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Jun 22, 2019 4:34 AM
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TOKYO - After several high-profile incidents in recent years highlighted Japan's problems with sexism, a Japanese women's studies pioneer has been presented a special recognition from Finland, a leading country in promoting gender equality. Chizuko Ueno, a sociologist and a prominent feminist figure in Japan, was one of the first 16 recipients from around the world to receive the Han Honours. She was acknowledged for her "tirelessly and fearlessly" work toward gender equality, according to the Finland Promotion Board. Through her research, books and activities, Ueno has continuously provoked debates in issues including gender discrimination and sexual violence. In April, Ueno gave an impassioned and unfiltered speech at the University of Tokyo matriculation ceremony, in which she said the nation's top university is not immune from gender problems and, like any major institution, reflects society's tendency to discriminate against women. The 70-year-old scholar, who is also a chief director of NPO Women's Action Network, pointed out that less than 20 percent of students entering the University of Tokyo are female. This is despite there being plentiful evidence that female applicants have higher standard scores than their male competitors. Ueno said one reason for the discrepancy is the gender discrimination that is inherent in the education investment decisions made by Japanese parents. Traditionally, sons are expected to attend university while daughters will often be enrolled in junior colleges. Even Todai female students feel compelled to conform to Japanese social norms. Ueno gave the example of such students hiding the fact that they were able to enter the prestigious institution in order not to show up male students from other universities, but when the roles are reversed, male students are happy to boast. She also referred to a criminal case in which five male students sexually abused a female student that attended a private university. One of the accused said during his court hearing that he had looked down on women because they are "stupid." https://japantoday.com/category/national/feature-feminist-scholar-calls-japan's-gender-problem-human-disaster |
Jun 22, 2019 4:58 AM
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It's about time for Japan to take sexism seriously. Hopefully japan is going to become more liberal and less conservative. Japan is in a serious need of stronger feminist movement they should model it after western feminist values. It is not a secret that sexism runs deep in Japan I am just glad it is taken more seriously now. https://www.amnesty.org.au/japans-sexism-problem-runs-deep/ |
Jun 22, 2019 6:13 AM
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a Japanese women's studies pioneer has been presented a special recognition from Finland, a leading country in promoting gender equality. I already know that this is cancer already. like any major institution, reflects society's tendency to discriminate against women. This article's already dead. |
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Jun 22, 2019 9:17 AM
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"Many respondents reserved judgment" Safe to assume that the Japanese themselves know of it. Although I don't know why one needs to throw extremes such as "human disaster". |
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Jun 22, 2019 9:26 AM
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KreatorX said: Feminists tend to exaggerate a lot of things. Like the rate of rape, sexual assault, discrimination, wage gaps, human rights, legal rights vs men, the patriarchy, and so on."Many respondents reserved judgment" Safe to assume that the Japanese themselves know of it. Although I don't know why one needs to throw extremes such as "human disaster". What can you do? Lobotomies seem to be free on that side. |
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Jun 22, 2019 9:52 AM
#7
I wouldn't trust that scholar, she may have had a little too much to drink or she's missing an oar or two from her boat. |
Jun 22, 2019 10:36 AM
#8
Who would have thought misogyny is still alive and thriving in Japan? I genuinely hope the Japanese feminist movement will gain some more traction as it did in South Korea, though I can't see it happening unless a similar scandal takes place there too. |
Jun 22, 2019 10:44 AM
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Hopefully japan is going to become more liberal and less conservative. Japan is in a serious need of stronger feminist movement they should model it after western feminist values. Oh god, no. Japanese society has major structural issues-- women being required to wear high heels in the workplace is ridiculous, for example, and should be abolished as a rule-- but "western values" is the last thing Japan needs. |
Jun 22, 2019 10:57 AM
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I have nothing constructive to say, I'm just here to enjoy the salt incel weebs are going to pour in that thread. |
Jun 22, 2019 10:59 AM
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Kayn said: Yes, we need an eye for an eye policy for imaginary crimes perpetrated against women, just like in South Korea.Who would have thought misogyny is still alive and thriving in Japan? I genuinely hope the Japanese feminist movement will gain some more traction as it did in South Korea, though I can't see it happening unless a similar scandal takes place there too. Deathko said: Not only that, your very presence here is destructive. Toxic af. I have nothing constructive to say, I'm just here to enjoy the salt incel weebs are going to pour in that thread. |
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Jun 22, 2019 11:02 AM
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Deathko said: I have nothing constructive to say, I'm just here to enjoy the salt incel weebs are going to pour in that thread. Yeah me too. It's already turning into a shitshow. I thought Immahnoob got permabanned a while ago. That's what people here told me. |
