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Jun 17, 1:27 AM

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MIND STILL BLOWING.
 
Jun 17, 1:28 AM
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laviha said:


they might add
scene in the the last episode after the ending song ends creepily like the way it did in season 3 part 1


I don't see the reason to add a tease for the next season if WIT won't work on it anymore, they should end in the final panel of 90 just like the manga, out of all the seasons this should end on a good note


WIT won't work on it anymore? Why? You serious?
 
Jun 17, 1:34 AM
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Isayama's style is interesting, he allows the audience to decide who is right or wrong, good or evil by presenting the story objectively.
 
Jun 17, 1:37 AM

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Awesome Episode.


They nearly adapted those 2 dialogue heavy chapters.


The Titan transformation scene really brought out the feelings.


5/5 Episode.






 
Jun 17, 1:39 AM

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Yoooooo Kruger's Titan LOOKS SICK! Too bad its not animated and just a still image for a few seconds.
 
Jun 17, 1:50 AM
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So, they could've saved Erwin too if they knew earlier that the serum is just spinal fluid from a titan?!
Or, is there something more special needed to produce it?

Well they did not have a second titan shifter for Erwin to eat and turn back to human form anyway.
 
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Mikasa is HOT with that look!
ikr? thank god im not the only one who think mikasa is hotter with that messy hair
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Can someone kindly explain to me what the fuck Happened in this episode? I only understood like 40% of it and don't wanna go into the last 2 episodes all confused like this and ruin my experience, ty


Did you watch without subs or something? If you can, I'd suggest watching it again keeping the following in mind. Eren has gotten in touch with his fathers memories and seeing how his life developed until his arrival at Paradis island.
Grisha is an Eldian, that's the race that can transform into giants when injected with the Spinal Fluid. There's conflicting stories about their background, but most can agree that their powers allowed them to dominate the continent for about 1700 or so years. Their war with the Marleyans caused the royal family that controls the Titan powers into taking most of the Eldians to Paradis island. The Eldians that were left in Marley, live as prisoners/Slaves.

After seeing his sister murdered by Marleyans, Grisha developed a massive grudge against them. As an adult he joins the Eldian restorationist movement where he meets his wife who is of the royal Fritz family. The restorationists plan is to enter Paradis island and take the power of the founding Titan from the King there. They also have a spy in the Marleyan military called the Owl. He finds out that Marley also wants to steal the Founding Titan power from the king as part of a greater struggle for natural resources,

Grisha has a son called Zeke (Eren's older half brother) who betrays his parents to Marley's security forces. Grisha is tortured and sent to Paradis were he will be turned into a mindless Titan and left to wander the island as punishment with the others. Once there, he recognizes Gross as one of the men responsible for his sisters death. But before Gross can kill him, The Owl who has been a Marleyan military guy all this time, makes his move and kills all the Marleyans by transforming into a Titan that looks suspiciously like Eren's.

I hope this helps. Like I tell everyone, while the anime adaptation is REALLY good and faithful to the story, I'll always recommend checking out the manga for greater detail and a more fleshed out story.

On my own personal note, while I've been waiting years to see this animated, I'm a bit disappointed to see that they cut so many corners with many still images. Come on guys!!


Thank you!! This definitely helps, I watched the episode with subs but there was just too much info for me to take in I guess
 
Jun 17, 2:26 AM
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your titan wife eat your wife it's so brutal that your son betrayed you when your expectation is to high
 
Jun 17, 2:35 AM

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This reminds me so much of modern day America with it's liberal White guilt.
"Oh yes, our ancestors were evil so now we should accept being treated like shit by the ones our ancestors oppressed to atone for their sins"


lol ITS OKAY TO BE WHITE REEEEEEE

i do not think you are that oppressed when majority of the world is ruled by western countries or white elite people anyway and there is a reason a lot of poor people from poor countries want to go to western rich countries for economic relief alone

thats white guilt. "white elite people"
 
Jun 17, 2:37 AM

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The episode was great. It was fun seeing titans from back in season 1. FInding out they weren't just there for the action scenes. They were people with actual backstories. I love it.

Also this thread sucks. People can't even speculate here anymore. I didn't know this was a manga discussion thread.
 
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great episode as always, and yes mikasa is MUCH PRETTIER WITH THAT MESSY HAIR DAMN!

and i wonder who was voicing Dina, Kruger, young Grisha and Faye..
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Jun 17, 2:46 AM

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A lot of info dump in this episode.

The first half was kinda sad.

