Nemo_Niemand said: I do enjoy everything scored higher than 2-3. (...) keep watching One piece (880+ episodes) while I rated it only a 4.. Imo having 8+ is much more cancerous thing Couldn't agree more. Enjoyment is a question of genre, your mood, and intoxication level. I enjoyed everything rated 5+, and if it's from a genre I favour, everything 4+. The same holds for genres I don't like such as Action, Shounen and Superhero. Well done specimen from those genres still get a 6-8 rating from me to acknowledge the skill used to make them. A 9-10 requires both high craftsmanship and resonating with my individual taste. Not using the full rating range means to play piano using only your nose and the left hand. |
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Saku_k said: That's all fine and dandy, but your score doesn't exist in a vacuum. (...) The majority of the people don't consider a 5 the same as you consider a 5. (...) A movie on rottentomatoes with a 50 is considered rotten. This is how the real world works True words, but your focus determines your reality. The trick I pull is viewing MAL trough a hand-picked friends list. Everybody on it shares my take on rating distribution, but not necessarily genre preferences and taste. Rather than using the official averaged rating, I only care for theirs. You would be amazed what a predictive power and nuanced assesment you get from this. And yes, it pains me to actually "hurt" good anime, as obviously 90% of my ratings are below the global averages. Also, I have to reject friends request meant as a "facebook friend" level nice guy relation because of rating averages. That in return gives my opinion less weight, as I naturally have fewer "followers" to influence. In the end I decided I rate for myself, and I want a list I could print out and tell a friend: watch them in this priority and you will see the good ones first. I pay the price associated with this. |
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| Some people love to criticize just because they like to do it. It's their right to do, even if it's objectively dumb. Many people with low mean score usually have their own rating system in which, for example, 4/10 doesn't have to mean that the show is bad, but it's just below their own average expectations or standards. A lot of mentioned above users clarify their rating systems, but some don't and I guess that's because some picky people keep spamming their profiles with mean comments. Everything from not being able to understand that not everyone has the same rating system in their minds. |
| Because people think others with a low score on things are elites. Trust me I've been mistaken as one a couple of times. When a lot of people didn't know I watched a lot of crappy short films and other crap that is really obscure. So my score was low because of that. Granted, I'm still thought of as an elite or a hipster depending on the person. But I don't let the judgement of others bug me like it used to. |
| "Even if there isn't a God or meaning behind life. That doesn't mean you can't create your own meaning and make the best out of life." |
AlphaRomo said: If you have a mean score around 5 you must just not really love any anime you've seen so far. The site has 5 as being average and 4 is bad so ideally if you liked anime and asked around or checked scores of anime before you watch them in the future your mean should improve. You should steadily be finding out what genres or studios you like and watch similar things. In the end it's all personal preference, watch what you want. I'd say you have that completely backwards. Most people with lower mean scores have definitely seen anime that they love. The important reason lies in not finding many new anime that they love like before. All your points are generally only for newer fans, which is pointless for the topic on hand because newer fans very rarely ever have low mean scores. People with lower means tend to have seen more than the average fan and their tastes are already well-established, and that ties into what I said before. |
PyroJun 25, 2019 8:30 PM
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| I have a low mean score because I watched a lot of seasonal shows that got mediocre over time. I also re-scored a lot of shows. A lot of 7s became 6s, 6s became 5s as a result of that. An 8 or above is a show I would rewatch. |
| I'll just sit here with my tasteless 7.4 and not care *sips tea*. Honestly I don't care much for scores. I score based on my tastes not anyone else's, which is what I feel a lot of people do, which means a lot of the scores don't matter in the long run. I tend to stick to anime I know I'll enjoy hence the higher scores. Rather than watch something I know I'll dislike and rate it poorly. But whatever floats people's boats. I'd like to point out that part of being a good reviewer is watching crap and then explain why it's crap, so I can understand a lot of the lower scores on Mal. |
PlatinumMummyJun 25, 2019 9:05 PM
