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May 21, 11:20 AM

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So r/anime is celebrating 1 million subscribers and as if to symbolize what this really means for the community over there, a post was removed today for being "more than lightly NSFW" according to the OP in this comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/brbh0g/megami_magazine_may_2019_posters/eoc33wl/?context=3

A slightly edited copy-paste of my reply in the same thread:

"I'm so sick of this nonsense. Since when is anime for children? I'm sure the vast majority of the anime fans on this sub and in general like anime for it's more adult nature compared to most western animation. I'm an adult and I want to enjoy my adult hobby without being infantalized. Why must I be treated like a child because there might be some children reading the sub?

The omitted pictures aren't even extremely sexual. Certainly nothing that children need to be shielded from. There isn't any nipple and certainly nothing beyond that. It's not as if there aren't plenty of anime-related subreddits that show that kind of content so why does r/anime choose to censor? This is the biggest anime subreddit that should surely be most representative of not only what the community wants but what anime is - a highly adult themed medium, especially when it comes to sexual content.

I won't even start on the double standards when it comes to violent content, apart from this brief mention.

It's complete nonsense."

Here is a link to the original album:
https://imgur.com/a/4Kc6QNK

The pictures are from Megami magazine, which is a pretty big deal to the community. But r/anime hasl ong since ceased to be representative of all the community. Only the parts which are palettable for the average Redditor.

This may seem like a small deal but it really isn't. As more and more people come over the r/anime and become anime "fans", their perception is going to be based on the content of that subreddit. By censoring content like this, r/anime is choosing to further divide the 'normie' side of the community from the side that defines anime as a subculture. Nevermind the huge divide that already exists between Japanese Otaku and the people in the portion of western fans who try to use western values to pass judgment and spread hate.

I want to believe in the mods over there as they have always been pretty good in the past, as evidenced by their open letter to the Reddit admins regarding loli content (which predictably went no where). I think the most likely thing is that they are being strong-armed by those same Reddit admins. I just kind of wished they would have more balls. There are plenty of anime-related subs who play much closer to the edge of what they can get away with and don't have a million subscribers ready to give Reddit hell if anything were to happen to the sub.
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May 21, 11:29 AM
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you already said the reason of the strict rules there and that is reddit's vague and very very selective enforcement of their new rules, /r/anime being one of the biggest subreddit for anime (another is /r/manga) will surely be monitored by the reddit admins anyway

reddit like any other big social media sites are trying to be more advertiser friendly

but im sure /r/anime will continue to grow for discussions alone
 
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Looking at the album, the Domekano pic definitely wouldn't even fly here on MAL if the mods caught it, fam. It looks like she's touching herself there considering her hand placement, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're hitting you for in of itself. Going by MAL rules again and assuming they're about at a similar level, the Sensei pic has the shape of a nipple being presented through the foam if you look closely, which wouldn't fly here if it was caught, and the Grisaia pic has a bare ass. Thong pics and such have flown here before, but I don't think a bare ass would, from what I know of the rules.

I don't know how tight/loose r/anime rules are on this type of content, though, but I know MAL wouldn't let some of this stuff fly in a forum set or anything either. Maybe instead of running over to MAL with this weird ass rhetoric about how the mods there are kowtowing to the average reddit user and the western hatred and r/anime mods being strongarmed by reddit admins and blah blah blah, you just, like, go over to the mods and ask what the offending pictures were and ask if you can repost with those omitted? Like a sensible person?

Or try to find a good NSFW or ecchi subreddit or club or whatever and join up with those guys and just fuck off of r/anime all together if you wanna post stuff like this and not face backlash or mod tantrums about it. That's generally easier for pic sharing and such anyway, because they'll be geared around this sort of thing.

More public facing representation of this type of content on larger boards like here or r/anime works better as being discourse oriented, if that's your concern, given the current climate for anime lewds whenever the topic invariably pops up on them. You can't effectively fight anything if you're getting modded constantly, people need to be rallied to try to encourage an environment where those rules would be loosened a bit first.

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I agree with what they did, even better they should ban all images of female characters.
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deg said:
you already said the reason of the strict rules there and that is reddit's vague and very very selective enforcement of their new rules, /r/anime being one of the biggest subreddit for anime (another is /r/manga) will surely be monitored by the reddit admins anyway

reddit like any other big social media sites are trying to be more advertiser friendly

but im sure /r/anime will continue to grow for discussions alone
Reddit does not ban NSFW — there are entire subreddits dedicated to pornography on that website.
 
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Sphinxter said:
deg said:
you already said the reason of the strict rules there and that is reddit's vague and very very selective enforcement of their new rules, /r/anime being one of the biggest subreddit for anime (another is /r/manga) will surely be monitored by the reddit admins anyway

reddit like any other big social media sites are trying to be more advertiser friendly

but im sure /r/anime will continue to grow for discussions alone
Reddit does not ban NSFW — there are entire subreddits dedicated to pornography on that website.


Yeah, but they're cracking down hard on loli content and CP, so I guess that's what happened in this instance.




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Sphinxter said:
deg said:
you already said the reason of the strict rules there and that is reddit's vague and very very selective enforcement of their new rules, /r/anime being one of the biggest subreddit for anime (another is /r/manga) will surely be monitored by the reddit admins anyway

reddit like any other big social media sites are trying to be more advertiser friendly

but im sure /r/anime will continue to grow for discussions alone
Reddit does not ban NSFW — there are entire subreddits dedicated to pornography on that website.


i know im have multireddits of those porn subreddits but im talking about underage porn that even those porn subreddits are banning now too due to reddits new rules on them

and my internet is slow right now so i cannot check the images that OP posted but if it has underage nude girls then ye that is censored there
 
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I thought it was a general understanding that Reddit has hit the fan years ago.... Reddit is nothing but a circlejerk of popular opinion and fans of anything from anime to cars is better off on a dedicated forum.
 
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Aastra343 said:
Sphinxter said:
Reddit does not ban NSFW — there are entire subreddits dedicated to pornography on that website.


Yeah, but they cracking down hard on loli content and CP, so I guess that's what happened in this instance.

I'm not really seeing many pics that'd get hit as loli by reddit or most websites still, though. They tend to go by body type and appearance as opposed to a character's specifically stated age, and pretty much all of the lewd pics in the album have pretty distinctly woman-ly physiques.

Then again, on services like Discord this rule has been enforced with the consistency and sensibility that you'd expect from a schizophrenic, so meh, I wouldn't be shocked if reddit was about as good as T&S at enforcing it.
 
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Aastra343 said:
Sphinxter said:
Reddit does not ban NSFW — there are entire subreddits dedicated to pornography on that website.


Yeah, but they're cracking down hard on loli content and CP, so I guess that's what happened in this instance.
I'm not seeing anything in that imgur album that looks remotely underage, especially with those braests...
 
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Manaban said:
Aastra343 said:


Yeah, but they cracking down hard on loli content and CP, so I guess that's what happened in this instance.

