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May 29, 3:59 PM
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I loved the way the truth was revealed with a magic that we were already familiar with.

I didn't like that the punishment was as simple as death. The new punishment also wasn't that good. I had heard that the conclusion to Myne was really satisfying. Well, I am not that satisfied!

This episode looks like a nice ending for the season, but MAL says there are still more episodes left. Hope they don't ruin anything!
 
May 29, 4:01 PM

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Didn't they change the story ?
Thought the death penalty was started a different way.
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Wow, what an ep. Felt like the last ep, to be honest xD but this ep was so damn good. The King and malty got what they deserved, instead of public execution its a lifetime of public shaming!
 
May 29, 4:06 PM
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I'm not so sure about this one. Yes it was satisfying to see Myne and the King get punishment. However, what I don't understand is why so much was cut out. And why must Naofumi be shown as the noble type compared to the LN and Manga. I mean where was the twisted smile while saying "I'm trash right?". Why did he show some sort of humanity when he saw Myne and the King about to be executed. In the Manga his first thought was "That's not enough" not "This is wrong". FFS even the Queen suggested peeling off their skins if i'm not mistaken.

This is another example of the anime straying away from the LN and Manga. Am I fan of it, eh.


Edit: Went back to read the scene from the Manga, Naofumi was the one who wanted the execution. Queen said nah shit would get controversial. She suggested ripping off their arms and legs, flaying them alive. Queen was taking no shit.

The Queen was playing him for the most part tbh in that part and he was aware of it cuz she has no reason to torture them


That was my take as well. She suggested the worst tortures possible hoping he would do the opposite of what she suggested.

It would be ridiculous to say, "we can't execute them, it would look bad" then do something like ripp off their limbs or skin them alive. BTW, no one could survive being skinned alive and it's doubtful anyone would survive having all their limbs ripped off.

I think she was just exaggerating to make Naofumi feel foolish for choosing actual torture.
 
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At the start of this show, I personally loved the fact that Naofumi was a vindictive, vengeful asshole (rightfully so) and it really did separate him from all of the other generic isekai MC's. However that being said, I'm also glad his character went through a major development and decided to be more noble. This decision doesn't make him similar to all other "noble" isekai MC's like Kirito because unlike the rest of them, Naofumi DEVELOPED into that character, rather than just starting out like that with no development. This is what separates him from the other archetypal MC's, despite behaving potentially similarly to them. In the manga I honestly think he was over the top and caricature-like in this scene, and although that may have been more satisfying to the audience (and me), it showed that his character hadn't really developed.

However the episode wasn't perfect and the thing I especially wanted to see was the reason why trash king hated the shield hero so much, instead of delving into his past they decided to just make him a typical evil prick with no explanation of his motivations, which makes him a badly written antagonist.



I didn't read the source but it sounds like I would have liked it if the anime made even more changes. A lot of the obstacles the Shield Hero faces feel contrived and it does feel over-the-top a lot of the time.
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May 29, 4:19 PM

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Does he have a bone fracture? Oh, we don't know, because the story didn't bother to tell us.

It's just narrative fluff to make the Shield nonsense seem more serious than it actually is - in other words, not at all.


Do I have to recite the entire anime? Does the anime tell every little insignificant detail to be a good story? To me it seemed like he lost liters of blood, that is convincing enough for me.

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Didn't they change the story ?
Thought the death penalty was started a different way.
Are you daydreaming, at the beginning of the previous episode, they changed the storyline, changed character designs, changed the art, this is the KINEMA CITRUS studio version of the Shield Hero series, this is not full material for LN, WN, or MANGA
 
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What the actual fuck????

Don't get me wrong... I do like that Naofumi has developed into a more mature character, but this is just stupid. It was made clear during the jugdement that Myne was a piece of shit, willing to kill her own fucking sister!!

Why did they have to adapt the story just so Naofumi is all whiteknighty and shit? Dude goes from getting a slave cause he is not in Japan so its all good, to being a pussy who punishes murderous scum with childish names
 
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Best episode my ass! How could the queen be willing to sacrifice his daughter and husband for someone she hardly knew, all for what? The nation. I get it those two were despicable, but isn't blood thicker than water and didn't she love them before this? She's lying when she said she was going to beg the shield hero with her life, that didn't look that way to me as she was already in execution mode. If it was, then the animators did a bad job to depict that. Also Naofumi didn't seem to stop the execution because of her, but because he felt pity after Bitch there begged her to spare her and, saw that she wasn't lying at it. The man is being given too much credit.
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May 29, 4:46 PM

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What the actual fuck????



Why did they have to adapt the story just so Naofumi is all whiteknighty and shit? Dude goes from getting a slave cause he is not in Japan so its all good, to being a pussy who punishes murderous scum with childish names
If the comment section had a like button, I would've liked this comment.

