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May 29, 12:20 PM

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Bitch/slut got what was coming to her, hopefully she won't be an anymore eps lol.

 
May 29, 12:21 PM

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there were 3 scenes I was looking forward to.

first: naofumi snapping after the duel and turns to incoherent rage.
instead I got naofumi imagining raphtalia leaving him and he's very sad.

second: raphtalia showing no mercy to the asshole who tortured her.
instead I got raph going full "if I kill you I'll be no better than you"

third: naofumi outright ordering the queen to execute bitch and the king.
instead I got naofumi having nightmares about them dying, then the queen handling the execution which he willingly stopped.

I got robbed of all the good moments in this story. I hope the director is proud of himself for shitting up this show, removing all the interesting stuff.
Now somebody tell me, why did we need the island arc to be included? This ep was a "very good" place to stop in the story. should've spent the time on fleshing out important parts.
He did it only because he saw queen having problem to execute them. (you heard her if he didnt stop it, she will try to beg for their lives)
 
May 29, 12:22 PM
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YES! GREATEST EPISODE! REVENGE IS SWEET!
 
May 29, 12:23 PM
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It felt like this was the last episode.
 
May 29, 12:27 PM
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That was the most satisfying punishment that they could get. One of the best episodes yet
 
May 29, 12:27 PM

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HAHAHA BITCH! gottem xD
 
May 29, 12:27 PM

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Such an amazing episode!

I'm so glad those two finally got what they deserved!

Probably one of the most satisfying episodes in anime

Only 4 episodes left now, I'm curious what will happen yet
 
May 29, 12:27 PM

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Oh my god this is the most SATISFYING EPISODE ever! Everytime Slut/bitch screamed I felt so so so good! It was worth all 21 episode to see trash and bitch get punished. I'm so happy! I couldn't have asked more.


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May 29, 12:29 PM
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MY GOD, FINALLY. Those two got what they deserved, and they will finally drop that stupid "SHIELD DEMON" shit. That was way too cheezy for me to take seriously. Just hope the hate train of Naofumi actually ends, cause I'm pretty tired of him just getting shat on by 90% of the cast while being portrayed as the only sentient being with more than half a brain cell. But really, "Bitch" and "Trash" was just so fucking genius, I was laughing hard, it was just perfect. Also, this episode was really good all around, Naofumi was arguably his best at this episode, still an asshole, but a benevolent asshole who picks up on the subtle things to make the right decision. All this episode was the payoff to a 20 episode arc(or multiple arcs depending on how you look at it) but the last scene was the real payoff, not only did the assholes get what they deserved but Naofumi as well, all the lies the manipulation are all gone after a borderline torture scene. Still, I gotta ask just how desperate was Myne? She was just making herself look even worse, not to mention, after a point, you would think she would think twice before lying to their faces knowing she would be electrocuted. I know the queen said she was a PATHOLOGICAL liar, but still, she came off as a bit stupid. Also, hope we get to know the reason why the King hates the Shield hero before this season wraps up.
 
May 29, 12:40 PM

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I see some people complaining the manga and light novel handled this better, and while I sort of agree (edgy Naofumi > anime Naofumi), I still found myself enjoying this episode quite a bit. Nothing was out of character for these incarnations of the Shield Hero characters (Naofumi not demanding execution, etc. etc.). The soundtrack was just as good as it has been the past few episodes, as well. Are they really just going to drop him needing a month to recover, though? That's a giant oversight if I've ever seen one. This was 21 odd weeks in the making and it was pretty satisfying. I feel fulfilled with this episode.
 
May 29, 12:46 PM

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Again the Anime just show Naofumi in a more heroic light, why?

In the LN and manga, it's Naofumi who ask that Malty to be executed on the spot and the queen reject that decision and suggest something else and that how they come up with the "Trash" and "bitch" names. The king isn't even a bad guy he's just blinded by his hatred to the shield hero

Besides, the queen ordering her husband and daughter to be executed on the spot line in her character moving forward, in the LN/Manga she manipulated Naofumi into sparing them actually which show how badass and smart she is. Here she was just about to beg Naofumi to spare these 2 instead
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May 29, 12:58 PM
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Great episode, they got what they deserve bitch and trash 😂. Sad to see Melty leave. But the Queen is a great character.
 
