Why are cartoon characters, generally, extremely ugly where as anime characters are in the pinnacle of beauty?
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Jun 3, 2019 9:45 AM
#101
gSol said: I'm not sure I've ever even seen non-anime-style animated porn...GlennMagusHarvey said: gSol said: I mean heck hentai is mostly anime and for good reason, the art style is more appealing and the girls are more attractive. Cartoon hentai is pretty niche. Who brought up live action porn? I was comparing it to cartoon porn but... Yeah I prefer hentai to porn sometimes +_+ not proud of it but at least I'm honest, I can't help what my meat likes lol Also, who cares what your meat likes. There's almost nothing stranger than human sexuality anyway, so as long as it's not hurting anyone, do whatever you want. |
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Jun 3, 2019 9:49 AM
#102
This pretty much just comes down to taste. |
Jun 3, 2019 9:58 AM
#103
GlennMagusHarvey said: gSol said: I'm not sure I've ever even seen non-anime-style animated porn...GlennMagusHarvey said: gSol said: Comparing hentai to live-action porn? Ehh, I wouldn't agree. Pretty up to taste there I guess.I mean heck hentai is mostly anime and for good reason, the art style is more appealing and the girls are more attractive. Cartoon hentai is pretty niche. Who brought up live action porn? I was comparing it to cartoon porn but... Yeah I prefer hentai to porn sometimes +_+ not proud of it but at least I'm honest, I can't help what my meat likes lol Also, who cares what your meat likes. There's almost nothing stranger than human sexuality anyway, so as long as it's not hurting anyone, do whatever you want. There is so much western animated porn, probably even moreso than Hentai. But almost all of it is amateur made so the quality is much lower on average even compared to the already shitty hentai quality. But hentai are at least made by production studios, most western animated porn is just made by a guy in his basement. And the majority of it is 3DCGI as well, and there is not even a semblance of plot, just random sex scenes animated. Sometimes with characters from well known video games like Overwatch, a lot just with original/random designs. The point is, there is shitload of western animated porn, just look for it on pornhub or any other public porn streaming site. I don't really like it and never looked for it, but it was hard to miss over the years just because of browsing Pornhub frequently. |
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Jun 3, 2019 10:06 AM
#104
Pullman said: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I wonder what you frequently searched for.it was hard to miss over the years just because of browsing Pornhub frequently. |
Jun 3, 2019 10:08 AM
#105
Oooooofff, that's a pretty top-tier choice my friend. How could I forget. |
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Jun 3, 2019 10:09 AM
#106
somebody from Klasky Csupo, Csupo himself iirc said that nickelodeon cartoon characters look ugly because they promote acceptance and inclusion. as for the calarts shit, I think it's general laziness and the teachers themselves can't draw anymore. |
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Jun 3, 2019 10:18 AM
#107
because... artstyle. also by saying this i assume you havent seen hentai tagged with ugly bastard, huh |
Jun 3, 2019 10:26 AM
#108
gSol said: deg said: because anime is for all ages while cartoons are intended for kids, ye i know this argument is weak but that is all on top of my head right now Still doesn't explain why you wouldn't draw your characters in an attractive way? They're just goofy and ugly. All children anime shows still feature cute well drawn characters that aren't oddly shaped or inhuman marvel and dc cartoon didn't look that bad, sure they didn't have 13yo girls who flaunt their slip around in a mini skirt but wonder woman had a nice figure mostly designed around american physique. |
Jun 3, 2019 10:41 AM
#109
GlennMagusHarvey said: gSol said: I'm not sure I've ever even seen non-anime-style animated porn...GlennMagusHarvey said: gSol said: Comparing hentai to live-action porn? Ehh, I wouldn't agree. Pretty up to taste there I guess.I mean heck hentai is mostly anime and for good reason, the art style is more appealing and the girls are more attractive. Cartoon hentai is pretty niche. Who brought up live action porn? I was comparing it to cartoon porn but... Yeah I prefer hentai to porn sometimes +_+ not proud of it but at least I'm honest, I can't help what my meat likes lol Also, who cares what your meat likes. There's almost nothing stranger than human sexuality anyway, so as long as it's not hurting anyone, do whatever you want. It's out there man, I've seen Simpsons porn before O_O I couldn't wack off to that but admittedly the Japanese know what they're doing when they draw female characters come on, they're not only triggering the adorable response but also the way they draw boobs, hips and asses are to trigger a response. Then again I'm literally attracted to 2D fake drawings so what weight does my opinion hold lol |