They made the dude to be some kind chivalrous knight in this episode, although it clashes with his character.
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this made me feel amazing both in terms of the anime and real life. great to see false rape accusations being punished for.
 
May 29, 4:55 PM

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Finally! The punishment got served! Very satisfying <3

Oh come on! How could they cut Myne's confession?? That's the most important part! I would love to see Myne spit out all her lies and what she did to poor Naofumi, but instead she got her mouth shut the entire episode not feeling any guilt. Such a shame :(

OMG, Motoyasu still believed in her lies!! How pathetic can he be?? He is so blind it hurts to watch X( At least Bow and Sword Heroes had a hint in Myne's actions.

Well, at least she got saved by the Shield Hero along with her father, the King aka Trash. Hope she's happy she got saved, but her new nickname is so glorious it's funny! That was a good one XD
 
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ahh, at last, Justice has been served.... This episode was so satisfying.
The Queen is amazing....

Your life has been spared Trash king and Bitch, now suffer the consequence for the rest of your life.
 
May 29, 5:17 PM

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Not really a fan of the last few episodes. There wasn't a huge ass monologue where Shield chastised and admonished the actions of the other heroes, Naofumi actually tried to use Iron Maiden first to kill the Pope instead of going "Oooh a shiny new toy, lets try it out, I'm sure there will be no negative consequences to doing so!" And when he finally did use Blood Sacrifice, it was out of desperation and a last resort act because his ultimate skill did not work and the Pope had actually been healed from the wounds he received. And then the queen never even got to the battlefield to freeze the Pope in place. So that was added for no reason at all.

Then we get this episode where we have an idiotic trial that only served as fan service to see close up shots of Myne's tits and her screaming in pain as she continuously lies, and therefore gets shocked by the slave seal. There's no public execution scene at all, it's all one continuous thing that plays out where the Trash and Bitch have their sins laid out to bear, and when it came time to think of a punishment, Naofumi just says to strip them of their titles/names. Oh and Naofumi and co. take part of the banquet afterward to celebrate taking down the Pope as that was meant to serve as a purpose of getting all 4 heroes' parties acquainted with each other, since you know, supposed to work together to clear the waves.
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Best episode my ass! How could the queen be willing to sacrifice his daughter and husband for someone she hardly knew, all for what? The nation. I get it those two were despicable, but isn't blood thicker than water and didn't she love them before this? She's lying when she said she was going to beg the shield hero with her life, that didn't look that way to me as she was already in execution mode. If it was, then the animators did a bad job to depict that. Also Naofumi didn't seem to stop the execution because of her, but because he felt pity after Bitch there begged her to spare her and, saw that she wasn't lying at it. The man is being given too much credit.
yes anime directors are very stupid, from the beginning I knew they would definitely change the story again, by the way all the stupid scenes you mentioned never happened in the manga, anime is just an insult to the original writer
 
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Do I have to recite the entire anime? Does the anime tell every little insignificant detail to be a good story? To me it seemed like he lost liters of blood, that is convincing enough for me.

Don't know why you are so salty. I won't bother to answer you anymore.

I mean, actions need to have consequences if you want to have any kind of tension or drama in the story.

Saying that the Curse Shield ability is dangerous only to turn around and have there be no consequences whatsoever is bad writing. Saying that "it will take a month to recover" is not a consequence when he is showing no signs of injury or ill effect after only three days. If the dialog has no meaningful effect or reflection on the story, the only possible reason for it being there is to create a fake sense of risk.
 
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SSL443 said:
Oonokami said:
Do I have to recite the entire anime? Does the anime tell every little insignificant detail to be a good story? To me it seemed like he lost liters of blood, that is convincing enough for me.

Don't know why you are so salty. I won't bother to answer you anymore.

I mean, actions need to have consequences if you want to have any kind of tension or drama in the story.

Saying that the Curse Shield ability is dangerous only to turn around and have there be no consequences whatsoever is bad writing. Saying that "it will take a month to recover" is not a consequence when he is showing no signs of injury or ill effect after only three days. If the dialog has no meaningful effect or reflection on the story, the only possible reason for it being there is to create a fake sense of risk.
This was poorly explained in the anime, in the LN, it's actually a debuff to his stats that will take a month to recover from, not his physical condition.
 
May 29, 5:30 PM

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F*cking perfect, I prefer this fate for them instead of a single beheading. Really satisfying to see Myne - sorry, 'bitch' - being so desperated that she begged the one she hated & bullied during 20 episodes. I'm curious to know how she will live with such title, after she lost almost everything but her life.

