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Jun 2, 9:18 AM
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Tsarko said:
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I mean, I think Eren being eaten by a titan in season one with a couple limbs gone and suddenly being a titan shifter would be considered a bit worse plot armor than this, but whatevs.


That has at least an in-universe explanation with Eren already being titan shifter at that time. Armin surviving 50+ meter fall while covered in fourth-degree burns can't be explained.

Even as a manga reader i can agree Armin barely breathing after steam makes no sense and can be consider as asspull but still good episode regardless and it's not like every shows we watch and love don't have these kinda moments, they can criticize this episode though but hope anime only people don't overreact. and the most awaited thing will finally get animated next week which I'm looking forward to see in anime. Now that some of the plot holes are done we can focus on actual story.
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Frostbytes said:
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I mean, I think Eren being eaten by a titan in season one with a couple limbs gone and suddenly being a titan shifter would be considered a bit worse plot armor than this, but whatevs.


I mean yeah SnK has quite a few dumb plotlines anyway(some Reiner plot armours for example) so it's hard to say which is worse. Personally this was worse for me because how much drama was created when it shouldn't have existed anyway(but plot armour saves the day as usual).


Reiner is pretty much a meme with the plot armor in the manga commute at this point and you now see why we nickname him Suffer-kun
 
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Best comedy episode, Snk always delivers with its stupid plot armours.

>Armin gets lethal burns on his entire body and falls from such a high wall, an absolutely fatal position
>"Oh but look, since he is one of the main characters, he is still barely alive and breathing!!! So get the serum!"

And hence follows the subsequent drama. Hilarious episode, even more funny that Reiner's plot armour from few episodes ago.


Surviving from a huge wall is a bit outstretch, but Armin didn't inhale anything when he was getting burned. His organs weren't burned completely. Normally it takes a few minutes until the brain shutdowns.



Yeah I am quite sure enough minutes have passed as they were engrossed in the stupid drama after Armin getting fourth degree burns all over the body and falling from a high wall.

I can at agree Reiner part isn't that dumb because at least there can be created a sort of logical explanation based just on shifter abilities, however far fetched that might be or lacks proper foreshadowing.
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Another great episode. Well, the "truth" is coming and let's see everyone's reaction.

 
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Frostbytes said:
Weebover9000 said:


I mean, I think Eren being eaten by a titan in season one with a couple limbs gone and suddenly being a titan shifter would be considered a bit worse plot armor than this, but whatevs.


I mean yeah SnK has quite a few dumb plotlines anyway(some Reiner plot armours for example) so it's hard to say which is worse. Personally this was worse for me because how much drama was created when it shouldn't have existed anyway(but plot armour saves the day as usual).


Those plot armor/fake outs is my main gripe in this arc when I was reading the manga, when Armin supposedly died in the manga, I and many also thought he was dead. Seeing anime only praising the series last episode knowing what was to come next episode, apart of me really wish Armin would've stayed dead because it would have really hit home that anyone can die in the series.

Thankfully all this drama was done in one episode, but really it depends on how anime only will view this, on the other hand Armin survive, but for the cost of that Erwin and Bertholdt is dead and the ending scene was beautiful.

This is why I said this episode and the next one will make or break this season. So I'm patiently waiting for anime only reaction to this episode.

 
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Frostbytes said:
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What part of this is able to be seen as a comedy? You must have really dark humor.
>Subsequent Drama
I mean, one of this animes tags is Drama, and considering the nature of this series, something like this episode isnt out of the realm of possibility for it.


Comedy because of its absolutely supid logic of Armin breathing in that fatal position, as I pointed out. Just can't take the series seriously with moments like this.

Then stop watching anime because anime has no logic at all. XD
 
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Ethicalll said:
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Yeah I am quite sure enough minutes have passed as they were engrossed in the stupid drama after Armin getting fourth degree burns all over the body and falling from a high wall.

I can at least agree Reiner part isn't that dumb because at least there can be created a sort of logical explanation based just on shifter abilities, however far fetched that might be or lacks proper foreshadowing.
You already read the manga, what did you expect? Complaining about the episode like an anime-only..


I didn't participate in the manga discussion when the chapter was released, and it has been quite a while for that anyway. This is a discussion forum for all so I don't see how that's relevant here, whether anyone is complaining or praising like "anime only" lol.
 
