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https://www.thedailybeast.com/shocking-new-photos-hundreds-of-migrants-crammed-into-border-facility

>I’m following MAL rules that you must put the article title as the thread title, but my real opinion is as follows....

Let the world see, that the United States Government is GUILTY of crimes against humanity...

I’m glad all the horrible shit that is happening in the border is being brought to light so no one can claim “they didn’t know”.

The word “Concentration Camp” is being thrown around...and seeing as 6 KIDS have already died in the hands of U.S border officials...that’s not exactly an incorrect term.
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Not really sure what to say since it's not really surprising these days
 
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My parents being immigrants, I thought the US was such a dope place growing up. Now that I've grown up, it doesn't seem that way anymore. Million other places I'd rather be than here.
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I remember reading about a time the US did a similar tactic and later regretted it due to the financial strain these methods produced. I wonder if it will learn its lesson, cause we'll find out when we pay this bill (over other priorities).
 
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why they trying to cross illegally in first plaec, their own fault. & their own fault for bringing kids into it.

processing ppls that usually carry no documentation takes a long while, especially when people enter with kids.
need to be sure kids are accompanied by actual parents & not strangers trying to sell them for child labor/sex slavery.

also daily beast not repuptable src. could have at least used moer mainstream news outlets repoprting saem thing.
 
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Not really sure what to say since it's not really surprising these days
I'm shocked that they made no effort to hide it, you'd expect them to at least be on their best behavior when the Congresspeople came
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traed said:
Not really sure what to say since it's not really surprising these days
I'm shocked that they made no effort to hide it, you'd expect them to at least be on their best behavior when the Congresspeople came

They lazily hide their Facebook content too
https://www.propublica.org/article/secret-border-patrol-facebook-group-agents-joke-about-migrant-deaths-post-sexist-memes
 
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why they trying to cross illegally in first plaec, their own fault. & their own fault for bringing kids into it.

processing ppls that usually carry no documentation takes a long while, especially when people enter with kids.
need to be sure kids are accompanied by actual parents & not strangers trying to sell them for child labor/sex slavery.

also daily beast not repuptable src. could have at least used moer mainstream news outlets repoprting saem thing.
Asylum isn't illegal at any specific point of entry, and its judicial oversight to process their claims, not executive purview~~nuff said
 
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migrant crisis will only get worse once climate change worsens more

also i heard that there is a secret Facebook group of the border patrols there in USA and they speak nasty like dehumanizes this none USA people

but as Trump claims the USA is full and if the USA becomes overpopulated more then the GDP per capita will suffer too making the USA a poor country

although you got counter arguments about what Trump claims like this
Trump Says the U.S. Is ‘Full.’ Much of the Nation Has the Opposite Problem.
An aging population and a declining birthrate among the native-born population mean a shrinking work force in many areas. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/upshot/trump-america-full-or-emptying.html

 
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yukai- said:
traed said:
Not really sure what to say since it's not really surprising these days
I'm shocked that they made no effort to hide it, you'd expect them to at least be on their best behavior when the Congresspeople came
That's true, they didn't hide it, in fact, the government posted it:
https://www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/assets/2019-07/OIG-19-51-Jul19_.pdf

That's likely how the news team found out:
"On Tuesday afternoon, the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of the Inspector General illustrated the dire conditions in such facilities with the release of a report warning that inspections of Border Patrol facilities along the U.S. southern border have revealed “serious overcrowding and prolonged detention” of unaccompanied migrant children."
What was underlined is the link to the report(which is how I found it). It is terrible this is happening, but like OP said it's a good thing it is brought attention to. I don't really trust the site though as most links on there lead to another article on their own website especially when denying the immigrants could leave(such as here: "The remark, which is factually incorrect, was made in response...") The other underlined part was what was linked in that section.
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Sorry the accommodations aren't 5 star when you illegally cross the border.

It's almost like the USA isn't currently equiped to handle a massive influx of refugees and what not. Who would of thought.

