| your problem is that you're seriously listing 2pac. probably one of the most overrated artists ever, not even just in rap, when you think about what he actually did vs how much people praise him. |
 Oh maybe, maybe it's the clothes we wear The tasteless bracelets and the dye in our hair Or maybe, maybe it's our nowhere towns or our nothing places But we're trash, you and me We're the litter on the breeze We're the lovers on the streets Just trash, me and you It's in everything we do It's in everything we do |
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| Think you're just looking at the wrong rappers. Most mainstream rappers have no substance. On the topic of rap against trump [Or any left leaning rap] I'd say flobots leans pretty much that way. I may be a conservative but I can still respect good music, regardless of the message. Newer stuff Older stuff |
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| Killer Mike has pointed out that the presidents of the US all work for corporate lobbyists and the war on drugs is a money making scam Dead Prez are Revolutionary Pan-Africanists that openly advocate for overthrowing the government and abolishing capitalism. |
traed said: Second video near the end is lowkey radical black propaganda. Honestly disgusting how ignorant and twisted stuff like this can remain on youtube.Killer Mike has pointed out that the presidents of the US all work for corporate lobbyists and the war on drugs is a money making scam Dead Prez are Revolutionary Pan-Africanists that openly advocate for overthrowing the government and abolishing capitalism. |
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HopefulNihilist said: Main stream rap is full of political stuff [which is why I avoid it] but the issue is none of it has any substance besides name calling or broad ideas thrown out with no backing. [i.e cops do this and that or trump bad etc]traed said: Killer Mike has pointed out that the presidents of the US all work for corporate lobbyists and the war on drugs is a money making scam Dead Prez are Revolutionary Pan-Africanists that openly advocate for overthrowing the government and abolishing capitalism. Holy shit. Now THAT is political. I'll check out the songs later and tell you my thoughts on them. Killer Mike and Dead Prez, I've never heard of them before. @Cneq You were right: mainstream rap isn't very political. |
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Cneq said: Second video near the end is lowkey radical black propaganda. Honestly disgusting how ignorant and twisted stuff like this can remain on youtube. You would have to understand Pan Africanism to know what their views actually are. I don't actually get it though because there are so many different meanings to Pan-Africanism. I am not sure if this is an official video or just a fan made mish mash of footage because some stuff is footage from other music videos. |
| Alright since this thread is still going i'll post some; About the Vietnam war: About the coward, joke excuses of police that waited TWO HOURS to do anything during Columbine: I don't think I have to explain this: |
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Shoegum said: Edit: no rapper ever brings up the fact that African-Americans spend the most money out of all ethnic groups This is basically a key message of Wesley's Theory, though? And I see that you have Kendrick Lamar albums in your favourite rap albums so I'm quite confused right now. Dalek's Culture for Dollars is also about exactly that, so i'm also not getting this. |
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HopefulNihilist said: Kendrick Lamar, 2pac, Ice Cube, J. Cole, are praised for being socially conscious rappers with "deep" messages" Two of the rappers you mentioned were primarily famous for their west coast gangster rap flavors, so that's a moot point already. And to think the most famous artists within the genre are supposed to be representative of the overall quality of "socially conscious" rap is pretty dumb. Just here to post good "socially conscious" hip-hop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvjXRIRl8HU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SAvGUhS7l4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUK_Vcc1_pI |
| How can you call all conscious rap basic except for Joyner Lucas of all people lmao. I don't even really see your point, the rappers you mention are highly praised for sure but I never hear anyone calling their music "deep" aside for maybe Kendrick. The reason you don't hear black artists discussing more complex political topics is because generally artists write from their own personal experiences. Not many rappers you're listening to are going to have first hand experiences with crossing the border from Mexico to America. Also saying that they don't talk about problems created by the black community is just straight up wrong. Most of what you've been doing in this thread is summarizing different songs messages into a simple sentence to make it sound dumb. You can do this with literally any song. I'd like to hear what music is actually "deep" to you because damn that's gotta be some big brain 400 IQ shit right there. Your problem with conscious hip hop has nothing to do with the music, it's that you listened to the most popular artists and assumed that's the entirety of the genre. |