| MAL users who have average score <= 5 are elitist critics with refined taste and other users on MAL are butthurt over the score they give to their favorite anime envious of their keen judgment and good taste. |
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| Back in my day we made fun of people with high mean scores. How the tables have turned. |
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AlphaRomo said: Pyro said: I'd say you have that completely backwards. Most people with lower mean scores have definitely seen anime that they love. The important reason lies in not finding many new anime that they love like before. All your points are generally only for newer fans, which is pointless for the topic on hand because newer fans very rarely ever have low mean scores. People with lower means tend to have seen more than the average fan and their tastes are already well-established, and that ties into what I said before. You don't have to rate every new show you watch a 10 but 6 is fine and 7 is good according to MAL. If you're not trying to watch shows you'll enjoy then why watch? I understand the point of people that watch really long shows that eventually go bad (*cough* bleach) but why would people not actively try to watch at least good shows (7). Also you said that people with lower means tend to have seen more anime but that isn't really factual. Their score will probably get diluted over time but it should reasonably still be above 5 (average) and surely 4 (bad). Pyro is right. You can't decide to watch good shows. You can watch something that appeals to you, but it's not going to make it automatically good. You can watch something others praise, it won't make it automatically good. Lots of shows rated 7+ on average on MAL I rated below 5. I couldn't guess they'd be bad, and watching the score did nothing to help me avoid them. The more you saw, the less obvious choices become and you start to watch random things. If you're going to watch 70s anime for example, gl. Nobody talks about them, nobody watches them, it's pretty much a coin toss every time. |
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AlphaRomo said: If you have a mean score around 5 you must just not really love any anime you've seen so far. The site has 5 as being average and 4 is bad so ideally if you liked anime and asked around or checked scores of anime before you watch them in the future your mean should improve. You should steadily be finding out what genres or studios you like and watch similar things. In the end it's all personal preference, watch what you want. My mean score is around 4.2 and yet somehow i loved A LOT of shows. Magic? You know, different people have different evaluation criteria. For me, for example, the series I gave 4 does not just mean they're bad. I find these shows pleasant at some point; they contained some elements that I liked, but were simply overwhelmed by rather more cons than pros |
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Thats the stupidest thing i ever heard, everyone in this forum has become dumber after listening to you. The rating scale is from 1 to 10. Everything else is trolling. If you have an average of 5 you either have no taste or common sense at the time of picking an anime. You throw a coin when deciding to watch anime therefore you never watch stuff you care or probably would like. If its lower you might even be trolling and using the scale from 1 to 5 instead of 1 to 10. My mean score its 6.50 because of the animes i watched when i was a child (that were all garbage) and because some horrible luck when picking popular animes. If you have over 3 million anime watched then the problem definitely is not your mean score... |
| I never lie on the internet. What's the point of it... the chinese noodles ad is an anime and avatar isn't! triggered Check out my taste and my profile. |
| I think a lot of people dont care about the extreme effort the studios and their workers do to create a show. I find really hard to rate any show lower than 5/10 just cause I respect all that workers a lot. Also I use to rate a show at least 6/10 if I enjoyed any part of it. |
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Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: First of all, this isn't a school. When you rate something on MAL, you have the guidelines right next to the value. In this case, 5 = average, 6 = fine, and so on. You are free to disagree, and can even use your own rating system, but those are the site-wide standards. And second, not everyone lives in the good ol' US of A or Japan. In my country, 50 is a passing score. It is the lowest score you can have without failing. That's in the "lower ranks" of education, in the higher ones it's 10 out of 20. Obviously, everyone wants to have a "Good" (70-89%), or higher, but most people get "Satisfactory" (50-69%). Again, the true average on this site is actually 5.5. Feel free to keep thinking that 7 = average. It's what most kids on this site do. But don't pretend that it's correct. -Edit- And I