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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Such a perfect finale to the arc! T_T

Thank you so much, Sensei for letting me enjoy this manga unlike anything else! T_T

The 'New Game' begins...
 
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Jun 12, 2019 2:01 PM

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Really love the development the series is taking, at least they are having such a healthy relationship which is pretty refreshing.

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It will take time, but Kaguya and Miyuki will gradually learn more and more about each other.

I look forward to the 'New Game' arc (and their first date)!

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ahhhhh what a great ending to this arc man.
can't wait for the next arc
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Jun 13, 2019 6:49 PM

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Wow that was a great way to end the arc damn. I'm absolutely satisfied with these developments, Kaguya with the ribbons is finally back.

I'm very curious to know what the New game arc is about can't wait for it
 
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Jun 13, 2019 7:36 PM
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A kiss Hand holding honest talk about their feelings and a promised date
 
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Jun 13, 2019 8:12 PM

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Nice chapter. I'm starting to miss to insane comedy this series used to have though. Curious to see where things will go from here.
 
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This was so heartwarming i could barely handle it

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Nice chapter. I'm starting to miss to insane comedy this series used to have though. Curious to see where things will go from here.
the earlier parts of this arc were over the top, im sure we will be going back to that now they just needed to handle this massive status quo change with some grace

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
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Jun 13, 2019 9:02 PM

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Hnng, how does this continue to be so good?
 
Jun 13, 2019 9:18 PM

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Huge development I love it! What a great way to end the ice arc. So heart warming. I wonder when the others will know about their relationship
 
Jun 13, 2019 9:26 PM

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Aka is going through every single point to perfection, this manga is just incredible I will not say no more.
 
Jun 13, 2019 9:32 PM
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I don't care anymore. ..
What the hell is creatures. .
 
Jun 13, 2019 9:51 PM

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Other romcoms just can't compete. They goin on that new game+ damn
 
Jun 13, 2019 9:53 PM

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Maybe I'm the only one who feels so awkward reading these kinds of things that i've to close my eyes for 5 minutes every panel.

Well, let the date begin.
 
Jun 13, 2019 10:01 PM
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Just hope they announce a season 2 for the anime that covers up until the end of the school festival Arc or more.
 
Jun 13, 2019 10:08 PM

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Aka-sensei you did it again! Amazing end of this arc, they are finally dating!!! But whats going on with our man Ishigami at his Christmas party? Cant wait for next chapter as always!
well that's just my opinion.....
 
Jun 13, 2019 11:14 PM

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What looked to be an unpleasant arc to begin with, turned into something quite special.
My Queens

 
Jun 13, 2019 11:40 PM
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It is nice that they are opening up a little with each other.
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Jun 13, 2019 11:42 PM

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What a way to end this arc, this was such a great step on their relationship! Akasaka never stops delivering.
 
Jun 14, 2019 12:10 AM

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Finallyyy. I'm so satisfied ;A;
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Jun 14, 2019 12:12 AM

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i'm so happy with this chapter. finally it's happening!

 
Jun 14, 2019 1:04 AM

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Well, that's the end of the arc.

I... didn't enjoy it. Not at all. To me, it felt like the characters I'd spent over a hundred chapters learning to love were replaced with entirely different ones who happened to look the same. I don't like Ice Kaguya, I don't like Shirogane's deep and edgy backstory, I don't like how they backtracked over and denied the festival confession arc. The only chapter I've liked in a long time was the Fujiwara Pagan New Christmas Year, because it actually felt like a Kaguya-sama chapter to me.

It's not like I'm dropping the manga. Hopefully we'll see a return to form with the new start and new arc. I'm still hyped to see how Ishigami's oblivious love triangle will work out, and how Maki's going to end up winning it. But... yeah, lately it hasn't been doing it for me.
 
Jun 14, 2019 2:42 AM

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>when an arc ending amazingly satisfying, but the preview for next arc is ominous

FFS AUTHOR
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Jun 14, 2019 4:22 AM

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Pretty nice end of the arc, in the end it was dragging out quite a lot. Another first kiss, very cute. Always liked Judge Kaguya =/
So now NG+ starts ...
 
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Shirai-chan said:
Huge development I love it! What a great way to end the ice arc. So heart warming. I wonder when the others will know about their relationship
Thats probably the thing im most interested in seeing, is how they let everyone else know

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
Jun 14, 2019 7:17 AM
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Most manga suck at romance, but every now and again, this one gets it right. Heartwarming chapter.
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Well, that's the end of the arc.