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Frostbytes said:
Best comedy episode, Snk always delivers with its stupid plot armours.

>Armin gets lethal burns on his entire body and falls from such a high wall, an absolutely fatal position
>"Oh but look, since he is one of the main characters, he is still barely alive and breathing!!! So get the serum!"

And hence follows the subsequent drama. Hilarious episode, even more funny that Reiner's plot armour from few episodes ago.


lmao
Anime:
4th Degree Burns and fall from 50 Metre
--> not logical survival

Real Life:
Plane Crash from 31000-38000 feet (just for reference this is more than 50 metres lmao) engine fire burns the entire plane in free fall
multiple survivors
--> totally logical
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Cycli said:

Then stop watching anime because anime has no logic at all. XD

True words. I would say wrong hobby.
 
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I like how everybody is like "PLOT ARMOR ALERT" lol. What do you expect? Did you want some other random jackass instead of Armin or Erwin to be a candidate for the injection? It would've been a no brainer to choose Armin or Erwin at that point. Erwin and Armin being the two candidates made perfect sense plot wise.

The reason Levi chose Armin was because Erwin had no dreams past the basement. While Armin did, Levi realised that Armin could lead humanity in the future cause he has dreams far beyond the walls. What did you expect lmao?
 
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Amazing episode. I loved how the OST only kicked in by the end.


The new OST is called "ThanksAT", seriously Sawano with them weird ass names!!
This episode was dope, the VA's killed it, although i can smell the anime onlies saying that nothing happened and it was boring...I wouldn't blame them!!

Next episode: BASEMENT TIME, FINALLY!!


I would blame them lol. A lot has happened.
 
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Cycli said:
Frostbytes said:


Comedy because of its absolutely supid logic of Armin breathing in that fatal position, as I pointed out. Just can't take the series seriously with moments like this.

Then stop watching anime because anime has no logic at all. XD


Alright, I will stop watching anime because it's SnK.

Nim0174 said:
Frostbytes said:
Best comedy episode, Snk always delivers with its stupid plot armours.

>Armin gets lethal burns on his entire body and falls from such a high wall, an absolutely fatal position
>"Oh but look, since he is one of the main characters, he is still barely alive and breathing!!! So get the serum!"

And hence follows the subsequent drama. Hilarious episode, even more funny that Reiner's plot armour from few episodes ago.


lmao
Anime:
4th Degree Burns and fall from 50 Metre
--> not logical survival

Real Life:
Plane Crash from 31000-38000 feet (just for reference this is more than 50 metres lmao) engine fire burns the entire plane in free fall
multiple survivors
--> totally logical



Prime ad hominem there, at least some of the fans above tried to discuss it.
>using plane crash logic to defend SnK when planes actually have backup emergency facilities for such situations just to have a small chance of survival

Now I have seen everything.
 
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Am I the only one who thinks Bertolt should live and Reiner should die? Now Bertolt will never see Annie again. :(
 
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I still didnt watch the episode, but having read the manga i was really nervous to see people's reaction this week.
I already knew there would be shit like "how did armin survive the fall/being burnt" or "erwin should have had the serum instead" and having to go through it all again is gonna make me have a headache i swear

Erwin's dream/goal in joining the scouts wasnt to save humanity, it was to prove his father's theory to be correct, but armin has a dream beyond that. Even if i personally like Erwin better, it makes sense why Levi didnt chose him at the end.
He gave up on his life with all the other scouts in the suicide charge, he had made up his mind, and making him into a titan would make Levi go against Erwin's last decision.
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Frostbytes said:
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Surviving from a huge wall is a bit outstretch, but Armin didn't inhale anything when he was getting burned. His organs weren't burned completely. Normally it takes a few minutes until the brain shutdowns.



Yeah I am quite sure enough minutes have passed as they were engrossed in the stupid drama after Armin getting fourth degree burns all over the body and falling from a high wall.

I can at agree Reiner part isn't that dumb because at least there can be created a sort of logical explanation based just on shifter abilities, however far fetched that might be or lacks proper foreshadowing.