would like to reiterate: the more shows you watch, the more your mean score will naturally go down. If you've watched those five anime that looked absolutely incredible, and align perfectly with your taste, I won't begrudge you for having a mean score of 8, 9, or hell... even flat-out 10 out of 10! But if you've fully explored the medium, regularly gotten outside of your comfort zone, and exposed yourself to everything that the industry has to offer... then no, I don't see how you could still end up with such a high score. I'm sorry but this is nonsense. What do we have for spring anime? https://myanimelist.net/anime/season/2019/spring Hmm I guess every show barring 2 was above average, with those remaining 2 being just average. No bad anime! What an amazing season! Wait, almost every show every season would be above average. If you don't like the school comparison, then use almost any other metric. I mentioned metacritic and rotten tomatoes. Look at reviews by people who give shows a 5, the majority of the review will be negative. You can go on and on about 5.5 all you want, but the majority of people will consider an average quality show, to be something of around a 6 or a 7. And this is hardly something unique to anime or MAL. But yeah, everybody else in the world is wrong, and only you lucky few truly know what score an average series deserves. |
Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: Gingko said: I think a lot of people dont care about the extreme effort the studios and their workers do to create a show. I find really hard to rate any show lower than 5/10 just cause I respect all that workers a lot. Once you enter the working place, you realize that everything you do will forever be subject to scrutiny. Criticism is something that any adult can handle. Even in its "not so polite" forms, to be honest. It's a part of life. These shows are products. They're on store shelves to be sold, they're on streaming services, and they're even on TV, supported by all kinds of advertisement. They spawn all forms of merchandise known to man. Don't ever feel bad for providing feedback. I see this a lot when certain shows end, Game of Thrones being the latest example. People don't want to offend the creators, because "they worked so hard." We all work hard. We all handle negative feedback. People aren't porcelain dolls that need to have their feelings coddled and given "participation trophies" for everything they do in life. Thanks for the advise dude. I always watch a show with critic view, and I can think something is average but I dont get mad if I find something like that. Maybe I´m insecure. I dont know anything about graphic arts, animation and these stuffs I just can have an objetive view of the plot and narrative aspects cause that´s my brach of work, so It´s posible that I ignore all the fails in graphics, so I dont know how hard animators and artists have to work to make a show. To be honest, the starting point of my critical view is "can I do this?", "can I do it better", so depending on that I rate the narrative of a show, and I dont use to see too many mistakes actually. PS: Btw, I know creators are exposed to be criticized, I´m used to that cause I´m a creator aswell, I guess I´m criticized a lot and I feel empathy for the anime creators lmao. |
GingkoJun 26, 2019 9:01 AM
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| Because most people are feel fags who don't know how to rate anime. So when someone who does give low score to their favorite show they trow taper tantrum over it. Also many of them are casuals who haven't seen many anime shows so they lack refine taste that people who watched 500+ shows usually have. |
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CordobezEverdeen said: Everything about your argument is so wrong I I feel an obligation to tell you why, even if you don't understand.Thats the stupidest thing i ever heard, everyone in this forum has become dumber after listening to you. The rating scale is from 1 to 10. Everything else is trolling. If you have an average of 5 you either have no taste or common sense at the time of picking an anime. You throw a coin when deciding to watch anime therefore you never watch stuff you care or probably would like. If its lower you might even be trolling and using the scale from 1 to 5 instead of 1 to 10. My mean score its 6.50 because of the animes i watched when i was a child (that were all garbage) and because some horrible luck when picking popular animes. If you have over 3 million anime watched then the problem definitely is not your mean score... Not everyone uses a 1-10 scale. Many people use 6-10, and although they may claim it extends further down and they "just haven't seen anime that bad", some of them gave Mars of Destruction a 6. Just remember that the "average" anime means drastically different things to different people. I've seen someone who used a 3/10 to mean an average anime. He still used a full 10 point scale, but just decided that anime that are average or worse don't