I'm not really seeing many pics that'd get hit as loli by reddit or most websites still, though. They tend to go by body type and appearance as opposed to a character's specifically stated age, and pretty much all of the lewd pics in the album have pretty distinctly woman-ly physiques.

Then again, on services like Discord this rule has been enforced with the consistency and sensibility that you'd expect from a schizophrenic, so meh, I wouldn't be shocked if reddit was about as good as T&S at enforcing it.


I agree with you, it's not really loli or CP, but the reddit admins have done stuff like this many times before. I mean, it's impossible to understand what they understand as CP or not: the consensus on character age or the portrayal of body attributes. Once in r/anime, they removed a Kaguya post just because she was flat chested, but I've seen the same lewding with Chika and no one batted an eye. Idk, reddit rules are really difficult to understand these days. There's no clarity about anything.




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Manaban said:
Looking at the album, the Domekano pic definitely wouldn't even fly here on MAL if the mods caught it, fam. It looks like she's touching herself there considering her hand placement, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're hitting you for in of itself. Going by MAL rules again and assuming they're about at a similar level, the Sensei pic has the shape of a nipple being presented through the foam and the Grisaia pic is a bare ass. Thong pics and such have flown here before, but I don't think a bare ass would, from what I know of the rules.

I don't know how tight/loose r/anime rules are on this type of content, though, but I know MAL wouldn't let some of this stuff fly in a forum set or anything either. Maybe instead of running over to MAL with this weird ass rhetoric about how the mods there are kowtowing to the average reddit user and the western hatred and r/anime mods being strongarmed by reddit admins and blah blah blah, you just, like, go over to the mods and ask what the offending pictures were and ask if you can repost with those omitted? Like a sensible person?

Or try to find a good NSFW or ecchi subreddit or club or whatever and join up with those guys and just fuck off of r/anime all together if you wanna post stuff like this and not face backlash or mod tantrums about it. That's generally easier for pic sharing and such anyway because they'll be geared around this sort of thing, and more public facing representation of this type of content on larger boards works better as being discourse oriented under the current climate for anime lewds whenever the topic invariably pops up.



To be clear, it wasn't my post that was removed. He did repost with the hideously offensive porn removed.

Doesn't it sound silly to go through drawings and be like "well, this one shows the outline of a nipple" or "her hand is over her vagina so it looks similar to masturbation" (even though it clearly isn't to any reasonable person)? Surely it seems to kind of redulculous? We're told it's to protect children but should it be the role of a community of adults to censor themselves because of curious kids? Kids can access anything on the internet. Should we just infantalize the entire internet?

As for finding other subs where the content is allowed, I am subbed to a number of such subs, but I find it silly that r/anime isn't inclusive of the whole community. It's r/anime not r/animebutSFW or r/animeforchildren. It should be as inclusive and representative as possible. I can understand if someone posted a picture of straight up hentai and nothing else. But this was a selection of images from Megami magazine in which some busybody has gone through with a fucking monocle and decided certain pictures just aren't suitable for us to see because it offends them. Well that offends me. And I'm not doing the childish "pretend I'm offended at other people being offended" thing. I'm genuinely offended at being treated like a child in the largest community hub for a hobby that is inherently mature in many more ways than not.
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Aastra343 said:
Manaban said:

I'm not really seeing many pics that'd get hit as loli by reddit or most websites still, though. They tend to go by body type and appearance as opposed to a character's specifically stated age, and pretty much all of the lewd pics in the album have pretty distinctly woman-ly physiques.

Then again, on services like Discord this rule has been enforced with the consistency and sensibility that you'd expect from a schizophrenic, so meh, I wouldn't be shocked if reddit was about as good as T&S at enforcing it.


I agree with you, it's not really loli or CP, but the reddit admins have done stuff like this many times before. I mean, it's impossible to understand what they understand as CP or not: the consensus on character age or the portrayal of body attributes. Once in r/anime, they removed a Kaguya post just because she was flat chested, but I've seen the same lewding with Chika and no one batted an eye. Idk, reddit rules are really difficult to understand these days. There's no clarity about anything.

Because pretty much every site that enforces rules on this makes it a matter of physique, which means retarded rule enforcement for the most part. What one person considers looking too underaged would not be the same across a team of moderators. A pretty clear threshold would need to be set and understood by all for what the board is considered possessing such a physique, and given that this is reddit's rule and not a board specific one that they're being left to enforce, it's questionable how effective it'd be to determine their own threshold and work with that if Reddit didn't work with them at all on it or anything.

It's unfortunate, but yeah, it does lead to a lot of blatantly BS moderating like that Kaguya/Chika example you brought up, where basically the only type of lewds that are okay are big tiddie lewds. Or they could be like Discord T&S, and enforce the rule with such little consistency in any area at all that you can't actually plan around it, and you pretty much just have to pray that your server doesn't get hit for something if you want to run a server that has anime lewds as a fixture on it.
 
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I thought it was a general understanding that Reddit has hit the fan years ago.... Reddit is nothing but a circlejerk of popular opinion and fans of anything from anime to cars is better off on a dedicated forum.

ye it's why I don't really like the upvote system, while it does help boost useful comments/posts to be more noticeable, it just promotes circlejerk mentality and general reposting/shitposting

OT: their reasoning:
This isn't a porn subreddit, and it shouldn't be treated as one. Though anime can get racy at times, we have a hard limit to keep this subreddit accessible to as many people as possible.

In fairness though, some of the images like the Rui and the Phantom Trigger ones are pretty lewdd
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imagine wasting time on r/anime, nice joke
 
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DiscoDespot said:
I thought it was a general understanding that Reddit has hit the fan years ago.... Reddit is nothing but a circlejerk of popular opinion and fans of anything from anime to cars is better off on a dedicated forum.


Eh. You're kind of right. I've been using MAL forums more and more as of late but there is still a certain level of acitvity and usability which makes Reddit appealing.
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Doesn't it sound silly to go through drawings and be like "well, this one shows the outline of a nipple" or "her hand is over her vagina so it looks similar to masturbation" (even though it clearly isn't to any reasonable person)? Surely it seems to kind of redulculous? We're told it's to protect children but should it be the role of a community of adults to censor themselves because of curious kids? Kids can access anything on the internet. Should we just infantalize the entire internet?

As for finding other subs where the content is allowed, I am subbed to a number of such subs, but I find it silly that r/anime isn't inclusive of the whole community. It's r/anime not r/animebutSFW or r/animeforchildren. It should be as inclusive and representative as possible. I can understand if someone posted a picture of straight up hentai and nothing else. But this was a selection of images from Megami magazine in which some busybody has gone through with a fucking monocle and decided certain pictures just aren't suitable for us to see.

You and I don't disagree on that. Like, at all. I fucking hate that environment and mentality and do want it to be changed, even, but surely we can play around it in a way that's better than running to a different site all together to try to make an issue of it like *this* >_>

At the end of the day, all I'm going to see this type of approach to this problem doing is making things more difficult in terms of dealing with the people who *do* want this type of environment to be a thing, whenever you've got this whole cadre of weird accusations you want to start throwing out as the cause, as opposed to being a bit more civil and nuanced about it.