Jun 22, 2019 11:03 AM
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@HungryForQuality Rumors says he's so annoying and has so much free time that he just spams mods 24/7, begging to get unbanned, until someone accepts to get peace. |
Jun 22, 2019 11:05 AM
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Immahnoob said: So being filmed without your consent and having the footage uploaded on some porn website for countless other creepy dudes to wank to is an imaginary crime?Yes, we need an eye for an eye policy for imaginary crimes perpetrated against women, just like in South Korea. |
Jun 22, 2019 11:05 AM
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@Deathko Huh, can't they just ban him so he can't contact the mods? That doesn't exist? Man, this thing's fucked worse than I thought. |
Jun 22, 2019 11:10 AM
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Kayn said: No, just like punching people is assault and non-consesual sex is also rape. Immahnoob said: So being filmed without your consent and having the footage uploaded on some porn website for countless other creepy dudes to wank to is an imaginary crime?Yes, we need an eye for an eye policy for imaginary crimes perpetrated against women, just like in South Korea. What's your point? They've given you an example of a crime that happened and now you're going to claim it's an epidemic? HungryForQuality said: Welp, people here were wrong, like usual.Deathko said: I have nothing constructive to say, I'm just here to enjoy the salt incel weebs are going to pour in that thread. Yeah me too. It's already turning into a shitshow. I thought Immahnoob got permabanned a while ago. That's what people here told me. Deathko said: @HungryForQuality Rumors says he's so annoying and has so much free time that he just spams mods 24/7, begging to get unbanned, until someone accepts to get peace. HungryForQuality said: @Deathko Huh, can't they just ban him so he can't contact the mods? That doesn't exist? Man, this thing's fucked worse than I thought. |
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Jun 22, 2019 11:54 AM
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Jun 22, 2019 12:45 PM
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political beliefs is like in a spectrum so exaggerating a political belief like this feminist is doing is to make the less radical political ideas of the feminist become socially acceptable the Overton Window is whats is called and here is a video explaining it more |
Jun 22, 2019 12:55 PM
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deg said: So what you're saying is that they're emotionally manipulating people despite being the supposed "good guys", huh? The mere weight of the "problems" faced by women in first world countries isn't enough it seems. We need to hammer people with faulty ideology and extremism. political beliefs is like in a spectrum so exaggerating a political belief like this feminist is doing is to make the less radical political ideas of the feminist become socially acceptable the Overton Window is whats is called and here is a video explaining it more And Vox? Seriously? Didn't you have something better than sewage to show us? |
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Jun 22, 2019 1:54 PM
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I had no idea about Hän awards, but 'ey congrats then to her. Nice to see these things are being discussed, her speech seemed fine although some parts I disagree with. What's really surprisings to me thought was this part The 70-year-old scholar, who is also a chief director of NPO Women's Action Network, pointed out that less than 20 percent of students entering the University of Tokyo are female. This is despite there being plentiful evidence that female applicants have higher standard scores than their male competitors. that's way too low percentage wtf |
Jun 22, 2019 2:06 PM
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Is there a problem at all? |
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Jun 22, 2019 2:29 PM
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Oh you know, having less highly educated women meaning less women in higher paying jobs and higher ups being male dominated like in a third world country. Then there being a possibility according to media the university on purpose favored more males. And yet their birth rate is low, so there goes that theory how modern life style of women working and getting education has brainwashed women to not wanting kids or there isn't time to start a family anymore. |
konkeloJun 22, 2019 2:34 PM
Jun 22, 2019 2:37 PM
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konkelo said: Most first world countries have higher positions and higher paying jobs still dominated by males. There's nothing wrong with that.Oh you know, having less highly educated women meaning less women in higher paying jobs and higher ups being male dominated like in a third world country. Then there being a possibility according to media the university on purpose favored more males. Well, it is speculation. And yet their birth rate is low, so there goes that theory how modern life style of women working and getting education has brainwashed women to not wanting kids or there isn't time to start a family anymore. So higher or lower education doesn't help anyway, is what you're saying at this point. |
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Jun 22, 2019 2:51 PM
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Gorochu said: TOKYO - After several high-profile incidents in recent years highlighted Japan's problems with sexism, a Japanese women's studies pioneer has been presented a special recognition from Finland, a leading country in promoting gender equality. Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan. Memes aside, the Toudai students I talked to during my stay in Japan were pretty woke about feminism. I think it's good Japan is starting to consider these things more with the recent KuToo movement and entrance exam scandals. |