HopefulNihilist said: Why do rappers almost always exclusively write from their own experiences? Why don't they write like authors do, and create fictional stories based on reality to deliver more complex political messages. Plenty of rappers use fictional stories for political commentary. Some examples off the top of my head are clipping. - Splendor and Misery, Hermit and The Recluse - Orpheus vs. the Sirens, Deltron 3030 - S/T. The rappers you mention don't write like this, and that's fine. Part of what makes conscious hip hop stand out as a sub-genre is that it contains relevant political commentary, which is much harder to do while in a fictional setting, and it's much more effective when they're discussing current events. HopefulNihilist said: How many rap songs can you name that actually criticize the black community for their problems? I mean, you reference Kendrick Lamar so you've clearly listened to his albums, many of which contain songs about black-on-black violence and the struggles of growing up in a black environment, and as @Shoegum mentioned Wesley's Theory is about exactly what you criticized black artists for not discussing. How many rap songs are there that directly criticize white people? HopefulNihilist said: Then does that mean you want me to go over literally every single line in each of the songs I mentioned? What makes these songs so complex? I'm not going to try convince anyone that 2pac is the most complex, deep music ever because that's just not the point. Shit I don't even like 2pac. My point is these songs aren't trying to be deep, you've just put that expectation on them for whatever reason. Plenty of great music has some pretty basic lyrics. Most people enjoy these artists because while what they're saying might not be groundbreaking or anything, it's interesting to hear the artists' personal take on these topics. Deep ≠ Good. It's fine if you want your music to be lyrically deep, you just look like an ass when you're putting that expectation onto every rap album and generalizing the entire genre. HopefulNihilist said: You're right. So that's why my main concern is why is mainstream socially conscious rap so damn basic. A question that I haven't seen anybody here answer. It's mainstream music, you shouldn't be surprised. It's mainstream because it's accessible to the largest amount of people, which often makes artists "dumb down" their music a bit. If you don't like mainstream music, look a little harder for stuff you enjoy. |
_HohoJun 10, 2019 1:13 AM
HopefulNihilist said: Whenever I hear a mainstream rapper like Ice Cube and Denzel curry talk about, "current events" they literally just repeat what millions of people say. For example, on Sirens, Denzel spits: " screamin' "fuck it" Donald Trump, Donald Duck, what the fuck is the difference?" Tbh I kinda agree with you here, I love TA13OO but god that line on Sirens makes me cringe haha. I'm just saying that generalizing things almost always makes people look ignorant. I'd respond to your other points but I feel like we'd just be going in a circle at that point. Agree to disagree I guess. |
_HohoJun 10, 2019 1:33 AM
HopefulNihilist said: But we've been finding common ground: I've been agreeing with some of what you've said, and you've been agreeing with some of what I've said. I didn't make this thread to debate: I made it legitimately understand the purpose of socially conscious rap. Yeah fair enough, I apologize for coming off a bit hostile. I think it's fair to expect some debate with how bold some of your claims are though. We'll pick up where we left off then, HopefulNihilist said: Sure, Lamar addresses black on black violence, and the struggles of growing up in the ghetto, but again, that's all basic knowledge. Kendrick doesn't talk about these issues to be the first to talk about them or inform people that they exist. It's a massive problem in America, of course everyone knows about it, but that doesn't make it any less valid to discuss in your music. Like I said Kendrick is just offering his perspective on the issues for anyone who wants to listen. They're trying to be like any other music I guess, just trying to make something that expresses themselves or their feelings in some way. Artists that make "deep" music usually aren't actively trying to be deep, different artists just prefer different ways of expressing themselves, sometimes the message is meant to be obvious. I think we just have conflicting definitions of what deep actually means. Also: HopefulNihilist said: Because as a white man, I'm sick of hearing black rappers whine about how hard their lives are, like they're actually living worse than the LGBT community. Seriously dude? |