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OT: their reasoning:
This isn't a porn subreddit, and it shouldn't be treated as one. Though anime can get racy at times, we have a hard limit to keep this subreddit accessible to as many people as possible.

"Fuck off if you wanna have ecchi pics around, because we're going to be accessible to as many people as possible."

Naisu.

There's a balance that needs to be struck in what can be allowed and what can't, I guess, to try to appease both parties with contradicting views in what they want to be able to express and display. This just makes it sound like routing one in favor of another.
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So r/anime is celebrating 1 million subscribers and as if to symbolize what this really means for the community over there, a post was removed today for being "more than lightly NSFW" according to the OP in this comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/brbh0g/megami_magazine_may_2019_posters/eoc33wl/?context=3

A slightly edited copy-paste of my reply in the same thread:

"I'm so sick of this nonsense. Since when is anime for children? I'm sure the vast majority of the anime fans on this sub and in general like anime for it's more adult nature compared to most western animation. I'm an adult and I want to enjoy my adult hobby without being infantalized. Why must I be treated like a child because there might be some children reading the sub?

The omitted pictures aren't even extremely sexual. Certainly nothing that children need to be shielded from. There isn't any nipple and certainly nothing beyond that. It's not as if there aren't plenty of anime-related subreddits that show that kind of content so why does r/anime choose to censor? This is the biggest anime subreddit that should surely be most representative of not only what the community wants but what anime is - a highly adult themed medium, especially when it comes to sexual content.

I won't even start on the double standards when it comes to violent content, apart from this brief mention.

It's complete nonsense."

Here is a link to the original album:
https://imgur.com/a/4Kc6QNK

The pictures are from Megami magazine, which is a pretty big deal to the community. But r/anime hasl ong since ceased to be representative of all the community. Only the parts which are palettable for the average Redditor.

This may seem like a small deal but it really isn't. As more and more people come over the r/anime and become anime "fans", their perception is going to be based on the content of that subreddit. By censoring content like this, r/anime is choosing to further divide the 'normie' side of the community from the side that defines anime as a subculture. Nevermind the huge divide that already exists between Japanese Otaku and the people in the portion of western fans who try to use western values to pass judgment and spread hate.

I want to believe in the mods over there as they have always been pretty good in the past, as evidenced by their open letter to the Reddit admins regarding loli content (which predictably went no where). I think the most likely thing is that they are being strong-armed by those same Reddit admins. I just kind of wished they would have more balls. There are plenty of anime-related subs who play much closer to the edge of what they can get away with and don't have a million subscribers ready to give Reddit hell if anything were to happen to the sub.



I'm confused, was this allowed prior to reddit's supposed rise to popularity? Are there any examples you can give where violent content is allowed? Aside from that, OP stated that mods said it was considered lightly NSFW (I bolded this from your post above to give context for the next tidbit). I'm only taking OP's word from this, so idk if it's something they actually said. However, if the mods did say this and took it down, I would understand why it was unfair:
Submissions and comments containing lightly NSFW content are acceptable. This means underwear, bikinis, cleavage, butts, and light fanservice is fine. Things that are not lightly NSFW include female nipples, genitals of either gender, heavily implied sexual content, and sexual contact between characters.


YossaRedMage, please add this quote above because we on MAL, including myself, don't know the rules and how they differ from reddit. Thus, we are more prone to judge based on the rules here. This will give more context, since you vaguely post about how they don't show nipples in these images. Yet, many can still consider it NSFW and fair of a deleted submission because it's still in a very sexual pose in a very revealing outfit, as well as lack thereof in some of them.

I personally don't care for reddit, since it's a voting-based system that heavily relies on the popular consensus through karma. It never appealed to the smaller underdog, but rather popularity. No one in my opinion had "balls" to begin with. Thus I don't understand your connection to the "normies", as if that's what's causing everything.

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Well, I only got to the Rui picture in the album, and that one already definitely goes over the bounds of non-NSFW-dedicated subreddits. This would probably not even fly on r/Animemes, much less r/anime.

r/anime is the central subreddit for anime with 1 million subscribers. While it might not seem so from the people that are actually active posters/commenters, most of that one whopping million people are casual anime watchers - you know, shounen, maybe a few sci-fi or slice of life shows. It should stay casual-friendly - there are specialized heavy NSFW subs, tons of them, for those who want that kind of stuff. Most r/anime lurkers do not fall into that category.

 
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OT: their reasoning:
This isn't a porn subreddit, and it shouldn't be treated as one. Though anime can get racy at times, we have a hard limit to keep this subreddit accessible to as many people as possible.

In fairness though, some of the images like the Rui and the Phantom Trigger ones are pretty lewdd


That reasoning is just so backwards though. Ok so more people will come to the sub, but the content will be watered down and distorted. It's inclusivity of content vs inclusivity of fandom. But - and I'll catch hell for this but I've long since given up apologizing for gatekeeping - what sort of "fan" are you getting by removing elements of something to bring more people in? It's like if you had a group that all liked Pizza, but you then banned cheese because some people are lactose intolerant. No meat, of course, because of vegetarians. Are you really a fan of Pizza if you are just eating tomato sauce on bread?

There is a basic principle here. r/anime is choosing to sacrifice the integrity of what makes anime what it is, just to get more people in the sub. Why? The community is big enough. There will be no benefit to having more people. It's not like a YouTube channel where someone is getting paid more for more subs (is it? I'm assuming there) ... So... Why?

Their answer will of course be, "well you can go somewhere else for that content" but r/anime has almost a monopoly on anime conversation, especially if you don't count this forum. As I said in another comment, I have been using MAL forums more recently but there is still something to be said for the usability, acitvity and variety of conversation on r/anime.

So, yes we can go somewhere else for that content but it's not as if everything that would have been on r/anime will get posted elsewhere, many people just won't bother. I doubt that Megami album turned up elsewhere (on Reddit at least). The dude just had to censor himself and repost.

So we just end up with watered down content.
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Yeah, I've seen it. It's stupid and a shame, but it doesn't surprise me anymore. Reddit is being completely retarded as far as anime girls go lately. There seems to be a new policy where any nudity with anime girls that are teens or have a petite physique is forbidden or something like that. A subreddit with FGO comics banned like 20 of its characters ENTIRELY, even in non sexual stuff. It's complete idiocy.
I could understand it if it was meant to be a purely SFW site, but it's not, there are subreddits with some hardcore porn and gore so excluding some drawings like that is just nothing short of stupid.

I personally hate r/anime (to be frank I've been growing tired of reddit in general, it's one huge circlejerk) for anything more than news - discussion has no place in reddit. The whole upvote/downvote system actually discourages expressing any opinion that is unpopular. The whole 'cool points' or messages getting hidden if people don't like them is sheer retardation if you want people to exchange opinions.
Especially if you have some criticism against an anime the subreddit has currently a boner for. Your post/comment goes invisible in a matter of minutes.
Interesting posts get no traction, and instead every other day you see something like "I JUST WATCHED COWBOY BEBOP AND IT WAS GOOD" thing that no one will disagree with, there will be no discussion, just a bunch of circlejerking comments.
It fucking sucks. MAL and even /a/ are sooooo much better to discuss anime than reddit can ever be.

