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May 17, 2:22 PM

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Yourmom53 said:
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I think the way to resolve things and work together better is for all FOUR of them to admit that they made some bad choices like being stubborn, ignorant, arrogant and what not. That's the only way they can start back at square one and put everything right.



Well Naofumi cant admit he is wrong because that would destroy the wish fulliment


What wish fulfilment?
 
May 17, 4:26 PM

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LightoLhxd4 said:
yes, it's true, but MANGA was originally good until VOLUME 4 at the moment, and since entering VOLUME 6 the giant turtle bow has begun to turn boring




Fede_5000 said:
I wonder why they do not replicate more of those weapons, they go around anoying the heroes instead of helping in the waves, Oh of course! someone has the answer that in the novels that weapon consumes much mana blah blah.... but at least it would appreciated that people who are not heroes will try to do something by the waves, but it is too much to ask a this story which breathes artificiality in every molecule of their existence.


There is a good reason why they need more than fancy weapons and prayers to beat a wave, but that will not be shown until the next wave happens. Considering the OP is showing some of the key characters of the next arc, they sure will adapt the next wave.
 
May 18, 3:15 AM

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I'm really glad and all that Naofumi gave those three thugs a talking to but man, it shouldn't have been done in the middle of the battle. Oh well, gotta wait again till the fighting.
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May 18, 6:34 AM

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who even thought it was a good idea to start recapping in the middle of battle? the long ass talks pretty much ruined the entire atmosphere
 
May 18, 7:22 AM

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The metapod vs metapod battle from season 1 of the Pokemon anime were 10x better. It genuinely had better choreography, strategy and enjoyment compared to this idiotic excuse of a snoozefest.
 
May 18, 9:24 AM

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Healmeplz said:

There is a good reason why they need more than fancy weapons and prayers to beat a wave, but that will not be shown until the next wave happens.


oh continue with the same excuse

"Intelligent is not the person who is always right, but the one who admits that he is wrong".
 
May 18, 12:15 PM

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There is a LOT of criticism of the west in this, and it's glorious.

The pope is a ridiculous joke at this point, couldn't have said it better myself. This is fumingly hilarious.

The spear guy is a blonde westy type, even though I imagine he's a fat, useless Japanese otaku guy. He's just an arrogant idiot.

LOL this is how Japan perceives us, and fair is fair at this point haha. It's like a bad acid dream of a Japanese. Malty is a Kardashian.

I like this show, it's too funny.
 
May 18, 4:04 PM

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Naofumi give this long ass speech about why he wont work with others and why they suck gets attacked by the pope because he give him time and then they talk even more but now about teaming up against pope giving him even more time to finish his ultimate magic trick this series has really been going downhill since episode 4 and finaly hit my breaking point I havent been so annoyed in long time
 
May 18, 7:24 PM

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Fede_5000 said:
Healmeplz said:

There is a good reason why they need more than fancy weapons and prayers to beat a wave, but that will not be shown until the next wave happens.


oh continue with the same excuse
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A relevant plot point gets revealed later in the history, is that new for you or something that is particular to this anime? The history doesn't get any better after the next arc, so you can drop it now and give a 1 if you want.
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May 18, 8:25 PM

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@Healmeplz sorry, but I find it annoying that your readers always give the same excuse that something important will revealed later, and then after 19 episodes of which have not revealed the main thing yet, at least other animes knew its ridiculous from the start and and I could enjoy them more than here where they only unnecessarily lengthen their plot withholding information.

"Intelligent is not the person who is always right, but the one who admits that he is wrong".
 
May 19, 3:39 AM
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Fede_5000 said:
@Healmeplz sorry, but I find it annoying that your readers always give the same excuse that something important will revealed later, and then after 19 episodes of which have not revealed the main thing yet, at least other animes knew its ridiculous from the start and and I could enjoy them more than here where they only unnecessarily lengthen their plot withholding information.