Jun 3, 2019 10:43 AM
#110
Cartoon designs are not so bad,escially they are SO unique,more iconic and easier to distinguish. Some anime characters are actually ugly for story porpouses,like Luis Armstrong fron FMA, and to be honest I think """the TOO much big eye""" are really horrible to see (ex.Clannad). I also must point out that in this recent years Anime started to have a more differentiated style to each,instead Cartoon started to like all alike. |
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Jun 3, 2019 11:37 AM
#111
Optigisa said: petran79 said: HopefulNihilist said: Because us Westeners except me aren't dumb enough to be sexually attracted to cartoon characters, so we don't try to make them sexually attractive. Also why do people want to fuck Astolfo so badly? ........................................................................................................... All of these characters are ugly except Jessica Rabbit. "All".....lol Betty's the only ugly one (second gif) but what petran is pointing out is how they are given what many would consider 'sex appeal'. |
Jun 3, 2019 11:50 AM
#112
hmmm i mean as you've already mentioned, there are definitely a number of exceptions to this but i guess in general i'd say it's because a lot of western animation/cartoons tend to use style as a way to distinguish themselves? most of the time, anime is pretty consistent in style/animation - since a lot of general features will always remain such as stereotypically larger eyes, characters all looking very slim and almost triangular or at least sharper in body shape, etc. i find that a lot of comics tend to use their style as a way to be quirky or different from other animated series - maybe they value complete originality more than standard aesthetics. i don't have a problem with either really though. |
Jun 3, 2019 12:36 PM
#113
Chiibi said: "All".....lol Betty's the only ugly one (second gif) but what petran is pointing out is how they are given what many would consider 'sex appeal'. Not surprisingly western cartoon fans had also issues and could be even worse. Eg Tiny Toons was cancelled because of a fan harassing Tress McNeille Fifi la Flume fandom went also overboard. Who knows what would happen, had they added more Minerva Mink episodes. Wise decision to remove her.! |
Jun 3, 2019 12:40 PM
#114
Chiibi said: Optigisa said: petran79 said: HopefulNihilist said: Because us Westeners except me aren't dumb enough to be sexually attracted to cartoon characters, so we don't try to make them sexually attractive. Also why do people want to fuck Astolfo so badly? ........................................................................................................... All of these characters are ugly except Jessica Rabbit. "All".....lol Betty's the only ugly one (second gif) but what petran is pointing out is how they are given what many would consider 'sex appeal'. I know, just giving out my opinion. Only furry I consider hot is Lola bunny, never understood the appeal behind Betty Boop. |
Jun 3, 2019 12:57 PM
#115
gSol said: This is a very informative and detailed explanation thank you. I do not think attractiveness makes a character (cough cough Emilia) it certainly helps when my screen is aesthetically pleasing to look at rather than outright off putting in some cases, hate to use Big Mouth as an example but I am again. You're welcome. I won't deny art style doesn't have important part in animation, it really does and often there are decisions to make it more appealing to majority. And as far what I know of Big mouth its' storyboard art doesn't look as disturbing as the actual finished product, so I don't really think ugly and awkward looking characters are what makes it look bad. But most I have read it's a show created by comedians to tell jokes and some story easy to relate, actual visuals being second. jal90 said: Uhm, allow me to digress a little here because if we are going to compare then it's neither fair nor representative to put one show with more realistic character proportions in front of other with more exaggerated character proportions. Your anime example is very self-evident and it looks lazy, but having characters that look similar by having similar proportions and face structures is a style, not a flaw. It becomes lazy and bad when the individuality of each character design is not properly achieved, which may pretty well be the case here. However, what you call "accessories" are often essential character traits and should be called like that. Take for example Madoka Magica. If you dismiss these characters for having a similar face and body structure (that is, for not having exaggerated body traits or not being absurdly taller and