 
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so, in fact evil nazi enslave proud only good doers titans (how they are managed to do this without magick papercut-swords and gas-jets-harnesses?) and force them into ghetto. Thats the solely reason the master titan got to unhabitated desert island with his titan-slaves-comrades (who are now known as the wall) and brainwash the people who are"willingly" went with him on a constant basis.

Btw, look at the nazi - they are so badass they sent only a handfull of titan-commando to fight another titans (even when they are know about Tzar-titan proclamation - "do not go to my island or i will send my buddyes to kill yall!", not to mention they are sending a hordes of "wild" titans on the land because this island is a jail in the imperia). I mean where the army? Why they send only a titans? Why not send a buch of "kirov reporting"-zeppelin bombers and flatten whole separatistic infrastructyre in one swipe (wall-dwellers are not allowed to develop any aircrafts, so they are doomed for good if there are a couple of attack planes will ride them)?

I mean the show are crusshingly loses scale of the story. In the beggining there is a "a remnants of mankind are forced to fight for survival against titans", now this is more like "a wild separatists tribe, stagnant into medieval, who are constantly drugged by their chief, are being punished by a small punitive squad because of mineral resources their land have".
 
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So they did include the scene of Faye getting killed by those dogs. I have been wondering how they will do it. Haha...ha...ha
 
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I'm not so sure that it's not science - yes, the history books say that Ymir was some sort of goddess/demon, but it's been hundreds of years, take King Arthur for instance - was he real or just a myth? It's been so long that nobody knows for sure. Maybe it was science but is now shrouded in myth and shown as divine intervention? Just a thought.
Also, agree with you on Dina eating Carla - it's too much of a coincidence. It's only plausible if we think that titans retain some of their memories/feelings in the form of basic instincts ("I feel the smell of medicines coming from that hut, that's what Grisha always smelled of, let's go there") and follow them.


I too have to agree about Dina eating Carla being too much of a coincidence. The only thing I can think of that could possibly make sense is that Dina somehow could tell that's where Grisha ended up at (matches up with your smell theory) and she ate Carla hoping that Grisha & his new children would see her and make the connection (thus fulfilling her promise of finding Grisha even after transforming). Then Grisha's kids aka Eren would have access to (knowledge of?) her because she's of royal blood. But this is reallyyyyy unlikely... if the regular titans have no cognitive abilities there's no way she could even predict that Grisha had another kid to try and continue out his restorationist plan. Also it just occurred to me after typing all this out that it doesn't even matter if Dina was trying to find Grisha because he saw her take on titan form so if anything he could have recognized and found her... LOL this all feels like a waste of time on my part but I'll post my response anyway haha


While Dina stumbling into Grisha's house and eating Carla might have been just poetic license to enhance the tragedy of the situation
, some pure titans do have memories and even semblance of personalities, as Hange pointed out while experimenting with Sonny and Bean. The pure titan that ate Ilse confused her with Ymir because of her appearance, she was one of her worshipers. Not only was she able to speak, but she also built some sort of worship altar for her to continue worshiping her. Also, Connie's mom literally recognized him and said "welcome home" to him. Ymir once described her experience as a pure titan like being stuck in a "endless nightmare". So while Dina wasn't conscious of her actions, it is entirely plausible that she was still "searching" for Grisha in some twisted sense.
 
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so, in fact evil nazi enslave proud only good doers titans (how they are managed to do this without magick papercut-swords and gas-jets-harnesses?) and force them into ghetto. Thats the solely reason the master titan got to unhabitated desert island with his titan-slaves-comrades (who are now known as the wall) and brainwash the people who are"willingly" went with him on a constant basis.

Btw, look at the nazi - they are so badass they sent only a handfull of titan-commando to fight another titans (even when they are know about Tzar-titan proclamation - "do not go to my island or i will send my buddyes to kill yall!", not to mention they are sending a hordes of "wild" titans on the land because this island is a jail in the imperia). I mean where the army? Why they send only a titans? Why not send a buch of "kirov reporting"-zeppelin bombers and flatten whole separatistic infrastructyre in one swipe (wall-dwellers are not allowed to develop any aircrafts, so they are doomed for good if there are a couple of attack planes will ride them)?

I mean the show are crusshingly loses scale of the story. In the beggining there is a "a remnants of mankind are forced to fight for survival against titans", now this is more like "a wild separatists tribe, stagnant into medieval, who are constantly drugged by their chief, are being punished by a small punitive squad because of mineral resources their land have".


You are misunderstanding quite a lot of things in here, but I won't spoil, since a big part of the rest of this reveal will be covered by Owl in the next episode.
 
