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Jun 10, 4:27 AM
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Kaizenzen said:
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I mean, you can even go back to Kira's escape on part 4, when Crazy Diamond's healing instead of bringing him back to his hand, as it happened with Okuyasu, chased him. Or even how he had time to go to Aya's place, seeing how close the gang were chasing him.

Not really trying to compare which part is better, but I think you just have to be satisfied with the results to buy it. You probably did it with the Kira example, but not now. I also think is kinda silly how it happened, but I'm not the bothered because I think the story is benefited by it.


Only recognize part when kira run from jotaro and kira far ahead jotaro while jotara chasing him. I think that part inconsistent too. But at least, their fight is interesting, part 4 develop time to build how powerfull, scary Kira, and the skill is consistent.

In part 5, the inconsistent part isn't covered by how good the characters, or story, or fighting. Part 5 feels flat. Chased by enemy, fight, new "skill", win, and so on until now. But the art and sound is cool anyway.


Not sure why you're not liking such a classic and enjoyable part but it's developing in every episodes, Giorno killing polpo leads bruno to become capo, hitman team wanted trish to track down the boss, literally every character got a character development in hitman team fights, then in boss betraying arc trish got character development, abbacchio die and his death wasn't in vain because he completed boss fingerprint replay, which helped polnareff to get in contact with bruno gang, and later you learned boss was involved with arrow deal and without him part 3 and 4 would never happen. By now you should have realize that most of the jojo part has simple story but it doesn't matter because characters are really good, does every show has to be complex to be good? The characters of part 5 are not even fooling around like part 4. but then again every jojo parts are separted so they can be enjoyed in different experience, I hope you enjoy those parts which have yet to animate and you have fully rights to express your opinion.
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Mr_Tux said:
Why didn't Polnareff tell Jotaro or how didn't Jotaro notice Polnareff was missing or almost dead in Italy?


Boss vs Jotaro would have been incredible.

If Jotaro was present, the story would have ended in like, 2 episodes.
 
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PedroBV96 said:
Mr_Tux said:
Why didn't Polnareff tell Jotaro or how didn't Jotaro notice Polnareff was missing or almost dead in Italy?


Boss vs Jotaro would have been incredible.

If Jotaro was present, the story would have ended in like, 2 episodes.

if jotaro was here he would die
 
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I'm surprised that in this fierce discussion on whether Part 5 is complex or not, with all these arguments, and also ith many words of appreciation towards Doppio turning into Diavolo, nobody pointed out one thing...

Doppio/Diavolo in the anime adaptation used King Crimson after saying: "Korewa shirenda". In the manga, from what I read, he didn't, but the dialogue was adapted in anime as it has appeared in manga. But King Crimson's time erase made whole Diavolo's monologue pointless and - if we look at it from Polnareff's point of view - awkward.

I searched if somebody felt the same and I found this video perfectly describing what I am talking about:


Bizarre, yet funny thing, because time erase added to this scene didn't ruin logic behind it. Polnareff just didn't hear full Diavolo's speech, but he could answer whether he agreed or disagreed with the statement that this situation was a test. xD Knowing full context was not that necessary.

I believe Polnareff was shocked as hell when Doppio became a completely different person in a jiffy. Shocked to the point of not caring what Doppio started talking about and what Diavolo asked about.
 
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Nycro said:
After Abbacchios death I don't enjoy this part anymore. Does anyone feel the same way?


Absolutely based and Leonepilled
 
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The_Undying said:
Nycro said:
After Abbacchios death I don't enjoy this part anymore. Does anyone feel the same way?


This entire arc for me is just luke-warm, nothing like season 4 where character deaths made me bawl my eyes out. Felt nothing when Polnareffuuuu died.


Character deaths in season 4? Did you mean season 3 or are you trolling?
 
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oceanmachine said:
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This entire arc for me is just luke-warm, nothing like season 4 where character deaths made me bawl my eyes out. Felt nothing when Polnareffuuuu died.