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HopefulNihilist said: then I'm confused: as to what standard I should judge socially conscious rap by. Idk man, if it were me I'd just stop taking it so seriously and enjoy the music. Personally I don't think there is any good or bad music just stuff that does or doesn't appeal to me. HopefulNihilist said: I don't understand why a rapper like Hopsin is hated for being simplistic in his "messages" yet mainstream socially conscious rappers like Kendrick aren't that much more complex than him. People dislike Hopsin because the way he tells his messages is often extremely preachy, he acts like he always knows better than his audience. Not to mention his delivery and beat choices are just lame as fuck. HopefulNihilist said: For some reason, this part of your post reminded me of introspective rap, and why it's my favorite rap genre: because of how deep it can be. Thats cool, if Earl Sweatshirt's some rap songs falls under that genre then I agree, fucking masterpiece. HopefulNihilist said: I don't actually have an issue with the message being obvious, I have an issue when the message is basic. Similar to "deep", I'm not sure I get your use of the word basic. As far as I can tell you describe things as basic when they don't require a google search to understand the topic, which is what I'd call obvious but once again we seem to have different understandings of what these words mean. I feel like I'm repeating myself at this point but a song isn't good from its subject matter alone, it's about the artists unique intent and perspective on it. There's been countless songs written about love and breakups and they're not going anywhere any time soon. For example you reference that J Cole song, at it's most simple core it is a love song. Everyone knows what love is and has probably had experience with it, but it's J Cole's unique experience with love that makes it complex and interesting to you. HopefulNihilist said: That's fair. My definition of "deep" is something that has layers to its message. I'm guessing then your definition of deep is much simpler? Digibro actually made a video basically arguing how "deep" is pointless. I don't think our definitions of deep are actually too dissimilar, I think I'm just much less concerned about my music being deep than you are. |
HopefulNihilist said: Speaking of 2pac, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say you didn't like his music? How come? No reason in particular, I've just never been able to get into that older west coast hip hop sound. I'm pretty picky when it comes to hip hop and I'm generally more interested in interesting/experimental production than lyrics. HopefulNihilist said: after discussing with you, I don't have as much of an issue with it as before. 😎 |
| "woke" music is for absolute douchenozzles who think their opinion matters or who "want to make a difference". The type of people who would preach at you for 20 minutes for making a joke about black people. Liking woke music is an instant deal breaker for me but sometimes people who like shit like logic or russ or eminem or whatever are so delusional they can be funny to be around. Other than that fuck right off with that garbage. |
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| Your entire "argument" is faulty. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. 2Pac is clearly too deep for you. This thread looks like a terrible attempt at trolling. |
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HopefulNihilist said: Krul_Lurk said: Your entire "argument" is faulty. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. 2Pac is clearly too deep for you. This thread looks like a terrible attempt at trolling. What is "deep" about 2pac? I'm not trying to troll you or anything, I am legitimately curious. I've listened to all the studio albums he released while he was still alive + Killuminati Every "message" that 2pac delivered, were basic things that everybody knew. I've already listed an example. Why is it that whenever I make a thread on a topic that provokes certain people I'm called a "troll"? I think it's your "delivery" or maybe you are disingenuous and too presumptuous to care, if I'm being real here. I don't know you but those are my thoughts and I have met many people like that. The worst part is that people like that actually seem to really believe what they say, which is fitting if they are disingenuous and presumptuous but that doesn't make them any less annoying. Your view on 2Pac, for example, comes off the way I described. I am only seriously replying because I ended up reading a bit of the discussion between you and @HohoVFX and you actually seem like you listen to alot of Hip Hop but yet, your views on 2Pac for example, are a bit perplexing, if I'm to give you the benefit of the doubt. To answer your question, I guess you need to establish what you mean by "deep" because 2Pac is deep. Anyone who seriously thinks otherwise must mean something else by "deep". That quote from 2Pac and your wordings were definitely troll like behavior. |