But even disregarding the silly system, the community does indeed seem too 'normie' for what's supposed to be anime community, people actively hate on some pretty standard anime things and it baffles me. It should all be hero academia for them.
 
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I think I might have upvoted your comment, but I pretty much agree with Manaban's first post in this thread. Some of the images that were removed are lewd as hell, and even in the images that were allowed, many of those are pretty NSFW as well. /r/anime seems to be mostly for serious discussion and episode-based content anyway rather than fanarts or looking at nice pictures of anime girls. It's been that way for years; that's just the type of sub it is.

Overall I don't really care. I don't think that it's a big deal that they removed the images, but I wouldn't mind if the images were allowed either.


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YossaRedMage, please add this quote above because we on MAL, including myself, don't know the rules and how they differ from reddit. Thus, we are more prone to judge based on the rules here. This will give more context, since you vaguely post about how they don't show nipples in these images. Yet, many can still consider it NSFW and fair of a deleted submission because it's still in a very sexual pose in a very revealing outfit, as well as lack thereof in some of them.


My point doesn't really take the rules in to consideration though. I'm talking about the principle. If it is the rules that got the pictures removed, then it's the rules that are wrong. I'm not really interested in whether this was or wasn't a good interpretation of the rules (which are very vague to begin with), rather I'm interested in the discussion of whether the actions taken (the censorship) is the right thing in the first place for a community hub that should be representative of the whole community.

To repeat what I said in another comment because I feel it's really succinctly sums up my point:

"It's inclusivity of content vs inclusivity of fandom. But - and I'll catch hell for this but I've long since given up apologizing for gatekeeping - what sort of "fan" are you getting by removing elements of something to bring more people in? It's like if you had a group that all liked Pizza, but you then banned cheese because some people are lactose intolerant. No meat, of course, because of vegetarians. Are you really a fan of Pizza if you are just eating tomato sauce on bread?

There is a basic principle here. r/anime is choosing to sacrifice the integrity of what makes anime what it is, just to get more people in the sub. Why? The community is big enough. There will be no benefit to having more people. It's not like a YouTube channel where someone is getting paid more for more subs (is it? I'm assuming there) ... So... Why?
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Isn't this question better suited as a message to the mods of r/anime? Why don't you ask them since they are the ones who direct the subreddit? Or did you already try and get no response back?

I use Reddit but heavily dislike most subs because of inconsistent moderation, but it's always worth a shot to try and talk with them.

And I don't think NSFW stuff is representative of the anime community. Not at all.




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Manaban said:
Short_Circut said:
OT: their reasoning:

"Fuck off if you wanna have ecchi pics around, because we're going to be accessible to as many people as possible."

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YossaRedMage said:
DiscoDespot said:


OT: their reasoning:

In fairness though, some of the images like the Rui and the Phantom Trigger ones are pretty lewdd


That reasoning is just so backwards though. Ok so more people will come to the sub, but the content will be watered down and distorted. It's inclusivity of content vs inclusivity of fandom. But - and I'll catch hell for this but I've long since given up apologizing for gatekeeping - what sort of "fan" are you getting by removing elements of something to bring more people in? It's like if you had a group that all liked Pizza, but you then banned cheese because some people are lactose intolerant. No meat, of course, because of vegetarians. Are you really a fan of Pizza if you are just eating tomato sauce on bread?

There is a basic principle here. r/anime is choosing to sacrifice the integrity of what makes anime what it is, just to get more people in the sub. Why? The community is big enough. There will be no benefit to having more people. It's not like a YouTube channel where someone is getting paid more for more subs (is it? I'm assuming there) ... So... Why?

Their answer will of course be, "well you can go somewhere else for that content" but r/anime has almost a monopoly on anime conversation, especially if you don't count this forum. As I said in another comment, I have been using MAL forums more recently but there is still something to be said for the usability, acitvity and variety of conversation on r/anime.

So, yes we can go somewhere else for that content but it's not as if everything that would have been on r/anime will get posted elsewhere, many people just won't bother. I doubt that Megami album turned up elsewhere (on Reddit at least). The dude just had to censor himself and repost.

So we just end up with watered down content.

I think you quoted the wrong person lel

But yea, I don't really understand it much either. I would've understood it if it prevented the subreddit from gaining recognition (as NSFW subreddits are usually hidden at first sight) but there still are subreddits like r/art that do have NSFW posts making r/all from time to time. I can get behind disallowing straight up hentai fanart but I think it really is a lack of proper communication as to what is considered too lewd or not
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YossaRedMage said:


There is a basic principle here. r/anime is choosing to sacrifice the integrity of what makes anime what it is


No, you're making a fundamental mistake here. This isn't an integral part of what "makes anime what it is". It's not as essential to anime as cheese is to pizza. It is not representative of the entire anime community.

r/anime is the central anime sub, and thus the priority should be for it to be as accessible as possible - unlike literally every other anime subreddit. Heavy NSFW alienates lots of casuals, while no NSFW doesn't alienate anyone - you don't need it to be on r/anime.

 
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Go back and stay there. No one cares about your other website's drama.
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Well, I only got to the Rui picture in the album, and that one already definitely goes over the bounds of non-NSFW-dedicated subreddits. This would probably not even fly on r/Animemes, much less r/anime.

r/anime is the central subreddit for anime with 1 million subscribers. While it might not seem so from the people that are actually active posters/commenters, most of that one whopping million people are casual anime watchers - you know, shounen, maybe a few sci-fi or slice of life shows. It should stay casual-friendly - there are specialized heavy NSFW subs, tons of them, for those who want that kind of stuff. Most r/anime lurkers do not fall into that category.


The problem is that in order to remain 'casual friendly' Reddit discriminates against many long time fans for the sake of keeping the casual crowd safe from 'bad' parts of the anime community. Like it or not, casual fans need to understand that there is more to the anime community than One Punch Man memes and r/anime should reflect the anime community as a whole, not just what the majority wants to see.

Anime is a huge (and often lewd) medium, ignoring all the facets of it for the sake of keeping easily offended individuals safe makes r/anime into r/sociallyacceptableanimefans.



 
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"I'm so sick of this nonsense. Since when is anime for children? I'm sure the vast majority of the anime fans on this sub and in general like anime for it's more adult nature compared to most western animation. I'm an adult and I want to enjoy my adult hobby without being infantalized. Why must I be treated like a child because there might be some children reading the sub?"

That's a really big oof from me dawg.

Anyway r/anime can shove it.
I stopped visiting that place the moment I realized they don't know shit about mecha and the huge circlejerks.