Character deaths in season 4? Did you mean season 3 or are you trolling?


Shigechi's death was the "highlight" when it came to emotional deaths in JoJo.

Let's be real, I was more pissed than sad when Avdol was brought back just to be killed off again. Iggy was kinda sad but the only death that really hit me was Kakyoin's. The rest was "eh, whatever".

Season 4 for me had the best story arc since S3 was a simple "Our group of heroes ventures further to find yet another Stand holder who is stronger than the previous one", you barely felt any progression throughout the episodes and could have easily skipped half of them without missing anything.
S5 is better than S3 in that regard but the characters feel less fleshed out than in S4, hence why my emotional attachment is so miniscule.
 
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The_Undying said:
oceanmachine said:


Character deaths in season 4? Did you mean season 3 or are you trolling?


Shigechi's death was the "highlight" when it came to emotional deaths in JoJo.

Let's be real, I was more pissed than sad when Avdol was brought back just to be killed off again. Iggy was kinda sad but the only death that really hit me was Kakyoin's. The rest was "eh, whatever".

Season 4 for me had the best story arc since S3 was a simple "Our group of heroes ventures further to find yet another Stand holder who is stronger than the previous one", you barely felt any progression throughout the episodes and could have easily skipped half of them without missing anything.
S5 is better than S3 in that regard but the characters feel less fleshed out than in S4, hence why my emotional attachment is so miniscule.
Well you're in the minority, Abbacchio death hits me hard more than any character in jojo, he wasn't even my favorite character in the gang and characters of part 5 are actually really good, not saying they are perfect but still really fun to watch in fact I have more emotional attachment to part 5 characters than part 4, in the end it's all about opinions so there is absolute no point to argue about this discussion.
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The_Undying said:
oceanmachine said:


Character deaths in season 4? Did you mean season 3 or are you trolling?


Shigechi's death was the "highlight" when it came to emotional deaths in JoJo.

Let's be real, I was more pissed than sad when Avdol was brought back just to be killed off again. Iggy was kinda sad but the only death that really hit me was Kakyoin's. The rest was "eh, whatever".

Season 4 for me had the best story arc since S3 was a simple "Our group of heroes ventures further to find yet another Stand holder who is stronger than the previous one", you barely felt any progression throughout the episodes and could have easily skipped half of them without missing anything.
S5 is better than S3 in that regard but the characters feel less fleshed out than in S4, hence why my emotional attachment is so miniscule.

I can't imagine "bawling my eyes out" over a character who was introduced three episodes before he's killed off but you do you I guess.
 
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P.S. I feel like this is the first time Part 5 was actually done justice. They were probably saving all their budget for these episodes(but my question is: did were they seriously not able to find the resources for a complete proper adaptation, or do they really not care enough to).


You have got to be kidding me. First time? I can understand if people don't like part 5 (story/characters etc.) as it's not for everyone but I can't really understand how anyone can fault the adaptation of it if you like it. I'm surprised you're satisfied with anything at all if you consider stuff like the Metallica, Grateful Dead/Beach boy, White Album fights etc to be mediocre production. This is the most consistent anime part in terms of quality and direction.

And after the animated memes like the dance and the muda scene, postulating that David Production doesn't care or that this isn't a proper adaptation is the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
7 Page Muda isn't done enough justice, I don't know why you consider that as a fact. The Dance scene was cool, just not the moment we'll remember Part 5 for, as much as people consider JoJo to be pure meme material. Grateful Dead/Beach Boy was good, maybe I forgot about that one, but it was still just a bit better in the manga. Diavolo reveal on the other hand was just as impressive as the manga though and this is why I put it as the first time the anime is just as good.

I consider the production mediocre because of the animation quality more than anything else, I just think that this Part deserved an Ufotable level of animation budget. Call me pretentious, but the visual representation of the happenings were always the most important about the Part I never really liked all that much. For those who have read the manga, you would know just how good Araki is at creating impressionable imageries. To me the most consistent adaptation if Part 1/2, followed by Part 4 Blue-rays.
Maybe I'm just the anime viewer equivalent of people judging video games based on graphics, but I find the visuals the most important part of an anime adaptation, even more so than Music/Sound design. It single-handedly makes or breaks adaptations for me.
 
