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Jun 2, 2:58 PM
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You're being ridiculous, this is one of my favourite shows, I love the writing in it and have rated all seasons so far incredible and have been loving this season so far, arguably my favourite arc. I can critique it if I have something I am not a fan of. And yes, reiner having consciousness transfer is ridiculous and blatant plot armor but I can forgive it because we don't have enough on titans to have established expectations. But we know everything about armin and that he is a normal human


The only reason you find it ridiculous is because you don't like the writing choice Isayama took, no offence. Just because you don't like a writing choice doesn't mean it's cheap. Simple as that, if you wanted Armin to die that bad of a heroic death, well ohkay? Obtaining Titan Powers has a twist to it anyways.


No, I wanted armin to survive, I never wanted him to die. But if you're going to raise the stakes and have him literally get beyond toasted and people in this show die with far less, then you have to stick to your guns instead of going for a low effort fakeout, because that's what it was, he a good execution and got scared, and backpedalled out of it.
 
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Oof, amazing episode again. I like how the entirety of the episode mainly had no background music. The voice acting was just top tier. Yuki Kaji seriously got me on the feels with his voice acting. Brilliant stuff. Next episode is the shit that a lot of manga readers have been waiting for. "That basement". Strong episode to follow the previous one. Next week's episode is going to spike a lot of debate.

Overall, amazing episode again. Armin getting the colossal Titan, can't wait to see him transform in the future. Erwin's death was sad, him reminded of his dream till the very end. Man had to give up his dream and in turn another gets to fulfill theirs. But he died like he always preached, giving up his heart for humanity.

Aftermath of the battle has really hit. Out of 208 soldiers, only nine have survived and the commander is deceased.
 
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Eniie said:
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The only reason you find it ridiculous is because you don't like the writing choice Isayama took, no offence. Just because you don't like a writing choice doesn't mean it's cheap. Simple as that, if you wanted Armin to die that bad of a heroic death, well ohkay? Obtaining Titan Powers has a twist to it anyways.


No, I wanted armin to survive, I never wanted him to die. But if you're going to raise the stakes and have him literally get beyond toasted and people in this show die with far less, then you have to stick to your guns instead of going for a low effort fakeout, because that's what it was, he a good execution and got scared, and backpedalled out of it.

But it's not like he would've been fine simply for showing signs of life like he did in this ep. The sole reason his survival works is because of the serum, which was built up for ages. We KNEW that someone was going to be brought back to life, and Armin just barely being able to hang on makes sense given what we were shown (that he was burnt completely on the outside but couldn't breathe, therefore his lungs couldn't have burned completely from the steam, plus his fall was lessened as a result of that.)

Also it's a bit dumb to call it backpedalling considering the story is STILL ongoing, and this event still holds significance later on as well as it sets up so much. This series doesn't do cop-outs, that much is clear at least with just how much payoff we're getting with literally everything in the next arc. Try not to judge the series as if this is where everything ends, there's still plenty of time to see how this plot goes, it doesn't directly go against everything because the context was already pre-set up to happen to begin with
 
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Bert "I can accept any outcome that happens"
Bert being eaten by armin "REEEEEEEINNNNNNERRRRRR!"
Pretty much, lmao. I get that the message was that Bertolt was no different from all those poor bastards who were crying when they were eaten by the Titans, but after such display of cold blood and acceptance in the previous episodes, it felt jarring as heck.


I think its common occurence for snk,that they show their true fear when dying. Like Mike or Marlowe,and i love that.
 
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Illyricus said:
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Bert "I can accept any outcome that happens"
Bert being eaten by armin "REEEEEEEINNNNNNERRRRRR!"
Pretty much, lmao. I get that the message was that Bertolt was no different from all those poor bastards who were crying when they were eaten by the Titans, but after such display of cold blood and acceptance in the previous episodes, it felt jarring as heck.


Bertholdlt isn't like Erwin who can face death head on, its as simple as that. Getting eaten alive is one of the scariest way to go and I think most will agree with me on that. At the end of the day he is human after all.

That seems like a natural reaction.
 
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keragamming said:
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Pretty much, lmao. I get that the message was that Bertolt was no different from all those poor bastards who were crying when they were eaten by the Titans, but after such display of cold blood and acceptance in the previous episodes, it felt jarring as heck.


Bertholdlt isn't like Erwin who can face death head on, its as simple as that. Getting eaten alive is one of the scariest way to go and I think most will agree with me on that.


We were just talking about how 180 it was for his development in the episode he transformed in, no one was comparing him to Erwin, but rather his development and then having that reaction after saying words like he can accept ANY outcome.
 