Jun 22, 2019 3:19 PM
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Immahnoob said: konkelo said: Most first world countries have higher positions and higher paying jobs still dominated by males. There's nothing wrong with that.Oh you know, having less highly educated women meaning less women in higher paying jobs and higher ups being male dominated like in a third world country. Not as drastic difference like in Japan and accessibility to such a position is good to also take in account, which may or may not be influenced by society and surrounding culture but I trust that more smarter people on that subject and from that specific culture can search causes. Whether or not one sees "inequality" in such thing either normal, good or negative doesn't really interest me to go into serious discussion on social media so good for you on your stand. Keep that attitude. Then there being a possibility according to media the university on purpose favored more males. Well, it is speculation. Hence why I specified possibility And yet their birth rate is low, so there goes that theory how modern life style of women working and getting education has brainwashed women to not wanting kids or there isn't time to start a family anymore. So higher or lower education doesn't help anyway, is what you're saying at this point.Birth rates? No not necessarily any huge differences, especially if we're speaking of family A and B who both would be from same country and only difference is education, and it is affected by many other things like government's support on families and other policies. But it does affect in living standards, monetary self-sustainability and next generations education level too and so on. So economically speaking having more higher educated citizens is a lot better. And in case of Japan Shinzo Abe did try policies to get more women to enter work field to ease their worker shortage. Leaving women's education in the middle way doesn't help that plan at all imo. |
Jun 22, 2019 4:17 PM
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Deathko said: I have nothing constructive to say, I'm just here to enjoy the salt incel weebs are going to pour in that thread. "Anyone who disagrees with me is an incel." |
Jun 22, 2019 11:49 PM
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@konkelo Not as drastic difference like in Japan Oh really? And where did you get that idea? Have you seen Finland's non-quota workplaces? Finland's supposedly the place where equality has been achieved, yet the more free people are, the more they pick jobs and vocations that are stereotypically female or male. Birth rates? No not necessarily any huge differences But we know that higher education on both sides, including higher paying jobs, tend to lower the birth rates for most couples, including minorities.Women in general want to finish their education, mostly because we've been teaching them this, and they find it a necessity, not really an actual choice. They want higher paying jobs so they're independent, which at one time wasn't a necessity, but these jobs take away all their time. This current economy can be lived in without all of this, but people don't like what they perceive as "risks", and they're also a lot more intolerant towards other individuals because of the plethora of "choice". It's one of the reasons marriage fails so much now. |
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Jun 23, 2019 12:44 AM
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This thread is going to get locked soon. :D Love how everyone is suddenly an expert when it comes to the Japanese society and its problems. Oh well... |
Jun 23, 2019 1:27 AM
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deg said: political beliefs is like in a spectrum so exaggerating a political belief like this feminist is doing is to make the less radical political ideas of the feminist become socially acceptable the Overton Window is whats is called and here is a video explaining it more Actually it has the exact opposite effect for me an many others, ten years ago I would have agreed with them if they wanted to be equal, now they say so much stupid stuff that I would not want to be associated with them in any way. PETA does the same thing with animal rights and complaining about cartoons. |
Jun 23, 2019 1:52 AM
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Wow how scholarly. We'll have a real 'human disaster' on our hands if japan learns from the west. |
Jun 23, 2019 2:23 AM
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"Gender inequality" is just one of the many buzzwords that westerners who believe the entire world should follow their politically correct beliefs like to throw around. |
Jun 23, 2019 2:27 AM
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Pretty sure a country in which women are forced to wear high-heels at work and they have to ask for female only trains so they don't get molested may have some problem with women. |
Jun 23, 2019 2:33 AM
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Immahnoob said: @konkelo Not as drastic difference like in Japan Oh really? And where did you get that idea? Have you seen Finland's non-quota workplaces? Finland's supposedly the place where equality has been achieved, yet the more free people are, the more they pick jobs and vocations that are stereotypically female or male. In regards to EU countries EU has pretty good track of statistics. Those of course change between EU countries but over all countries are in better situation with this than currently Japan. As for other countries World Economic Forum is the one most articles etc. use as a source. In the 2018 report Japan's statics were worse in politics and economy, while some improvement was made. Yes I'm pretty familiar with Finland's work fields as I live and work there, but I wouldn't call this equality paradise. Beside Iceland is often better with these things out of Nordic countries. Public