shorter than the rest), you are missing their overall point. These characters are easily differentiable from one another by virtue of being, for instance, heavily color-coded, which could be argued to be as well, to a point, representative of their personalities and role in the story. And so is their hairstyle. These kinds of designs are made with a completely different mindset than your counterexample below but they are still effectively differentiable and they make sense and have a point in their overall communicative purpose. The audience associates these character designs with easy codes (like colors) and aspects of their personality, and the show effectively creates an individuality to each of them based on what you are labelling here as "accessories". Fair enough and I admit I have my own biases playing a part. However what I meant isn't over exaggerating body parts mean better design (which I didn't explain well enough and my examples weren't the best to show that, but I decided to use generic anime vs. not so typical anime due to thread's topic). What I tried to show was more related how you shouldbe able to tell characters easily apart just by a glance. So called easy way to make that is "character silhouette design", if you draw your character's silhouette you should be able to tell which character it is just by that. Similarly if you are drawing your character in a moving position using simply silhouette can make it a lot easier. Relying on clothing or other removable items, which i meant by accessories, often leads to weak character designs. Designing of course includes other things like shape and color language. In case of most anime shows the hair is the one that is used a lot to make distinguishing easier and some became even iconic, but same way you can use body language in a design. I think Madoka characters had that also going on (at least Kyoko, Homura and Sayaka). But best anime example of that is Osomatsu-san imo, you can tell each brother apart easily just by how they're standing. For western works Asterix comics (where quite many have similar potato nose and bodies often round) and Disney's Donald Duck comics (where most are just a copy of Donald or "humans" with dog ears and nose) also have characters easy to tell just by body language. Of course there are more examples when you really start to examine designs, but those were first that came to my mind now. GlennMagusHarvey said: I'm not sure I've ever even seen non-anime-style animated porn... There is the short animation Snow white and the seven perverts, also they aired here on TV Les Sales Blagues de l'Écho but that's just french humor tbh. If you want I can hit you up with some transformers gay porn. Or some TMNT incest porn. |
konkeloJun 3, 2019 1:29 PM
Jun 3, 2019 1:51 PM
#116
I always thought that, the reason why the western animators don't create overly complex character designs is because it is not practical from a technical standpoint, at least, way back when animation was done frame by frame, the norm back then would be to have characters being as minimally detailed as possible, showcasing only the traits which are necessary to convey emotions and identity maybe, that's the reason why most western characters just have sticks instead of legs, things like body parts are just a waste of time to draw and serve no purpouse in the setting of a cartoon, if you absolutely needed something to be realistic then why not ask someone to act it out instead of drawing it? right? But I have to say that, contrary to what many would think, Japanese animation is not "realistic" in terms of aesthetic appeal, the proportions and certain specific details of human anatomy are an "abstraction" filtered through some brilliant deconstruction of perceived beauty, then amplified to maximize the expression of specific traits that the character should have at any given moment. I'd say they are more or less the same, in principle, but anime definitely takes the whole thing one step further by neglecting the simplicty of ergonomic design in order to give characters an enhanced version of "reality" if you could call it that. |
Jun 3, 2019 1:58 PM
#117
DrMondaiNashi said: I always thought that, the reason why the western animators don't create overly complex character designs is because it is not practical from a technical standpoint, at least, way back when animation was done frame by frame, the norm back then would be to have characters being as minimally detailed as possible, showcasing only the traits which are necessary to convey emotions and identity maybe, that's the reason why most western characters just have sticks instead of legs, things like body parts are just a waste of time to draw and serve no purpouse in the setting of a cartoon, if you absolutely needed something to be realistic then why not ask someone to act it out instead of drawing it? right? But I have to say that, contrary to what many would think, Japanese animation is not "realistic" in terms of aesthetic appeal, the proportions and certain specific details of human anatomy are an "abstraction" filtered through some brilliant deconstruction of perceived beauty, then amplified to maximize the expression of specific traits that the character should have at any given moment. I'd say they are more or less the same, in principle, but anime definitely takes the whole thing one step further by neglecting the simplicty of ergonomic design in order to give characters an enhanced version of "reality" if you could call it that. That's a very long and complex way of saying the Japanese draw boobs and butts better than reality allows for |