Maybe because time works in a funny way in most anime. I don't think it should be taken seriously lol

If think about it, Ymir's flashback was a great foreshadowing on this part. Since titans are hot, your body starts to disintegrate in them leaving some of your bones which makes the weak point. If you get to eat a shifter say 60 yrs (like ymir) after you turned into a dumb titan your body is most certainly is in the same way. So your titan body has to literally regenerate your whole body and mind (including consciousness) at the nape to make you whole again and be reborn as shifter. Including ymir's flashback in season 2 was perhaps a good idea.
 
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ABDoesThings said:
I like how everybody is like "PLOT ARMOR ALERT" lol. What do you expect? Did you want some other random jackass instead of Armin or Erwin to be a candidate for the injection? It would've been a no brainer to choose Armin or Erwin at that point. Erwin and Armin being the two candidates made perfect sense plot wise.

The reason Levi chose Armin was because Erwin had no dreams past the basement. While Armin did, Levi realised that Armin could lead humanity in the future cause he has dreams far beyond the walls. What did you expect lmao?


No, the previous episode was epic, and gave an incredible send off to armin, yet all it was was a cheap fakeout where the next ep he just coughs that he's alive despite supposedly being beyond dead. Erwin being alive (but dying) is believable(nobody would instantly die from being hit where erwin was dead, they'd bleed a lot and die quickly but thats it) and should have been the logical choice.
 
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Frostbytes said:
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Surviving from a huge wall is a bit outstretch, but Armin didn't inhale anything when he was getting burned. His organs weren't burned completely. Normally it takes a few minutes until the brain shutdowns.



Yeah I am quite sure enough minutes have passed as they were engrossed in the stupid drama after Armin getting fourth degree burns all over the body and falling from a high wall.

I can at agree Reiner part isn't that dumb because at least there can be created a sort of logical explanation based just on shifter abilities, however far fetched that might be or lacks proper foreshadowing.


You dumbass, armin survived because his anchors reduced the impact of the fall. They were still connected to the colossal titan.
 
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Manga reader here

Where did the episode end?
 
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Frostbytes said:
Cycli said:

Then stop watching anime because anime has no logic at all. XD


Alright, I will stop watching anime because it's SnK.

Nim0174 said:


lmao
Anime:
4th Degree Burns and fall from 50 Metre
--> not logical survival

Real Life:
Plane Crash from 31000-38000 feet (just for reference this is more than 50 metres lmao) engine fire burns the entire plane in free fall
multiple survivors
--> totally logical



Prime ad hominem there, at least some of the fans above tried to discuss it.
>using plane crash logic to defend SnK when planes actually have backup emergency facilities for such situations just to have a small chance of survival

Now I have seen everything.



just a few i remember there are a lot more,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Alkemade 18000 feet free fall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davide_Capello 100 feet fall (WALKS AWAY UNSCATHED)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Chisov 23000 free fall survivor (jumped out of plane at this height)


-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87
holds guinness world record for free fall surviving 33330 feet (10160 metre)
". She suffered a fractured skull, three broken vertebrae, two broken legs, broken ribs and a fractured pelvis. She made an almost complete recovery but continued to walk with a limp "


man dude, i don't attempt to discuss this with you because u talk nonsense about how its illogical when its really fucking not

stop saying everything is illogical when its not, its stupid whiny and you aren't 5 years old
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Hekselka said:
Manga reader here

Where did the episode end?

at the end of the Chapter 84
 
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Nim0174 said:
Frostbytes said:
Best comedy episode, Snk always delivers with its stupid plot armours.

>Armin gets lethal burns on his entire body and falls from such a high wall, an absolutely fatal position
>"Oh but look, since he is one of the main characters, he is still barely alive and breathing!!! So get the serum!"

And hence follows the subsequent drama. Hilarious episode, even more funny that Reiner's plot armour from few episodes ago.


lmao
Anime:
4th Degree Burns and fall from 50 Metre
--> not logical survival

Real Life:
Plane Crash from 31000-38000 feet (just for reference this is more than 50 metres lmao) engine fire burns the entire plane in free fall
multiple survivors
--> totally logical


>reasonable criticism is made
>deny all negative criticism with irrational reasoning that fits your point of view

Typical low-iq SnK fan response
 
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Frostbytes said:
Best comedy episode, Snk always delivers with its stupid plot armours.

>Armin gets lethal burns on his entire body and falls from such a high wall, an absolutely fatal position
>"Oh but look, since he is one of the main characters, he is still barely alive and breathing!!! So get the serum!"

