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SIMPLY FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL SOURCE 80%-100%. E.g: Naruto, FMAB, etc.

well, just my point. Now what o u say?
 
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Remember that you adapt the story into a different medium. Don't be afraid to make the necessary changes to make an enjoyable show. A lot of series slip on trying to be a panel by panel adaptation instead of embracing the fact that anime requires a different kind of storytelling.
 
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Heldengeist said:
Remember that you adapt the story into a different medium. Don't be afraid to make the necessary changes to make an enjoyable show. A lot of series slip on trying to be a panel by panel adaptation instead of embracing the fact that anime requires a different kind of storytelling.
This. That's why the anime staff being closely affiliated with the original source's author is key in making a great adaptation.
 
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The Watchmen movie follows closely the comic (pardon me, graphic novel) yet SnyderGenius somehow messed up the tone even in the most fateful scenes.

So you always can fail no matter what formulas you use...and don't feel the original or have an idea what it's about.

Nope, Watchmen is not some fetishistic violence porn glorification as Snyder thinks...despite having some such elements.
 
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Are you saying Naruto is a great adaption? A million bad filler episodes ruining the immersion and pacing might have something to say about that.


The real question is does it matter if it's a good adaption? Or does it only matter if it's a good anime? Being a good adaption only matters to the small group who already knows the source and comes into the anime with specific, biased expectations. Being a good anime matters to all the rest of us, even if it's a bad (aka unfaithful) adaption.

Panel to panel adaptions are, if anything, the safest way to have at least an okay adaption. But it will very rarely lead to greatness, because for greatness you need creativity and using all the strengths of the animation medium to turn the show into something greater than just the sum of its parts, and you don't get that from meticulous panel by panel adaptions.
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Monogatari Series - good story, good adaption. Better than the examples.
 
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1. Follow the source. But, you shouldn't follow it 100% with no changes. You'll get snooze fests like D.Gray Man Hallow and Persona 5.

2. Add a special touch. Again, when making an adaptation, change it up JUST A LITTLE BIT so you give the audience a reason to not just play/read the original source.

3. Be creative with what you've got. Sometimes, the original source isn't perfect. If there's a notable plot hole or a topic not fleshed out, I say go for it (if there's room to).
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reminder that anime adaptations are usually just long advertisements for the source material and anime is more costly to make than lets say manga so its depends on how they think the source material is profitable for example if they want a purist approach to anime adaptations

heck look at the first season 1 ending of Attack on Titan it can be viewed as an original open ending there but they continue it because they did not expect it to be a mega hit show, that ending alone is not a pure adaptation from the manga
 
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I feel like it would be really helpful if the mangaka or light novel author was included in the production; as an advisory or consultant role. For short stories, like 4-koma, they could help fill in the gaps. For longer stories, they can help advice on which panels can be trimmed or combined with another in order to fit the limited budget/showtime.

 
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You can know that the anime is good by the staff and only the staff.
 
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Sometimes just following the source is bad. The only way they can manage is to get a good director and match up the anime. If it's action, we need an epic soundtrack and amazing animation, if it is comedy, we need a great effect that will help the comedy and sound effect as well, and etc.
 
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You can know that the anime is good by the staff and only the staff.


>only the staff

not really look at Darling in the FranXX for example it has great staff even decent production time but a lot of people hated it in the end

but if you said in usual cases then i agree add enough production time too
 
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Are you saying Naruto is a great adaption? A million bad filler episodes ruining the immersion and pacing might have something to say about that.
Yeah, it is.

There is only so much you can do with such source material that run for so long; there is no way every episode could have a good animation, or art, but most of them looked at least decent.

Fillers, like them, or not, gave so much screentime to ignored characters in manga, and were necessary for both author to release more canon material, as well as keep anime relevant.

There were some parts which weren't translated well, or were simply bad, like Naruto vs Pain fight, but I consider anime to be much better than manga.

If there ever was any problem with Naruto franchise, be it anime, or manga, that is how badly Kishimoto threated Sakura compared to male main characters, or rather how he threated most of female characters.
 
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Pullman said:
Are you saying Naruto is a great adaption? A million bad filler episodes ruining the immersion and pacing might have something to say about that.
Yeah, it is.

There is only so much you can do with such source material that run for so long; there is no way every episode could have a good animation, or art, but most of them looked at least decent.