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TV version of Parts 1 & 2 was a fucking slideshow with an ugly art, I don't know what you're on about. I agree that Blu-Rays look really nice, but the original one was...really meh to put it slightly.
 
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Meritas said:
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You have got to be kidding me. First time? I can understand if people don't like part 5 (story/characters etc.) as it's not for everyone but I can't really understand how anyone can fault the adaptation of it if you like it. I'm surprised you're satisfied with anything at all if you consider stuff like the Metallica, Grateful Dead/Beach boy, White Album fights etc to be mediocre production. This is the most consistent anime part in terms of quality and direction.

And after the animated memes like the dance and the muda scene, postulating that David Production doesn't care or that this isn't a proper adaptation is the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
7 Page Muda isn't done enough justice, I don't know why you consider that as a fact. The Dance scene was cool, just not the moment we'll remember Part 5 for, as much as people consider JoJo to be pure meme material. Grateful Dead/Beach Boy was good, maybe I forgot about that one, but it was still just a bit better in the manga. Diavolo reveal on the other hand was just as impressive as the manga though and this is why I put it as the first time the anime is just as good.

I consider the production mediocre because of the animation quality more than anything else, I just think that this Part deserved an Ufotable level of animation budget. Call me pretentious, but the visual representation of the happenings were always the most important about the Part I never really liked all that much. For those who have read the manga, you would know just how good Araki is at creating impressionable imageries. To me the most consistent adaptation if Part 1/2, followed by Part 4 Blue-rays.
Maybe I'm just the anime viewer equivalent of people judging video games based on graphics, but I find the visuals the most important part of an anime adaptation, even more so than Music/Sound design. It single-handedly makes or breaks adaptations for me.

i dont know what you are smoking part 5 has the best and consistent animation
part 1 and 2 where a slide show compared to part 5
 
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Meritas said:
darius said:
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You have got to be kidding me. First time? I can understand if people don't like part 5 (story/characters etc.) as it's not for everyone but I can't really understand how anyone can fault the adaptation of it if you like it. I'm surprised you're satisfied with anything at all if you consider stuff like the Metallica, Grateful Dead/Beach boy, White Album fights etc to be mediocre production. This is the most consistent anime part in terms of quality and direction.

And after the animated memes like the dance and the muda scene, postulating that David Production doesn't care or that this isn't a proper adaptation is the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
7 Page Muda isn't done enough justice, I don't know why you consider that as a fact. The Dance scene was cool, just not the moment we'll remember Part 5 for, as much as people consider JoJo to be pure meme material. Grateful Dead/Beach Boy was good, maybe I forgot about that one, but it was still just a bit better in the manga. Diavolo reveal on the other hand was just as impressive as the manga though and this is why I put it as the first time the anime is just as good.

I consider the production mediocre because of the animation quality more than anything else, I just think that this Part deserved an Ufotable level of animation budget. Call me pretentious, but the visual representation of the happenings were always the most important about the Part I never really liked all that much. For those who have read the manga, you would know just how good Araki is at creating impressionable imageries. To me the most consistent adaptation if Part 1/2, followed by Part 4 Blue-rays.
Maybe I'm just the anime viewer equivalent of people judging vide games based on graphics, but I find the visuals the most important part of an anime adaptation, even more so than Music/Sound design. It single-handedly makes or breaks adaptations for me.
u okay reatard? I'm wood, stupid and asides from jojoke your comment is clearly the most stupid comment in this thread, the 7 page muda in anime have exact same muda as manga around 134 or something and calling the best adaption slideshow is really hilarious. Watch one punch man if you wants to witness a garbage adaption.
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BOSS IS SO SEXY AF NO HOMO

 
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This episode kind of reflects the arc. Some good style, some nice moments, but a lot of flaws in the writing and planning. What the heck is Polnareff even doing? He somehow lives under the radar for years after his encounter with this guy and makes his gamble of contacting some stand using gangsters that are looking for the boss instead of...freaking Jotaro! You know the one person who probably could beat this guy. Erasing time doesn't matter all that much if you are frozen in time already and being beaten to a pulp.