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I personally hate r/anime (to be frank I've been growing tired of reddit in general, it's one huge circlejerk) for anything more than news - discussion has no place in reddit. The whole upvote/downvote system actually discourages expressing any opinion that is unpopular. The whole 'cool points' or messages getting hidden if people don't like them is sheer retardation if you want people to exchange opinions.
Especially if you have some criticism against an anime the subreddit has currently a boner for. Your post/comment goes invisible in a matter of minutes.
Interesting posts get no traction, and instead every other day you see something like "I JUST WATCHED COWBOY BEBOP AND IT WAS GOOD" thing that no one will disagree with, there will be no discussion, just a bunch of circlejerking comments.
It fucking sucks. MAL and even /a/ are sooooo much better to discuss anime than reddit can ever be.

But even disregarding the silly system, the community does indeed seem too 'normie' for what's supposed to be anime community, people actively hate on some pretty standard anime things and it baffles me. It should all be hero academia for them.
Pretty much my same thoughts lol.

As for discussing anime on /a/, don't go to it if you want to talk about mecha.
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Yeah, I've seen it. It's stupid and a shame, but it doesn't surprise me anymore. Reddit is being completely retarded as far as anime girls go lately. There seems to be a new policy where any nudity with anime girls that are teens or have a petite physique is forbidden or something like that. A subreddit with FGO comics banned like 20 of its characters ENTIRELY, even in non sexual stuff. It's complete idiocy.
I could understand it if it was meant to be a purely SFW site, but it's not, there are subreddits with some hardcore porn and gore so excluding some drawings like that is just nothing short of stupid.

I personally hate r/anime (to be frank I've been growing tired of reddit in general, it's one huge circlejerk) for anything more than news - discussion has no place in reddit. The whole upvote/downvote system actually discourages expressing any opinion that is unpopular. The whole 'cool points' or messages getting hidden if people don't like them is sheer retardation if you want people to exchange opinions.
Especially if you have some criticism against an anime the subreddit has currently a boner for. Your post/comment goes invisible in a matter of minutes.
Interesting posts get no traction, and instead every other day you see something like "I JUST WATCHED COWBOY BEBOP AND IT WAS GOOD" thing that no one will disagree with, there will be no discussion, just a bunch of circlejerking comments.
It fucking sucks. MAL and even /a/ are sooooo much better to discuss anime than reddit can ever be.

But even disregarding the silly system, the community does indeed seem too 'normie' for what's supposed to be anime community, people actively hate on some pretty standard anime things and it baffles me. It should all be hero academia for them.


Nu-MAL is basically a r/anime clone. Stay far far away from it. Normalfags and underages infest this place like no other.
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1. " I'm sure the vast majority of the anime fans on this sub and in general like anime for it's more adult nature compared to most western animation." you lost me with that line. Why do anime fans always have to put down western animation based on generalizations and stereotypes and prejudices? You could have made your point just as well without taking a random stab at western animation. I just find that to be kind of toxic. It's not different than 'normies' saying all anime is for children. But that just as a sidenote because these casual remarks always trigger me a bit.

2. The whole 'normie' vs 'subculture' thing just makes me cringe. I certainly don't see myself as being part of a subculture necessarily, only a community of people with a similar interest. To me anime is just a medium of entertainment and art that I really like, that I love even. But a lot of the stuff associated with the subculture (memes, waifu wars, shipping wars, anitubers, Light Novels, Visual Novels, gatcha games, jpop, kpop etc...) I actively dislike or they just aren't for me and others (cosplay, fanfic, seasonal discussions, jrpgs etc...) I can appreciate but don't really take part in them at all. Does that make me a 'normie'?

I'm probably still nerdier and more knowledgable about and involved with anime than most people on this site or that subreddit. The point is that that distinction makes no sense to me. Being an anime fan is already a nerdy hobby pretty far removed from my understanding of 'normies'. The people who care more about the subculture behind it than they care about the medium itself have always just been one side of the community. The other side being people like me who love anime as a medium but don't really care about most of the activities that represent the 'subculture' side of things. Most people involved with anime fall more on one side of that spectrum than the other. One isn't better or worse than the other, and both are pretty far removed from 'normies' in most cases.

3. The pics themselves don't seem like a big deal to me, maybe one or two borderline cases. But I also never cared about nsfw rulings or being able to post lewds on random forums so I'm not your targer audience. I can't motivate myself to outrage over something I care so little about. If they removed lolis from Nhentai, I'd be on the barricades, but I never have and never will use reddit and I never have and never will post random lewds on forums, so even if I'd agree that there was a problem here (which I'm still not sure about), I would not see it as my problem :>.

4. Discussing how much sense it makes to see porn and lewds as part of a subculture would be potentially interesting. I fap to doujins a lot, but I never really saw that as me partaking in the subculture. Just like fapping to pornhub doesn't make me feel like I'm partaking in western movie subculture. I see porn more as it's own thing, that exists as the sort of underbelly to every imaginable medium of entertainment out there, and simply takes different forms depending on what that medium is. I can't really agree with any one medium or subculture having a claim to sexual content or lewdness. That kind of stuff is everywhere and therefore not a defining characteristic of any specific medium.
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BaronBrixius said:
YossaRedMage said:


There is a basic principle here. r/anime is choosing to sacrifice the integrity of what makes anime what it is


No, you're making a fundamental mistake here. This isn't an integral part of what "makes anime what it is". It's not as essential to anime as cheese is to pizza. It is not representative of the entire anime community.

r/anime is the central anime sub, and thus the priority should be for it to be as accessible as possible - unlike literally every other anime subreddit. Heavy NSFW alienates lots of casuals, while no NSFW doesn't alienate anyone - you don't need it to be on r/anime.


Ay, but cheese isn't even essential for pizza. Ever heard of Marinara? From what I've heard that's even the original kind of pizza, the thing with the cheese only came later as an addition.

Just as a sidenote :>
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I'm not really sure where some anime fans of getting this impression that western animation is tame and Japanese anime is sexual and mature. I mean, we got South Park and Family Guy over here.

As for this subject though, I'd say you'd probably like /a/ a lot more than reddit. 4chan doesn't really censor anything.
 
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I'm not really sure where some anime fans of getting this impression that western animation is tame and Japanese anime is sexual and mature. I mean, we got South Park and Family Guy over here.

As for this subject though, I'd say you'd probably like /a/ a lot more than reddit. 4chan doesn't really censor anything.
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foxsuprise said:

YossaRedMage, please add this quote above because we on MAL, including myself, don't know the rules and how they differ from reddit. Thus, we are more prone to judge based on the rules here. This will give more context, since you vaguely post about how they don't show nipples in these images. Yet, many can still consider it NSFW and fair of a deleted submission because it's still in a very sexual pose in a very revealing outfit, as well as lack thereof in some of them.


My point doesn't really take the rules in to consideration though. I'm talking about the principle. If it is the rules that got the pictures removed, then it's the rules that are wrong. I'm not really interested in whether this was or wasn't a good interpretation of the rules (which are very vague to begin with), rather I'm interested in the discussion of whether the actions taken (the censorship) is the right thing in the first place for a community hub that should be representative of the whole community.