deserve to hog half of the rating scale since they aren't any good. He has a mean of 4.04 which is higher than what he considers average. I've also seen some people with really high ratings for average anime. There was one guy I saw who gave an anime a 7 and considered it to be one of the worst anime he had seen and wouldn't recommend it to his worst enemy. These two examples are extremes, but it is a spectrum. You can't expect everyone to rate the same way you do. Not everyone only watches anime they expect to give high scores to. A lot of people watch seasonals for the community surrounding them even if the anime themselves are subpar and some people will also watch older or more obscure anime just to see what they're like without expecting them to be great anime. Restricting yourself to only watching good anime isn't always the best decision. Maybe you should actually ask people how they rate before assuming they're all rating the same way. Some people just get a lot of enjoyment out of trash anime but don't rate by enjoyment. Some people even use 5 as the average of their own list rather than having an abstract negative idea of what an average anime is and rate everything higher than that because "no matter how bad this anime is, it can't possibly be at or below the median quality of this terrible medium". |
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CordobezEverdeen said: Thats the stupidest thing i ever heard, everyone in this forum has become dumber after listening to you. The rating scale is from 1 to 10. Everything else is trolling. If you have an average of 5 you either have no taste or common sense at the time of picking an anime. You throw a coin when deciding to watch anime therefore you never watch stuff you care or probably would like. If its lower you might even be trolling and using the scale from 1 to 5 instead of 1 to 10. My mean score its 6.50 because of the animes i watched when i was a child (that were all garbage) and because some horrible luck when picking popular animes. If you have over 3 million anime watched then the problem definitely is not your mean score... You sound highly triggered. People are allowed to rate how they want. |
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I can rate from 1 to 3 if i want and probably there are people who rates like that. That doesn't mean its the proper way to rate shows on this specific website with this specific 1 to 10 score system. You have 12k posts on these forums. You should already think of this as a fact. |
CordobezEverdeenJun 26, 2019 4:51 PM
| I never lie on the internet. What's the point of it... the chinese noodles ad is an anime and avatar isn't! triggered Check out my taste and my profile. |
Saku_k said: Unlike @Hey_Taka-tin_Hey I'm not going to be that generous. Site average scores have a natural positive bias becauseI'm sorry but this is nonsense. What do we have for spring anime? https://myanimelist.net/anime/season/2019/spring Hmm I guess every show barring 2 was above average, with those remaining 2 being just average. No bad anime! What an amazing season! Wait, almost every show every season would be above average.
But aside from all that, it's preposterous, conceited, even, to suggest that your own rating should reflect the site average. No, bruh. The site average is the aggregate of all the users. Your rating represents yourself. How is that even hard to understand? If, overall, MAL users think a show deserves a 7, that still doesn't mean you need to treat that as the baseline. That literally has nothing to do with you or your opinions, unless you're still on that high school popularity thing. You don't need to guess someone else's average and use their average as yours. With that said, as Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said, no, it doesn't really matter. You do whatever nonsense (your words) your little heart wants. CordobezEverdeen said: I do think a lot of people on these forums are stupid, but I'm not sure if that's a product of anime or just stupid people were looking for an escape to begin with. I watch a ton of anime and I don't consider myself stupid. I will say that if someone watches anime uncritically and just accepts whatever idealistic shit that's spouted in a cartoon as their own personal life philosophy, they'll probably grow up into a plant.You have 12k posts on these forums. You should already think of this as a fact. |
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
| ill put off the second part of the question for a bit why do we criticize? because we can why do we criticize people? jealousy why do we criticize people who have a "low" mean MAL score? because we're mean! |
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| I love that classic, "just because I gave it a 3 or 4 doesn't mean I think it's bad!!!" like...what? |