Polnareff just doesn't make any sense here. If he's afraid of being found out I'd say he's risking that anyways. How the heck is he surviving as injured as he is? Where's he getting his food or the medical treatments that saved his life in the first place? If he can contact Giorno's group safely then email your own allies first!

It is sad to see Polnareff die. But he's dead because of his own stupidity which is what always got him into trouble. There's nothing really sad about it since even slight rational thought would have kept Polnareff alive. Araki went for cool and dramatic without actually making sure it made sense. Much like introducing a super powerful stand like Purple Haze, but then having to write that character out of the story since it was too powerful to balance. Or introducing Giorno with a power to create life that reflects damage if you hit it. And then almost immediately forgetting he has that power for the remainder of the story. Here we go for the dramatic twist of "oh wow Polnareff is here" and can't carry on with logical sense. Araki created a dilemma of either needing Polnareff's actions to make no sense or to have Jotaro beat the main villain for the third straight arc.
 
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Never cared for Polnareff not in part 3 nor in part 5 manga and look at me ugly sobbing now
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u okay reatard? I'm wood, stupid and asides from jojoke your comment is clearly the most stupid comment in this thread, the 7 page muda in anime have exact same muda as manga around 134 or something and calling the best adaption slideshow is really hilarious. Watch one punch man if you wants to witness a garbage adaption.
I told you, it's not garbage adaptation, its just not good enough. And the number of punches doesn't make for the same feeling you get out of the 7-page muda. That one takes 1/3rd of the reading time for one chapter. Now compared this with what, 40-50 seconds out of a 20-minutes episode? This actually shows my second biggest problem with the anime - which is pacing. A lot of the stuff happening feels dramatically longer in the manga.

No point in screeching at people who think that one of the best JoJo Parts deserved even better adaptation than what it got.


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i dont know what you are smoking part 5 has the best and consistent animation
part 1 and 2 where a slide show compared to part 5
I don't know how exactly you got to that comparison, but I'll give just one side to this matter and that will be enough to defend my point. Look at the source material Part 1/2 are adapting and the one for Part 5. The latter shows a superb growth of art style and this adaptation is just not getting there for the most part. When the colourised manga looks better than the anime it's just not good enough. While this(and the next episode when you see it) are perfect, probably half the time I feel like I'm watching a 360p quality art style.
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It was tense and stressful seeing Doppio trick Bruno into getting closer and closer towards the Colosseum while his senses were failing him but I guess that anything would be better than stumbling into the road and getting run over by disgruntled drivers with the destination being just a street away. The guy's convinced that the person who made all those telephone sounds with their mouth was Trish while his friends are looking for him without knowing that he's in the corner of their eye all along. They eventually made it and Polnareff saw through Doppio's bluff but he let his guard down immediately after, only to realize that it was too late when he had realized what was really going on.

In addition to finally seeing Polnareff himself, it was great seeing him and Jotaro together after Part 3. With his friend exploring Asia and America, Jean-Pierre was the one who ended up finding the origin of Stands by hunting down mafiosos at the cost of 3 of his limbs and his motor functions. I'm pretty sure that the guys over at Speedwagon Foundation were the ones that saved him from near-death at the time since he wouldn't have had those prosthetics on him, let alone get out of those cliffs alive without help. He wouldn't have been able to pull off all those fancy tricks with the laptops and compile all those information about Passione if it weren't for their technology too. I guess that he insisted to Jotaro that they both should continue to investigate on their own because getting mixed into each other's business would've been too dangerous. I doubt that Jotaro would put up much of a fight against Diavolo too considering how big the gap between Star Platinum: The World's current time-stop and King Crimson's erasure is.

