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I doubt it will stay in 99 for a while but it more than deserves it in my opinion, this movie is a visual masterpiece and really fascinating to think about.
 
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Top 100 is overrated for EoE, for my tastes. It's been a while since I watched it but I remember feeling it was kind of a lot of action and none of the moody, slow, atmospheric segments that made EVA so good.
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No objections here. There are some far worse anime than EoE in T100. I'd say it deserves it.
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EoE is one of the best Anime movies, better than the stuff that is in the top 10 on MAL
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So the score is going up?
 
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I found the movie horrible. Not sure why and how people like it.
 
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I found the movie horrible. Not sure why and how people like it.


But you think Dragon Ball and Monster are good?
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So the score is going up?


No. It was an 8.51 in March and it still is an 8.51 now, I think other titles' scores lowered.
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Optigisa said:
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I found the movie horrible. Not sure why and how people like it.


But you think Dragon Ball and Monster are good?


I sure do. Elaborate on why those two are bad. I gave my opinion in the episode discussion of Eva.
 
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99 is still insanely low. I honestly don't understand how this isn't yet in the top 10.
 
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99 is still insanely low. I honestly don't understand how this isn't yet in the top 10.



I agree completely.
 
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this 600mb re-encode of this movie is sitting on my harddrive for years lol i have to eventually watch this but knowing the Rebuild movies are more enjoyable to me than the TV series makes me lazy to start watching this old movie
 
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this 600mb re-encode of this movie is sitting on my harddrive for years lol i have to eventually watch this but knowing the Rebuild movies are more enjoyable to me than the TV series makes me lazy to start watching this old movie
Watch it for those light effects. ;)
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this 600mb re-encode of this movie is sitting on my harddrive for years lol i have to eventually watch this but knowing the Rebuild movies are more enjoyable to me than the TV series makes me lazy to start watching this old movie
Watch it for those light effects. ;)


ye maybe next week i will try to watch it together with Kaiba
 
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RIP Kaguya-sama

Well one day even Perfect Blue will be in top 100
 
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2ego said:
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But you think Dragon Ball and Monster are good?


I sure do. Elaborate on why those two are bad. I gave my opinion in the episode discussion of Eva.


Monster is monotonous and stretched out, the villain is a mary sue. Dragon Ball is the father of shonen and thus other shonen have taken it's archetypes and improved significantly on them. Plus, Dragon Ball's pacing is atrocious and the outcome is predictable. I tried to watch it last year and could not finish it.
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Optigisa said:
2ego said:


I sure do. Elaborate on why those two are bad. I gave my opinion in the episode discussion of Eva.


Monster is monotonous and stretched out, the villain is a mary sue. Dragon Ball is the father of shonen and thus other shonen have taken it's archetypes and improved significantly on them. Plus, Dragon Ball's pacing is atrocious and the outcome is predictable. I tried to watch it last year and could not finish it.


I disagree that Monster is repetitive or stretched out, each story had great depth. The villain is great, Johan had immense depth in his character, and lacking flaws doesn't imply that he's a bad villain, in fact, as a villain, he stands atop, as he is the perfect villain. Yet again, if you personally dislike long shows, don't complain as if it's an actual flaw, older anime had longer adaptations than anime these days, don't use 2019's standards in a 1986's anime. Whatever the outcome, you wouldn't be satisfied with it unless everyone died and lost, since a positive outcome seems to be regarded as "predictable" in your viewpoint. In the first Dragon Ball, in fact, many times, the characters lost, though, so I don't see how it was "predictable."
 
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2ego said:
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Monster is monotonous and stretched out, the villain is a mary sue. Dragon Ball is the father of shonen and thus other shonen have taken it's archetypes and improved significantly on them. Plus, Dragon Ball's pacing is atrocious and the outcome is predictable. I tried to watch it last year and could not finish it.


I disagree that Monster is repetitive or stretched out, each story had great depth. The villain is great, Johan had immense depth in his character, and lacking flaws doesn't imply that he's a bad villain, in fact, as a villain, he stands atop, as he is the perfect villain. Yet again, if you personally dislike long shows, don't complain as if it's an actual flaw, older anime had longer adaptations than anime these days, don't use 2019's standards in a 1986's anime. Whatever the outcome, you wouldn't be satisfied with it unless everyone died and lost, since a positive outcome seems to be regarded as "predictable" in your viewpoint. In the first Dragon Ball, in fact, many times, the characters lost, though, so I don't see how it was "predictable."