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| Because this kind of people feels insulted by the difference. Saku_k said: No, 5 is not an average score. If you get 50% in all your classes at school do you say your grades are average? In Europe, we do. The french schools (including universities) use a 20points scale for marks. Either you have 50% of the points (10/20), the mean, and you pass or you get less and you fail (for an exam). Having around 10-12 would be labelled as "average" (or maybe "mediocre"). @deg Now, you're making me want to re-read Lord of the Flies again. deg said: I had to google that and wiki said it aligns with the tribalism "us vs them" comment i made My bad, I thought it was a very common book for UK/US school programs. |
Rei_IIIJun 28, 2019 12:34 PM
i have to google that and wiki said it aligns with the tribalism "us vs them" comment i made lol @Rei366 im from the philippines we did not learn about that book here |
degJun 28, 2019 3:35 PM
Gingko said: I think a lot of people dont care about the extreme effort the studios and their workers do to create a show. I find really hard to rate any show lower than 5/10 just cause I respect all that workers a lot. Also I use to rate a show at least 6/10 if I enjoyed any part of it. I'm thinking the same. Besides, critizing anime when you suppose to enjoy it as an entertainment doesn't make any sense. That's what i found after looking at some users who have low mean score (<=5 or maybe 5.5). Moreover, giving 5 out of 10 is painful enough for the anime studios & teams, so personally i won't make it any worse than 5/10. Anyway, all of it depends on the user. |
Gingko said: I think a lot of people dont care about the extreme effort the studios and their workers do to create a show. I find really hard to rate any show lower than 5/10 just cause I respect all that workers a lot. Also I use to rate a show at least 6/10 if I enjoyed any part of it. In my case, 4 points are for the good animation, decent soundtrack, voice actors, etc. The problem is when there's nothing else.... I mean, there are cases where an anime is shit in terms of storyline, characters, themes or situations which is not the case for the production values. For example: Violet Evergarden was a masterpiece in the technical aspect but the drama was so fake, manipulative, forced and annoying. And let's not talk about the characters. Of course I know what you mean but I prefer to remember an anime for the characters, emotions, plot, etc, not just pretty colours. "Good from far but far from good". Anyway, its just a number. @War_D nop, "so bad that it's good". I watched a lot of shit shows but most of them were so funny. That doesn't happen with most modern western cartoons which I refuse to watch cuz moral reasons. |
NurguburuJun 30, 2019 3:10 AM
| All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
Gingko said: Same for me, once I learned how special effects were done lol.I think a lot of people dont care about the extreme effort the studios and their workers do to create a show. I find really hard to rate any show lower than 5/10 just cause I respect all that workers a lot. Also I use to rate a show at least 6/10 if I enjoyed any part of it. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
aliquae said: Why do we keep making threads about MAL scores? Why do I bother responding? That is a very good question, one that you can only answer by yourself. This thread is around a week old so why don't you read through it, instead of bitching, and embrace the wonderful opinions everyone had. |
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| yeah, i think the average mal user just straight up uses scores wrong. i see a lot of people saying "7" is their average which is ridiculous |
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| If a person's score (assuming they've seen a decent amount of anime) is <= a mean score of four, then I do internally question why that person watches anime. |
ImWaltz said: If a person's score (assuming they've seen a decent amount of anime) is <= a mean score of four, then I do internally question why that person watches anime. i think that's just a natural effect of watching everything. no matter who you are only a portion of media will fit your exact palette. |
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Futz_ said: aliquae said: Why do we keep making threads about MAL scores? Why do I bother responding? That is a very good question, one that you can only answer by yourself. This thread is around a week old so why don't you read through it, instead of bitching, and embrace the wonderful opinions everyone had. >half of them are talking about school grading system /s |
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Nurguburu said: Trolls and fanboys. They deserved to be reported and banned. Imagine being ofended by a fucking score....mind your own business, buddy. Also, 'iF yOu DoN't LiKe It, DoN't WaTcH iT' is a dumb argument. If I hear otherwise, he or she is just has fanboy blindness. My mean score is 5.28. pd: they have a creepy obsession. Facts. These people are so butthurt when their favorite anime is scored low by others. |
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