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Weebover9000 said:

Bert "I can accept any outcome that happens"
Bert being eaten by armin "REEEEEEEINNNNNNERRRRRR!"

I think he realized that he will never see Reiner, Annie and his home again. His death was cruel. >__<
 
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The only reason you find it ridiculous is because you don't like the writing choice Isayama took, no offence. Just because you don't like a writing choice doesn't mean it's cheap. Simple as that, if you wanted Armin to die that bad of a heroic death, well ohkay? Obtaining Titan Powers has a twist to it anyways.


No, I wanted armin to survive, I never wanted him to die. But if you're going to raise the stakes and have him literally get beyond toasted and people in this show die with far less, then you have to stick to your guns instead of going for a low effort fakeout, because that's what it was, he a good execution and got scared, and backpedalled out of it.


Pretty sure is not the case that he "got scared and backpedalled" more so than he already planned to give Armin the serum from the start.

It's not like he thought of the possibility minutes later, those kinds of things are planned.
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Weebover9000 said:
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Bertholdlt isn't like Erwin who can face death head on, its as simple as that. Getting eaten alive is one of the scariest way to go and I think most will agree with me on that.


We were just talking about how 180 it was for his development in the episode he transformed in, no one was comparing him to Erwin, but rather his development and then having that reaction after saying words like he can accept ANY outcome.

But it's clear that was all bluster. Even Armin and Mikasa pointed out after Bert told the two they had to die just because that it didn't sound at all like Bertholdt. He didn't become emotionally stronger, he relied far more on the idea that he didn't need to justify his actions because of the cruellness of the world as a coping mechanism to be able to do his mission. When all that failed and he was left with the grim reality of his failure of course his coping mechanism wouldn't work, that's why he died the way he always was, a scared kid until the end.
 
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Modernoir said:
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We were just talking about how 180 it was for his development in the episode he transformed in, no one was comparing him to Erwin, but rather his development and then having that reaction after saying words like he can accept ANY outcome.

But it's clear that was all bluster. Even Armin and Mikasa pointed out after Bert told the two they had to die just because that it didn't sound at all like Bertholdt. He didn't become emotionally stronger, he relied far more on the idea that he didn't need to justify his actions because of the cruellness of the world as a coping mechanism to be able to do his mission. When all that failed and he was left with the grim reality of his failure of course his coping mechanism wouldn't work, that's why he died the way he always was, a scared kid until the end.


Either way, my quoting was intended as a joke, wasnt my intention for anyone to take it seriously.
 
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Modernoir said:
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No, I wanted armin to survive, I never wanted him to die. But if you're going to raise the stakes and have him literally get beyond toasted and people in this show die with far less, then you have to stick to your guns instead of going for a low effort fakeout, because that's what it was, he a good execution and got scared, and backpedalled out of it.

But it's not like he would've been fine simply for showing signs of life like he did in this ep. The sole reason his survival works is because of the serum, which was built up for ages. We KNEW that someone was going to be brought back to life, and Armin just barely being able to hang on makes sense given what we were shown (that he was burnt completely on the outside but couldn't breathe, therefore his lungs couldn't have burned completely from the steam, plus his fall was lessened as a result of that.)

Also it's a bit dumb to call it backpedalling considering the story is STILL ongoing, and this event still holds significance later on as well as it sets up so much. This series doesn't do cop-outs, that much is clear at least with just how much payoff we're getting with literally everything in the next arc. Try not to judge the series as if this is where everything ends, there's still plenty of time to see how this plot goes, it doesn't directly go against everything because the context was already pre-set up to happen to begin with


Nobody is judging the series based on this scene alone. Not even this episode. I thought the episode was good, I'm just disappointed that they cheapened the last episode by presenting no form of consequences or risk to their fight. Erwin is the first ever developed character to be killed in this show. It is back-pedal from the previous episode, and so far they copped out from Armin's action. whether that changes later doesn't really matter. Again, I love this series, and the episode was pretty good. I just feel like they undermined the last episode a lot.

Yes we always knew someone was going to be healed by the titan powers. the crucial and important emphasis they had is that the person has to be alive, implying and directing us that if a character was dead they wouldn't be revived, which is the cheap fakeout that was done regarding to Armin.
 
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This episode is just lit!!
i loved how they stopped music completely just because its a discussion on the roof by these comrades, there is no action, fighting, no need for an ost, just at the end, when every thing is settled, this powerful music kicks and omg!!!
i believe levi made the right choice! erwin just said it himself, he's lying over and over again, he only wants to discover the truth, and i believe to defeat the enemy, you need to be strong but human too, armin as stated in the episode was the key for every success they did, so yeah!
lastly, this is one of the best voice acting ive ever heared! thanks Wit studios and i wish the studio to take over this anime to treat it the way wit is treating it, with love and ambition!
 