So much has been revealed already regarding the pope.And yet you dont under
stand?Things are porgressing forward nicely.This isnt a mystery box of an anime.

They already explained that those weapons uses up too much energy as well.


 
May 19, 7:13 AM
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Just finished watching it, this episode feels like a recap to me.
all of them agreed to cooperate, fortunately.
there’s something that i really don’t get, the part where they talked like 10 minutes infront of that pope like please. Duh. That was just ridiculous to me lol. I still don’t like that spear hero, he’s so arrogant, acting like a child, when he realized that he was wrong, he talked shit like nothing happened.

4/5.
 
May 20, 12:20 AM

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Deus ex Pope

Gigantor douchebag shitwad shows up and blows everyone's problems away, how convenient. Bunch of forced shitty banter and cringy lines and awkwardly fast change of characters... Naofumi does half-assed job of smacktalking the lot...

Only thing i have to say... They better not let Myne go after all that shit, just because there's a bigger pig.



I recently caught up on the latest 4 eps, and enjoyed it quite a bit but this last bit was painful.
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May 20, 4:54 AM
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the music and tone in this series is very bad, even though this is an anime drama, the writing of stories in this anime is very stupid and ugly, stupid conversations are repeated by characters, making this anime look bad and stupid, seriously fans must leave this anime or immediately dropped it, after all, from the beginning the studio just wanted to slaughter everything
 
May 20, 5:14 AM
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@LightoLhxd4 it's not a problem of adaptation but of formats, in a novel or book a speech in the middle of the action looks good, but in an anime it's totally idiotic,
From a narrative standpoint having Naofumi finally vent his frustrations about all the shit he had to go through and the other 3 heroes actually listen instead of dismissing him this time must have felt extremely cathartic for the audience who empathise deeply with Naofumi. But for everyone else, this was such a stupid and petty thing for Naofumi to do. they are trying to make the scenes a copy of the novels, but a good adaptation is not about copying the same thing, it's about improving them that is why many adaptations of novels do not work, interrupting the action by giving a speech, a monologue or exposing infodump breaks the rate of the story, the most correct would be to eliminate it or seek to expose in a visual way but it is very hard to translate the written format.
yes you are very right, anime is made with the aim of improving the quality of the source of manga or novels, in other words it does not have to be the same, but the reality of this event is very different, on the contrary anime lowers the quality of source material and it is a big failure, out there there are many series of novels that were successfully made anime, small examples of Re Zero, SAO, complete monogatari series, Konosuba, in other words the most influential is the animation studio, I recall KINEMA CITRUS STUDIO always made shows with 12 episodes, this was the first time making a series with for 24 episodes, only 1 successful anime is MADE IN ABYSS, the rest is only garbage
 
May 20, 6:17 AM

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jesus this arc is pretty meh.. most story arcs involving religious sect end up looking friggin dumb because of stupid believers, basically the person on top can kill innocent citizen under the name of God and those dumb shits would've still believed it's a benovalent act.

I still can't stand motoyasu, and to a lesser extent itsuki.. gimme some naofumi x ren bromance please.
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May 20, 4:52 PM

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This episode was the worst one yet. They just stood in a big hole arguing about petty shit for 20 minutes.
 
May 21, 10:50 AM

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Yeah, tell 'em, Naofumi! I'm glad he told other heroes' about how much they were wrong and how much negative events occured after their actions, who were seen by them as things to be proud of.

Bow and Sword heroes are alive, just as I expected, though I didn't expect their parties' members to make it alright as well. It is good of course, I'm glad they were saved along with their leaders.

That Pope is awesome. I like that kind of villains who are fnatically believing in their missions, have legion of supporters and wield very rare and powerful artifacts.
His "Cathedral" attack looks dangerous. I wonder what offensive magic it will generate and how everyone will manage to surpass Pope's attack.

epidemia78 said:
This episode was the worst one yet. They just stood in a big hole arguing about petty shit for 20 minutes.