I... didn't enjoy it. Not at all. To me, it felt like the characters I'd spent over a hundred chapters learning to love were replaced with entirely different ones who happened to look the same. I don't like Ice Kaguya, I don't like Shirogane's deep and edgy backstory, I don't like how they backtracked over and denied the festival confession arc. The only chapter I've liked in a long time was the Fujiwara Pagan New Christmas Year, because it actually felt like a Kaguya-sama chapter to me.

It's not like I'm dropping the manga. Hopefully we'll see a return to form with the new start and new arc. I'm still hyped to see how Ishigami's oblivious love triangle will work out, and how Maki's going to end up winning it. But... yeah, lately it hasn't been doing it for me.


I disagree. The point of the festival arc was to show how over the top and over dramatic does NOT necessarily equal true romance. The message was that just being down to earth is far more realistic for a couple to move forward in their relationship. You call it "edgy" but the revelations for Miyuki did more for his character than the entire story so far. Same for Kaguya as well. It doesn't back track on previous developments. It merely added to them.

I can't tell you how to feel but you should consider that the series has moved on from its starting formula a long time ago, really with the Ishigami arc. The mind games at the start were certainly fun but that would have gotten old pretty quick if there was never any progress. The author has proven that he's capable of writing both comedy and serious scenarios well.

Truthfully I feel the Ice Kaguya arc started a bit rocky but I had faith it would be worth it and bring development for both Kaguya and Miyuki and I was not disappointed. My expectations were actually surpassed with the recent chapters.
 
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this is big, this is legit, and this is realistic. No bullshit at all, just them talking about how they're willing to accept each other despite their downsides. A perfect finale for this arc. props to the author
 
Jun 14, 2019 12:48 PM
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Finally...After what it felt like 3000 years
 
Jun 14, 2019 2:00 PM

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I disagree. The point of the festival arc was to show how over the top and over dramatic does NOT necessarily equal true romance. The message was that just being down to earth is far more realistic for a couple to move forward in their relationship. You call it "edgy" but the revelations for Miyuki did more for his character than the entire story so far. Same for Kaguya as well. It doesn't back track on previous developments. It merely added to them.


The point of the festival arc was for these two idiots to finally fess up and tell each other straight-up how they felt. Which, more or less, it achieved. The climax was over the top, it was dramatic, and it was fucking fantastic. I was more than satisfied with that being the confession point and the point of change for this relationship, because it felt earned. This... no. It might be more 'realistic' (for whatever that's worth in a manga where Shirogane is a functioning human who manages to hit the back of his own head while spiking a volleyball), but it's not as good a story. The festival confession was the climax the manga had been building up to, and this arc has backtracked and undercut it - it's really not deniable.

And I still don't like the character developments. They were fine, as-written, for over a hundred chapters. Did more for Shirogane's character? What needed to be done? And why on earth was 'let's give him a tragic backstory' the best way of doing it? I was perfectly happy with his drive to succeed coming from his own pride, drive to improve his lot in life, and will to stay ahead of Kaguya like it has been ever since the start; there was no need to add anything on top of that.

I can't tell you how to feel but you should consider that the series has moved on from its starting formula a long time ago, really with the Ishigami arc. The mind games at the start were certainly fun but that would have gotten old pretty quick if there was never any progress. The author has proven that he's capable of writing both comedy and serious scenarios well.


You seem to have me mistaken. You seem to think I'm complaining about the series moving on from its mind-game roots. I can see how you'd think that, given how I say that in my pos...

...no, wait, I didn't say that anywhere in my post at all. Guess you're just putting words in my mouth!

I'm fine with the serious character arcs. I loved Ishigami's story. I'm fine with the series not being about mind games any more. That's why I only started souring on this manga with this arc - where Kaguya becomes unrecognisable and Shirogane is given a dark past and self-loathing issues for no reason. Serious is fine. Edge for edge's sake is not.

Aka's built up a lot of trust. It's not like I'm going to stop reading - like I said, I'm hopeful that we're going to see a return to form now that we're on to the next arc. But this has been a blip in an otherwise fantastic manga. If you don't feel that way, I'm genuinely happy for you. But you're not changing my mind on this.
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Gotta love when people just HAVE to try and find issues where there isn't any...
 
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The point of the festival arc was for these two idiots to finally fess up and tell each other straight-up how they felt.


Fuck no. If the festival arc confession was the confession, it would have been plain disappointing. Shirogane never confessed. He pussied out and tried dip out of there because they were both going to America together. It was puke level at best.
 
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Maurice_5 said:


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Congrats! You know how to be a sarcastic jerk! A cookie for you.