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| So seems like OP only thinks Conscious Hip Hop is basic due to the majority if it only talking about African American issues. Well sorry to hear that the MCs you know only spoke of basic Black issues "everybody knows" but since I know that I am well versed in the hip hop verse since the artists you listed are only the pinnacle of socially conscious hip hop imma drop a few on you that just don't deal with the basic African American issues Good Mourning talks about the idea of having a wasted life on the streets and that death is always lurking and many street guys always have it too late to realize that their life is at a mess and it being too late for them to change it due to death grabbing a hold of them. Yet it is also a celebration of life due to the last verse. This piece focuses on the idea of Heaven and how it is all a place we strive for as Blu learned from his grandfather but as he grows older he comes to realize every man has his own vision of Heaven and that we are just below it. "Listen, I rap for the ones that Johnny Cash wore, the black, for Black and white women that were turned to crackhores And I empty everything in the bank to give for it I empty all the days of my life to live for it And I empty all the blood in my veins to fight for it So I empty all the ink in this pen to write for it" And here we have a female MC rapping about the current state of Europe rn. Hmm lookie here conscious hip hop that doesn't only focus on "basic African American issues everyone knows about" Lol even Lil B is deeper than 2Pac Yet here's the genuis of Lil B at play "This song is actually so deep that it was disguised as a failure to be deep. The song’s focus seems to be “The Tortoise and the Hare” which is a story that takes a lot to be understood in the slightest and many people fail to grasp it. This song spells everything out for you, but many people fail to grasp it at all, just like the original tale." Anyways OP I know that you making threads like these will make people rec you some deep shit that isn't just about "basic issues" but man if you are so into this art dig more before you say stuff like this fam |
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HopefulNihilist said: Krul_Lurk said: I think it's your "delivery" or maybe you are disingenuous and too presumptuous to care, if I'm being real here. You are assuming that I'm disingenuous simply because you disagree with me. Don't you think that's unfair to me? If I wasn't sincere, why did I go into so much detail about my argument? How am I being "presumptuous"? The word implies that my behavior is "inappropriate" but it's not: I am expressing my freedom of opinion, without condemning anyone. YOU are the one being presumptuous, because of your condescending tone to me. Krul_Lurk said: Your view on 2Pac, for example, comes off the way I described. Then I theorize you didn't fully read the OP: I sincerely laid out an argument on why 2pac isn't a "deep" rapper, using direct quotes from him. Would you prefer I go over literally every line he has ever rapped? Krul_Lurk said: To answer your question, I guess you need to establish what you mean by "deep" because 2Pac is deep. Anyone who seriously thinks otherwise must mean something else by "deep". Alright, that's fair: in my opinion, a "deep" message in socially conscious rap is a message that is not basic; meaning it's a message that required complex research to find. For example, if a rapper made a rap song addressing Trump's tariffs on Mexico, I'd consider that to be "deep": because that is legit news that you can't figure out just by thinking 5 minutes to yourself, nor is it common knowledge/sense. 2pac's songs like, "Keep Ya Head Up", while containing positive "messages" when you think about it, is basic information that even people in the ghetto know: "They got money for war, but not money for the poor" "And since a man can't make one (referring to babies) He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one" No shit? These are all either common knowledge, or common opinions that literally everyone is aware of. Krul_Lurk said: That quote from 2Pac and your wordings were definitely troll like behavior. How was quoting 2pac "trolling"? Aidoru-Ojisan said: So seems like OP only thinks Conscious Hip Hop is basic due to the majority if it only talking about African American issues. No, I never said that conscious rap is basic because it mainly talks about African-American issues: I said it's basic because it talks about issues that literally everybody is aware of. Although, I've come to the conclusion, based on peoples' replies, that this applies primarily to mainstream socially conscious rap. According to what people have said here, underground socially conscious rap is more complex. I'll listen to the songs you posted later, but the descriptions you gave of what the "message" of the songs were were nothing that requires research into politics. "but the descriptions you gave of what the "message" of the songs were were nothing that requires research into politics" "Conscious hip hop is a term applied to Hip Hop artists whose lyrics deal with social issues. It has parallels with Political Hip Hop, although its focus is extended to topics such as religion, African American culture, everyday life and the state of hip hop itself."  |