No matter how much he tried, Polnareff was turned into a donut as well but it looks like Silver Chariot getting stabbed by that arrow of his awakened something on a whole other level.








 
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Kaizenzen said:
Meh...

- stupid explanation how bucellati only sense soul and boss resemblance the same soul as trish. This soul thing is very stupid because it is the main plot not like part 4 where afterlife is just a sideplot and for fun. Plot armor for boss.
- giorno and the gang came first at front of Colosseum, but the boss get in first. Plot armor again. I know we can think giorno find bucellati but that is inconsistent with trish said the boss around and at the end giorno get in without bucellati even when giorno doesnt feel time skipped yet
- why diavolo suddenly revealed his identity from doppio. Like no one even know diavolo before. As i dont read manga, i always think diavolo doesnt come out because there's a big trade off or something disadvantage for boss live.

I have watched 33 episodes and people who tell me to stop is numb. It is like a hundred i considered to stop, but i already watch it and also i love all other jojo.

I totally agree . This part is just full of plot armors ,plot holes and araki forgot moments . It's one of the worst part imo :/
 
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Oussema said:
Kaizenzen said:
Meh...

- stupid explanation how bucellati only sense soul and boss resemblance the same soul as trish. This soul thing is very stupid because it is the main plot not like part 4 where afterlife is just a sideplot and for fun. Plot armor for boss.
- giorno and the gang came first at front of Colosseum, but the boss get in first. Plot armor again. I know we can think giorno find bucellati but that is inconsistent with trish said the boss around and at the end giorno get in without bucellati even when giorno doesnt feel time skipped yet
- why diavolo suddenly revealed his identity from doppio. Like no one even know diavolo before. As i dont read manga, i always think diavolo doesnt come out because there's a big trade off or something disadvantage for boss live.

I have watched 33 episodes and people who tell me to stop is numb. It is like a hundred i considered to stop, but i already watch it and also i love all other jojo.

I totally agree . This part is just full of p ownlot armors ,plot holes and araki forgot moments . It's one of the worst part imo :/

lol, yeah that dude complain about literally everything and it's a further proof mal is a terrible site when it comes to discussion, people just tries to find reason to hate a good season by adding their own bs logic like at give a valid criticism.
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ExodiaX said:
Oussema said:

I totally agree . This part is just full of p ownlot armors ,plot holes and araki forgot moments . It's one of the worst part imo :/

lol, yeah that dude complain about literally everything and it's a further proof mal is a terrible site when it comes to discussion, people just tries to find reason to hate a good season by adding their own bs logic like at give a valid criticism.


You must be bias. There are many comment that show good only, my bad only coments contribute 1/10 of populaton maybe. Let's talk another statistic, Jojo part 5 anime ratings 8.82 which is the highest of all jojo, but the manga rating is 8.21 which the next worse than part 1.

So, people like in anime more than manga, because of what? it is because music, design, and animation. While from people who heavily focus on story side (manga guys) will feel many weakness in part 5. If you search other forum from manga, most of them find part 5 story is weak, overpower stands, araki forgot, and inconsistent.

At least, i make you lol, that's a pleasure for me. cheer.


 
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Amazing episode!!! They really did well on this, but I still think the Manga drew the eerie and surprise of Polanareff much better than the Anime.

I already know what happens next, yet I can't stop being so excited!!

Gonna be Godlike final few episodes for sure!
 
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These cliffhangers are absolutely killing me. Yesterday I started at episode 20 and meant to stop at 25, yet made it to 27. Today I meant to stop at 32, but it looks like I'm going to completely catch up. I already know bits of what's going on and about to happen yet it's all so exciting I just can't stop! This is why I should have waited for it to finish airing....

We finally get to see Diavolo's true form and my man PolPol reappears. He truly has some of the shittiest luck. It was great to see a glimpse of Silver Chariot too. It's still my favorite stand <3

Now to the next episode!
 
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