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The real concern here is who are the 3 fucks who voted "Hated it"!!!!!!!
Hands down one of the top 3 episodes so far if not the top. And one of the top episodes in anime world.
 
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Bertholdlt isn't like Erwin who can face death head on, its as simple as that. Getting eaten alive is one of the scariest way to go and I think most will agree with me on that.


We were just talking about how 180 it was for his development in the episode he transformed in, no one was comparing him to Erwin, but rather his development and then having that reaction after saying words like he can accept ANY outcome.


Isn't that the point though? Saying it is a lot more easier than showing it when the moment comes, I can tell myself that I'm not scared of being eaten a live, but when it happens it is a different story.

Also something similar to this will happen again in a episode or two from now.



Its regular theme Isayama uses in the series.
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I honestly did not expect such controversy over Admin survival; for me, it made sense as to why he got to be revived (although Erwin is still my favorite =D). Also, people complaining about plot armour *cough* Supernatural *cough* Haha, just kidding, know many love that show.

I believe every show have their own flaws and own glorious moments, but it is such a bummer to see multiple people watching this anime without acknowledging both aspects. Kinda ruins the mood for everyone.
 
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Weebover9000 said:
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But it's clear that was all bluster. Even Armin and Mikasa pointed out after Bert told the two they had to die just because that it didn't sound at all like Bertholdt. He didn't become emotionally stronger, he relied far more on the idea that he didn't need to justify his actions because of the cruellness of the world as a coping mechanism to be able to do his mission. When all that failed and he was left with the grim reality of his failure of course his coping mechanism wouldn't work, that's why he died the way he always was, a scared kid until the end.


Either way, my quoting was intended as a joke, wasnt my intention for anyone to take it seriously.

Oh sorry, it's hard to tell on the internet sometimes ahah.

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But it's not like he would've been fine simply for showing signs of life like he did in this ep. The sole reason his survival works is because of the serum, which was built up for ages. We KNEW that someone was going to be brought back to life, and Armin just barely being able to hang on makes sense given what we were shown (that he was burnt completely on the outside but couldn't breathe, therefore his lungs couldn't have burned completely from the steam, plus his fall was lessened as a result of that.)

Also it's a bit dumb to call it backpedalling considering the story is STILL ongoing, and this event still holds significance later on as well as it sets up so much. This series doesn't do cop-outs, that much is clear at least with just how much payoff we're getting with literally everything in the next arc. Try not to judge the series as if this is where everything ends, there's still plenty of time to see how this plot goes, it doesn't directly go against everything because the context was already pre-set up to happen to begin with


Nobody is judging the series based on this scene alone. Not even this episode. I thought the episode was good, I'm just disappointed that they cheapened the last episode by presenting no form of consequences or risk to their fight. Erwin is the first ever developed character to be killed in this show. It is back-pedal from the previous episode, and so far they copped out from Armin's action. whether that changes later doesn't really matter. Again, I love this series, and the episode was pretty good. I just feel like they undermined the last episode a lot.

Yes we always knew someone was going to be healed by the titan powers. the crucial and important emphasis they had is that the person has to be alive, implying and directing us that if a character was dead they wouldn't be revived, which is the cheap fakeout that was done regarding to Armin.

The thing is, you're only talking like this because you're hot off the heels of the last ep and this ep. It might feel like they cheapened Armin's death by bringing him back to life in this one, but genuinely speaking as a manga reader who's seen the rammifications of these actions unfold in the manga, this twist really doesn't cheapen the impact of anything, if anything by the time this season's over you may already get a feeling of why this was actually a more tragic turn of events.

I won't tease too much and I can respect your opinion, but I implore you to go on ahead with an open mind. Isayama isn't the type of writer who just does cheap cop-outs because he's out of ideas.

And to be fair, we (well most of us) also presumed Erwin was entirely dead until this episode. It would've been a perfect way for Armin to go out, as a hero, and the denial of that for some viewers I can understand is frustrating.
 
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I honestly did not expect such controversy over Admin survival; for me, it made sense as to why he got to be revived (although Erwin is still my favorite =D). Also, people complaining about plot armour *cough* Supernatural *cough* Haha, just kidding, know many love that show.

I believe every show have their own flaws and own glorious moments, but it is such a bummer to see multiple people watching this anime without acknowledging both aspects. Kinda ruins the mood for everyone.