To each their own, I guess. Monster is unimaginative and dull, I wanted to provide examples, but this is pointless.

if you personally dislike long shows, don't complain as if it's an actual flaw, older anime had longer adaptations than anime these days, don't use 2019's standards in a 1986's anime.

I really liked Yu Yu Hakusho, even though it was made in 92 and had 112 episodes worth of content. It's not my fault that the author's work (In this case, Dragon Ball) has not aged particularly well. As for older shows, I actually prefer older series over today.

Dragon Ball is predictable because the characters kept on winning and winning without any loss or consequences at the very least. What consequences though? When the author provides you with many plot devices (The Dragon Balls, Saiyan power boost, senzu beans, time chamber, etc.) you really cannot lose at all. Sure, this might be Dragon Ball and they didn't have the latter three, but they still had the dragon balls right then to use when a major villain attacked and a death occurred. And sure, they might have lost the occasional tournament match or two at the Budokai Tenkaichi tournaments, but that's not really a major threat. Look at Hunter x Hunter for example,
Plus, the nen system allows for various outcomes and depends on strategies, unlike Dragon Ball which favors the bigger number, thus turning it predictable and cliche.

I like Dragon Ball because of nostalgia, but that's really it.
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It is in 98 now :D

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I disagree that Monster is repetitive or stretched out, each story had great depth. The villain is great, Johan had immense depth in his character, and lacking flaws doesn't imply that he's a bad villain, in fact, as a villain, he stands atop, as he is the perfect villain. Yet again, if you personally dislike long shows, don't complain as if it's an actual flaw, older anime had longer adaptations than anime these days, don't use 2019's standards in a 1986's anime. Whatever the outcome, you wouldn't be satisfied with it unless everyone died and lost, since a positive outcome seems to be regarded as "predictable" in your viewpoint. In the first Dragon Ball, in fact, many times, the characters lost, though, so I don't see how it was "predictable."


To each their own, I guess. Monster is unimaginative and dull, I wanted to provide examples, but this is pointless.

if you personally dislike long shows, don't complain as if it's an actual flaw, older anime had longer adaptations than anime these days, don't use 2019's standards in a 1986's anime.

I really liked Yu Yu Hakusho, even though it was made in 92 and had 112 episodes worth of content. It's not my fault that the author's work (In this case, Dragon Ball) has not aged particularly well. As for older shows, I actually prefer older series over today.

Dragon Ball is predictable because the characters kept on winning and winning without any loss or consequences at the very least. What consequences though? When the author provides you with many plot devices (The Dragon Balls, Saiyan power boost, senzu beans, time chamber, etc.) you really cannot lose at all. Sure, this might be Dragon Ball and they didn't have the latter three, but they still had the dragon balls right then to use when a major villain attacked and a death occurred. And sure, they might have lost the occasional tournament match or two at the Budokai Tenkaichi tournaments, but that's not really a major threat. Look at Hunter x Hunter for example,
Plus, the nen system allows for various outcomes and depends on strategies, unlike Dragon Ball which favors the bigger number, thus turning it predictable and cliche.

I like Dragon Ball because of nostalgia, but that's really it.


I'm talking ONLY about the first Dragon Ball, by the way. Goku nearly died fighting against Piccolo Daimao, he was beaten up insanely bad. Goku nearly died fighting against Mercenary Tao, too, he lost miserably against them. Taking only objectivity into account, the first Dragon Ball has next to no plot-holes, while Hakusho has A LOT of them. So, we have a clear conclusion: you're judging these shows entirely on your own personal taste. End of debate.
 
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To each their own, I guess. Monster is unimaginative and dull, I wanted to provide examples, but this is pointless.

if you personally dislike long shows, don't complain as if it's an actual flaw, older anime had longer adaptations than anime these days, don't use 2019's standards in a 1986's anime.

I really liked Yu Yu Hakusho, even though it was made in 92 and had 112 episodes worth of content. It's not my fault that the author's work (In this case, Dragon Ball) has not aged particularly well. As for older shows, I actually prefer older series over today.