May 29, 1:00 PM

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Earlier episodes were annoyingly bad, this one was hilariously bad. This show became an isekai porody at some point with its abysmal writing.
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May 29, 1:01 PM

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Looks like some important scenes were changed, based on some people's comments here.

Despite that I still screamed and partied as I saw bitch scream and cry in agony. Guess I can enjoy her just desserts in different ways if I decide to look at the light/web novel lol
 
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Again the Anime just show Naofumi in a more heroic light, why?

In the LN and manga, it's Naofumi who ask that Malty to be executed on the spot and the queen reject that decision and suggest something else and that how they come up with the "Trash" and "bitch" names. The king isn't even a bad guy he's just blinded by his hatred to the shield hero

Besides, the queen ordering her husband and daughter to be executed on the spot doesn't make sense with her character moving forward in the series

If such is so, that means the producers here understand that pondering to questionable desires of an average (read=simpleton) watcher is the most succesful way to gain popularity and ratings. The worst thing is, they are right. They are trashing the original to receive scores. Worst you can do to an art - ponder to the mass at the expense of art.
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Top 10 most satisfying anime moment.

On the other side, the one time I actually want something like sex slave or rape just because of the BITCH LOL
 
May 29, 1:05 PM
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Hey, it turns out the queen actually holds more power, so she can dethrone the king. And it turns out she has been held away from setting things right this whole time by the need to go around to the other countries and talk to them - for several MONTHS.

Sigh. There really should have been a better way to clear the Shield Hero from suspicion and punish the responsible.

And since when do you set a murderer free, just changing her name? These two should be forced to do hard labor. Or be slaves in some other way.

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Devil_Slayer said:
Again the Anime just show Naofumi in a more heroic light, why?

In the LN and manga, it's Naofumi who ask that Malty to be executed on the spot and the queen reject that decision and suggest something else and that how they come up with the "Trash" and "bitch" names. The king isn't even a bad guy he's just blinded by his hatred to the shield hero

Besides, the queen ordering her husband and daughter to be executed on the spot doesn't make sense with her character moving forward in the series

If such is so, that means the producers here understand that pondering to questionable desires of an average (read=simpleton) watcher is the most succesful way to gain popularity and ratings. The worst thing is, they are right. They are trashing the original to receive scores. Worst you can do to an art - ponder to the mass at the expense of art.


It was indeed sloppily done. You mean "pander", though. I was pondering whether to tell you.
 
May 29, 1:06 PM
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Again the Anime just show Naofumi in a more heroic light, why?

In the LN and manga, it's Naofumi who ask that Malty to be executed on the spot and the queen reject that decision and suggest something else and that how they come up with the "Trash" and "bitch" names. The king isn't even a bad guy he's just blinded by his hatred to the shield hero

Besides, the queen ordering her husband and daughter to be executed on the spot line in her character moving forward, in the LN/Manga she manipulated Naofumi into sparing them actually which show how badass and smart she is. Here she was just about to beg Naofumi to spare these 2 instead

For example, remember the Log Horizon. Its main character (althought everyone else also got transported) is not overpowered through the roof by the "word of author", does have his own flaws and is not in a need of constant self-gratification through moral superiority. Was it a hit? In no way. The human is a hideous creature, as it can learn.
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Hey, it turns out the queen actually holds more power, so she can dethrone the king. And it turns out she has been held away from setting things right this whole time by the need to go around to the other countries and talk to them - for several MONTHS.

Sigh. There really should have been a better way to clear the Shield Hero from suspicion and punish the responsible.

And since when do you set a murderer free, just changing her name? These two should be forced to do hard labor. Or be slaves in some other way.

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If such is so, that means the producers here understand that pondering to questionable desires of an average (read=simpleton) watcher is the most succesful way to gain popularity and ratings. The worst thing is, they are right. They are trashing the original to receive scores. Worst you can do to an art - ponder to the mass at the expense of art.