sector is more dominated by women here but I haven't said such thing is necessarily bad, there are other problems regarding public sector itself and our economy and so on. But as that isn't the topic it's better to not go so into that. And as for universities over all male to female ratio is equal, universities of applied science I think have more differences. Birth rates? No not necessarily any huge differences But we know that higher education on both sides, including higher paying jobs, tend to lower the birth rates for most couples, including minorities.You didn't include the part which imo was quite important especially if we're speaking of family A and B who both would be from same country and only difference is education My thoughts were more so just to the theory where birth ratio can be raised if governments wouldn't support women to get education and work and that would been used as a "fix" in developed countries. For developing countries where women's authority and economic independence is low, sure it has much more effect to quicken lowering birth ratio. In short I just don't think this is such a black and white thing with one solution. Women in general want to finish their education, mostly because we've been teaching them this, and they find it a necessity, not really an actual choice. They want higher paying jobs so they're independent, which at one time wasn't a necessity, but these jobs take away all their time. This current economy can be lived in without all of this, but people don't like what they perceive as "risks", and they're also a lot more intolerant towards other individuals because of the plethora of "choice". It's one of the reasons marriage fails so much now. I disagree but what some parts you mention here could as well change between cultures, so if you really see it as that ok. The part with being able to live in this current economy I can though say no. As it is economy probably won't stay for long same and people should be wary of recession. |
Jun 23, 2019 2:41 AM
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Bernrika said: I want some statistics about the chikan issue in Japan, it would be pretty helpful. Pretty sure a country in which women are forced to wear high-heels at work and they have to ask for female only trains so they don't get molested may have some problem with women. |
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Jun 23, 2019 6:44 AM
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TsukuyomiREKT said: Deathko said: I have nothing constructive to say, I'm just here to enjoy the salt incel weebs are going to pour in that thread. "Anyone who disagrees with me is an incel." I'm an incel, but nice try (^: |
Jun 23, 2019 7:59 AM
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Immahnoob said: Bernrika said: I want some statistics about the chikan issue in Japan, it would be pretty helpful. Pretty sure a country in which women are forced to wear high-heels at work and they have to ask for female only trains so they don't get molested may have some problem with women. It's not a common thing lol, there are some weird guys here and there but they rarely get aggressive. The number of sex crimes is relatively low compared to other SE asian countries. It is however a conservative society and women aren't treated the same as men in a lot of sectors. Sometimes it may have certain benefits for them, sometimes it doesn't. Sawilagar said: I think humans starving in Africa is a more pressing problem, but what do I know? Yea, that is a far bigger problem than 99% of the problems in the first world but it still would've been far better if those issues didn't exist instead of trying to justify them using infantile excuses such as "people in Africa live under even harsher conditions" because it fits the beliefs that have been instilled into your head. |
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Jun 23, 2019 8:49 AM
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I think humans starving in Africa is a more pressing problem, but what do I know? |
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Jun 23, 2019 10:43 AM
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Imagine thinking minor problems like this are a "Human Disaster", Japan is definitely in the top 20 globally in how they treat their citizens, and the average person's quality of life. |
Jun 23, 2019 12:08 PM
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I envision a world where the yakuza is composed of equal parts gyaru women and pompadour thugs. |
Jun 23, 2019 9:37 PM
#40
Yet some people want to say there's no threat of feminists trying to make Japan woke. SJWs are a tiny minority of the population they say. The last thing Japan needs is Western feminism. They need to keep that poisonous ideology out of their country for as long as possible. Do you really want this coming to your shores? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81oRuCQ0QWc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PSYPrE5LrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtQW1rl2-5s https://youtu.be/1Fjhuae_gSw?t=350 |
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Jun 24, 2019 1:54 AM