 
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Best episode my ass! How could the queen be willing to sacrifice his daughter and husband for someone she hardly knew, all for what? The nation. I get it those two were despicable, but isn't blood thicker than water and didn't she love them before this? She's lying when she said she was going to beg the shield hero with her life, that didn't look that way to me as she was already in execution mode. If it was, then the animators did a bad job to depict that. Also Naofumi didn't seem to stop the execution because of her, but because he felt pity after Bitch there begged her to spare her and, saw that she wasn't lying at it. The man is being given too much credit.

She was about to pull the dagger just a moment before Naofumi stopped the execution you can go back and watch the scene again.

The anime changed some things, in the manga/LN it was Naofumi who actually suggested killing them and the queen refused, then she played him into suggesting something less extreme, hence the name "Bitch" and "Trash". She's ruthless, but she wasn't about to let her daughter and husband die just like that.

The anime shows Naofumi in a MUCH better light than other media tbh.
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May 29, 5:51 PM

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Fuck man FUCK Naofumi is my boy!!! That bitch had the AUDACITY to ask him for help in the end. Then my man allows her to live with the name Bitch and travlers name Slut. WHAT AN EPISODE!!!
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May 29, 5:52 PM

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And finally bitch is out of the picture too bad that spear jockey didn't hit the bucket with her as well

So... the remaining four episodes are fillers
 
May 29, 5:52 PM
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Damn, this episode, what a masterpiece! I just LOVED IT!

First of all, Queen is an great women, she acted really well!

I really didn't expect that trial, king and Malty without doubt got what they deserved, and that slave contract to detect her lie was so perfect, was so SATISFYING see Malty screaming everytime she lied, but that bitch had no shame, she keep lying and lying!

I got crazy when Naofumi's dream was really being true, for me they really deserved die, and seeing malty calling for Naofumi's help, was just disgusting, but yeah naofumi got compassion and saved them, and Naofumi naming them was so priceless, Bitch/Slut and Trash really suit them so perfectly!

Queen was thinking of offer her life for the life of that Trash and Bitch, i am glad Naofumi stopped that, unintensionaly, i think!

The farewel was real heartwarming, specially from Melty, and was nice to see everyone who helped Naofumi!

Looking forward to see what will happen in next 4 episodes!
 
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And finally bitch is out of the picture too bad that spear jockey didn't hit the bucket with her as well

So... the remaining four episodes are fillers

It's a setup for the next major story arc, most likely they are planning on season 2
 
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Yeah I mean capital punishment is a bit harsh, but like do they not have jails? I mean sure their reputation is ruined forever, but might as well lock them up somewhere. It's clear how completely pathological Malty is. Even with a fool proof lie detector that causes severe pain she still constantly lied lmao.
 
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May 29, 6:10 PM

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Yeah I mean capital punishment is a bit harsh, but like do they not have jails? I mean sure their reputation is ruined forever, but might as well lock them up somewhere. It's clear how completely pathological Malty is. Even with a fool proof lie detector that causes severe pain she still constantly lied lmao.


I think she is literally incapable of saying the truth for the most part. Like she could possibly have a mental condition that warps her lies into her truth.

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May 29, 6:12 PM

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God could this show stoop any lower? Its nothing but shit justice porn. How can anyone buy into this?
 
May 29, 6:15 PM

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OMG!
I bow down to that Queen! She's very righteous at the same time ruthless if needed to be, but look at that she also hesitated because of course husband and daughter.
It was such a good thing to see Myne undergo that pain and suffering each time she lied! that was sensational and pure satisfaction especially to all those who deeply despise Myne!
King = KUZU (trash)
Myne = Bitch (slut)
their names suits them best!
the last part, it feels like the end of the season lolz! no OP and ED!
5/5!
 
May 29, 6:16 PM

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The queen is a certified milf I'll give it that
 
May 29, 6:23 PM

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FINALLY. We finally reached this point, and boy, was it beautiful. Though it felt a bit fast to me, it was a dang satisfying way to clear his name.
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It's a setup for the next major story arc, most likely they are planning on season 2


Nice, thanks for reply I hope that S2 will deliver better and more memorable villains because this bitch in my mind already faded into the background
 
May 29, 6:27 PM

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what a damn waste they should have died :(
 
May 29, 6:28 PM
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I didn't like this.

It's Game of Thrones Season 8 all over again; a nice spectacle and fanfiction, satisfying our boners for justice porn and revenge, but ultimately very poor directing and writing, rushed pacing. Out-of-character writing.

A damn shame. From episode 4 it's been a steady decline in quality until now, where it rapidly got worse.
 