Dragon Ball is predictable because the characters kept on winning and winning without any loss or consequences at the very least. What consequences though? When the author provides you with many plot devices (The Dragon Balls, Saiyan power boost, senzu beans, time chamber, etc.) you really cannot lose at all. Sure, this might be Dragon Ball and they didn't have the latter three, but they still had the dragon balls right then to use when a major villain attacked and a death occurred. And sure, they might have lost the occasional tournament match or two at the Budokai Tenkaichi tournaments, but that's not really a major threat. Look at Hunter x Hunter for example,
Plus, the nen system allows for various outcomes and depends on strategies, unlike Dragon Ball which favors the bigger number, thus turning it predictable and cliche.

I like Dragon Ball because of nostalgia, but that's really it.


I'm talking ONLY about the first Dragon Ball, by the way. Goku nearly died fighting against Piccolo Daimao, he was beaten up insanely bad. Goku nearly died fighting against Mercenary Tao, too, he lost miserably against them. Taking only objectivity into account, the first Dragon Ball has next to no plot-holes, while Hakusho has A LOT of them. So, we have a clear conclusion: you're judging these shows entirely on your own personal taste. End of debate.


Have it your way then. You know Goku went on to annihilate Mercenary Tao after Kaorin gave him a plot device. Nearly dying or dying does not mean anything in the world of Dragon Ball, not DB nor DBZ nor any of it's other franchises since death has been made into a joke. I am pretty sure Dragon Ball has a plot hole though. The dragon balls, which are supposed to be stone for a whole year, are suddenly effective again during the Red Ribbon Army arc, which is roughly 8 months after their previous use.
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I'm talking ONLY about the first Dragon Ball, by the way. Goku nearly died fighting against Piccolo Daimao, he was beaten up insanely bad. Goku nearly died fighting against Mercenary Tao, too, he lost miserably against them. Taking only objectivity into account, the first Dragon Ball has next to no plot-holes, while Hakusho has A LOT of them. So, we have a clear conclusion: you're judging these shows entirely on your own personal taste. End of debate.


Have it your way then. You know Goku went on to annihilate Mercenary Tao after Kaorin gave him a plot device. Nearly dying or dying does not mean anything in the world of Dragon Ball, not DB nor DBZ nor any of it's other franchises since death has been made into a joke. I am pretty sure Dragon Ball has a plot hole though. The dragon balls, which are supposed to be stone for a whole year, are suddenly effective again during the Red Ribbon Army arc, which is roughly 8 months after their previous use.


If you take that mindset into Dragon Ball's world, whatever they were to see, you would just find it as "bad." Dragon Ball doesn't make "death" a joke, it gives it a different atmosphere, an atmosphere that shows that their world is entirely created by the author, a creation that goes past "death." I'm sure that didn't happen, from my memories a year passed since the previous use.
 
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Have it your way then. You know Goku went on to annihilate Mercenary Tao after Kaorin gave him a plot device. Nearly dying or dying does not mean anything in the world of Dragon Ball, not DB nor DBZ nor any of it's other franchises since death has been made into a joke. I am pretty sure Dragon Ball has a plot hole though. The dragon balls, which are supposed to be stone for a whole year, are suddenly effective again during the Red Ribbon Army arc, which is roughly 8 months after their previous use.


If you take that mindset into Dragon Ball's world, whatever they were to see, you would just find it as "bad." Dragon Ball doesn't make "death" a joke, it gives it a different atmosphere, an atmosphere that shows that their world is entirely created by the author, a creation that goes past "death." I'm sure that didn't happen, from my memories a year passed since the previous use.


Fine then. Why did you find EoE bad anyways?
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If you take that mindset into Dragon Ball's world, whatever they were to see, you would just find it as "bad." Dragon Ball doesn't make "death" a joke, it gives it a different atmosphere, an atmosphere that shows that their world is entirely created by the author, a creation that goes past "death." I'm sure that didn't happen, from my memories a year passed since the previous use.


Fine then. Why did you find EoE bad anyways?


Read my opinion in the episode discussion, that's where I posted it.
 
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Fine then. Why did you find EoE bad anyways?


Read my opinion in the episode discussion, that's where I posted it.


The movie or the series? I'm going to check out the movie one.
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Read my opinion in the episode discussion, that's where I posted it.


The movie or the series? I'm going to check out the movie one.


The series were great, the movie was not. The problem with the movie was it went completely off course, it wasn't even Evangelion anymore.
 
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The movie or the series? I'm going to check out the movie one.


The series were great, the movie was not. The problem with the movie was it went completely off course, it wasn't even Evangelion anymore.