To repeat what I said in another comment because I feel it's really succinctly sums up my point:

"It's inclusivity of content vs inclusivity of fandom. But - and I'll catch hell for this but I've long since given up apologizing for gatekeeping - what sort of "fan" are you getting by removing elements of something to bring more people in? It's like if you had a group that all liked Pizza, but you then banned cheese because some people are lactose intolerant. No meat, of course, because of vegetarians. Are you really a fan of Pizza if you are just eating tomato sauce on bread?

There is a basic principle here. r/anime is choosing to sacrifice the integrity of what makes anime what it is, just to get more people in the sub. Why? The community is big enough. There will be no benefit to having more people. It's not like a YouTube channel where someone is getting paid more for more subs (is it? I'm assuming there) ... So... Why?


The only reason I can see it being unfair was the fact that they took it down since labeled it lightly NSFW, yet the rules states that they allow such content
What I label it as is different, but I see unfairness on r/anime's post on what gets taken down regardless if they said it was appropriate. The "priniciple" is where I argued in this paragraph:
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I personally don't care for reddit, since it's a voting-based system that heavily relies on the popular consensus through karma. It never appealed to the smaller underdog, but rather popularity. No one in my opinion had "balls" to begin with. Thus I don't understand your connection to the "normies", as if that's what's causing everything.
My point is that they always appealed to the masses, there was no point in time where it was different. It's just what the masses liked has changed. This is why I am asking you:
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I'm confused, was this allowed prior to reddit's supposed rise to popularity?
because was there a point in time in which the masses allowed a differing opinion and rule to their consensus? Was there a horde of people complaining w/o backlash about NGNL for example? or were people just commenting on how big fans they are and how they disagreed with the dislike of loli content.
The pizza in which the restaurant uses has changed, but what about the fact that there were always people striving for other flavors within the same place, and instead they get booed & kicked out because it's not a top-voted flavor? You're now experiencing what it's like to be not the top-flavored pizza. Now you're saying they should cater to more flavors despite the fact it's been a rule from the beginning. "normies" didn't do jack, it was the same popularity voting system from the get go. This isn't something new man.

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Why? The community is big enough. There will be no benefit to having more people.
Er, more fans, more fanart, more people buying subscription to anime streaming (many who watch anime don't even know the existence of CR for ie.), more anime merchandise sold (same deal as CR), more people in anime cons, more people to talk to?
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I mean maaaaybe the one with the girl in a swimsuit bent over is on the line, but yeah the rest of them I didn't see anything questionable about.

I do like reading some reddit, but I would never participate with their upvote system the way that it is.
 
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It's funny how anime fans will take so much pride in calling themselves adults and then whine about the silliest things like kids.
 
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1. " I'm sure the vast majority of the anime fans on this sub and in general like anime for it's more adult nature compared to most western animation." you lost me with that line. Why do anime fans always have to put down western animation based on generalizations and stereotypes and prejudices? You could have made your point just as well without taking a random stab at western animation. I just find that to be kind of toxic. It's not different than 'normies' saying all anime is for children. But that just as a sidenote because these casual remarks always trigger me a bit.


I mean, if I had just stopped at saying "...it's more adult nature" without the comparison, then you wouldn't have minded? Anime fans are more likely to prefer anime to western animation. It's a subculture of dedicated fanatics. Or it used to be, less the case nowadays. That's from what I hear mind, I wasn't in the community back in the day. But everything one reads / sees suggests it's the case. In fact I think a lot of conflict comes from this divide between hardcore fans and casual fans. I use the terms 'harcore' and 'casual' there purely as definitions, no judgment.

But to get back on point, in the context of what I'm saying in the post you quoted, it doesn't matter if anime is or isn't more adult than western animation. It only matters that people percieve it to be, and that many anime fans see the adult/mature nature of anime as a big part of what makes anime what it is and it's important to them. You should probably try and be less touchy about people putting down western animation. I won't engage in a debate about it now but there are a lot of areas in which western animation is seriously behind anime and if you can't recognize that then you are either raising western animation above it's true value or under-valueing anime.

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2. The whole 'normie' vs 'subculture' thing just makes me cringe. I certainly don't see myself as being part of a subculture necessarily, only a community of people with a similar interest. To me anime is just a medium of entertainment and art that I really like, that I love even. But a lot of the stuff associated with the subculture (memes, waifu wars, shipping wars, anitubers, Light Novels, Visual Novels, gatcha games, jpop, kpop etc...) I actively dislike or they just aren't for me and others (cosplay, fanfic, seasonal discussions, jrpgs etc...) I can appreciate but don't really take part in them at all. Does that make me a 'normie'?


I'm sorry I made you cringe. Feeling second-hand embaressment needlessly on behalf of people that are pefectly self-aware and not bothered by the judgments of others must be a terrible burden for you. As for your list of anime-related dislikes ("memes, waifu wars, shipping wars, anitubers, Light Novels, Visual Novels, gatcha games, jpop, kpop etc..."), no it doesn't make you a normie, in my view. Others might disagree.People are welcome to their tastes but if you were to speak out in some negative away about them other than to say it's not for you then we would have a problem. The minute someone tries to impose their preferences on others it's over the line. By the way, you're missing out when it comes to visual novels. I recently got in to them with the Fate Stay/Night VN and if I could put it on my MAL it would be right there with my 10s. One of the best storytelling experiences of my life.

Pullman said:
The people who care more about the subculture behind it than they care about the medium itself have always just been one side of the community.


I mean... I think plenty of people fall in to both camps. Sure there are some that are about the culture moreso than the content (cough*cosplayers*[/i]cough[/i]* and some that are just about the anime. But there are plenty that are about both in equally large proportions.

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4. Discussing how much sense it makes to see porn and lewds as part of a subculture would be potentially interesting. I fap to doujins a lot, but I never really saw that as me partaking in the subculture. Just like fapping to pornhub doesn't make me feel like I'm partaking in western movie subculture. I see porn more as it's own thing, that exists as the sort of underbelly to every imaginable medium of entertainment out there, and simply takes different forms depending on what that medium is. I can't really agree with any one medium or subculture having a claim to sexual content or lewdness. That kind of stuff is everywhere and therefore not a defining characteristic of any specific medium.


That's an interesting perspective. I think the vast majority would say that if you're watching Hentai and reading Doujins you are most definitely partaking in the subculture, reglardless of how much you want to or not. I think Doujin especially are so intrinsically connected to anime culture. I mean, dude... You're making long posts on the MAL forums (in fact I just checked and you have over 30k posts lol). You're part of a subculture. Embrace it. We will always love you more than the average drone out there who doesn't understand your interests <3
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Manaban said:

I'm not really seeing many pics that'd get hit as loli by reddit or most websites still, though. They tend to go by body type and appearance as opposed to a character's specifically stated age, and pretty much all of the lewd pics in the album have pretty distinctly woman-ly physiques.