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I can foresee ep thread will be full of two possible comments:
1. People getting in extasis because they finally got their justice porn. No matter all the bad writing
2. People getting disappointed because Naofumi is likely to forgive those pathetic cartoonish villains. No matter all the bad writing



It seems I was right about that after all, adding also "and they're going to blame adaptation of being bad" :)

Now that the revenge porn issue is over, the serie has basically lost any substance at all.
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May 29, 6:29 PM
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This show is really going downhill, very disappointing.
They should at least have gone through with the execution
 
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Salvation at its finest. Guard of Honor for the Shield Hero!! He overcame every trial he had to face, in times of death and cruelty. A hero has risen!
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May 29, 6:33 PM

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This show is really going downhill, very disappointing.
They should at least have gone through with the execution

Well it ain't Akame ga Kill or Grancrest Senki.
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Damn this is the most satisfying episode ever that Malty and Aultcray are punished. they are even named Malty: Bitch her adventurer Name is Slut Aultcray Name: Trash. Wow, every country is pissed off at Melromac for summoning the Four Cardinal heroes that the queen went to those countries to dispell any tension. Malty is such a pathological liar that she can't escape the Slave mark to force her, to tell the truth, this is kind of like a liar detector test and she failed all of those questions that have been asked of her.
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May 29, 6:44 PM

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BEST EPISODE EVER! FINALLY! AFTER 20 EPS! the revenge!
This episode is 100% pure satisfaction hahaha

Myne just proved that she is even more of a b**, she's worse than her dad because he didn't know about a lot of things!

Still! What an eps!





Won't say more, i just want to enjoy this episode, best 20min ever! haha
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May 29, 6:50 PM

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Perfect episode for a perfect serie.
I wanted what i won this. \o/
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May 29, 6:54 PM

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Man ... they really toned it down lel
Proper trial here while manga is just barging in and shut the fuck up outta everyone lel
Naofumi and the queen get changed a lot. He’s like”fucking kill these 2 bitches” and the queen proposes something nastier
 
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talk about fuel for incels to get their justice porn boner going crazy lol this shit was wack

blows my mind(not really) that this is the kind of writing someone would actually take seriously reading from a script

this whole plot between them from the start has been dumb so even after all this i didn't really feel much since i just didn't care
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I think I would've liked this episode more and even the anime more if I had not read the Web Novel before hand.

Naofumi is definitely portrayed as a more heroic and a more general perhaps Shounen 'protagonist' kind of person. Naofumi in the WN is a vengeful prick who is repulsed by the very thought of Myne. I think someone else actually pointed it out already but Naofumi is the one who orders the execution of Myne and the King. Naofumi himself, very much like the King is blinded by his own hate towards Myne that the moment he realizes the Queen owes him, tries to take advantage of her to get these two executed. It's in fact the Queen who manipulates Naofumi into giving them a different punishment and he later realizes she just played him exactly the way she wanted.

I did not dislike this episode though, had a very triumphant feel to it especially at the very end when Naofumi walks away from the castle and I do like this sort of thing and it's nice to see anime Naofumi finally being cleared of his name and getting some appreciation from everyone.

Probably a great episode from an anime only viewpoint but as a WN reader, I think they changed far too much of the source material to the point it doesn't really feel like the same story anymore.
 
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Ok...so what could they possibly do in the 4 remaining episodes that would make for a better ending place than this? It seems like a very strange pacing decision. Surely they're intending to make at least another season, right?
 
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ohh yeaa very satisfying episode in deed and was hoping melty would join em at the end
 
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Myne Should have died, ma dudes. no mercy
 
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Myne Should have died, ma dudes. no mercy
 
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where does this episode match up to the manga chapter wise? 4 more episodes left i know for a fact i wont be happy with wherever they leave off this season. i need more lol

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After that clusterfuck of a batshit story arc with the pope that was awkward as hell and deus ex machina solution, this episode made it worth it.

This exceeded my expectations. I didn't expect it to go down this way at all, i was worried Myne was gonna get off easy, but at the same time it didn't look like they had any intention of killing her off... If anything this is the best way it could have gone down without just filthy vengeance or hand wave dumbshit... It was a little soft though, they should have been put to more humiliation, labour, non-physical torture and so on, so that their sentence is more agonizing than easy unfulfilling release via death. I'm sure a lot of the persistent humiliation is meant to be implied or perhaps shown more later, i dunno. It was cute that they gave some fanservice with the "bitch" thing, as i'm sure 2chan was also incessantly calling her that as well haha.

Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari, The Rising of the Shield Hero, is a redemption story, not a descention story. He's supposed to rise from nothing, not fall from grace.

Too many went into this show expecting masturbatory revenge plot... If you want that, go watch Jigoku Shoujo, it's literally that in droves. Tate no Yuusha is not MGTOW fanservice or echo chamber either, so those types can also get out. The story would have been exactly the same even if Naofumi was a girl.


People might quote certain source materials on the subject, and show that some was notable darker and more self-centred than the anime, but i also found that those factors are pretty variable between the WN, LN, and manga. They are each independent tellings, and as far as the anime goes, there's no better way to execute a redemption that would fit within the series runtime.
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