Shingeki no Kyojin Chapter 119 Discussion

Laracroft01 said:



In agreement with all the points you made regarding inconsistencies.
But still it can not be denied that eren is manipulating memories, and using Founding Titan's power.
Porco's memories getting triggered and this image where eren's eyes do look like founder's eyes might be evidences
https://m.imgur.com/a/BjzfaTy#WUxmon8

Shanika said:

I have read the chapter in another language, that could have affect what I undestand from that. But what I perceived is that Porco wanted to prove all the time that he is better than Reiner because he cant accept the fact thet Reiner was chosen for the Armored titan´s succesor instead of him. Porco, watching the memories of his brother, can undestand that he was always better option that Reiner and was his brother´s actions what influenced that Reiner was chosen instead of him...throught being able to undestand that, he doesn´t need prove himself that he is better that Reiner anymore, plus that he cant regenerate more, he decide the has a memorable last action.

A least that was what I undestand.

Frosty- said:


Do you actually think the main character won't survive when we still have quite a few chapters left? This is another case of classic SnK plot armour while creating fake tension, nothing new.

The most important question is when will Reiner again increases his plot armour count.

Mattinator95 said:

There appears to be too many inconsistencies in this chapter to be mistakes

1) The gun shouldn't be attached to the cart titan anymore since the gun is stuck to the vaporizing Cart Titan corpse. It was literally stated that they only had one shot last chapter. yet suddenly she's in the titan and the Corps are trying to prevent another shot

2)Eren's pants should have been cut.

3)Falco's Titan was ordered to kill Reiner by Zeke. Why did he go for Porco on sight when he should have been going for Reiner instead? Zeke's Titans seem to be able to restrain themselves from instantly attacking humans on sight as seen at Shiganshina and against Mike Zacharias.

4) Eren can transform multiple times as long as his human form isn't injured as demonstrated in Liberio. Why would he run nearly defenseless towards Zeke in his human form?

5) One moment Reiner's titan is completely disfigured and this chapter he appears basically undamaged

6) One moment Pyxis is riding on horse and the next he's on a carriage drinking booze and ready to go


7) and also gabi said she cant ride a horse yet shes riding one here.

changelog said:
If Eren dies I am going to be so disappointed. AoT is the world's most popular anime/manga franchise. Isayama isn't the person to do something as cliche as the death of the protagonist. I really hope the ending blows me away.

Yagami-Zero said:
Thank god someone like gabi exist in this world, so she can actually shoot Eren. I kind of tired of Eren sutpid edgy reasons already xD. If you are gonna kill everyone then say it or if you are gonna save everyone then fucking say it.

Marley Warrios for the WIN

Mattinator95 said:



its obvious hes not dead

Yagami-Zero said:



Ohh I know that, people call Reiner the plot armor titan but Eren have just as much or even more so I know he's not dead.

I just liked that gabi or anyone from the warriors did something to eren.

Hhguf said:

For me

I don't care about any chracters i just want everyone dead thats way i want eren release the titan inside the wall and kill everyone and he can die also

Funseco said:
What a mess of a chapter...
How the hell is pixis riding on a horse and then is drinking? WTF
Last chapter pieck was out of her titan and now shes in titan form with that cannon?
For some reason eren has a new pair of shoes and pants? Didnt the jaw titan eat his legs?
I dont even know what to say... If this isnt memory manipulation then this is going to be one the worst chapters of the series. full of plotholes

Mattinator95 said:

There appears to be too many inconsistencies in this chapter to be mistakes

1) The gun shouldn't be attached to the cart titan anymore since the gun is stuck to the vaporizing Cart Titan corpse. It was literally stated that they only had one shot last chapter. yet suddenly she's in the titan and the Corps are trying to prevent another shot

2)Eren's pants should have been cut.

3)Falco's Titan was ordered to kill Reiner by Zeke. Why did he go for Porco on sight when he should have been going for Reiner instead? Zeke's Titans seem to be able to restrain themselves from instantly attacking humans on sight as seen at Shiganshina and against Mike Zacharias.

4) Eren can transform multiple times as long as his human form isn't injured as demonstrated in Liberio. Why would he run nearly defenseless towards Zeke in his human form?

5) One moment Reiner's titan is completely disfigured and this chapter he appears basically undamaged

6) One moment Pyxis is riding on horse and the next he's on a carriage drinking booze and ready to go


7) and also gabi said she cant ride a horse yet shes riding one here.

Farabeuf said:


Thanks. Glad to see some feel the same way I do.

I think Isayama wanted to make a point about the cyclical nature of violence, one side hurts the other, the other side holds a grudge/wants revenge/justice etc...I think the way he is thinking it is that Gabi is just like Eren, just the other side of the coin. The only problem is that he introduced years and years later, when we care too much about our cadets. And he just didn't write her well enough, she comes along as stupid, ignorant loud brat.