And hence follows the subsequent drama. Hilarious episode, even more funny that Reiner's plot armour from few episodes ago.


I think most of us agree that armin surviving made no sense,but you comment was over the top,trying to find any flaw in AOT because you hate how everyone praise it,there isn't a show in this world that has no flaws and AOT is no different.
 
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Frostbytes said:
Cycli said:

Then stop watching anime because anime has no logic at all. XD


Alright, I will stop watching anime because it's SnK.

Nim0174 said:


lmao
Anime:
4th Degree Burns and fall from 50 Metre
--> not logical survival

Real Life:
Plane Crash from 31000-38000 feet (just for reference this is more than 50 metres lmao) engine fire burns the entire plane in free fall
multiple survivors
--> totally logical



Prime ad hominem there, at least some of the fans above tried to discuss it.
>using plane crash logic to defend SnK when planes actually have backup emergency facilities for such situations just to have a small chance of survival

Now I have seen everything.


There is no ad hominem used anywhere in their reply. It's a fleshed out logical point that's fair. Armin was going to die 100%, I don't know why you're acting like all that happened only for him to just get up and be fine on his own. The whole POINT of the serum is plot armor lol, Levi even uses word choices like "bring them back to life" in reference to it etc. Your complaint should be at the existence of the serum if anything, but then in that case you'd be discounting the entire plot. So really you have no valid point anywhere in this thread

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So next week we get the answers
Can’t wait to see everyone’s reaction to the big reveal
 
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Blarey said:
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lmao
Anime:
4th Degree Burns and fall from 50 Metre
--> not logical survival

Real Life:
Plane Crash from 31000-38000 feet (just for reference this is more than 50 metres lmao) engine fire burns the entire plane in free fall
multiple survivors
--> totally logical


>reasonable criticism is made
>deny all negative criticism with irrational reasoning that fits your point of view

Typical low-iq SnK fan response


he didn't make any reasonable criticism
armin would have died without the serum

how is my reasoning irrational?
people have survived a lot worse than what Armin Experience and i credited it see this post


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Nim0174 said:
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Alright, I will stop watching anime because it's SnK.




Prime ad hominem there, at least some of the fans above tried to discuss it.
>using plane crash logic to defend SnK when planes actually have backup emergency facilities for such situations just to have a small chance of survival

Now I have seen everything.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Alkemade 18000 feet free fall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davide_Capello 100 feet fall (UNSCATHED)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Chisov 23000 free fall survivor (jumped out of plane at this height)


-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87
holds guinness world record for free fall surviving 33330 feet (10160 metre)
". She suffered a fractured skull, three broken vertebrae, two broken legs, broken ribs and a fractured pelvis. She made an almost complete recovery but continued to walk with a limp "


man dude, i don't attempt to discuss this with you because u talk nonsense about how its logical when its really fucking not


just from your first example, didn't even bother with the others(the argument is flawed anyway by comparing with exceptions like Guinness world record holders)

>His fall was broken by pine trees and a soft snow cover on the ground.

But yeah this is totally comparable to Armin's situation where he was burned to a crisp first(none of those examples are comparable to this situation here). Okay, please stop quoting me if you don't have any logical arguments from the series itself, thanks.

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Yeah I am quite sure enough minutes have passed as they were engrossed in the stupid drama after Armin getting fourth degree burns all over the body and falling from a high wall.

I can at agree Reiner part isn't that dumb because at least there can be created a sort of logical explanation based just on shifter abilities, however far fetched that might be or lacks proper foreshadowing.




If think about it, Ymir's flashback was a great foreshadowing on this part. Since titans are hot, your body starts to disintegrate in them leaving some of your bones which makes the weak point. If you get to eat a shifter say 60 yrs (like ymir) after you turned into a dumb titan your body is most certainly is in the same way. So your titan body has to literally regenerate your whole body and mind (including consciousness) at the nape to make you whole again and be reborn as shifter. Including ymir's flashback in season 2 was perhaps a good idea.


Yeah I have seen Ymir's flashback as a slight clue to that, not totally convincing but still much better than this.
 