Jun 3, 2019 2:11 PM
#118
because anime style focuses on exaggerating body proportions and facial features in the most attractive way possible i don't think i've ever fapped to a western cartoon character... not even back when i was into them... but then again.. i wasn't fapping back then XD CHLO_JO007 said: Why are you making such a broad generalizations? 1. You need to watch more non-Japanese cartoons if you think nobody besides Japan can create beautiful animation. BIG MOUTH is NOT the American standard. 2. Yet At the same time, you need to watch more anime if you think ALL anime has beautiful animation, because I've seen some terrible animation. he didn't say anything about animation, he's talking about character design petran79 said: HopefulNihilist said: Because us Westeners except me aren't dumb enough to be sexually attracted to cartoon characters, so we don't try to make them sexually attractive. Also why do people want to fuck Astolfo so badly? ........................................................................................................... when i was like 4-8ish, this is exactly what i was into LMAO |
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Jun 3, 2019 2:29 PM
#119
EcchiGodMamster said: because anime style focuses on exaggerating body proportions and facial features in the most attractive way possible i don't think i've ever fapped to a western cartoon character... not even back when i was into them... but then again.. i wasn't fapping back then XD CHLO_JO007 said: Why are you making such a broad generalizations? 1. You need to watch more non-Japanese cartoons if you think nobody besides Japan can create beautiful animation. BIG MOUTH is NOT the American standard. 2. Yet At the same time, you need to watch more anime if you think ALL anime has beautiful animation, because I've seen some terrible animation. he didn't say anything about animation, he's talking about character design petran79 said: HopefulNihilist said: Because us Westeners except me aren't dumb enough to be sexually attracted to cartoon characters, so we don't try to make them sexually attractive. Also why do people want to fuck Astolfo so badly? ........................................................................................................... when i was like 4-8ish, this is exactly what i was into LMAO Hey at least we admit we fap to it, I know there are people out there too ashamed to admit they've fapped to drawings but well... Exactly how you've put it: anime style focuses on exaggerating body proportions and facial features in the most attractive way possible How can we not want to fap to it o_O lol |
Jun 3, 2019 3:05 PM
#120
I was up to my late teens, till Space Jam's Lola Bunny. Western animation had one chance with Carmilla in the new Castlevania, but they totally screwed her by removing all the detailed body drawings in her chest and rear. In a supposedly mature rated animated series As opposed to how they should have her designed |
Jun 3, 2019 3:12 PM
#121
petran79 said: I was up to my late teens, till Space Jam's Lola Bunny. Western animation had one chance with Carmilla in the new Castlevania, but they totally screwed her by removing all the detailed body drawings in her chest and rear. In a supposedly mature rated animated series As opposed to how they should have her designed Perhaps it's because its taboo to admit you find animated characters attractive in the West, I know I always get weird looks and seem to be the only person who is open about enjoying Hentai out of my entire friend group and some of them watch anime lol |
Jun 3, 2019 3:45 PM
#122
Optigisa said: never understood the appeal behind Betty Boop. Same. I've always thought she was REEEEEEEALLY ugly. xD @EcchiGodMamster: Animaniacs was just an amazing show; but it's MUCH funnier when you're an adult now. xD |
Jun 3, 2019 4:10 PM
#123
