| daigo is pure evil, his lust for power is what drove him to do what he did,still the show is trying desperately to show him as the good ruler who puts his people's interest above anything else,ever since hyakkimaru met his family there;s that bullshit that going on about how he should abandon his quest to kill the demons,i mean it isn't hyakkimaru's fault that demons are fucking up every thing in the world. |
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| Except they aren't redeeming him? This is pretty much lie told over thousands of times becomes truth stance. He is basicaly lying about Hyakki being sorce of all evil to himself and others, pretty much making Hyakkimaru excuse that his hunger for power (pretty much the reason why he sealed the deal in the first place) is for greater good. And it is working on those around him except the wife, after all who would people believe? Random guy who cannot fully be human, or someone who pretty much was made a hero, almost living legend in the land by bringing prosperity, despite being completely in dark about the whole process? |
bigmustache93 said: daigo is pure evil, his lust for power is what drove him to do what he did,still the show is trying desperately to show him as the good ruler who puts his people's interest above anything else,ever since hyakkimaru met his family there;s that bullshit that going on about how he should abandon his quest to kill the demons,i mean it isn't hyakkimaru's fault that demons are fucking up every thing in the world. We've already seen proof that the demons actually helped the land. They, in fact, made it so dozens and dozens of people wouldn't starve, and that was just one village. Honestly, Daigo and the demons in this case, represent a a certain ideology: allowing monsters to live that kill SOME of the popular, but in return everybody who is alive flourishes. It has been stated dozens of times, and even shown, that before the demons the country sucked, people were starving and being killed constantly. The remake has made things more morally gray because it has shown that Daigo's choice DID legitimately make the country better. But, on the other hand, Hyakkimaru is justified in wanting vengeance. |
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bigmustache93 said: because that's what he is. He's ruler before a father, and as a ruler sometimes you have to make sacrifices. And he chose to make his son the sacrifice. That's all. Every leader has to make decisions like this. Does that mean they're all evil because they want power SO THEY CAN PROTECT THEIR COUNTRY??daigo is pure evil, his lust for power is what drove him to do what he did,still the show is trying desperately to show him as the good ruler who puts his people's interest above anything else,ever since hyakkimaru met his family there;s that bullshit that going on about how he should abandon his quest to kill the demons,i mean it isn't hyakkimaru's fault that demons are fucking up every thing in the world. |
SparkleDuck said: bigmustache93 said: daigo is pure evil, his lust for power is what drove him to do what he did,still the show is trying desperately to show him as the good ruler who puts his people's interest above anything else,ever since hyakkimaru met his family there;s that bullshit that going on about how he should abandon his quest to kill the demons,i mean it isn't hyakkimaru's fault that demons are fucking up every thing in the world. We've already seen proof that the demons actually helped the land. They, in fact, made it so dozens and dozens of people wouldn't starve, and that was just one village. Honestly, Daigo and the demons in this case, represent a a certain ideology: allowing monsters to live that kill SOME of the popular, but in return everybody who is alive flourishes. It has been stated dozens of times, and even shown, that before the demons the country sucked, people were starving and being killed constantly. The remake has made things more morally gray because it has shown that Daigo's choice DID legitimately make the country better. But, on the other hand, Hyakkimaru is justified in wanting vengeance. aren't demons a force of evil, how should they be any good for the people and the land, the whole concept of demons in this anime seems a bit confusing,by your logic it's okey to put innocent people in suffering so the majority could live in prosperity,doesn't that seems amoral. |
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rSaint said: ttcchen said: because that's what he is. He's ruler before a father, and as a ruler sometimes you have to make sacrifices. And he chose to make his son the sacrifice. That's all. Every leader has to make decisions like this. Does that mean they're all evil because they want power SO THEY CAN PROTECT THEIR COUNTRY?? Daigo didn't sacirifce Hyakkimaru. He said that demons can take anything from him. It was demon's choise to "eat" his firstborn. Of course, he is still responsible for Hyakki's situation, but it's more complicated than people usually make it sound. the guy didnt show any remorse or regret for what he has done,even a ruler who makes hard decisions would show some remorse or regret for some of his mistakes(like feeding his child to the demons) but the guy is just a plain asshole who has all the intention to get rid of his son even after he knew that the kid is still alive. |
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| @rSaint He totally did sacrifice Hyakkimaru. He's excited that that's all he has to give up, and Hyakkimaru obviously means very little to him. |
rSaint said: indeed. He said take anything, so honestly speaking, he was ready to sacrifice himself for his countryttcchen said: because that's what he is. He's ruler before a father, and as a ruler sometimes you have to make sacrifices. And he chose to make his son the sacrifice. That's all. Every leader has to make decisions like this. Does that mean they're all evil because they want power SO THEY CAN PROTECT THEIR COUNTRY?? Daigo didn't sacirifce Hyakkimaru. He said that demons can take anything from him. It was demon's choise to "eat" his firstborn. Of course, he is still responsible for Hyakki's situation, but it's more complicated than people usually make it sound. |