Open your homes to them once they get processed. They have no where to live guys.
 
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--ALEX-- said:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/shocking-new-photos-hundreds-of-migrants-crammed-into-border-facility

>I’m following MAL rules that you must put the article title as the thread title, but my real opinion is as follows....

Let the world see, that the United States Government is GUILTY of crimes against humanity...

I’m glad all the horrible shit that is happening in the border is being brought to light so no one can claim “they didn’t know”.

The word “Concentration Camp” is being thrown around...and seeing as 6 KIDS have already died in the hands of U.S border officials...that’s not exactly an incorrect term.


Just because someone claims asylum doesn't mean we take their word for it.They need to be verified that they actually do qualify for asylum, that they are who they say they are and that they don't have any dangerous diseases.

The idea that the deaths of those kids is somehow the border patrol is laughable. Those kids were already sick when they reached the border. Being dragged thousands of miles from one country to another can have a negative effect on someone who is already sick.

The reason for the cramped conditions is because of a shit load of people trying to come into the country all at once and the fact democrats won't approve of funding for better detention facilities.

The word concentration camp is being thrown around by open borders retards trying to equate what the jews went through to people being temporarily detained until their asylum claims and identities check out.
 
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Basically what @ezikialrage said.....

The US isn't forcing these people to come here, they crossed the border illegally on their own free will and they are facing unpleasant consequences for their actions; something that tends to happen when you break the law. Normally conditions for detainees are not this bad, but the problem is that the massive influx of illegal migrants is overpacking the facilities. These facilities are not built to handle such huge numbers, the people that are dragging their kids through this crap deserve to be charged with a "crime against humanity", not the U.S.

Calling these people asylum seekers and not illegal aliens is idiotic since these people are not seeking asylum, they could have done that in Mexico. U.N. Asylum laws don't apply to these people.

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Sorry the accommodations aren't 5 star when you illegally cross the border.

It's almost like the USA isn't currently equiped to handle a massive influx of refugees and what not. Who would of thought.

Open your homes to them once they get processed. They have no where to live guys.
5 Star?--I'm sure they would settle with standards. No one said they needed perfume soaps and a tempur-pedic, but soap and sleep (not on top of another person) should meet that. Also, a large portion of the group have relatives in the states, so they can live with them like they were most likely going to do anyways.

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Basically what @ezikialrage said.....

The US isn't forcing these people to come here, they crossed the border illegally on their own free will and they are facing unpleasant consequences for their actions; something that tends to happen when you break the law. Normally conditions for detainees are not this bad, but the problem is that the massive influx of illegal migrants is overpacking the facilities. These facilities are not built to handle such huge numbers, the people that are dragging their kids through this crap deserve to be charged with a "crime against humanity", not the U.S.

Calling these people asylum seekers and not illegal aliens is idiotic since these people are not seeking asylum, they could have done that in Mexico. U.N. Asylum laws don't apply to these people.

Then you don't know the difference between asylum and illegal immigration. The facilities don't have to be designed to hold more if, the executive branch would do the other portion of its job by getting judges (which isn't even a Congressional holdup for these appointments). US asylum laws apply, but aren't being met.

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Just because someone claims asylum doesn't mean we take their word for it.They need to be verified that they actually do qualify for asylum, that they are who they say they are and that they don't have any dangerous diseases.

The idea that the deaths of those kids is somehow the border patrol is laughable. Those kids were already sick when they reached the border. Being dragged thousands of miles from one country to another can have a negative effect on someone who is already sick.



The word concentration camp is being thrown around by open borders retards trying to equate what the jews went through to people being temporarily detained until their asylum claims and identities check out.
Would internment camp be better? lol I need to apply your logic more lol
And verification is through the courts, which is why they are allowed to claim Asylum in such a way. Children known to be sick at point of contact are supposed to treated by medical staff, not held in detainment. Somehow border patrol knows enough to do that, yet failed to ensure the process started--so it is their fault, by virtue of it being on their watch. Try again.
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BREAKING NEWS: 0% of all people who stay in their own countries end up in border facilities!