ParabellumGalaxy said:

Finally someone agrees with me


I have to say, right now Falco is the only character that I truly care about

Mattinator95 said:


or isayama fucked up

Funseco said:
What a mess of a chapter...
How the hell is pixis riding on a horse and then is drinking? WTF
Last chapter pieck was out of her titan and now shes in titan form with that cannon?
For some reason eren has a new pair of shoes and pants? Didnt the jaw titan eat his legs?
I dont even know what to say... If this isnt memory manipulation then this is going to be one the worst chapters of the series. full of plotholes

Funseco said:
What a mess of a chapter...
How the hell is pixis riding on a horse and then is drinking? WTF
Last chapter pieck was out of her titan and now shes in titan form with that cannon?
For some reason eren has a new pair of shoes and pants? Didnt the jaw titan eat his legs?
I dont even know what to say... If this isnt memory manipulation then this is going to be one the worst chapters of the series. full of plotholes

SethBigBoss said:



1)The gun shouldn't be attached to the cart titan anymore since the gun is stuck to the vaporizing Cart Titan corpse The cannon was already propped up on its legs, all Pieck had to do with immediately shift after the first shot and slip into the space beneath the cannon. Strapping on the cannon would be the longest part of the whole process. If we just imagine Porco attacking Eren to be dragged out a little longer, it's not unreasonable that Pieck would have gotten ready so quickly. It was literally stated that they only had one shot last chapter. yet suddenly she's in the titan and the Corps are trying to prevent another shot the surprise attack is only one shot after that it's not a surprise anymore... it was never said they only had one bullet left.

3)We know that Zeke's control over his Titans is imperfect and that some of them can occasionally override his commands as demonstrated by the Clash of the Titans arc. Porco, being outside of his Titan form, was likely a more appealing target for Falco's Titan than Reiner.

4) Stamina isn't unlimited, 3 shots in the head, a lot of healing to do, the wht is taxing in stamina, same for the hardening

5) No ? you can see steam coming from him from most of the fight or continual cracks on him.

6)on carriage ? what are you saying? He is in a building with the others soldiers firing through the windows...so why would he be in a building while he was on a horse? Because they used the horses to come closer to the enemies and they wouldn't fight without taking cover in the buildings, right....?

7) Gabi and Falco spent a month in the Braus stables. There's nothing that says that they couldn't have learned how to ride horses there, especially to help out with more stable work.


Many inconsistencies? Many misunderstandings from your side instead, there no explanation only for 2)

Nim0174 said:
why do people think he is manipulating memories?
clearly he can only manipulate eldians, there are tons of marleyans there..
like dudes come on..

Lotuschild said:
With the theory that Eren is changing eldians memories or what they are seeing. When Zeke says he is going to shout Erens titans hand is facing the direction of zeke as he says wait. A panel shows the two brothers and Zekes eyes seem to resemble Erin’s when they didn’t before. Zekes eyes look like Erin’s as if he is under control. The two brothers both look in the direction of porco and his brother but what is that’s the start of were the illusion took place.

ThatShiny_Hex said:


Maybe Eren's plan has already started? Maybe everything that has been happening is from Zeke's POV? Remember that Eren's eyes were different in the ending of chapter 118, when Zeke fell from the wall. Also, Eren's been acting out of character in the chapter.

Edit: There already was a foreshadowing that we're getting everything from Zeke's POV, the last panel of chapter 116: Your brother is here

Ralonzo said:


Too many times Isayama has foreshadowed stuff to be this careless. It has to mean something. How many consecutive times has Eren beat the living hell out of Reiner? Now he's leaving a decoy and running in terror, in human form? From Jobner? C'mon.

Not only that, but one of the special powers of Shingeki is ultra-fast, almost instant healing. Wouldn't surprise me if Eren had a mini-me body sprouted by the time he lands on Zeke, Deadpool-style.

Vivekananda said:
People are theorising in Reddit that Eren used the FT powers to manipulate everyone's memories that his head got blown up.


The basis of this is last chapter Zeke's blood fell on Eren when he was shot and his eye colour changed indicating the FT powers activated.


https://m.imgur.com/a/BjzfaTy#WUxmon8

captb3664 said:


Nice theory, it's really miiind blooowing...

Hhguf said:

No this theroy just like bleach failures

Danpmss said:
Well I will beg to disagree with some people in this discussion, as I really liked the chapter and find it to be well set up for a foreshadowed game change for Eren's side, while also having my own especulations on what is actually going on.

In the previous chapter Zeke's blood entered in contact with Eren at some point and his eyes changed much like when titan powers get triggered in other circumstances in the past. Eren is likely safe from dying by using the Founding Titan's manipulation of Eldian minds (which are the only ones doing an attack on the titans no pun intended), and there's also the possibility of him splitting his body with the power he gained from the titan in Marley, not to mention the worst case scenario being him transferring his consciousness into his nervous system, given that Big Bro Zeke here had more than enough time to explain him about it back when he was infiltrated.

This is all possible since Eren clearly noticed Gabi before she shot him, therefore I HARDLY believe he is dying in here (if he does I'd be genuinely surprised), justificably so.

As for Gabi getting hate for what she just did, she is clearly more than justified enough to shot Eren at this point for several reasons that are as comprehensible as Eren's youngself's own behavior (and she looks like quite the exemplary paralel at her young age).

I don't mind people getting pissed for rooting for Eren just for her to interfer in his obscure plans (which apparently did not involve Zeke using his shout to transform the infected Eldians), but getting pissed at her character after seeing her entire perspective thus far and just all that she just got through, especially at her age, it's just ridiculous in my eyes.

Then again, a lot of people hated pre-Uprising Eren, so I guess character development be damned if the character in question started that way, huh?

Anyway, my little rant aside, can we have a body count for all of the Eldian named characters transformed in this chapter?

This is the chapter with the most significant deaths altogether in a while now.

4,75/5

Rudrasura said:


I am Sorry, But Having Significant Character Deaths alone doesn't make a Good Story. Just ask D&D #RIP.GOT.Macqueen.