It was indeed sloppily done. You mean "pander", though. I was pondering whether to tell you.

Thank you kind sir I got angry I started, in terms of IQ, to become equal to the most hardcore fanatics of this series.
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May 29, 1:08 PM

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Dissapointing. 2/5
 
May 29, 1:11 PM
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I'm not so sure about this one. Yes it was satisfying to see Myne and the King get punishment. However, what I don't understand is why so much was cut out. And why must Naofumi be shown as the noble type compared to the LN and Manga. I mean where was the twisted smile while saying "I'm trash right?". Why did he show some sort of humanity when he saw Myne and the King about to be executed. In the Manga his first thought was "That's not enough" not "This is wrong". FFS even the Queen suggested peeling off their skins if i'm not mistaken.

This is another example of the anime straying away from the LN and Manga. Am I fan of it, eh.


Edit: Went back to read the scene from the Manga, Naofumi was the one who wanted the execution. Queen said nah shit would get controversial. She suggested ripping off their arms and legs, flaying them alive. Queen was taking no shit.
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May 29, 1:14 PM

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Daniel_Naumov said:
Devil_Slayer said:
Again the Anime just show Naofumi in a more heroic light, why?

In the LN and manga, it's Naofumi who ask that Malty to be executed on the spot and the queen reject that decision and suggest something else and that how they come up with the "Trash" and "bitch" names. The king isn't even a bad guy he's just blinded by his hatred to the shield hero

Besides, the queen ordering her husband and daughter to be executed on the spot doesn't make sense with her character moving forward in the series

If such is so, that means the producers here understand that pondering to questionable desires of an average (read=simpleton) watcher is the most succesful way to gain popularity and ratings. The worst thing is, they are right. They are trashing the original to receive scores. Worst you can do to an art - ponder to the mass at the expense of art.

That doesn't excuse changing Naofumi's whole character, this event also has an impact on many scenes going forward and Naofumi being this nice guy goes against it all.

This whole situation was set up just to make Naofumi look good when he saves their lives because the queen wasn't forced at all to carry the execution if she didn't want it.

it also butchers the queen character from being a badass who actually played Naofumi into helpless queen who was about to beg him for her family life.
 
May 29, 1:20 PM

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Well it was kinda good-ish, but I kinda prefer that Malty and the King, get their heads chopped off.

So, the queen seems to have some reservations about killing the king and Malty, but Naofumi see through her........................... So a lesser punishment of naming the king as trash and Malty as Bitch Slut would be enough.

Man this was sooooo awesome that I have to watch it again.
 
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Man I'm satisfied with this episode, need more tbh.
 
May 29, 1:27 PM

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I'm not so sure about this one. Yes it was satisfying to see Myne and the King get punishment. However, what I don't understand is why so much was cut out. And why must Naofumi be shown as the noble type compared to the LN and Manga. I mean where was the twisted smile while saying "I'm trash right?". Why did he show some sort of humanity when he saw Myne and the King about to be executed. In the Manga his first thought was "That's not enough" not "This is wrong". FFS even the Queen suggested peeling off their skins if i'm not mistaken.

This is another example of the anime straying away from the LN and Manga. Am I fan of it, eh.


Edit: Went back to read the scene from the Manga, Naofumi was the one who wanted the execution. Queen said nah shit would get controversial. She suggested ripping off their arms and legs, flaying them alive. Queen was taking no shit.

The Queen was playing him for the most part tbh in that part and he was aware of it cuz she has no reason to torture them
 
May 29, 1:28 PM
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All I have to say is....FINALLY! My patience with this series was wearing thin on nothing happening to the King and Malty.
 
May 29, 1:50 PM

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Very satisfying episode, it felt so good when every lie of Bitch was exposed. Of course neither the queen nor Naofumi were going to let them die, after all we are talking about her daughter and husband and in Naofumi's case, no matter how "edgy" he is, it is not the same to hate, hold a grudge and wish bad things happen to someone to have their life in your hands and let them die or kill them.