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Aidoru-Ojisan said: HopefulNihilist said: You are assuming that I'm disingenuous simply because you disagree with me. Don't you think that's unfair to me? If I wasn't sincere, why did I go into so much detail about my argument? How am I being "presumptuous"? The word implies that my behavior is "inappropriate" but it's not: I am expressing my freedom of opinion, without condemning anyone. YOU are the one being presumptuous, because of your condescending tone to me. Then I theorize you didn't fully read the OP: I sincerely laid out an argument on why 2pac isn't a "deep" rapper, using direct quotes from him. Would you prefer I go over literally every line he has ever rapped? Alright, that's fair: in my opinion, a "deep" message in socially conscious rap is a message that is not basic; meaning it's a message that required complex research to find. For example, if a rapper made a rap song addressing Trump's tariffs on Mexico, I'd consider that to be "deep": because that is legit news that you can't figure out just by thinking 5 minutes to yourself, nor is it common knowledge/sense. 2pac's songs like, "Keep Ya Head Up", while containing positive "messages" when you think about it, is basic information that even people in the ghetto know: "They got money for war, but not money for the poor" "And since a man can't make one (referring to babies) He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one" No shit? These are all either common knowledge, or common opinions that literally everyone is aware of. How was quoting 2pac "trolling"? No, I never said that conscious rap is basic because it mainly talks about African-American issues: I said it's basic because it talks about issues that literally everybody is aware of. Although, I've come to the conclusion, based on peoples' replies, that this applies primarily to mainstream socially conscious rap. According to what people have said here, underground socially conscious rap is more complex. I'll listen to the songs you posted later, but the descriptions you gave of what the "message" of the songs were were nothing that requires research into politics. "but the descriptions you gave of what the "message" of the songs were were nothing that requires research into politics" "Conscious hip hop is a term applied to Hip Hop artists whose lyrics deal with social issues. It has parallels with Political Hip Hop, although its focus is extended to topics such as religion, African American culture, everyday life and the state of hip hop itself." Alright, that's fair. But how come mainstream socially conscious rap can't be less basic (other than to appeal to a mainstream audience)? |
HopefulNihilist said: Aidoru-Ojisan said: "but the descriptions you gave of what the "message" of the songs were were nothing that requires research into politics" "Conscious hip hop is a term applied to Hip Hop artists whose lyrics deal with social issues. It has parallels with Political Hip Hop, although its focus is extended to topics such as religion, African American culture, everyday life and the state of hip hop itself." Alright, that's fair. But how come mainstream socially conscious rap can't be less basic (other than to appeal to a mainstream audience)? Because I doubt that majority of the listeners actually care about what happens beyond current political issues and shit, I doubt any American audience could relate to the song Kate Temptest did about the state of Europe. It's just that most mainstream MCs will do stuff that their audience can relate to, TPAP is so aclaimed due to it being released when black activism was at its peak. This versus the underground themes of MCs rapping about the status of modern hip hop and stuff (which is also a lyrical theme of Concsious Hip Hop) "Hip-Hop, the most progressive music in the bunch We hear tracks from '05 on a flashback lunch Cause we move ahead every 30 seconds So hows it been 40 years and all we fucking rap about is weapons?" (from Lil Ugly Mane's On Doing An Evil Deed Blues) but it's also like with that Lil B song I posted how it is a representation of being so deep that it fails to be deep cause people will fall to grab the concept despite the lyrics telling you clearly about what he is rapping about, it's with the mainstream that you gotta get the point across and that point better be something that is on the news so that people actually listen to it, vs something abstract and complex. |
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HopefulNihilist said: You are assuming that I'm disingenuous simply because you disagree with me. Don't you think that's unfair to me? If I wasn't sincere, why did I go into so much detail about my argument? How am I being "presumptuous"? The word implies that my behavior is "inappropriate" but it's not: I am expressing my freedom of opinion, without condemning anyone. YOU are the one being presumptuous, because of your condescending tone to me. Lol. The "victim card" LOLLLL. Typical. You didn't help you case here at all. I said "maybe" and even said "I don't know you" and then said why I thought those thoughts but here you are being selective and trying to play the victim and calling things for what they aren't. Lol at "condescending tone" lol. You started this thread being condescending LOL. All you are doing is proving that my initial thoughts of you might actually be correct. HopefulNihilist said: Then I theorize you didn't fully read the OP: I sincerely laid out an argument on why 2pac isn't a "deep" rapper, using direct quotes from him. Would you prefer I go over literally every line he has ever rapped? You don't see your problem? I guess not. Krul_Lurk said: To answer your question, I guess you need to establish what you mean by "deep" because 2Pac is deep. Anyone who seriously thinks otherwise must mean something else by "deep". HopefulNihilist said: Alright, that's fair: in my opinion, a "deep" message in socially conscious rap is a message that is not basic; meaning it's a message that required complex research to find. For example, if a rapper made a rap song addressing Trump's tariffs on Mexico, I'd consider that to be "deep": because that is legit news that you can't figure out just by thinking 5 minutes to yourself, nor is it common knowledge/sense. 