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5 Star?--I'm sure they would settle with standards. No one said they needed perfume soaps and a tempur-pedic, but soap and sleep (not on top of another person) should meet that. Also, a large portion of the group have relatives in the states, so they can live with them like they were most likely going to do anyways.


Until it can verified that these people are who they say they are, are actual asylum seekers and not carrying dangerous diseases they shouldn't be allowed to step foot in the US.



Then you don't know the difference between asylum and illegal immigration.


If they were asylum seekers then they should have stopped in Mexico seeing how that is the closest country that offered asylum. Instead they chose to cross thousands of miles through Mexico and go the US.

US asylum laws apply, but aren't being met.


If should be verified these people are actual asylum seekers first before being allowed in the US.

Would internment camp be better?

Detention facilities are what they are. Trying to equate what these people are going as the same thing as what Jews or even American citizens of Japanese, Italian or German decent went through is absurd.

And verification is through the courts, which is why they are allowed to claim Asylum in such a way.


Until its been verified that they actually qualify for asylum they shouldn't be allowed loose in the US where they can disappear and not show up for a court date.

Children known to be sick at point of contact are supposed to treated by medical staff, not held in detainment. Somehow border patrol knows enough to do that, yet failed to ensure the process started--so it is their fault, by virtue of it being on their watch. Try again.


Did the border patrol actually know if these children were sick? Or is just left wing pro-illegal immigration sources and open border retards that are claiming that border patrol knew these kids were sick?
 
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lmao they enter a country illegally and expect to be treated as a normal citizen.

What is this?

If you're not happy with the way you are treated, go back to your country.
 
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lmao they enter a country illegally and expect to be treated as a normal citizen.

What is this?

If you're not happy with the way you are treated, go back to your country.


Tell that to the kids who have been separated from their parents.

They can't go back to their countries because they are being detained

They are asylum seekers and it isn't illegal.
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BREAKING NEWS: 0% of all people who stay in their own countries end up in border facilities!

More at 11.


Did you know that for the last century the United States has involved itself in the politics of other countries? It's arguable that this immigration crisis is just America reaping what it's sown.

Did you know that private prison companies are profiting off of this situation. The longer people are locked in the concentration camps the more money they make.
 
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"Until it can verified that these people are who they say they are, are actual asylum seekers and not carrying dangerous diseases they shouldn't be allowed to step foot in the US."
Since this is your post pretty much

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US asylum laws apply, but aren't being met.

Detention facilities are what they are. Trying to equate what these people are going as the same thing as what Jews or even American citizens of Japanese, Italian or German decent went through is absurd.
You equating German concentration camps with American internment camps is absurd. And really? Italian and German Americans faced social prejudice even during wartime, but never detainment on the Japanese American level; and even that was selective based on money. But to address you essential comment, overcrowding in private run facilities, lacking in basic needs doesn't fit the nation's standard for "detainment". Same principle in most areas that requires housing of people in the US, regardless whose in them.
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And verification is through the courts, which is why they are allowed to claim Asylum in such a way.
Until its been verified that they actually qualify for asylum they shouldn't be allowed loose in the US where they can disappear and not show up for a court date.
So I take it English is your second language or you don't understand something: The Courts do the verifying (Immigration courts at large have not replenished their seat for judges; who are appointed by Presidents) due to processing them under 'criminal immigration' first who suffers from a lack of judges (this President has not appointed to Immigration court, though he could with or w/o Congress) instead of Civil Immigration court (who could work on it faster, although also suffering from lack of judge seats not being filled). So you're insinuating US Border Patrol intentionally didn't do their job when they assigned the people into the detention facility? I'd rather believe they messed up cause atleast they would being doing their job, which is what they were doing. If you want people vetted, then why send it to the department that can't process quick enough due to internal issues. You're being obtuse, cause your reasoning is off and you're thinking off of sentiment.
 