The punishment is more debatable, since not only did they fucked Naofumi or in Bitch's case, tried to kill Melty, but they also fucked the rest of the world, so the punishment may seem soft but I really don't know how much it can affect them so until I see it I reserve my opinion.

And it was a nice moment when, on leaving the castle, Naofumi met the people who had supported him, but sad the farewell with Melty, I hoped she would stay with them.

What I find curious is that nobody mentions the appearance of the green-haired girl from the opening, and I already like her but I wonder what role she'll play, because she looks like a main character but she's supposed to be in the archer's party so who knows.


 
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Bitch or slut?
I can't decide between either atm
 
May 29, 1:55 PM

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[quote=SkyLETV message=57710853]Very satisfying episode, it felt so good when every lie of Bitch was exposed. Of course neither the queen nor Naofumi were going to let them die, after all we are talking about her daughter and husband and in Naofumi's case, no matter how "edgy" he is, it is not the same to hate, hold a grudge and wish bad things happen to someone to have their life in your hands and let them die or kill them.

The punishment is more debatable, since not only did they fucked Naofumi or in Bitch's case, tried to kill Melty, but they also fucked the rest of the world, so the punishment may seem soft but I really don't know how much it can affect them so until I see it I reserve my opinion.

And it was a nice moment when, on leaving the castle, Naofumi met the people who had supported him, but sad the farewell with Melty, I hoped she would stay with them.

What I find curious is that nobody mentions the appearance of the green-haired girl from the opening, and I already like her but I wonder what role she'll play, because she looks like a main character but she's supposed to be in the archer's party so who knows.

I won't spoil anything but she pops up a bit later on
 
May 29, 1:59 PM
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I loved this episode. Not because of Naofumi's name being cleared - I stopped caring about it long time ago, and probably so did he. Thing that really won me was him not wanting to execute them: something I'd normally hate and call cheezy shounenish trope, but it felt so damn good here. I consider it culmination of his development (rehabilitation? lol), as such decision would be impossible for him in early episodes.
To be honest I wish it ended here. That was perfect way to end anime. No idea what will happen next, but I doubt there will be more suitable ending.
 
May 29, 2:00 PM

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Top 10 most satisfying anime moment.

On the other side, the one time I actually want something like sex slave or rape just because of the BITCH LOL


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May 29, 2:04 PM

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I really wanted the other three heros (especially the speer idiot) to apologize to Naofumi and openly admit their mistakes... instead they just pretend to be best buddies now like they didn't mistreat him.

But bitch and trash got what they deserved. :)
 
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This adaption was fucking awful. They've completely changed Naofumi and the Queen was also not as badass as she was in the source. This episode was disappointing.


Web Novel
Light Novel
Manga
Anime

All of them did this entire scene differently.

All of them but the Anime had Raphtalia and the Queen trying to convince Naofumi not to kill Malty and the King.

I guess the anime doesn't want him to be the anti-hero anymore.

However, as you say, it kind of makes the Queen feel weaker. She basically manipulated Naofumi into sparing their lives, so she could use them as a way to prove that she has the power and everyone must bow to her. Naofumi knew he was being used, but since she let him have input into their punishment, he went along with it. However, in some sources it made the queen show she did have a tiny tiny bit of familial concern for them, in others she seemed just as happy to see them suffer.

As an Anime only patron I'm quite happy and satisfied with what was depicted so frankly don't give a rats ass about other versions. You all can make your comparisons and bitch about it till the sun fizzles out and never feel satisfied because all of you here know too much and off course overthink things as usual. This is why having too much information and insight in something is not always a good thing.
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May 29, 2:24 PM
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Again this was so damn different from the manga, like literally, but I knew they'd change things up considering that they had Naofumi be all soft when Raph was about to kill the person that tortured her.

I'm not even mad at this, the way they handled scenes were great, I actually prefer this over the manga for some reason, just felt more satisfying.
For anyone curious on how it went there, here.