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Wait.. So Zeke is Erin's step brother?? :o and His dads former wife ended up eating his mum? Is this all correct? Wow lol
 
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Holy shit! Eren has a half-brother?

Just to think, if Grisha just let them beat up his sister too instead of trying to protect her, she'd probably still be alive.
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Wait.. So Zeke is Erin's step brother?? :o and His dads former wife ended up eating his mum? Is this all correct? Wow lol


Half-brother

Step brothers are not related by blood
 
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Swizze said:
Wait.. So Zeke is Erin's step brother?? :o and His dads former wife ended up eating his mum? Is this all correct? Wow lol


Half-brother

Step brothers are not related by blood


Ohh true, and people saying that those titans were the ones in battle of trost. But I'm still trying to figure out how berthold and reiner were also apart of it then if they weren't on the wall that episode? Is that a later reveal or am I just mixing something up here?
 
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Watching this part was better than reading it.


I'd have to agree. Sometimes when I'm reading the manga, I'm not as emotionally invested, the voice acting adds something special. I'm sure not everyone agrees and may dislike some of the voice actors but i liked them.

I always feel like after reading the manga, I wouldn't enjoy the Anime adaptation as much but this episode proved me wrong. I enjoyed it a lot.
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Danpmss said:

You are misunderstanding quite a lot of things in here, but I won't spoil, since a big part of the rest of this reveal will be covered by Owl in the next episode.


Maybe, but there is no chance the story will come back to previous significance. The "personal drama" will not be affected, but the overall scale are now reduced to a "local conflict" involves only one medium sized city.Titans are somehow threatening only until humanity discovers "real science" (internal ignition engines, planes, anti-tank weaponry and other stuff invented at XX century). After this value of a titans (even ones who have a magick powers) are dropped to a cost of a couple of siege tanks or a storm aircraft fighters.You dont need a superman like a Levi to fight against them - a squad of aregular troopers with panzerfausts will do same thing. So, in case of a armed conflict, the outer world are winer by default (for examples of extermination of magical spieces with heavy weaponry you can watch GATE).
 
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I remember when I read this in the manga, the reveals were really shocking for me. Fastward till now, and this episode gives me a similar feeling (even though I know what's going to happen). Especially the part where the episode ended on. Grisha's back story is tragic. And of course, some people are going crazy about this whole "pro-nazi" thing. I don't see how this series is pro-nazi though? Anyone care to explain?


I think mostly because of the armbands and other things, but like I and a few others have said.

Parallels do not equal propoganda
 
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This was the best SnK episode I've ever seen.

Also why the fuck is Eren in a prison
 
Jun 17, 4:05 AM

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This season has been amazing, The backstory was just as cruel as anything else in this series. Really excited to find out what happens between Grisha and Kruger but also what Eren does now.

 
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Also why the fuck is Eren in a prison


He was disobeing orders when tryed to force Levi to inject serum to Armin. This is a sort of war crime.
 
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Finally, so much good information in this episode. What is also interesting is that the name for the next episode is Shingeki no Kyojin.
 
Jun 17, 4:22 AM
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Masterpiece ❤️
 
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Wooooow!!
That's amazing!!! unique!! Episode
 
Jun 17, 4:31 AM
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The reveals were crazy. This show is making me shake my head in surprise again and again. I can't wait for the next one...
 
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Did you watch without subs or something? If you can, I'd suggest watching it again keeping the following in mind. Eren has gotten in touch with his fathers memories and seeing how his life developed until his arrival at Paradis island.
Grisha is an Eldian, that's the race that can transform into giants when injected with the Spinal Fluid. There's conflicting stories about their background, but most can agree that their powers allowed them to dominate the continent for about 1700 or so years. Their war with the Marleyans caused the royal family that controls the Titan powers into taking most of the Eldians to Paradis island. The Eldians that were left in Marley, live as prisoners/Slaves.

After seeing his sister murdered by Marleyans, Grisha developed a massive grudge against them. As an adult he joins the Eldian restorationist movement where he meets his wife who is of the royal Fritz family. The restorationists plan is to enter Paradis island and take the power of the founding Titan from the King there. They also have a spy in the Marleyan military called the Owl. He finds out that Marley also wants to steal the Founding Titan power from the king as part of a greater struggle for natural resources,

Grisha has a son called Zeke (Eren's older half brother) who betrays his parents to Marley's security forces. Grisha is tortured and sent to Paradis were he will be turned into a mindless Titan and left to wander the island as punishment with the others. Once there, he recognizes Gross as one of the men responsible for his sisters death. But before Gross can kill him, The Owl who has been a Marleyan military guy all this time, makes his move and kills all the Marleyans by transforming into a Titan that looks suspiciously like Eren's.