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Sorry the accommodations aren't 5 star when you illegally cross the border.

It's almost like the USA isn't currently equiped to handle a massive influx of refugees and what not. Who would of thought.

Open your homes to them once they get processed. They have now where to live guys.


I know it's not a perfect one-to-one comparison but I bet you would've been spouting similar rhetoric in 1940s Germany. I can easily imagine you being like "Germany is not equipped to handle Jewish people right now and if they had just stayed in their place and followed laws they would't be in concentration camps".

You even have Hitler as your one and only favorite person. I'm actually really happy you're almost an unambiguous Nazi though. Now I know to keep my eye on you.
 
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Milennin said:
BREAKING NEWS: 0% of all people who stay in their own countries end up in border facilities!

More at 11.


Did you know that for the last century the United States has involved itself in the politics of other countries? It's arguable that this immigration crisis is just America reaping what it's sown.

Did you know that private prison companies are profiting off of this situation. The longer people are locked in the concentration camps the more money they make.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFBkN9M_Tk0
Like this video describes but she fails to acknowledge Nicaragua and a couple other countries, all to fight off the "Latin Socialism", sell weapons, and control drugs on the black market--while instilling American interests. Good times, horrible name.
 
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So I take it English is your second language or you don't understand something: The Courts do the verifying (Immigration courts at large have not replenished their seat for judges; who are appointed by Presidents) due to processing them under 'criminal immigration' first who suffers from a lack of judges (this President has not appointed to Immigration court, though he could with or w/o Congress) instead of Civil Immigration court (who could work on it faster, although also suffering from lack of judge seats not being filled). So you're insinuating US Border Patrol intentionally didn't do their job when they assigned the people into the detention facility? I'd rather believe they messed up cause atleast they would being doing their job, which is what they were doing. If you want people vetted, then why send it to the department that can't process quick enough due to internal issues. You're being obtuse, cause your reasoning is off and you're thinking off of sentiment.


kinda funny how trump has his base so worked up over this issue yet none of them actually bothered to learn how immigration and asylum seeking is handled or how any of it actually works.

If they did pretty sure the vast majority would have noticed by now trumps not actually doing anything to fixes whats actually broken i.e the immigration courts. which have less then 450 judges compare that to the 30,000 state judges, and 1,700 federal judges. not to mention they are using out dated tech.

instead trump has his base screaming drunkenly about a physical barrier which effectiveness is substandard in modern times.

then again trump himself did claim he loved the uneducated i wonder why >_>
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Tapertrain said:
Did you know that for the last century the United States has involved itself in the politics of other countries? It's arguable that this immigration crisis is just America reaping what it's sown.

That's not even what the thread is about. Thousands of people flooding a country's borders and then shocked at them being put into border facilities because there's only so much a place can handle at once, and then still going literally surprisedpikachu.jpeg. Like, wut?

Don't want to be put into border facilities?
-Stay in your country.
-Move in legally.
 
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Honestly, what is the problem here? We have children suffering in our nation right yet somehow we are still concerned for these invasive species just because immigration is a touchy subject right now. Where are your priorities?

I don't believe we should provide terrible conditions for them, but you reap what you sew right? Illegally immigrate to a less tolerable nation and you will be shot on site.



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Milennin said:
Tapertrain said:
Did you know that for the last century the United States has involved itself in the politics of other countries? It's arguable that this immigration crisis is just America reaping what it's sown.

That's not even what the thread is about. Thousands of people flooding a country's borders and then shocked at them being put into border facilities because there's only so much a place can handle at once, and then still going literally surprisedpikachu.jpeg. Like, wut?

Don't want to be put into border facilities?
-Stay in your country.
-Move in legally.
You know thats not how asylum seeking works. When the Europeans tried that method of stay and apply in the 40s to the US, who would think the thing they wanted to get away from (political regimes bent on their destruction) would get the people before they were accepted. Thats why asylum doesn't work on a wait where you live basis.