2pac's songs like, "Keep Ya Head Up", while containing positive "messages" when you think about it, is basic information that even people in the ghetto know: "They got money for war, but not money for the poor" "And since a man can't make one (referring to babies) He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one" No shit? These are all either common knowledge, or common opinions that literally everyone is aware of. You don't see how ^this argument is condescending and out of touch? THAT's your definition of deep? You are pushing a "definition" that was never there and that is out of touch and then try to put down those Artist you mentioned for that. It's like you are making things up just to complain. Krul_Lurk said: That quote from 2Pac and your wordings were definitely troll like behavior. That's not what I said. I rest my case. |
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HopefulNihilist said: Krul_Lurk said: Lol. The "victim card" LOLLLL. Typical. You didn't help you case here at all. I said "maybe" and even said "I don't know you" and then said why I thought those thoughts but here you are being selective and trying to play the victim and calling things for what they aren't. Lol at "condescending tone" lol. You started this thread being condescending LOL. All you are doing is proving that my initial thoughts of you might actually be correct. I'm not claiming I'm a "victim", I'm simply pointing out the irony in you saying I'm being "presumptuous", when you're the one who's condescending. Krul_Lurk said: You don't see your problem? I guess not. Then explain what the problem was with the OP. Krul_Lurk said: To answer your question, I guess you need to establish what you mean by "deep" because 2Pac is deep. Anyone who seriously thinks otherwise must mean something else by "deep". Krul_Lurk said: You don't see how ^this argument is condescending and out of touch? How is my argument, "condescending and out of touch"? Krul_Lurk said: THAT's your definition of deep? You are pushing a "definition" that was never there and that is out of touch and then try to put down those Artist you mentioned for that. It's like you are making things up just to complain. The definition of "deep" is very subjective. Even Digibro explained how reduntant the term is: [yt]8dpLGDuCxgc That's not what I said. I rest my case.[/quote] You literally said that the quote I put from 2pac, and my wordings were, "troll-like behavior". 1) You've spent more time arguing on whether I was being "condescending" or not. 2) Like literally every 2pac fan I've discussed with, you haven't actually made any argument as to what made 2pac a "deep" rapper. If you're not on this thread to actually discuss rap, why are you here? If you're going to continue trying to argue how "condescending" I am being, even though I'm not (or at the very least, my intention isn't), then I'm going to ignore you. Aidoru-Ojisan said: Because I doubt that majority of the listeners actually care about what happens beyond current political issues and shit, Interesting. Aidoru-Ojisan said: I doubt any American audience could relate to the song Kate Temptest did about the state of Europe. Does a song need to be relatable to appeal to a mainstream audience? Plenty of party songs and "bangers" aren't meant to be relatable. Aidoru-Ojisan said: It's just that most mainstream MCs will do stuff that their audience can relate to, Now that I think about it, the most critically acclaimed novels tend to be the ones people can relate to the most, so I guess it applies to rap to. Aidoru-Ojisan said: TPAP is so aclaimed due to it being released when black activism was at its peak. Wait, I thought Trap rap was released to sound catchy, and is primarily about rapping about drugs. Sure, there are trap rappers like Joyner Lucas who rap about other things, but for the most part, isn't trap rap associated with being about drugs? Aidoru-Ojisan said: but it's also like with that Lil B song I posted how it is a representation of being so deep that it fails to be deep cause people will fall to grab the concept despite the lyrics telling you clearly about what he is rapping about, it's with the mainstream that you gotta get the point across and that point better be something that is on the news so that people actually listen to it, vs something abstract and complex. But what about Kendrick Lamar? His songs like Wesley's Theory certainly require more attention from the listener's part, but the lyrics, especially at the end, clearly indicate what the song's about. Or is it that most people who listen to Kendrick don't actually pay attention to what he's saying?[/quote] btw when I was saying TPAP I was talking about To Pimp A Butterfly so that my line about it being acclaimed makes much more sense. |
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