Then again, on services like Discord this rule has been enforced with the consistency and sensibility that you'd expect from a schizophrenic, so meh, I wouldn't be shocked if reddit was about as good as T&S at enforcing it.


I agree with you, it's not really loli or CP, but the reddit admins have done stuff like this many times before. I mean, it's impossible to understand what they understand as CP or not: the consensus on character age or the portrayal of body attributes. Once in r/anime, they removed a Kaguya post just because she was flat chested, but I've seen the same lewding with Chika and no one batted an eye. Idk, reddit rules are really difficult to understand these days. There's no clarity about anything.


There's literally no CP on reddit.. Doesn't anyone think with their brain anymore?


There's this one r/anime admin named Gaporingo, or something along the lines. He always deletes my light nsfw posts. ex: for Mothers Day I posted some H-mom links from MAL (none of them had lewd images, it was just a direct link to the MAL for those interested, which isn't against the rules on the reddit if you care to read them) and after a while he deleted it. The next time I even included the rules and same thing he deleted it.


Seems like the r/anime mods just delete whatever THEY don't like. Not what actually goes against the rules. Bunch of sad losers if you ask me, that's why I just talk anime on discord now. r/anime sucks ass.
 
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It's funny how anime fans will take so much pride in calling themselves adults and then whine about the silliest things like kids.



How about just enforce the subs rules, and don't enforce self made rules? Not hard. But every mod wants to act like they own the sub and delete stuff that isn't against the rules, which makes people who follow the rules mad.
 
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Satyr_icon said:
It's funny how anime fans will take so much pride in calling themselves adults and then whine about the silliest things like kids.


It's funny how some people, instead of participating in the conversation, make passive aggressive remarks that belittle others for taking things which matter to them seriously, as if there is an objective standard of what people are allowed to care about and having individual preferences is not allowed.

Oh wait. That's not funny. It's sad and pathetic.

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Why? The community is big enough. There will be no benefit to having more people.
Er, more fans, more fanart, more people buying subscription to anime streaming (many who watch anime don't even know the existence of CR for ie.), more anime merchandise sold (same deal as CR), more people in anime cons, more people to talk to?
Whew, this made me laugh.


More fanart? Really?

More people subscribed to anime streaming being benefical is very debatable. Very, very little of that money will go to creative minds and animators that make anime. You might have slightly more variety and occasionally get a more well-produced show, but well-produced doesn't mean a better piece of art. It just means more eye candy. Some of the best anime come from a time when there was much less money in the industry. There's also the effect that increased profitability has on an industry in terms of attracting investors that seek to make big profit content with mainstream appeal. I think there is a lot to be said for how anime being a small subculture enriched the artisitc integrity comared to stuff like Hollywood movies. I could go on and on about this subject but to just outright say "lol but more CR subscirbers is good" is so flippant. It's as if you think anime isn't good enough and hasn't produced enough good work over the years so there needs to be more money. Even if that were the case (which it isn't), money is not the answer.

More anime merch? I'm sorry, have you bought it all? Is there not enough for you?

More people in anime cons? Again, are you running out of people to talk to at cons? Surely a small, intimate gathering where you can actaully get to know people is better than a giant clusterfuck of people.

More people to talk to? One of the reasons I've started to use MAL more than Reddit is because there is less people here. As with my last point, it's more intimate and you can get to know people better.

I'm glad you got a good laugh though.
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Aastra343 said:


I agree with you, it's not really loli or CP, but the reddit admins have done stuff like this many times before. I mean, it's impossible to understand what they understand as CP or not: the consensus on character age or the portrayal of body attributes. Once in r/anime, they removed a Kaguya post just because she was flat chested, but I've seen the same lewding with Chika and no one batted an eye. Idk, reddit rules are really difficult to understand these days. There's no clarity about anything.


There's literally no CP on reddit.. Doesn't anyone think with their brain anymore?


There's this one r/anime admin named Gaporingo, or something along the lines. He always deletes my light nsfw posts. ex: for Mothers Day I posted some H-mom links from MAL (none of them had lewd images, it was just a direct link to the MAL for those interested, which isn't against the rules on the reddit if you care to read them) and after a while he deleted it. The next time I even included the rules and same thing he deleted it.


Seems like the r/anime mods just delete whatever THEY don't like. Not what actually goes against the rules. Bunch of sad losers if you ask me, that's why I just talk anime on discord now. r/anime sucks ass.


I'm not saying there is CP on reddit, I've never seen it. I'm just quoting what I've seen them justify their deletions of some posts as, allegedly because lewd loli (or any flat chested girl, it seems) content is against CP reddit guidelines (no, I don't agree with them either).
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May 21, 2:28 PM

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YossaRedMage said:

But to get back on point, in the context of what I'm saying in the post you quoted, it doesn't matter if anime is or isn't more adult than western animation. It only matters that people percieve it to be, and that many anime fans see the adult/mature nature of anime as a big part of what makes anime what it is and it's important to them. You should probably try and be less touchy about people putting down western animation. I won't engage in a debate about it now but there are a lot of areas in which western animation is seriously behind anime and if you can't recognize that then you are either raising western animation above it's true value or under-valueing anime.
Lmao this guy.
Nah, it just shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to Western animation and when I say Western I mean all the animation in the West not just in the US.

And you're not overvaluing anime?
You're trying to have your cake and it eat it as well, not good man.

Don't take it as me knocking down anime because I'm not, far from it.
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How long have you been using /r/anime? It's been a huge issue for a while now as a result of the blitzkrieg bannings that reddit moderators did on anime subs. One of the /r/animemes mods got flashkicked after posting a relatively safe image (as well as other moderators of anime subreddits), which eventually led to many of the anime subreddits jointly asking reddit staff for clarification on what the hell the rules actually are, I don't remember if they ever got a response. If you see other subreddits posting questionable content it's absolutely just because they're too insignificant to be targeted.

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Let me also clarify that anyone who doesn't even use reddit or browse any of the anime subreddits is absolutely out of context and is unlikely to discuss anything contributive to this thread.
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How long have you been using /r/anime? It's been a huge issue for a while now as a result of the blitzkrieg bannings that reddit moderators did on anime subs. One of the /r/animemes mods got flashkicked after posting a relatively safe image (as well as other moderators of anime subreddits), which eventually led to many of the anime subreddits jointly asking reddit staff for clarification on what the hell the rules actually are, I don't remember if they ever got a response. If you see other subreddits posting questionable content it's absolutely just because they're too insignificant to be targeted.

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Let me also clarify that anyone who doesn't even use reddit or browse any of the anime subreddits is absolutely out of context and is unlikely to discuss anything contributive to this thread.


This is what upsets me, light nsfw posts that don't go against the rules are always getting deleted.

And god forbid you ever try and have a conversation about an anime, cause your comment gets deleted because of 'spoilers.'

On that sub, it's like you're always tiptoeing around sharp needles (mods). I just don't see the point in it, there's so many other BETTER communities to discuss anime.