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Honestly, what is the problem here? We have children suffering in our nation right yet somehow we are still concerned for these invasive species just because immigration is a touchy subject right now. Where are your priorities?

I don't believe we should provide terrible conditions for them, but you reap what you sew right? Illegally immigrate to a less tolerable nation and you will be shot on site.
I normally don't do this--but you're just a racist trying not to be one by describing anyone an invasive species (Last I heard they were atleast human) and the reason it matters is these people are under government custody meaning they are allowed standards. now if you'd like the government to round up the kids that are suffering in the States (I'm for it) then the same rules apply. This would be different if they had the option to leave or even change their mind, but they are detained until--well they haven't quite made a plan for after other than charge them with a crime so they can never have a clean record to try and get in, but many of these people end up being admitted to stay (non-permanently). It would be easier to process them normally and require their home countries to restructure so they can stay then leave quickly, instead of the now incentive to stay cause its hard to leave or go.
 
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If you replace first world population with third world population you become third world.
Illegal migrants don't belong in USA they should be deported and those who choose to come illegally should be dealt with force. If anything trump has been soft on them.
Also you can't have a welfare state and migrants those two don't mesh well together
Yeah, except that hasn't happened yet or at all..and the US allowed alot of third world Europeans in--have you seen the Irish or Germans--dirty people. Even Franklin had to agree *eyeroll
 
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Waah I'm a racist because I called them an invasive species : ( . They are invasive, yes? And they are humans so therefore they are a species, yes?

Okay, they are detained and will have a criminal record for the rest of their lives, who cares? If they do something illegal, they are criminals, so I don't see the point here. Tbh anyone trying to enter the country should be shot on sight.



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Waah I'm a racist because I called them an invasive species : ( . They are invasive, yes? And they are humans so therefore they are a species, yes?

Okay, they are detained and will have a criminal record for the rest of their lives, who cares? If they do something illegal, they are criminals, so I don't see the point here. Tbh anyone trying to enter the country should be shot on sight.
but your human to and there for of the same species yes? are you calling yourself an invasive species?
That would fall under cruel and unusual punishment.

And most countries don't shoot on sight.

Unless your using north korea as a measuring standard for
the world.

illegal corssing is a victimless crime.
are you going to murder people for jay walking As well?
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Waah I'm a racist because I called them an invasive species : ( . They are invasive, yes? And they are humans so therefore they are a species, yes?

Okay, they are detained and will have a criminal record for the rest of their lives, who cares? If they do something illegal, they are criminals, so I don't see the point here. Tbh anyone trying to enter the country should be shot on sight.
but your human to and there for of the same species yes? are you calling yourself an invasive species?
That would fall under cruel and unusual punishment.

And most countries don't shoot on sight.

Unless your using north korea as a measuring standard for
the world.

illegal corssing is a victimless crime.
are you going to murder people for jay walking As well?


A species, yes, invasive, no, for I am not invading any country. If the street was the border between U.S and Mexico and I was a border guard then yeah.



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Okay, they are detained and will have a criminal record for the rest of their lives, who cares? If they do something illegal, they are criminals, so I don't see the point here. Tbh anyone trying to enter the country should be shot on sight.
Yes, you are though maybe not an active one. Seeking asylum (even crossing through Mexico) isn't a crime. The point is to apply for asylum and stuff, part of the consideration is criminal acts--having one for trying to gain asylum stops the process before it started--criminal courts get stuck having to redo (remove criminal part) to allow asylum claims so they can begin normal proceedings. Its like going to DMV and then getting a number that says you can't be seen; you go to clerk and they have to give you the correct ticket and you still get in line and wait to see the clerk. In the end you still see the clerk, and are still allowed to finish your business--now if you died in the line cause the DMV wouldn't let you leave until you saw that clerk cause the ticket you originally had--then its the DMV's fault you died.
 