I hope this helps. Like I tell everyone, while the anime adaptation is REALLY good and faithful to the story, I'll always recommend checking out the manga for greater detail and a more fleshed out story.

On my own personal note, while I've been waiting years to see this animated, I'm a bit disappointed to see that they cut so many corners with many still images. Come on guys!!


Thank you!! This definitely helps, I watched the episode with subs but there was just too much info for me to take in I guess

Maybe you watched fansubs and not official sub
 
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Half-brother

Step brothers are not related by blood


Ohh true, and people saying that those titans were the ones in battle of trost. But I'm still trying to figure out how berthold and reiner were also apart of it then if they weren't on the wall that episode? Is that a later reveal or am I just mixing something up here?

If those were the trost titans or not actually is not confirmed by ath not even in the manga as much as i know and it stays a minor detail that doesnt have any relation or effect on the story.. so cool ur head
 
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Damn does Mikasa look HOT with this 'haircut'!!
 
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Screencap from this episode under the spoiler

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Nice beast titan puppy lol
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OMG, so the one who ate Eren's mother was Dina :o
And lol, Zeke, screw you!
 
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Holy shit thats a lot to take in at once. Wow. Real nice episode. Loved the flow and direction. Plus that OST fuck yeah.

Next up is "Shingeki no kyojin" huh.
 
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So basically....eren eats his father
...and his step-mom is of royal blood and also the one who ate his biological mom
...Damn
 
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A lot of information this episode. Enjoyed this backstory a lot, it was entertaining. Truly, you can't force your ideals on your own child, both are human, whether it's someone with important blood or not.
 
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Swizze said:
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Half-brother

Step brothers are not related by blood


Ohh true, and people saying that those titans were the ones in battle of trost. But I'm still trying to figure out how berthold and reiner were also apart of it then if they weren't on the wall that episode? Is that a later reveal or am I just mixing something up here?


You're mixing it up. Just remember that the attack on the walls begun when Eren was 10 years old. The fact that the titans were the same is just a nod, seeing how titans are presumably immortals (or can live a really long life, like Ymir being a titan for 60 years) and they would still be running wild.

 
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Awesome. Following the manga monthly killed my enthusiasm for this series a bit, but once again, the anime restored it with showcasing how fascinating the story can be. Condensed and greatly presented.
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Ah could see that one coming... never follow strangers >< At most she should have stayed on the side or something...
Mikasa's bedhair was amazing haha
 
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Not sure if I understood, then they actually live on a small island, called Paradis, where the government used to(maybe still?) bring people to transform them into titans?
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Ok this was a lot to take in. I had to pause several times in order to fully grasp what has been going on. It wasn't hard to understand but rather too much info all at once.

I liked this episode and seeing Grisha's past. I think he really handled his son in the worst way possible. I would be interested in seeing Marley's perspective to all this, but I don't know if this will happen later on or if it wasn't even included in the manga. I am also interested in seeing how this reveal will impact people's lives inside the walls.
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This was... a lot to take in. In just one and a half episodes we've completely flipped our understanding of everything on its head, and I'm struggling to keep up while I work through the implications and ramifications of everything that happened in this flashback.
 
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Anime of the decade
I love this anime
 
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Swizze said:


Ohh true, and people saying that those titans were the ones in battle of trost. But I'm still trying to figure out how berthold and reiner were also apart of it then if they weren't on the wall that episode? Is that a later reveal or am I just mixing something up here?


You're mixing it up. Just remember that the attack on the walls begun when Eren was 10 years old. The fact that the titans were the same is just a nod, seeing how titans are presumably immortals (or can live a really long life, like Ymir being a titan for 60 years) and they would still be running wild.


But we still don't know about them pre season one right?
 
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all i will say is that im fucking shocked....
10000/10 amazing ep as usual
 
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Great episode. These revelations are now known to the anime onlys.
 
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Now that the reveals have starting to sink in, the implications become evident. It's interesting to me that for the rulers inside the walls (in Paradis) being eaten by Titans is a better option than war or slavery under the Marley-ans. When King Fritz must have moved the Eldians there, he would not have known that they would face constant attacks from Titans that the Marley-ans would release into Paradis. Once they realized what kind of a confined life they were living, wouldn't it have been better to choose to fight Marley again? Even after the horrors suffered during the loss of Wall Maria? Was it just the rulers being selfish and content with their own lives of luxury, not caring about the rest? Or were the horrors from the Eldian's past so great that even this terrible, caged existence was preferable to it?

I have a lot of questions. The next episode can't come fast enough.
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