They first went in and barged while Trash king was still on the throne, queen literally dethrones him and iced his ass out of that seat, and then.



Overall, I'm satisfied with the conclusion, here I was sure they were gonna fuck it up, loved how I was proven wrong.
How did it go in the LN? cause in the manga they made it seem as if Naofumi got played by the queen via having bitch and trash beg Naofumi to save the world and it was also the queen that initiated the idea of the other method besides execution.
The anime had Naofumi come into terms with it and as the queen said Nao may have seen through her that she was all along planning to have herself die instead of her daughter and husband.
This was a major up compared to the manga, I enjoyed the hell out of this episode. 4 more to go.
 
May 29, 2:26 PM
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I can only say one thing that everyone can agree on. "We were all wanting, waiting, and watching this episode with greatness."
 
May 29, 2:32 PM

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Finally anime-onlys can enjoy this sweet revenge that manga readers have been sitting on for the past 20 weeks
 
May 29, 2:40 PM

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Getting stripped of title and status plus having to live the rest of their lives in shame and humiliation is really harsher than a quick painless death. Imagine the constant psychological and emotional trauma they'll have to endure from now on; I wouldn't be surprised if one of them committed suicide after they break under all that strain brought about by overwhelming distress.
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I was waiting for this episode to dropped the show, look I'm not that big of a fan of the manga but at least it was a little bit interesting. In the manga Naofumi is absolutely ecstatic at the idea of having a revenge, he wants them dead and enjoy every last bit of their punishment. Now Naofumi is your good old kind hearted hero who find all of the solution by still giving them a punishment but keeping them alive because of "his remorse". There is no development of character Naofumi is already kind, have the ability to forgive and is considered by everyone a hero
. So yeah every character is becoming bland, there is nothing to develop anymore, nothing to keep the show going. A clear drop for me.
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This is why having too much information and insight in something is not always a good thing.


That's just like your opinion man

I liked the way the anime did it better, than any of them. But some people enjoy comparing different versions.

 
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The Queen is hot...can we not just agree on that much? Like oof. This felt like a rushed season finale more than anything. I don't see how much can be covered in the next 4 weeks without major content cutting. If anything, this should have been the last episode and if ratings and profits were good enough...a season 2 would be arranged.
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May 29, 3:05 PM
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I think we've all been waiting for this to happen. Definitely very satisfying to see Myne get what she deserves. However, I do think the execution of it all could've been better. Too needlessly sexualized at times and the way all the frustrations suddenly just vanished so quickly almost made it leave a void afterwards. Like it felt like a rushed final episode except it's not even the final episode at all. Idk

Still a great watch though, but could've been better still

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Wow, it took Naofumi a whole month to recover?? Using the Rage Mode Shield really has some serious, lasting consequences!! Good thing his loli waifu harem was fawning over him the whole time. Better yet, his injury gives him an excuse to swan about in front of the MILF queen with his ripped chest and abs on full display. No doubt she'll be contacting him later for a discrete assignation. With the king disgraced and a royal heir already secured, there's nothing to stop her from getting a little Hero ass on the side.

Apart from the obvious fanservice for the self-inserts, even more plot conveniences emerge this episode. The queen supposedly left a single lord in charge, but he just happened to be killed by the first wave. Lazy writing, anyone? What's more, all of this is being explained after the fact, in a boring exposition dump; proving that there was no reason to keep it a "secret" from the audience all along, as the revelation has no bearing on the story whatsoever. It's just a post-hoc justification for the contrived setup of the first episode.

Once again, the complete lack of skill on the part of the author and show writers is apparent, in that their entire story hinges on contrivances layered on conveniences. Good writing doesn't matter; all that matters is propping up this half-assed story so that the self-insert justice porn can happen.

As if we need additional examples of how terrible and one-dimensional these characters are, when the queen informs Naofumi that he will be rewarded, Raphtalia responds with "Naofumi Sama!!!" and Filo wonders if this will be enough money to buy lots of food. These characters are cardboard cutouts with no other purpose than to serve as waifu bait to salivating fanboys.