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but your human to and there for of the same species yes? are you calling yourself an invasive species?
That would fall under cruel and unusual punishment.

And most countries don't shoot on sight.

Unless your using north korea as a measuring standard for
the world.

illegal corssing is a victimless crime.
are you going to murder people for jay walking As well?


A species, yes, invasive, no, for I am not invading any country. If the street was the border between U.S and Mexico and I was a border guard then yeah.
your strawmaning hard.
All humans are the same species so they cant be an invasive species while the same species is already living there. Now if a bunch of tiger started populating the area then that would be an invasive species, but still illegal to shoot because most tigers are under endanged species protections.

Well they won't because shooting citizens of other countries is how you start wars.

And its illegal to shot people who are not actively trying to kill you in most countries. (Again not counting north Korea.)

Crosding border =/= murderous intent.
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Yeah, except that hasn't happened yet or at all..and the US allowed alot of third world Europeans in--have you seen the Irish or Germans--dirty people. Even Franklin had to agree *eyeroll


Germany is a first world country not a third world.
I'am not sure if your referring to early american history but if you are then you should know that there wasn't welfare in that time period.
Yes there was, why do you think the Government/State created it for?

And Germany wasn't first world enough apparently--https://www.dialoginternational.com/dialog_international/2008/02/ben-franklin-on.html
http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2014/04/02/teddy-roosevelts-real-views-on-immigration/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3261279/The-heartbreaking-pictures-New-York-s-slums-prompted-social-reform-earned-muckraking-immigrant-photographer-praise-city-s-useful-citizen.html
 
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Did you know that for the last century the United States has involved itself in the politics of other countries? It's arguable that this immigration crisis is just America reaping what it's sown.

That's not even what the thread is about. Thousands of people flooding a country's borders and then shocked at them being put into border facilities because there's only so much a place can handle at once, and then still going literally surprisedpikachu.jpeg. Like, wut?

Don't want to be put into border facilities?
-Stay in your country.
-Move in legally.


My point was that America does not exist in its own bubble and that during this crisis it shouldn't close it boarders.

What's the point in even detaining them at all?

I should also ask if you are okay with the separation of children from their parents.
 
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The reason this is the case is because the democrats won't approve more funding for ICE. Pretty simple, they just don't have enough money.

Comparing this to Nazi concentration camps is so slimy. There's an important distinction to be made which is that we are not intentionally exterminating people. Jews did not Flood Nazi Germany by the millions because they wanted to be there so badly.
 
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The reason this is the case is because the democrats won't approve more funding for ICE. Pretty simple, they just don't have enough money.

Comparing this to Nazi concentration camps is so slimy. There's an important distinction to be made which is that we are not intentionally exterminating people. Jews did not Flood Nazi Germany by the millions because they wanted to be there so badly.

Except the bigger issue as people here have pointed out is that Trump isn't appointing more judges to deal with the people currently waiting. Getting them out of the facilities and through the asylum seeking system has very minimal to do with ICE.

The democrats also did offer funding for border security on a number of occasions they just explicitly declared on most of those occasions that none of the money could be used on a wall. In fact as of last month they released a spending bill in the house that would increase the Department of Homeland Security's budget by $2.2 billion.

But even then budget only can be used as an excuse to a degree when it involves all of the blatant detention policy violations they have incurred.
As for comparisons do you prefer the one that at least Somali pirates and Terrorists had the decency to make sure their hostages had access to basic hygiene products?
 
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why they trying to cross illegally in first plaec, their own fault. & their own fault for bringing kids into it.

processing ppls that usually carry no documentation takes a long while, especially when people enter with kids.
need to be sure kids are accompanied by actual parents & not strangers trying to sell them for child labor/sex slavery.

also daily beast not repuptable src. could have at least used moer mainstream news outlets repoprting saem thing.
Asylum isn't illegal at any specific point of entry, and its judicial oversight to process their claims, not executive purview~~nuff said


We could just turn them back and not go through all this extra work like the containment, separation etc. but it's too late for seeing how this turned out just to send a "message".