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@Frostbytes
lmao
takes 1 person out of the links i happened to find within 10 seconds of googling,provides a valid counter argument
by all means its valid you are right in that case

disregards millions of other cases where this argument doesn't work

"the argument is flawed anyway by comparing with exceptions like Guinness world record holders"
its really not flawed, what makes you think Armin can't be an Exception?
Exceptions are there to prove that its possible
if something is possible its not an illogical event that can happen

ignoring millions of valid example because one example is invalid is illogical in itself
stop crying like a five year old over something that is clearly possible
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Eniie said:
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I like how everybody is like "PLOT ARMOR ALERT" lol. What do you expect? Did you want some other random jackass instead of Armin or Erwin to be a candidate for the injection? It would've been a no brainer to choose Armin or Erwin at that point. Erwin and Armin being the two candidates made perfect sense plot wise.

The reason Levi chose Armin was because Erwin had no dreams past the basement. While Armin did, Levi realised that Armin could lead humanity in the future cause he has dreams far beyond the walls. What did you expect lmao?


No, the previous episode was epic, and gave an incredible send off to armin, yet all it was was a cheap fakeout where the next ep he just coughs that he's alive despite supposedly being beyond dead. Erwin being alive (but dying) is believable(nobody would instantly die from being hit where erwin was dead, they'd bleed a lot and die quickly but thats it) and should have been the logical choice.
Okay why don't you create your own Attack on Titan and write it your way? It's not your work so complaining about some guy mysteriously surviving fourth degree burns for a few minutes is kinda pointless. At that point, you could call Reiner "The Armored Titan". That guy's survived death so many times lol. His luck is insane, yet he doesn't want to live lol.
 
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@Frostbytes
lmao
takes 1 person out of the links i happened to find finds a valid counter argument
by all means its valid you are right in that case

disregards millions of other cases where this argument doesn't work

"the argument is flawed anyway by comparing with exceptions like Guinness world record holders"
its really not flawed, what makes you think Armin can't be an Exception?
Exceptions are there to prove that its possible
if something is possible its not an illogical event that can happen

ignoring millions of valid example because one example is invalid is illogical in itself
stop crying like a five year old over something that is clearly possible

wow now armin surviving make sense.
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@amine60__SBD not sure if you are being sarcastic here

he had the titan serum
of course it makes sense. its a fantasy world.

and people crying over him not instantly dying a laughable 50 metre fall and 4th-5th degree or even six degree burns is hilarious

sure people die like that, he would have died as well if not for the serum

but crying over something like that is hilarious when you consider what kind of things people in real life have survived


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@Frostbytes
lmao
takes 1 person out of the links i happened to find finds a valid counter argument
by all means its valid you are right in that case

disregards millions of other cases where this argument doesn't work

"the argument is flawed anyway by comparing with exceptions like Guinness world record holders"
its really not flawed, what makes you think Armin can't be an Exception?
Exceptions are there to prove that its possible
if something is possible its not an illogical event that can happen

ignoring millions of valid example because one example is valid is illogical in itself
stop crying like a five year old over something that is clearly possible


>its really not flawed, what makes you think Armin can't be an Exception?

I am tired with this, but read about logical fallacies, maybe you will understand. Here is a good page about it, because many people are unaware about it here https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule

 
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Blarey said:
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lmao
Anime:
4th Degree Burns and fall from 50 Metre
--> not logical survival

Real Life:
Plane Crash from 31000-38000 feet (just for reference this is more than 50 metres lmao) engine fire burns the entire plane in free fall
multiple survivors
--> totally logical


>reasonable criticism is made
>deny all negative criticism with irrational reasoning that fits your point of view

Typical low-iq SnK fan response


I mean yeah hes always immature when someone is slightly negative to SNK here, I at least agreed it was plot armor and discussed other plot armor moments that could be considered worse than this scene in AOT, but that doesnt stop me from enjoying the series.
 
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Frostbytes said:
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@Frostbytes
lmao
takes 1 person out of the links i happened to find finds a valid counter argument
by all means its valid you are right in that case

disregards millions of other cases where this argument doesn't work

"the argument is flawed anyway by comparing with exceptions like Guinness world record holders"
its really not flawed, what makes you think Armin can't be an Exception?
Exceptions are there to prove that its possible
if something is possible its not an illogical event that can happen

ignoring millions of valid example because one example is valid is illogical in itself
stop crying like a five year old over something that is clearly possible


>its really not flawed, what makes you think Armin can't be an Exception?