Fillers, like them, or not, gave so much screentime to ignored characters in manga, and were necessary for both author to release more canon material, as well as keep anime relevant.

There were some parts which weren't translated well, or were simply bad, like Naruto vs Pain fight, but I consider anime to be much better than manga.

If there ever was any problem with Naruto franchise, be it anime, or manga, that is how badly Kishimoto threated Sakura compared to male main characters, or rather how he threated most of female characters.


Sorry, but pragmatic considerations like keeping the anime relevant have nothing to do with the adaption being good or bad. It's objectively bad since it constantly disturbs the flow of the story with random, repetitive fillers that kill any immersion. If you prefer having a story be told with constant disruptions and 6 months of having nothing remotely relevant happen and just showing the same shitty childhood fillers, then yes, the anime would be better than the manga. But I'd just call that having very questionable preferences.
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Depend on what you mean by follow it faithfully.

A perfect adaptation requires you to not just adapt it, but you have to add in the missing gap between each pages of manga and put in your own flavor and style.

If the adaptation only follows the manga frame by frame it'd be a shitty anime with minimal animation.

Kimetsu no Yaiba is what I call "manga adaptation's dream" because it transcend the original source into something more, not just a 100% copy paste adaptation. (If they do a 100% faithful adaptation, the battle would be literal shit and the characters will look much worse too)
 
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> Great anime adaption
> Naruto

Pick one.
 
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It's really simple. The original source should be followed without adding any major changes in the story even though the method of storytelling is different. It is advisable to make an adaptation of an already completed work or at least an arc instead of adding fillers. The art style depends on the time of adaptation and should suit the audiences' preference instead of copying the manga's art style ( e.g. Dororo). Another thing that has to be kept in mind is the pacing. It's in the pace of the story that most adaptations fail. Normally, its popular these days to make seasonal anime in 12 or 24 episodes instead of adaptating the whole thing at a time.
 
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following a manga faithfully does wonders,
but something extra isn't bad as long as the entire plot isn't fucked.
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Pullman said:

Sorry, but pragmatic considerations like keeping the anime relevant have nothing to do with the adaption being good or bad. It's objectively bad since it constantly disturbs the flow of the story with random, repetitive fillers that kill any immersion. If you prefer having a story be told with constant disruptions and 6 months of having nothing remotely relevant happen and just showing the same shitty childhood fillers, then yes, the anime would be better than the manga. But I'd just call that having very questionable preferences.
Who knows, maybe it is just that I didn't thought of canon-only material as godsend compared to fillers, even if it is one of my favorite manga ever.

As far as I am concerned, for Naruto, fillers were improvement.

But then again, it could be just that deep down I just hate everyone who worship canon stuff in general, and just want to disagree with them no matter what...
 
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ugh, no
please consider the strengths of the medium you're working in
not like i dislike fmab but shot compositions that work in manga do not always translate to anime and lots of "moving manga" adaptations like fmab can look very bland at times (or most of the time in worse examples)
 
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Psajdak said:
Pullman said:

Sorry, but pragmatic considerations like keeping the anime relevant have nothing to do with the adaption being good or bad. It's objectively bad since it constantly disturbs the flow of the story with random, repetitive fillers that kill any immersion. If you prefer having a story be told with constant disruptions and 6 months of having nothing remotely relevant happen and just showing the same shitty childhood fillers, then yes, the anime would be better than the manga. But I'd just call that having very questionable preferences.
Who knows, maybe it is just that I didn't thought of canon-only material as godsend compared to fillers, even if it is one of my favorite manga ever.

As far as I am concerned, for Naruto, fillers were improvement.

But then again, it could be just that deep down I just hate everyone who worship canon stuff in general, and just want to disagree with them no matter what...

So then even if you personally consider Naruto to be a great adaptation you would say it's not for the reason the OP stated. Because the basis for this thread was that an adaptation is great because a vast majority ("80-100%") of the adaptation follows the source material. Which Naruto doesn't since about 40% of it is filler and it's just a bad example for this thread.
 
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So then even if you personally consider Naruto to be a great adaptation you would say it's not for the reason the OP stated. Because the basis for this thread was that an adaptation is great because a vast majority ("80-100%") of the adaptation follows the source material. Which Naruto doesn't since about 40% of it is filler and it's just a bad example for this thread.
No, for me bad adaptations are titles like Saint Seiya, or Detective Conan.