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Ryuk9428 said:
The reason this is the case is because the democrats won't approve more funding for ICE. Pretty simple, they just don't have enough money.

Comparing this to Nazi concentration camps is so slimy. There's an important distinction to be made which is that we are not intentionally exterminating people. Jews did not Flood Nazi Germany by the millions because they wanted to be there so badly.

Except the bigger issue as people here have pointed out is that Trump isn't appointing more judges to deal with the people currently waiting. Getting them out of the facilities and through the asylum seeking system has very minimal to do with ICE.

The democrats also did offer funding for border security on a number of occasions they just explicitly declared on most of those occasions that none of the money could be used on a wall. In fact as of last month they released a spending bill in the house that would increase the Department of Homeland Security's budget by $2.2 billion.

But even then budget only can be used as an excuse to a degree when it involves all of the blatant detention policy violations they have incurred.
As for comparisons do you prefer the one that at least Somali pirates and Terrorists had the decency to make sure their hostages had access to basic hygiene products?


The bigger issue is that they're not just being sent immediately back over the border. We've got overcrowded facilities, well, there's a very easy way to solve that issue given that they shouldn't even be here in the first place. We waste incredible amounts of time with bureaucracy when we could just take them all and send them back over the border and say "go through the proper channels if you wanna live here."

I don't know how well a wall would work either but are they gonna whine and complain about it so much that they'd rather have overcrowded facilities that don't have to funds to take care of people while they are there?
 
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Except the bigger issue as people here have pointed out is that Trump isn't appointing more judges to deal with the people currently waiting. Getting them out of the facilities and through the asylum seeking system has very minimal to do with ICE.

The democrats also did offer funding for border security on a number of occasions they just explicitly declared on most of those occasions that none of the money could be used on a wall. In fact as of last month they released a spending bill in the house that would increase the Department of Homeland Security's budget by $2.2 billion.

But even then budget only can be used as an excuse to a degree when it involves all of the blatant detention policy violations they have incurred.
As for comparisons do you prefer the one that at least Somali pirates and Terrorists had the decency to make sure their hostages had access to basic hygiene products?


The bigger issue is that they're not just being sent immediately back over the border. We've got overcrowded facilities, well, there's a very easy way to solve that issue given that they shouldn't even be here in the first place. We waste incredible amounts of time with bureaucracy when we could just take them all and send them back over the border and say "go through the proper channels if you wanna live here."

I don't know how well a wall would work either but are they gonna whine and complain about it so much that they'd rather have overcrowded facilities that don't have to funds to take care of people while they are there?

Except according to the current law people can apply for asylum at any point upon reaching the country. But the issue with a lack of judges it means that not only does it effect asylum seekers wait time to determine their eligibility to enter the country but it creates a backlog for all people attempting to immigrate. So even if they go through the proper channels since the system is so underpopulated and broken they could be waiting decades.

If the detention facilities were also following their own policies most people would be relocated within a period of 72 hours (specifically it's directly against policy to keep children detained for that period of time but they've been found to be violating that policy). Also according to the Chief Patrol Agent he personally claimed that facilities 300 miles away were not facing similar challenges so there's really no excuse to not relocate people if overcrowding or lacking supplies is becoming an issue at select facilities.

Really the biggest factor here is border patrol just isn't maintaining a similar standard for their facilities and breaking their own policies which means there's a lack of proper oversight and they aren't being held accountable.
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When you consider what an absolute shithole the US is, why do people continue to run there to immigrate. Do they like being oppressed?
 
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When you consider what an absolute shithole the US is, why do people continue to run there to immigrate. Do they like being oppressed?


Clearly, they don't think the US is a shithole. Would you rather live in horrible squalor, under constant fear of drug cartels extorting money from you and threatening to kill you and your family if you do not comply or would you rather live in the US where one political party is offering you free healthcare, free education, and largely free from the kind of criminal organizations that control certain parts of their home countries.
 
