:
yes the premise is shocking and sad to see all of the stone people. but

we never have a chance to form any empathy for them...the change is too abrupt and so the entire series is build on sand, no trust forms in the story or the writer.

Not going to get better I fear..the super scientist expert and the brave protag are old old old. Not even any really cute girls to make it bearable.
I don't know about you but seeing countless people lose their lives so easily does form a bit of empathy in me. Plus why is it necessary to form emphathy for these people,it's not like they are significant characters they are just extras in the story, most apocalyptic stories work this way. We are mainly meant to follow the two protagonist that's the ones that matter and we have to understand their story in trying to re create the world through science.
Technically the entire series is built on stone.

"No trust forms in the story or the writer" whatever this means, but my only rebuttal is that the premise so far is sound and adheres to it's own logic. Not being able to develop emphathy for an entire world doesn't break the story.
 
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episode 2 solidifies this as just some average science fiction show and not a hard science fiction one so those complains on the first post are pointless

we got unrealistic super genius and super strength and i doubt there will be a realistic explanation of their abilities on this show
 
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AzorAhai said:
1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface:
- No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground!
2) Sanity.
- MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves!
3) Annoying parts.
- MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man...
- Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy

P.S before shitposting, know that i don't hate the show and will keep watching it (since i'm in love with post-apocalypse theme); and maybe even read the manga (which is still ongoing...-_- how "unexpected")
lmao all of your questions are answered simply if you remember it's a science fiction and not everything should be realistic also about taiju he indeed doesn't have parents, senku wants to re build society and technology that took so many years to exist and that has been destroyed he felt bad for all the knowledge and evolutions lost since he's a sience enthusiast, you had a point at first with how the stones didn't get buried tho still is ain't normal stones btw but that's it everything else is answered in the next epsiodes if you cannot wait read the manga and then come cretic it!
 
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AzorAhai said:
1) Stone humans still lying around on the surface:
- No trace of mankind remains after 3700 years, which is hardly something you'd hardly doubt would happen. It's pretty much impossible even for a stone not to corrode or remain in one place for nearly 4 millennia! I'd hope the story somehow explains this in the future, but right now it's too unrealistic, even for a world where everyone magically turned into stones, to believe that all those stone people are not buried deep underground!
2) Sanity.
- MC, his mad scientist friend and it seems several others (from ED) have been stoned for 3000 years yet they were conscious during the whole period. Considering that the person hasn't lost his mind during ANY of this time...ever, it's incredibly frustrating to see a person emerge from stone as they were imprisoned for a week or a month. It would take years for a normal person to come in grasps with reality and fully realize what happened and where they are right now. Wouldn't you question your very existence and literally EVERYTHING during that time? I can't even imagine what a person can think about for 3700 years lol, ALONE with themselves!
3) Annoying parts.
- MC only thinks about boning his GF. To hell with the world, to hell with parents (unless he's the typical solo-orphan character with no one in the world), to hell with the new wild environment. "how long has it been?" "so it did happen to everyone?" - Forget all that! Gotta find mah gf i've been thinking about for the last 3000 YEARS! The power of boners man...
- Scientist MC thinks about becoming the king of the new world. As if he's just been teleported into one of those farming/city-building simulator games. The fact that 3700 freaking years have passed and the civilization is dead - we're just gonna look over it; shit happens man, gotta move on. The characters take the new world and the time that they spend imprisoned - just too lightly! No trauma, no fear of the unknown, no grief. Just a walk in the park! One character wants to bone a girl, other wants to rule the new world. One is ridiculously smart; another is super strong. Difficulty level:Easy/very easy

P.S before shitposting, know that i don't hate the show and will keep watching it (since i'm in love with post-apocalypse theme); and maybe even read the manga (which is still ongoing...-_- how "unexpected")

Senkuu is the MC what do you mean the MC and his scientist friend
 
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Agree with almost everything you said, there are a lot of things wrong with the show so far. The most annoying thing with the show is Senku himself, he's probably the only thing that's holding the show at this point in time. A very nonrealistic Personality, awful dialogue and just over explanation of minute things. Half of the show is extremely condescending, I can somewhat understand that but do you really need to explain how to cook food? It's almost like it wants you to stop watching. Also, how do you find someone like the "High school Primate" in modern day Japan?

Honestly, the show is at a 7.5/10 for me right now. Only giving it that because of the decent plot setting. Has alot of potential, but I can tell this show is going to be average
 
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