I am tired with this, but read about logical fallacies, maybe you will understand. Here is a good page about it, because many people are unaware about it here https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule



that page itself is logical fallacy
if an exception occurs it means it occured and is thefore present in reality, in either past present or future it happened once and therefore that occurence itself is logical
if you apply this to a fictional world that itself makes it logical

@Weebover9000 well yeah if you don't make valid criticism i will call you out, by all mean its plot armor im not denying that, but there is a difference in illogicality and plot armor
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@amine60__SBD not sure if you are being sarcastic here


lol no,I'm not,I didn't expect people can survive free falling from such a high distance,now I'm not bothered with armin surviving,
-the fight among the survey corps for the serum was one of my favorite scene from the manga.
 
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Weebover9000 said:
Blarey said:


>reasonable criticism is made
>deny all negative criticism with irrational reasoning that fits your point of view

Typical low-iq SnK fan response


I mean yeah hes always immature when someone is slightly negative to SNK here, I at least agreed it was plot armor and discussed other plot armor moments that could be considered worse than this scene in AOT, but that doesnt stop me from enjoying the series.


True, not all SnK fans are that bad. At least there's a lot of SnK fans like you and keragamming who can acknowledge negative criticism and have a reasonable discussion about it.
 
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Nim0174 said:
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>its really not flawed, what makes you think Armin can't be an Exception?

I am tired with this, but read about logical fallacies, maybe you will understand. Here is a good page about it, because many people are unaware about it here https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule



that page itself is logical fallacy
if an exception occurs it means it occured and is thefore present in reality, in either past present or future it happened once and therefore that occurence itself is logical
if you apply this to a fictional world that itself makes it logical




>in either past present or future it happened once and therefore that occurence itself is logical

totally misinterpreted and that's not the point about fallacy but okay.

>if you apply this to a fictional world that itself makes it logical

oh alright then, the one and only golden truth, everything is logical because it's fictional. Alright then, argument is over.
 
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@Frostbytes man you are taking answers out of context and arguing to suit your needs


the point is its not illogical, people have survived worse and he had the serum
now stop crying thank you


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@amine60__SBD not sure if you are being sarcastic here


lol no,I'm not,I didn't expect people can survive free falling from such a high distance,now I'm not bothered with armin surviving,
-the fight among the survey corps for the serum was one of my favorite scene from the manga.


same here man, i especially loved Eren talking to Levi about how Armin is the one who will save the World
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The back and fourth discussion between Armin death between two manga readers is tiring. You guys have already set up the tone of how this thread is going to be, a big flame war.


 
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The back and fourth discussion between Armin death between two manga readers is tiring. You guys have already set up the tone of how this thread is going to be, a big flame war.




This is basically how it went down when the chapter came out, lol
 
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keragamming said:
The back and fourth discussion between Armin death between two manga readers is tiring. You guys have already set up the tone of how this thread is going to be, a big flame war.


lol, very true. I found Armin's survival absurd when I read the manga, but at this point, I just accepted it.
 
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@Frostbytes its not bait, its a solid fact, im not sure what your problem is, of course my grammar is poor, its my third language, so excuse me didn't know this was grammar school.
Also every argument that doesnt suit you is a logical fallacy immediately lmao
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No, the previous episode was epic, and gave an incredible send off to armin, yet all it was was a cheap fakeout where the next ep he just coughs that he's alive despite supposedly being beyond dead. Erwin being alive (but dying) is believable(nobody would instantly die from being hit where erwin was dead, they'd bleed a lot and die quickly but thats it) and should have been the logical choice.
Okay why don't you create your own Attack on Titan and write it your way? It's not your work so complaining about some guy mysteriously surviving fourth degree burns for a few minutes is kinda pointless. At that point, you could call Reiner "The Armored Titan". That guy's survived death so many times lol. His luck is insane, yet he doesn't want to live lol.