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we've known about this situation for months now, makes no difference

xenophobes on the right will downplay it to death
 
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When you consider what an absolute shithole the US is, why do people continue to run there to immigrate. Do they like being oppressed?


Clearly, they don't think the US is a shithole. Would you rather live in horrible squalor, under constant fear of drug cartels extorting money from you and threatening to kill you and your family if you do not comply


So basically the south side of Chicago?
 
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I kinda have to be the one that mentions that this is actually because of the Cold War is over, Russia isn't our enemy Obama the difference is that instead of them being immediately deported they're holding them.
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The left wing narrative often fails to mention why children are separated from their parents. It's so they can sort out whether those children are actually their kids or not. You're treated differently when you come over with a kid, and gang bangers know this.
 
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The left wing narrative often fails to mention why children are separated from their parents. It's so they can sort out whether those children are actually their kids or not. You're treated differently when you come over with a kid, and gang bangers know this.
Probably cause the issue here is one department not meeting it's own standards regardless of personal relations..they can atleast be expected to meet their own rules w/o having to make Congress into their babysitter.
 
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Silverstorm said:
SpamuraiSensei said:
The left wing narrative often fails to mention why children are separated from their parents. It's so they can sort out whether those children are actually their kids or not. You're treated differently when you come over with a kid, and gang bangers know this.
Probably cause the issue here is one department not meeting it's own standards regardless of personal relations..they can atleast be expected to meet their own rules w/o having to make Congress into their babysitter.
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Sounds to me like they were never equipped to handle so many people. I don't know how familiar you are with american government agencies, but they all move at a snails pace.
 
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Probably cause the issue here is one department not meeting it's own standards regardless of personal relations..they can atleast be expected to meet their own rules w/o having to make Congress into their babysitter.
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Sounds to me like they were never equipped to handle so many people. I don't know how familiar you are with american government agencies, but they all move at a snails pace.
Sounds to me like you didn't read the posts in the thread--so not retreading the same water. All departments move slowly until they want to. Check out the wrong site, you'd find out before anyone here how fast one moves when they want you.
 
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The reason that Mexico exists in the first place is because after the Mexican-American War we didn't want them to be in the USA because of Racism. As a sign of getting past racism we should conquer Mexico.
 
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Clearly, they don't think the US is a shithole. Would you rather live in horrible squalor, under constant fear of drug cartels extorting money from you and threatening to kill you and your family if you do not comply


So basically the south side of Chicago?


Chicago's crime rate is higher than average but has been seriously exaggerated. None of the crime in the US is even remotely on the level of Mexico's.

The Mexican drug cartels operate with enormous impunity. They've committed numerous massacres against Mexican civilians involving dozens and even hundreds of victims. They've burned school buses full of children to get to their rivals. They hang dead bodies from public bridges and threaten politicians. In the city of Reynosa. A city with 700,000 people and a substantial police force. The cartels actually killed half of the entire local police force in a matter of 3 years prompting the federal police to replace them entirely. That's thousands of cops dead in one city in a matter of a few years.

So what was that about Chicago's street gangs?
 
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So basically the south side of Chicago?


Chicago's crime rate is higher than average but has been seriously exaggerated. None of the crime in the US is even remotely on the level of Mexico's.

The Mexican drug cartels operate with enormous impunity. They've committed numerous massacres against Mexican civilians involving dozens and even hundreds of victims. They've burned school buses full of children to get to their rivals. They hang dead bodies from public bridges and threaten politicians. In the city of Reynosa. A city with 700,000 people and a substantial police force. The cartels actually killed half of the entire local police force in a matter of 3 years prompting the federal police to replace them entirely. That's thousands of cops dead in one city in a matter of a few years.

So what was that about Chicago's street gangs?
Why are you arguing points for people to not seek asylum in Mexico? The way you make cartels sound, I'd rather not live in Mexico or the US--maybe they should just process for Canada..
 
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