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@EvilUnicorn Looks pretty damn real to me, everyone in the comments section seems to think so. Any information on where you got that its a social experiment? They tore apart their campus because a guy they didn't like was coming to speak there, they destroyed police cars and threw fireworks at them. Even if a legitimate Nazi came to speak at your campus, this kind of behavior is not acceptable. Feminism is the backbone of overall progressive ideology and the intersectionality idea. Encouraging the idea that the right is evil and out to oppress everyone, which causes people to act insane and assault people. They're the main instigators of the oppression Olympics. Sargon of Akkad isn't even that right-wing. He identifies as a centrist, he just hates identity politics. He was showing a video of a Scottish teacher who is trying to shut-down any evidence against the existence of non-binary genders despite the fact that there's no scientific evidence for there being any more than males and females. Even the teacher didn't think it was scientific, but he's so brainwashed or afraid of his higher ups that he doesn't question it. It goes to show the pure Orwellian nature of feminism and progressive ideology, where you literally can't say scientific facts because "its not being inclusive." America in general has become a lot more hostile to basic civil liberties. 1 in 5 millennials think its okay to use violence to shut down a speaker they don't like, 50% think its okay to shout over them and prevent them from being heard. This is coming from Washington Post too which is a really liberal news site and even they are scared about what's happening on college campuses. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-chilling-study-shows-how-hostile-college-students-are-toward-free-speech/2017/09/18/cbb1a234-9ca8-11e7-9083-fbfddf6804c2_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7f65a4a76442 |
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Jun 24, 2019 2:17 AM
#42
Where's my freedom to say women should shut up? #StopOppressingMe |
Jun 24, 2019 3:11 AM
#43
I did some looking to see if any problems are actual or just perceived. It seems there indeed is problems. According to government data, 70 percent of women leave their jobs when they start a family, returning to the workplace – often as part-time workers – only when their children are older; this pattern significantly reduces their chances of drawing a decent pension after retirement. Additionally, the fact that women are experiencing increasingly long life spans means that many outlive their husbands and become entirely reliant on the state welfare system. ..... Among the many issues that aging women face are loneliness, higher prospects of disability and growing poverty in a nation that is grappling with a huge public debt and threatening further cuts in social services and state welfare. Official statistics from the Health and Welfare Ministry confirm this grim picture – government data shows that 80 percent of those over 65 years and living alone are women, mostly divorcees and widows. Women also comprise 70 percent of the population in nursing homes, with poverty affecting 25 percent of the female population over 75 years compared to 20 percent among males. http://www.ipsnews.net/2012/12/longer-lives-lower-incomes-for-japanese-women/ Then I found this article and data about senuor citizens commiting crime. Theft, principally shoplifting, is overwhelmingly the biggest crime committed by elderly offenders. They mostly steal food worth less than 3,000 yen (£20) from a shop they visit regularly. Michael Newman, an Australian-born demographer with the Tokyo-based research house, Custom Products Research Group points out that the "measly" basic state pension in Japan is very hard to live on. In a paper published in 2016 he calculates that the costs of rent, food and healthcare alone will leave recipients in debt if they have no other income - and that's before they've paid for heating or clothes. In the past it was traditional for children to look after their parents, but in the provinces a lack of economic opportunities has led many younger people to move away, leaving their parents to fend for themselves. https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-47033704 Japan's economic model is not in line with it's society. It's not a sustainable system as it is. At least one of these has to change or everyone there is fucked because they will eventually have a collapse of the economy and the legal system will be strained which in turn could increase crime in general. |
Jun 24, 2019 3:24 AM
#44
Would love to see Japan get overrun by SJWs so I can see weebs and incel cry about their lack of naked anime women. |
Jun 24, 2019 5:27 AM
#45
I remember hearing over the news about women being cheated on admission processes because one university wanted more male students than female ones. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/08/tokyo-medical-school-admits-changing-results-to-exclude-women It does seem like it could be a problem if it's a systematic thing. EvilUnicorn said: For example My sex is female and my gender is Angeligender( A gender found only among angels, that is hard to describe to non-angels. For godkin and angelkin only) I can't tell if you're trolling or not. |
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Jun 24, 2019 5:29 AM
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Deathko said: I have nothing constructive to say, I'm just here to enjoy the salt incel weebs are going to pour in that thread. Yo, I brought popcorn. |
Jun 24, 2019 7:14 AM
#47
EvilUnicorn said: If people shutdown hitler speeches instead of letting them happen WWII would not have happened and over 20 million people wouldn't lost their lives For example My sex is female and my gender is Angeligender( A gender found only among angels, that is hard to describe to non-angels. For godkin and angelkin only) Female is not a sex and I don't know why but a lot of people seem to think that "otherkin" religious beliefs have anything to do with gender. Also the number of WWII casualties is extremely inaccurate. |
Jun 24, 2019 8:23 AM
#48
149597871 said: EvilUnicorn said: If people shutdown hitler speeches instead of letting them happen WWII would not have happened and over 20 million people wouldn't lost their lives For example My sex is female and my gender is Angeligender( A gender found only among angels, that is hard to describe to non-angels. For godkin and angelkin only) Female is not a sex Say what? Female most definitely is a sex. |
Jun 24, 2019 12:17 PM
#50
Feminist Scholar Pick one There is no problem it Japan. It's just that feminism see sexism, racism, homophobia in everything and I mean everything. I don't understand why do people take them seriously this days. |
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