You're being ridiculous, this is one of my favourite shows, I love the writing in it and have rated all seasons so far incredible and have been loving this season so far, arguably my favourite arc. I can critique it if I have something I am not a fan of. And yes, reiner having consciousness transfer is ridiculous and blatant plot armor but I can forgive it because we don't have enough on titans to have established expectations. But we know everything about armin and that he is a normal human
 
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I don't really understand the criticism: of course it's pretty rare - yet no impossibile - for a person to survive in that situation, but I think it's just pretty normal don't die on the spot. And that's what happened: Armin was going to die ofc, he just didn't die on the spot, he was barely breathing
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I like how everybody is like "PLOT ARMOR ALERT" lol. What do you expect? Did you want some other random jackass instead of Armin or Erwin to be a candidate for the injection? It would've been a no brainer to choose Armin or Erwin at that point. Erwin and Armin being the two candidates made perfect sense plot wise.


Sacrificing logic in the sake of the plot is weak writing and storytelling. This was also the problem of Game of Thrones in Season 8. And no, don't defend the indefensible. There is no way for Armin to survive that. There is no human who could survive burning alive and falling to the ground from 50 meters or more!
This is plot armor, nothing more, nothing less.


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The reason Levi chose Armin was because Erwin had no dreams past the basement.


No. The reason Levi chose Armin was that Isayama wasn't brave enough to kill of a main character. Another reason is that Isayama wanted to remove Erwin from the story, because he couldn't handle the character after the basement reveal. Erwin's whole character was built up for the basement reveal.
 
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Also every argument that doesnt suit you is a logical fallacy immediately lmao


There is only logical fallacy here, "exceptions doesn't prove the rule"(and they aren't even comparable examples anyway, different situations for each of them) and it's a common one used in every arguments about books, movies etc. I know some people don't know about it properly, but that's how it is, sadly.

Poor grammar is related because I can't understand many of the arguments because of poor sentence structure, but that's besides the topic and I see your reasoning for that. Anyway please stop quoting me again, thanks.
 
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Frostbytes said:
Nim0174 said:

Also every argument that doesnt suit you is a logical fallacy immediately lmao


There is only logical fallacy here, "exceptions doesn't prove the rule"(and they aren't even comparable examples anyway, different situations for each of them) and it's a common one used in every arguments about books, movies etc. I know some people don't know about it properly, but that's how it is, sadly.

Poor grammar is related because I can't understand many of the arguments because of poor sentence structure, but that's besides the topic and I see your reasoning for that. Anyway please stop quoting me again, thanks.


Yes. You are right. Exceptions do not prove the rule.
But that doesn't mean that another exception can not happen under any circumstances.
Therefore it is not illogical. I apologize for my grammar.
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Can you guys please stop..
Everyone has his opinion... just stop there.. u arent getting anywhere both of u
 
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Can you guys please stop..
Everyone has his opinion... just stop there.. u arent getting anywhere both of u

Blame Frostbyste for igniting this nonsensual argument.
Mods should remove first two pages of this topic coz they contribute absolutelly nothing.
 
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mrbull3tproof said:
Blame
Akahiro said:
Can you guys please stop..
Everyone has his opinion... just stop there.. u arent getting anywhere both of u

Blame Frostbyste for igniting this nonsensual argument.
Mods should remove first two pages of this topic coz they contribute absolutelly nothing.


Its on topic to the episode, but I do agree some of Nims posts should be removed cause they get out of hand with immaturity and bringing real life events into this. However, when this chapter came out, this is exactly how reactions and debates unfolded, so I kinda expected it to happen with this episode thread of the anime
 
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Alright, I will stop watching anime because it's SnK.




Prime ad hominem there, at least some of the fans above tried to discuss it.
>using plane crash logic to defend SnK when planes actually have backup emergency facilities for such situations just to have a small chance of survival

Now I have seen everything.



just a few i remember there are a lot more,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Alkemade 18000 feet free fall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davide_Capello 100 feet fall (WALKS AWAY UNSCATHED)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Chisov 23000 free fall survivor (jumped out of plane at this height)


-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87
holds guinness world record for free fall surviving 33330 feet (10160 metre)
". She suffered a fractured skull, three broken vertebrae, two broken legs, broken ribs and a fractured pelvis. She made an almost complete recovery but continued to walk with a limp "


man dude, i don't attempt to discuss this with you because u talk nonsense about how its illogical when its really fucking not

stop saying everything is illogical when its not, its stupid whiny and you aren't 5 years old
Stop it, you're destroying him/her hahahaha
 
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