Sadly this is how it went down when the manga chapter of this dropped so I kinda expected it to happen in this thread too
 
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Bertholdlt isn't like Erwin who can face death head on, its as simple as that. Getting eaten alive is one of the scariest way to go and I think most will agree with me on that.


We were just talking about how 180 it was for his development in the episode he transformed in, no one was comparing him to Erwin, but rather his development and then having that reaction after saying words like he can accept ANY outcome.

But you have to consider what he said before and after. He didnt mean that because he is ready to face death. He confident that they would win. ANY outcome he meant is that even if all his friends from SC dead, he would accept that. He wouldnt break down. He wouldnt ask for forgiveness.
 
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Just like mikasa you can't give an argument. I actually like mikasa . She was in my favourite list on MAL until recently when i watched FMAB and kuroshitsuji . The problem is she is too much of an idiot. Jumping LEVI for wanting to save the leader instead of a damn brat is retarded
Also jumping the female titan basically saving her from levi is also RETARDED. She had potential but went down the drain with every single dumb move she made
Eren wasn't so obsessed and he was closer to armin than mikasa. Yes he cried but he let levi decide. Also she wasn't even able to take the injection from a levi that just defeated
the beast titan along with other 20-30 titans while she did fuck all


Eren was clearly obsessed if he grabbed Levis foot to make him stop for a moment after being bitch smacked into the ground with half his teeth knocked out from the punch and crying still, and its pretty ironic you cant give a good argument either without calling every small thing she does retarded and not elaborating on why it is, you just say "she did this and its retarded", also, did nothing? Did you even watch the cour? She stopped reiner from giving chase to Eren by slapping a thunderspear into that leg of his, she almost got bert in the nape with those thunderspears, would have too if it wasnt for his steam power, and basically hesitated until hange came out and blew open the jaw, thus letting her use her last thunder spear to send reiner out of his titan

Compared to levi she didn't do anything and also she had thunder spears unlike levi
Also eren didn't jump levi unlike mikasa . He was begging him to let armin live but wasn't agressive unlike mikasa. I call her out because no one acts this crazy in that whole anime
 
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Such an amazing episode! I'm crying
 
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Eren acted suicidal in season one, episode 5, charging head first when the titan ate Thomas causing the death of all of his squad, ignoring all of them telling him to stop. So your point on no one acting this crazy is wrong.
 
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One of the very few anime that made me cry and feel so deeply. *Sob*
Thank you!
 
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Eren acted suicidal in season one, episode 5, charging head first when the titan ate Thomas causing the death of all of his squad, ignoring all of them telling him to stop. So your point on no one acting this crazy is wrong.

I mean this episode xD
Eren still the dumbest there is
 
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Eren acted suicidal in season one, episode 5, charging head first when the titan ate Thomas causing the death of all of his squad, ignoring all of them telling him to stop. So your point on no one acting this crazy is wrong.

I mean this episode xD
Eren still the dumbest there is


" I call her out because no one acts this crazy in that whole anime" This phrasing kinda made me think you meant the entire show with "that whole anime"
 
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I mean this episode xD
Eren still the dumbest there is


" I call her out because no one acts this crazy in that whole anime" This phrasing kinda made me think you meant the entire show with "that whole anime"

I meant the whole cast i am sorry. This was my bad
 
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Maybe it wasn't quite a free fall. Berthold was releasing a lot of steam, hot air, so maybe Armin kind of floated a little until he reached the ground.
 
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Oh man we are only 2 episodes away from the biggest reveal in History of Anime!
 
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incredible episode.

they really did a good job on this one wow
 
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the debate betwen Levi and eren etc is to realistic. this anime should be no 1 in Top MAL.
 
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Trash, why is this like fairy tail psuedo killing off characters
 
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Hope folks can see and understand, that this is the actual SnK, not those flashy titan fights, huge war moment, but these tiny pieces of intense drama and emotion and the characters. I keep on saying this, but this show is not about action, its a psychological mystery drama!
And people blabbing on Mikasa jumping Levi, u all win soon know, and then you will realize that Isayama is a genius storyteller and king of foreshadowing. Every tiny detail matters in SnK and has some relation to the overarching plot.
 
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Most emotional AoT episode so far, almost brought me to tears.

Erwin was an amazing guy and he will be deeply missed, but great that we got to keep Armin.
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Of course the plot armor titan escapes AGAIN lol
 
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The piano by Sawano at the end.

Bertolt crying for help.

The entire episode, or almost, with no soundtrack at all.

Almost cried, but how I wish I didn't read the manga before this. The basement awaits.
 