While great anime on their own, and filled with seiyu whom I consider sacred (the ones from pre-2000s) they deviated so much from source material, so many things were changed that you can barely call them adaptation at all.

 
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GamerDLM said:
So then even if you personally consider Naruto to be a great adaptation you would say it's not for the reason the OP stated. Because the basis for this thread was that an adaptation is great because a vast majority ("80-100%") of the adaptation follows the source material. Which Naruto doesn't since about 40% of it is filler and it's just a bad example for this thread.
No, for me bad adaptations are titles like Saint Seiya, or Detective Conan.

While great anime on their own, and filled with seiyu whom I consider sacred (the ones from pre-2000s) they deviated so much from source material, so many things were changed that you can barely call them adaptation at all.


Except using Conan as a reference it has roughly the same percentage of fillers as Naruto except Conan is so episodic that it's not really distinguishable what's not canon unless you read the source material. Where Naruto fillers are often sloppy and notably deviate from the main story to a point it's easy to tell without reading the manga. Which I would say makes for a bad adaptation because it actively pulls you out of the story.
 
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I’d rather it be a 1:1 adaptation of the source material...Now, if it can add to what it’s adapting, and these additions help in the process of making it much better, then sure, I don’t mind it changing some details.
 
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Goblin Slayer lacked those necessary changes and ended up as... well you all know.
 
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Well after some consideration i decided to change my opinion on this matter.

A great anime is not one that closely follows its source of adaptation, but a great anime is one that is adapted from a great manga by 80-100% of its content and created by great staffs after a great amount of time using great art and animation techniques.

Frankly speaking, a GREAT anime doesn't exist. It depends on the perspective.
 
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Honestly, I think it's rare for a purely faithful adaptation to be great, after all, why not just read the source material if it's the same? plus, getting an adaptation gives you the chance to edit out the bad parts of the source material and just focus on the good parts.
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landoflobsters said:
Honestly, I think it's rare for a purely faithful adaptation to be great, after all, why not just read the source material if it's the same? plus, getting an adaptation gives you the chance to edit out the bad parts of the source material and just focus on the good parts.


well, reading the source material is not watching an anime so...

also, the editing part is the problem. it is rare enough for an anime adaptation to not get its important part to be cut out. Although the problem in adapting is to compile some tens and hundreds of chapters in 24 minutes episodic series which needs to be released periodically. they also need to deal with publishing stuff while even turning the static pictures into a moving one is hard enough. All in all it just like i said: great anime doesn't exist it might exist by chance but not by will.
 
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Pullman said:
Are you saying Naruto is a great adaption? A million bad filler episodes ruining the immersion and pacing might have something to say about that.


ye well not counting the fillers I think Naruto is an very good adaptation tho.
 
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No, thank you very much. If I wanted to bore myself I would just go and read the manga.


On a more serious note, I don't care for changes. In fact, some of the manga adaptations I like a lot apparently changed quite a bit. I don't think it's a bad thing at all.
What I do however think should be done (and at the very same time, have no hope for) is more complete adaptations. In fact, I wouldn't mind if unfinished stuff never got adapted.
More anime-originals instead. These are the best anyway.

 
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I don't really read manga, but when I'm watching an anime and I can see the panels in my mind then the adaptation is a failure to me. So, direction and storyboarding are probably the most important things and not catering to manga plebs making necessary changes is probably up there too.
 
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No, thank you very much. If I wanted to bore myself I would just go and read the manga.


On a more serious note, I don't care for changes. In fact, some of the manga adaptations I like a lot apparently changed quite a bit. I don't think it's a bad thing at all.
What I do however think should be done (and at the very same time, have no hope for) is more complete adaptations. In fact, I wouldn't mind if unfinished stuff never got adapted.
More anime-originals instead. These are the best anyway.


ahh, I really feel u there. There r many unfinished manga/LN that got adapted to anime and while some of them got their own original ending, which could either be bad or good, most of them r either left unfinished or cliffhanged
 
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Alright, first of all, I think accuracy from the source material is a crucial part. It can make or break the series as a whole. Then we have the pacing which determines the likeliness that the would-be viewers would return for more or drop the upcoming episodes. This is very important for the first episode. And then the voice acting and animation which is like the icing on a cake while fan service is the cherry on top. Hope this reply makes sense.

 
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