Well, to each their own I guess. I think both of them were great. Shinji finally concluded his character arc at the end of it.
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It is in 98 now :D

Eva fans unite!


Sadly once the new season arrives it's gonna fall at least 2 spots, Vinland Saga and Dr. Stone most likely are going to be at least 8.6+ rated shows (at least for a good while)...
 
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It is in 98 now :D

Eva fans unite!


Sadly once the new season arrives it's gonna fall at least 2 spots, Vinland Saga and Dr. Stone most likely are going to be at least 8.6+ rated shows (at least for a good while)...


You're right....

Kind of sad that seasonal stuff always gets an extremely high score right away (even though both those shows look promising) because I think newer fans are just really excited. I'm sure the scores will fall back later on.
 
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Why care about its placing?
At least be glad that it's still well known, others don't get to have that luxury.
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Why care about its placing?
At least be glad that it's still well known, others don't get to have that luxury.


True, I don't care for the mean score anymore.
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Rating ispure bullshit guys, just enjoy whatever the hell you enjoy.

This movie is not only one of the best looking anime movies out there but it is another perfect conclussion for Evangelion. Now that it has come to Netflix, I hope it will be "better known".
 
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The series were great, the movie was not. The problem with the movie was it went completely off course, it wasn't even Evangelion anymore.


This guy gets it.

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And how well does the TV series rank?

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Well one day even Perfect Blue will be in top 100

It's a joke, right? Is there nothing from Kon "up there"?
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It is back to 100 now
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Rei366 said:
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Well one day even Perfect Blue will be in top 100

It's a joke, right? Is there nothing from Kon "up there"?


Not a joke but not completely serious. I just wanted to say that elitist shows ranks always will go higher and higher.

Perfect Blue was around 8.20 when I joined MAL but it's now 8.37. Even back in like 2011 the rating was under 8:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110424225244/https://myanimelist.net/anime/437/Perfect_Blue

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There are also the more recent Eva movies that stole the spotlight, though personally I prefer EoE much more.
 
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Top 100 is overrated for EoE, for my tastes. It's been a while since I watched it but I remember feeling it was kind of a lot of action and none of the moody, slow, atmospheric segments that made EVA so good.

You might have watchend the wrong movie then.

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this 600mb re-encode of this movie is sitting on my harddrive for years lol

Bluray version is now out, I suggest getting that instead.
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99 is still insanely low. I honestly don't understand how this isn't yet in the top 10.


Don't take MAL rankings too seriously. It only represents a the views of primarily English speaking anime fans. Additionally MAL rankings suffer massively from recency bias. This is quite normal, specially with preteens and young adults as its predominant users. The site itself is only 13 years old, and productions that are older than lets say, 2003 have a real hard time staying up in these rankings.

As a general rule, whenever a show is pre 2000 I tend to add ,5 to it's ranking and if it's pre 1985 I add ,75. That gives me a much more realistic idea of the show (disclaimer: I'm not bothered by ""old"" or ""dated"" looking animation and art as a newbie would be).

Another weakness with MAL rankings is sequel bias. The MAL system doesn't consolidate sequels when a series is done and as a result you end up with a lot of sequels of a popular show ranking very highly, since all the people that did not like a show or series to begin with, will maybe not watch a sequel and then that sequel only gets votes by hardcore fans.
By the years 2050 about half of all the top 100 anime in MAL with be Gintama' It seems the shows fans just assign them 10's on autopilot.
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It's one of my favorite anime movies of all time it definitely deserves it.

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99 is still insanely low. I honestly don't understand how this isn't yet in the top 10.

+1
 
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It's a joke, right? Is there nothing from Kon "up there"?


Not a joke but not completely serious. I just wanted to say that elitist shows ranks always will go higher and higher.

Perfect Blue was around 8.20 when I joined MAL but it's now 8.37. Even back in like 2011 the rating was under 8:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110424225244/https://myanimelist.net/anime/437/Perfect_Blue

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Not a joke but not completely serious. I just wanted to say that elitist shows ranks always will go higher and higher.

Perfect Blue was around 8.20 when I joined MAL but it's now 8.37. Even back in like 2011 the rating was under 8:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110424225244/https://myanimelist.net/anime/437/Perfect_Blue

And you can navigate through dates for more information
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OK, you're right so in most cases I guess...
 
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