gSol said: EcchiGodMamster said: because anime style focuses on exaggerating body proportions and facial features in the most attractive way possible i don't think i've ever fapped to a western cartoon character... not even back when i was into them... but then again.. i wasn't fapping back then XD CHLO_JO007 said: Why are you making such a broad generalizations? 1. You need to watch more non-Japanese cartoons if you think nobody besides Japan can create beautiful animation. BIG MOUTH is NOT the American standard. 2. Yet At the same time, you need to watch more anime if you think ALL anime has beautiful animation, because I've seen some terrible animation. he didn't say anything about animation, he's talking about character design petran79 said: HopefulNihilist said: Because us Westeners except me aren't dumb enough to be sexually attracted to cartoon characters, so we don't try to make them sexually attractive. Also why do people want to fuck Astolfo so badly? ........................................................................................................... when i was like 4-8ish, this is exactly what i was into LMAO Hey at least we admit we fap to it, I know there are people out there too ashamed to admit they've fapped to drawings but well... Exactly how you've put it: anime style focuses on exaggerating body proportions and facial features in the most attractive way possible How can we not want to fap to it o_O lol LMAO if anime characters weren't fappable, anime wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is now, so there ain't no fucking shame ever since Pokemon and Digimon first came out, my fictional women eye has been only for anime girls lol theyre so perfect to me, its impossible to not want to fap XD petran79 said: I was up to my late teens, till Space Jam's Lola Bunny. Western animation had one chance with Carmilla in the new Castlevania, but they totally screwed her by removing all the detailed body drawings in her chest and rear. In a supposedly mature rated animated series As opposed to how they should have her designed Pokemon/Digimon DESTROYED my love for western cartoon girls lol and being born in 89, i still find 80s and 90s anime girls just as hot as modern ones and whats even worse is about the Castlevania show the art is obviously supposed to be anime influenced :/ Chiibi said: Optigisa said: never understood the appeal behind Betty Boop. Same. I've always thought she was REEEEEEEALLY ugly. xD @EcchiGodMamster: Animaniacs was just an amazing show; but it's MUCH funnier when you're an adult now. xD i haven't seen that show since i was like 8 lol... then again, the last time i watched a western cartoon was probably the 2003 TMNT in middleschool |
Jun 3, 2019 4:15 PM
#124
It's the realistic picture of their people |
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Jun 3, 2019 4:27 PM
#125
Jun 3, 2019 4:59 PM
#126
Because anime and Japan. Anime characters have more realistic? attributes? and are made to be attractive. How else are they gonna make weebs by figures???????? Idk what the deal is with cartoon characters. Probably because they're mostly aimed at children. |
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Jun 3, 2019 5:22 PM
#127
Well, if you talk about western comic, then yes. I don't even know why they make it that way. But the western cartoon in general (I'm saying the human one, not like spongebob or anything) is actually good, something like disney princess or anything like that. Maybe they want to make something realistic, but didn't end up really good. I mean, Vagabond manga is so realistic, yet it is really enjoyable and didn't make you feel uncomfortable, like any other western "realistic" comic. For anime, well...maybe they are targeting hardcore otaku there to buy action figure, or even doujins hentai manga. I mean, you don't want to fap to a western comic style, right? For me at least, anime is a give from god to fap in the best way as possible, and thanks god anime is made in Japan, they have really good voice actor too. |
Jun 3, 2019 7:03 PM
#128
mohrip said: For anime, well...maybe they are targeting hardcore otaku there to buy action figure, or even doujins hentai manga. I mean, you don't want to fap to a western comic style, right? For me at least, anime is a give from god to fap in the best way as possible, and thanks god anime is made in Japan, they have really good voice actor too. It works sometimes I contemplate buying a pillow just to... Um do unspeakable things with... But I have yet to allow myself to sink to complete degeneracy. Don't worry tho i'm not far off |
Jun 4, 2019 10:24 AM
#129
I wonder what would happen if I were somehow able to remove all female anime characters from the information people are considering in their heads for the purpose of this thread. Would the conclusion be different? |
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Jun 4, 2019 10:30 AM
#130
GlennMagusHarvey said: I wonder what would happen if I were somehow able to remove all female anime characters from the information people are considering in their heads for the purpose of this thread. Would the conclusion be different? Thats like asking would women be attractive if for a moment men stopped considering the women they found attractive a factor. |