I don't know what other conclusion to reach, other than r/anime wasn't made for discussion of series, but more for fanart and announcing upcoming anime.
 
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YossaRedMage said:

That's an interesting perspective. I think the vast majority would say that if you're watching Hentai and reading Doujins you are most definitely partaking in the subculture, reglardless of how much you want to or not. I think Doujin especially are so intrinsically connected to anime culture. I mean, dude... You're making long posts on the MAL forums (in fact I just checked and you have over 30k posts lol). You're part of a subculture. Embrace it. We will always love you more than the average drone out there who doesn't understand your interests <3


As I said, I see myself more as part of a community, the MAL community in particular, which is something different than a subculture to me. I've been very active here for over 10 years now, but I haven't really gotte much closer to partaking in any of those subcultural activities during that time. My interest in anime is more like an extension of my general love for storytelling and art/animation (which is why I always get salty when someone puts down western TV or animation in favor of anime, or otherwise, because I love both) and everything that isn't the shows themselves is not really of much interest to me.

I like to learn about the history and the industry and about animation techniques and all that stuff because it relates to the storytelling aspect of the medium, but most of the anime fandom has always felt foreign to me in some way, with very different priorities and interests. Almost nobody cares about those things I care about, and I care about almost none of the things that most people who are into anime care about. So yeah, I still feel like I'm not part of the subculture, just part of this community. Of course I'm not entirely removed from it either, some stuff like doujins definitely overlap, but I do feel more like an observer that's occasionally visiting the subculture rather than really being a part of it.

Also I wouldn't be so sure that I'm more accepted here than irl. Even among anime fans you get a ton of judgment towards lolicons, for example. And I've gotten more random hatred from anime fans because they didn't like my favorites than I ever got from normies for my taste in western TV or movies.

The anime community is basically splintered into a bunch of different camps based on stuff like genres and many of these sub-fandoms don't get along with each other at all. Ecchi fans, fujos, elitists, oldfags, mechawankers, moe junkies, shounenfags etc... And most people who belong in one of those camps look down on all the others in various ways. Which is another reason I feel so out of place in the community sometimes, I just like basically every genre and never really understood why there is so much hate going back and forth between these camps.

So while it is nice to talk about 'the anime community' or 'subculture' I think it paints a bit of a wrong picture of how the anime fandom is actually structured. It is far from uniform, and in many cases the people with the most negative opinion on certain types of anime and their fans, are the fans of different kinds of anime. And you can't just reduce these differences to 'normies' and 'nerds', or based on when someone joined the anime fandom. They have always existed and go far deeper than these simplifications imply.

e: Just for clarification here is how I differentiate between these terms:
1. Subculture - Based on common activities and identification (calling yourself 'otaku' for example)
2. Community - Based on frequent interaction (like here on the MAL forums for example)
3. Fandom - Based on a common interest, no matter whether they interact with others or partake in common activities. Kind of an umbrella term for everyone interested in anime.
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I agree with @Manaban's suggestions if you're actually trying to change people's applications of the rules and loosen the boundaries of what's considered acceptable. Do note that people who aren't subscribed to /r/anime can see stuff on /r/anime, though.

I also agree with you that it is silly the way the rules are enforced, and it's basically catered to (avoiding) a specific set of fetishes. I've always found it funny how glaringly obvious boob shapes are okay but nipples somehow aren't, for example. It's like someone's trying not to see nipples, specifically. But a lot of the times these rules get spelled out in these ridiculously specific ways because someone had to draw a line somewhere because leaving that line vague is just inviting stupidly large amounts of argument.

But I think it's your mistake for thinking that /r/anime is meant to be "inclusive of the whole community". (Right now it is certainly not inclusive of me, and frankly speaking it wouldn't be unless it seriously cuts down on the amount of chatter about recent shows.) It's just a place for some people to discuss anime. Take it or leave it, and there's really no good reason to cry over having to leave it.

@Aastra343 A lot of "why haven't they moderated that out" questions can be answered by "because the mods don't know about it", honestly. And in turn that's often equivalent to "no one reported it yet".

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That reasoning is just so backwards though. Ok so more people will come to the sub, but the content will be watered down and distorted. It's inclusivity of content vs inclusivity of fandom. But - and I'll catch hell for this but I've long since given up apologizing for gatekeeping - what sort of "fan" are you getting by removing elements of something to bring more people in? It's like if you had a group that all liked Pizza, but you then banned cheese because some people are lactose intolerant. No meat, of course, because of vegetarians. Are you really a fan of Pizza if you are just eating tomato sauce on bread?
You find out how many people are lactose-intolerant, and order an appropriate number of pizzas for them, and a little extra, just in case lactose-tolerant people wanna try out pizza without cheese.
You find out how many people are vegetarian, and order an appropriate number of pizzas for them, and then some, just in case non-vegetarians want to have some too.

Simple. I've already been part of a school club where the club prez was lactose-intolerant. She always ordered one cheeseless pizza for herself while ordering pizzas with cheese for everyone else. It's really not a big deal.

Also, ordering pizza is not running a website.

The analogy for the above, with regards to websites, is you join multiple communities, each catering to different parts of your taste.

I disagree with the ruling that RWBY doesn't count as anime so it doesn't get an entry in the MAL database. Does that mean I complain about on the forum? No, I just record my progress through that show, and chat about it, elsewhere.

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Their answer will of course be, "well you can go somewhere else for that content" but r/anime has almost a monopoly on anime conversation, especially if you don't count this forum. As I said in another comment, I have been using MAL forums more recently but there is still something to be said for the usability, acitvity and variety of conversation on r/anime.
There's at least also /r/TrueAnime, as well as several other anime listing sites like Anime-Planet, Kitsu, and others, and like fifty million anime-related IRC channels and Discord servers (including Discord servers of these sites), and then there's anime-related channels on otherwise-unrelated Discord servers or other such communities, and then there's just random people's smaller anime forums and blogs and such, and then there's stuff on other social media sites like Facebook, and then there's your local meatspace fandom groups (including but no limited to school anime clubs).

There is no shortage of "people talking about anime (in English)" on this planet.

YossaRedMage said:
So we just end up with watered down content.
Are these pictures critical for making sense of the plot of something?

Or are they just a collection of pics you can find on danbooru or wherever?

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2. The whole 'normie' vs 'subculture' thing just makes me cringe. I certainly don't see myself as being part of a subculture necessarily, only a community of people with a similar interest. To me anime is just a medium of entertainment and art that I really like, that I love even.
Oh gosh, this. I agree with the above quote.

I'm here because I appreciate cartoons with characters that have big eyes and small noses, and are primarily drawn by the Japanese. Does it have to be anything more than this?

Is there some sort of entry requirement of having a waifu, knowing 15 memes, following an anituber, watching at least 3 seasonals, and being able to name 5 studios? (Of course there isn't; I'm being facetious.)

(Sometimes I wonder if I'm a "normie with subculture knowledge". I certainly don't fit in with the subculture, at least!)
 
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