Speaking of which, the crowning moment of the episode is when Malty has the slave crest forcibly applied to her cleavage, followed by multiple shots of her bouncing tits as she is restrained and tortured. Anybody still want to argue that the location of the slave seal isn't for cheap fanservice? Notice that we don't get to see thing King's chest at any point. Funny, that.

The rest of the episode isn't worth mentioning except in passing; it's just a continuation of the justice porn and self-insert fanservice. If this is what "one of the better another world stories" has been building towards, I am not impressed. But of course people are already blaming the adaptation for being bad and pulling punches; anything to avoid facing the reality of how garbage this series really is.

Edit: Also, I like how when the church is abolished nobody gives a shit. They're like "sounds good!" and toss their pendants into the square. What happened to all the history with the devil of the shield that made it so easy for everyone to hate him? I guess the story just got tired of having people hate on the shield hero for no reason, so now they are okay with him for no reason.


Did we watch the same show? Because you don't seem to understand.

Naofumi was sleeping for 3 days, he will be fully recovered in 1 month.

The king did genuinely hating Naofumi. He really believes the Shield Hero is a devil. He does not have a reason to lie whereas Malty is a pathological liar. Hell, she lied to the end even though she were suffering.

Peasants just obey the monarchy. Monarch says believe this church, they do it. Monarch says believe this shit, they will do it. History proves this.
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This episode would have been a logical stopping place. We’ll see where the final 4 episodes. All in all, I’ve really enjoyed the series.

It was a little anti-climatic to see Bitch and Trash finally revealed.
 
May 29, 3:19 PM
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one of my friends told me this episode was gonna be funny


i laughed harder than i should have XD
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May 29, 3:21 PM

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HUGE improvement over the pope fight. The bitch finally got what she deserves.
 
May 29, 3:25 PM

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Did we watch the same show? Because you don't seem to understand.

Naofumi was sleeping for 3 days, he will be fully recovered in 1 month.

That makes it even more hilarious. What is it going to take a full month to heal? He's up and about and making an ass of himself after three days.

Are we watching the same show?
 
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That makes it even more hilarious. What is it going to take a full month to heal? He's up and about and making an ass of himself after three days.

Are we watching the same show?


Did you ever had a bone fracture or any surgery at all? Just because you can walk or move your arms does not mean you are fine.
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May 29, 3:43 PM

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yo ppl i feel like raphtalia and filo's entire characters at this point are just how much they love naofumi. anyone else? just me?
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hiraishinx said:
He did it only because he saw queen having problem to execute them. (you heard her if he didnt stop it, she will try to beg for their lives)


THat's not really how the episode set it up. He had the dream about it and asked himself if he really wanted that. He was really struggling with whether he wanted to see them executed or not. He wasn't even looking at the queen when he halted the exectution. He halted it because Malty called out to him and he felt regret at watching her die.
 
May 29, 3:50 PM
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At the start of this show, I personally loved the fact that Naofumi was a vindictive, vengeful asshole (rightfully so) and it really did separate him from all of the other generic isekai MC's. However that being said, I'm also glad his character went through a major development and decided to be more noble. This decision doesn't make him similar to all other "noble" isekai MC's like Kirito because unlike the rest of them, Naofumi DEVELOPED into that character, rather than just starting out like that with no development. This is what separates him from the other archetypal MC's, despite behaving potentially similarly to them. In the manga I honestly think he was over the top and caricature-like in this scene, and although that may have been more satisfying to the audience (and me), it showed that his character hadn't really developed.

However the episode wasn't perfect and the thing I especially wanted to see was the reason why trash king hated the shield hero so much, instead of delving into his past they decided to just make him a typical evil prick with no explanation of his motivations, which makes him a badly written antagonist.

 
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Oonokami said:
Did you ever had a bone fracture or any surgery at all? Just because you can walk or move your arms does not mean you are fine.

Does he have a bone fracture? Oh, we don't know, because the story didn't bother to tell us.

It's just narrative fluff to make the Shield nonsense seem more serious than it actually is - in other words, not at all.
 
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