Jun 4, 2019 10:44 AM
#131
because cartoons suck. It is known. |
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Jun 4, 2019 10:52 AM
#132
gSol said: USA when making Big Mouth: Lets make the characters so ugly you can't even finish the show! Japan when making Anime: Lets make the characters so attractive our fans will still wanna bang Astolfo after finding he has a pepe! USA when making cartoons: We are free to be creative, so what art style would best match our tone and setting? Japan when making anime: Fuck style, it should all look the same! |
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Jun 4, 2019 11:51 AM
#133
Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Wrong. Cartoons are great and they have creative art styles. |
Jun 4, 2019 12:12 PM
#134
Tarotsu said: Wrong. Wrong.Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Wrong. Cartoons are great and they have creative art styles. Cartoons suck and have trash art. Wrong. Wrong. Fookin Calart |
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Jun 4, 2019 12:32 PM
#135
Comander-07 said: Whatever you say, opinion enforcement officer.Tarotsu said: Wrong. Wrong.Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Wrong. Cartoons are great and they have creative art styles. Cartoons suck and have trash art. Wrong. Wrong. Fookin Calart |
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Jun 4, 2019 12:41 PM
#136
Cartoons aimed at children have exaggerated body proportions to give a comical effect, because most morning cartoons on cable TV are designed to be slapstick (Looney Toons, South Park, etc.). Western cartoons aimed at an older audience with more action has more realistic proportions. Japanese cartoons have exaggerated facial proportions to give a cute effect. Literally why children appear "cute" is because they have larger eyes in proportion to their head. So if you think anime is the pinnacle of beauty, then you're probably a pedophile. |
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Jun 4, 2019 12:50 PM
#137
What cartoons have you seen that are on the side of fanservice that are not a comedy in any way and expresses that through character design and absurd anatomy? Anime is more of the pretty side whilst cartoons are more on over-exaggerations, not ugliness because they're intended to be that way. And not all cartoons are aimed for children. Many also run on short budgets. |
Jun 4, 2019 12:53 PM
#138
Because anime is better, that's why. |
Jun 4, 2019 2:24 PM
#139
GlennMagusHarvey said: When one side starts with the "no u" the other has no choice but to do the sameComander-07 said: Whatever you say, opinion enforcement officer.Tarotsu said: Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Wrong. Cartoons are great and they have creative art styles. Cartoons suck and have trash art. Wrong. Wrong. Fookin Calart |
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Jun 4, 2019 2:46 PM
#140
Comander-07 said: I wouldn't summarize your guys' arguments like that. More so this: "WRONG!!!" and you could've explained. Your OG post wasn't a masterpiece you know, it was just saying X thing is trash. They replied with the same amount of effort. You both could've explained yourselves. GlennMagusHarvey said: When one side starts with the "no u" the other has no choice but to do the sameComander-07 said: Tarotsu said: Wrong. Wrong.Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Wrong. Cartoons are great and they have creative art styles. Cartoons suck and have trash art. Wrong. Wrong. Fookin Calart |
Jun 4, 2019 2:52 PM
#141
Peaceful_Critic said: Wrong!Comander-07 said: I wouldn't summarize your guys' arguments like that. More so this: "WRONG!!!" and you could've explained. Your OG post wasn't a masterpiece you know, it was just saying X thing is trash. They replied with the same amount of effort. You both could've explained yourselves. GlennMagusHarvey said: Comander-07 said: Whatever you say, opinion enforcement officer.Tarotsu said: Wrong. Wrong.Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Wrong. Cartoons are great and they have creative art styles. Cartoons suck and have trash art. Wrong. Wrong. Fookin Calart I like this amount of effort right now. |
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Jun 4, 2019 2:59 PM
#142
Comander-07 said: I see. Okay, I'll just post this then:Peaceful_Critic said: Wrong!Comander-07 said: GlennMagusHarvey said: When one side starts with the "no u" the other has no choice but to do the sameComander-07 said: Whatever you say, opinion enforcement officer.Tarotsu said: Wrong. Wrong.Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Comander-07 said: because cartoons suck. It is known. Wrong. Cartoons are great and they have creative art styles. Cartoons suck and have trash art. Wrong. Wrong. Fookin Calart I like this amount of effort right now. |
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