I interpreted your line "because it actually felt like a Kaguya-sama chapter to me." as having an issue with the change in setting throughout the series from its origin. If that isn't true then so be it, but I'd appreciate you not making baseless accusations of me putting words in your mouth when that's a pretty sensible conclusion to come to from that line.

And yes your opinion is your opinion and so be it. I think you're being incredibly petty and either missing the point of what the author was going for or choosing not to see it, but it is what it is.

If you look at these developments now and then look back as the Festival arc, you begin to see what Aka was going for and that this was planned for a while now. If you enjoyed the Festival arc, that's cool. I did as well and even looking at this now I won't say otherwise because it's still a great arc. But when you look at those developments followed immediately by this arc, you begin to see that Aka really intended to dive deeper into Miyuki and Kaguya.

I'm not sure why you're so opposed to a more realistic development for these characters just because the manga contains gag elements. Or why you think it's "being edgy to be edgy" when the hints for these developments have in fact been there from the start. What we learned about Miyuki isn't entirely out of nowhere. Sure we didn't know all the details and how deep it was but he's shown signs of self-doubt around Kaguya and a lack of sleep due to obsessive studying from the beginning that was hidden through jokes. But it's been there.And likewise the "masks" of Kaguya have been greatly hinted as well throughout the series so "Ice Kaguya" was not really something that shocking.

Of course my preferred Kaguya will always be Base Kaguya no matter what and I can understand people not liking Ice Kaguya but her presence opened the doors for a lot of upcoming content I feel.

 
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iasuru said:
Maurice_5 said:
The point of the festival arc was for these two idiots to finally fess up and tell each other straight-up how they felt.


Fuck no. If the festival arc confession was the confession, it would have been plain disappointing. Shirogane never confessed. He pussied out and tried dip out of there because they were both going to America together. It was puke level at best.
also it would of been awful for him mentally cause him trying too hard at the cost of his own health has been a running theme forever now and that overly dramatic confession is a perfect encapsulation of that.
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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
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I guess this arc is fucking over.
I never doubted Aka's abilities, I just feel like this arc has been too different from the rest of them, and for the first time I noticed how much the story can be dragged if it wants to. The entire thing could be resolved so much faster. I get that this happened more than once between them, but this was just stupid.
I still think this is my least favorite arc, but I'm okay with it if Aka thinks this is the only way to make these two honest with each other. I definitely think that it's not.
 
Jun 15, 2019 11:23 AM

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We got some real development in this chapter. Really looking forward to the next one.


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Deep roots are not reached by the frost."

 
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iasuru said:
Maurice_5 said:
The point of the festival arc was for these two idiots to finally fess up and tell each other straight-up how they felt.


Fuck no. If the festival arc confession was the confession, it would have been plain disappointing. Shirogane never confessed. He pussied out and tried dip out of there because they were both going to America together. It was puke level at best.


You're high. That confession was incredible.
 
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TsukuyomiREKT said:
iasuru said:


Fuck no. If the festival arc confession was the confession, it would have been plain disappointing. Shirogane never confessed. He pussied out and tried dip out of there because they were both going to America together. It was puke level at best.


You're high. That confession was incredible.


nope.

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Jun 15, 2019 1:57 PM

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iasuru said:
TsukuyomiREKT said:


You're high. That confession was incredible.


nope.

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Yep. It was the best chapter of the series.
 
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TsukuyomiREKT said:
iasuru said:


nope.

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Yep. It was the best chapter of the series.


i mean ok. good for you
 
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iasuru said:
TsukuyomiREKT said:


Yep. It was the best chapter of the series.


i mean ok. good for you


Good for me and almost everyone else.
 
Jun 15, 2019 11:43 PM

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wow that was so awesome...finally both opening up..never saw that one coming
 
Jun 16, 2019 1:47 AM
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Page 17 really touched me deep down and I want to understand it in full detail.

What does Aka-sensei really refer to with "And *this* is... (The caricature of a girl's......)"

What does that "this" refer to?
Is it Kaguya's whole representation throughout the manga?
 
Jun 16, 2019 3:04 AM

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This was massive! Can't wait to see how things go from now on.
 
Jun 16, 2019 4:39 AM

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Another beautiful chapter. Perfect end to the arc. Really loving this.
 
Jun 17, 2019 5:28 AM

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Best chapter after the Dual Confessions arc.

A new arc is starting.
 
Dec 1, 2019 5:48 AM

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Beautiful conclusion, definitely one of the best chapters so far. Kaguya's character development is insane.. I think Miyuki will try to put down the brave, perfect front sometimes from now on. Their relationship and character development are amazing and incredibly heartwarming <3
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