bigmustache93 said: that's not evil, that's apathetic and cold-hearted. And cold-hearted people aren't necessarily evil. If he said to the demons "take my son" then yes he's evil cause he's gonna kill his son. But he didn't, he said "take anything from me". He didn't think the demons would want his son's life. He was fully ready to sacrifice himself. But after finding out the demons left his life alone and took his child, it's normal to feel relief because he was sparedrSaint said: Daigo didn't sacirifce Hyakkimaru. He said that demons can take anything from him. It was demon's choise to "eat" his firstborn. Of course, he is still responsible for Hyakki's situation, but it's more complicated than people usually make it sound. the guy didnt show any remorse or regret for what he has done,even a ruler who makes hard decisions would show some remorse or regret for some of his mistakes(like feeding his child to the demons) but the guy is just a plain asshole who has all the intention to get rid of his son even after he knew that the kid is still alive. |
Claptrap said: he's excited cause he's spared@rSaint He totally did sacrifice Hyakkimaru. He's excited that that's all he has to give up, and Hyakkimaru obviously means very little to him. |
| @ttcchen Yes, but you could say to prefer an innocent child gets sacrificed over yourself is a type of evil in itself. That said, 'evil' doesn't really exist for me. But bad actions exist and this one is. More, the issue is what he's doing is sacrificing his son and he's willing to do so. He feels no remorse for it either, and shows no remorse for it. The decision doesn't look very hard for him at all. He doesn't consider his wife's feelings very much either. He's a pretty callous character |
ArcturusMi said: Claptrap said: @ttcchen Yes, but you could say to prefer an innocent child gets sacrificed over yourself is a type of evil in itself. That said, 'evil' doesn't really exist for me. But bad actions exist and this one is. More, the issue is what he's doing is sacrificing his son and he's willing to do so. He feels no remorse for it either, and shows no remorse for it. The decision doesn't look very hard for him at all. He doesn't consider his wife's feelings very much either. He's a pretty callous character While trying to left Hyakkimaru to die is pretty cruel, Daigo was ready to sacrifice himself for his land, sacrificing his son WAS NOT HIS CHOICE AT ALL. a sacrifice he was willing to take and he never seemed to be conflicted about what he wanted and what he did,he is a cold hearted bastard who should be blamed for all the situation,yet as the show progress I feel like they are trying to force hykkimaru into a moral dilemma by taking his body back and make people suffer or sacrificing his life and future for people he doesn't know and who don't know what happened to him,it's this Japanese mentality of ignoring your individuality for the sake of your country's and community's interest is what bothers me the most. |
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bigmustache93 said: From the beginning they tried to make the show morally ambiguous. There is a lot of bs in it that tries to make that point. For instance H destroying the village that literally fed on murdered travelers apparently you should fell sympathy for the villagers despite you know H saving them from being eaten from the moths in the near future and despite except the adults all being murderers and despite him letting them live. And there are a lot of stories that get twisted for that goal.daigo is pure evil, his lust for power is what drove him to do what he did,still the show is trying desperately to show him as the good ruler who puts his people's interest above anything else,ever since hyakkimaru met his family there;s that bullshit that going on about how he should abandon his quest to kill the demons,i mean it isn't hyakkimaru's fault that demons are fucking up every thing in the world. SparkleDuck said: bigmustache93 said: daigo is pure evil, his lust for power is what drove him to do what he did,still the show is trying desperately to show him as the good ruler who puts his people's interest above anything else,ever since hyakkimaru met his family there;s that bullshit that going on about how he should abandon his quest to kill the demons,i mean it isn't hyakkimaru's fault that demons are fucking up every thing in the world. We've already seen proof that the demons actually helped the land. They, in fact, made it so dozens and dozens of people wouldn't starve, and that was just one village. Honestly, Daigo and the demons in this case, represent a a certain ideology: allowing monsters to live that kill SOME of the popular, but in return everybody who is alive flourishes. It has been stated dozens of times, and even shown, that before the demons the country sucked, people were starving and being killed constantly. The remake has made things more morally gray because it has shown that Daigo's choice DID legitimately make the country better. But, on the other hand, Hyakkimaru is justified in wanting vengeance. Demons did not help the land in any way. It was a deal of the sort : you give us humans to eat and we do not cause natural disasters a least until we get completely free |
| @nightcrawlercyp dude thanks for the reply,i think we could both agree that the writers were trying so hard to make the characters morally ambiguous even though it was clear who was good and who was evil,it's seems obligatory to have sympathetic villain or a morally twisted main characters in anime nowadays, but good stories can be told with simple pure evil villain , it's all about the execution. ps: i've lost interest in the series and dropped it. |
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| this is story where you can't know who is the evil one, like shiki ..... both party had logical reason to their action... |
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