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I really respect erwin
He was Never selfish
Levi on the other hand had to do the right thing.
Plot Armour being so perfect
 
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Ameen_Aftab said:
Hope folks can see and understand, that this is the actual SnK, not those flashy titan fights, huge war moment, but these tiny pieces of intense drama and emotion and the characters. I keep on saying this, but this show is not about action, its a psychological mystery drama!
And people blabbing on Mikasa jumping Levi, u all win soon know, and then you will realize that Isayama is a genius storyteller and king of foreshadowing. Every tiny detail matters in SnK and has some relation to the overarching plot.


its actually amazing how its a point of criticism of Mikasa's Character until we get


Its such a seemingly unimportant Detail but it will have an insane Impact when we get there in S4.

just Hope Season 4 will come eventually, i want to see that with Voice Acting ;O
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Excellent episode!

It does not bother me that there is nearly no OST (and the opening in passing), as long as the tension has not yet fallen. Special mention to the Seiyū who is AMAZING!!

Even if I do not like Bertolt too much, seeing the very first opponent of the anime being devour by Armin is malaisant but sad at the same time. :/

RIP Erwin. It's really sad that he died when he almost realized his dream.
 
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holy shit this was amazing, fantastic direction and excellent voice work.
 
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Are people really upset that Armin was still barely breathing? Anyway great episode!! Anyone seen those terrible subs with Titan Titan? (Beast Titan)
 
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Best comedy episode, Snk always delivers with its stupid plot armours.

>Armin gets lethal burns on his entire body and falls from such a high wall, an absolutely fatal position
>"Oh but look, since he is one of the main characters, he is still barely alive and breathing!!! So get the serum!"

And hence follows the subsequent drama. Hilarious episode, even more funny that Reiner's plot armour from few episodes ago.


Damn im late to join debate
What a way to broke the mood of this episode with this stupid argument.
Why i said this stupid argument?
Because your trying to using logic on anime.
The whole 3DMG and levi action is such a bullshit when you think with logic how the f*ck he doesn't broke his fucking bone with that kinda speed and maneuver.

Every anime look stupid if you tried to use too much logic on them.
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Of course the plot armor titan escapes AGAIN lol
IKR That cart Titan just randomly shows up and snatches them up. Annoying!
 
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This episode, like the one we watched last week, deserved another 5/5 or even 6/5.

An episode full of intense discussions, with a permanent tension above everyone's head. Armin being saved - somehow - by Erwin's last "order" was very strong ! The major himself dedicated his whole life for a single goal but decides to give it up at the price of someone else's life... he can now rest in peace.

 
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Holy shit this episode was good, had me in tears.
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I hated S2 & S3 part 1 of AoT
But goddamn, episodes like this make me realise this season has stepped the quality back up.
 
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I really respect erwin
He was Never selfish
Levi on the other hand had to do the right thing.
Plot Armour being so perfect

Nah... erwin is the most selfish character in shingeki
Everything he sacrificed was actually just for HIM to see REACH HIS FATHER DREAM.. point to the line
Sums erwin life for ya
 
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Bertolt's death screams were super satisfying... Well done episode...
 
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What a tragic episode...it was so hard to watch, felt heavy in my chest. Well, a situation like this has been talked about many times in animes like Naruto, but it never really happened...I guess it's hard to write it. The voice actors did justice. Amazing episode.
 
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Oh yes, the biggest asspull of snk.
This part is the manga fault, so I cant criticise the anime. The anime just follows whats in the manga.
But Armin still being alive after falling from that height is just ridiculous.
This is the unique valid point anyone can have against snk. Its really bad and I cant defend it.

Btw, I dont consider Reiner transfering is consciousness across his nervous system an asspull. All of it happened in the same chapter. Isayama was trying to show to the reader the extent of titan shifters powers. Its always been like that. In shingeki no kyojin, the reader learns something new every chapter about the titans. Theres never going to be a chapter/episode where all the information about the titans is going to be explained. Its always a little by little.
 
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Seeing Mikasa cry like that actually got to me but I was still kinda hoping the syringe would get destroyed or something just to make things more interesting. The scene foreshadowed in that trailer did not live up my expectations unfortunately but it's probably because they hyped it up more than they should have. I guess I was expecting a major fuckup on Eren's part or something for Levi to react like that rather than a verbal disagreement that they resolved anyway.
Ah well, it was still a good episode though.

"Next episode: The Basement". Fucking Christ it's finally time. There better be something real good down there after all these years of waiting otherwise I'm gonna be pissed.
 
Jun 2, 5:02 PM

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Man... the tears were flowing.

Katsura janai, Zura da





 
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