True, it was placed in the same place all the time (crater near the border's walls), but bear in mind that Heroes' discussion and arguing were not petty, but they were very important for the story. This chat let Naofumi put cards on table about how bad they treated him and how they are not that much better, both as allies and Heroes.
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May 21, 3:03 PM

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Sadly this is becoming more and more generic isekai.

This episode was basically bunch of free talking with villain just looking at them most of the time.
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May 21, 7:09 PM

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Well the arguing felt redundant and dragged out....
I mean....really.....If I was the pope I would've blasted them all already 3x over....no need to do some flashy ultimate move.

Ugh.....I'm going to be really annoyed if this "battle" doesn't finish in the next episode
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May 21, 10:15 PM

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Melcookie96 said:
The entire time I was thinking. Uniting is cool and all but can we stab Malty real quick?


How great of a twist would it have been if it writers just decided to kill off spear hero's entire party?

Dudi4PoLFr said:
OMG we needed to wait WHOLE 19 EPISODES to make spear hero to STFU! This should happen at least 10 episodes ego. God that painful episode to watch...


Also, Pope's super attack is basically Nero Claudius noble phantasm?


Not sure why spear hero got that much screentime. Irrelevant and annoying af character that cannot think
 
May 22, 5:25 AM

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I think this episode was pretty weak by far out of the rest of the 18 episodes. First, when sword and bow hero attacked with their weapons and broke through the Pope's shield they could of continued on but instead we got stupid scenario where they did nothing else after. Well not just that but why in the hell would you run down into the crater after successfully ambushing the pope and not continue on the tactical advantage and then letting speak and shield hero attack the pope while they continued to bombard them with their attacks running at him at the side of the crater towards him is beyond me.

Then we see the next scene where they go back into the damn crater with the rest. Like wth? That's a bad strategy tactic to begin with being in that spot and your enemy has the height advantage. It doesn't help matters as the spear hero's dialogue is more then obnoxious here. The whole arguing in the middle of battle letting the Pope recover is blatantly stupid. It just does not fit at all for all the experiences they all been in especially Naofumi seriously there was no need for this angle...

Of course we got a semi-recap too. Seems like this was a filler episode to me in a way then anything. At least Naofumi basically says screw you to the other 3 heroes working with you and rather sticking to his team instead which was great and I hope Naofumi keeps that he thinks of them as morons and will not be their friends tho he's going to need them to deal with this situation. The 3 heroes still trying to believe they are in the right even after all the shit they did to Naofumi and countless other people still thinking like they are in a video game and their ego is literally disgusting.

If they had redid the entire episode to make it work better I would of welcomed it even if they went original to make it work with the next episode. The entire thing was stupid as hell. Other then that I got more to write but I just wanna forget this episodes to be honest.

Hoping episode 20 is not shit too. Kill the damn Pope already or he escapes somehow but end this thing already. It really should of been a 2 episode thing not going into 3...
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May 22, 7:21 AM

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omg, this ep so hard to watch.
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May 22, 7:42 AM

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Well, but Saint Seiya fans like me surely smiled out of joy after hearing "Ryu Sei Ken!" for multiple times. ;D
 
May 22, 8:02 AM

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The amount of logic and sense was hard to find this episode
 
May 22, 10:28 AM
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Yourmom53 said:


1. You pretty much refuted your burying point because like you said a body needs maggots, worms, and rain in order to decompose and 1st and 3rd thing is hard to get when you are buried


2.The dragon corpse was on top of a mountain hours from the town, that's hardly "near the town" so its not like its the corpse was near the town

3. I dont know what that edit has to do with anything

1. Are you for real? you know worms and maggots live underground as well right? Also that rain water seeps through soil? Also those just speed up the process which is important when not buried. To decompose a body just needs humidity bacteria and a small amount of heat. Unless you are in an environment that is extremely hot or extremely cold generally it will decompose. The body has bot humidity and bacteria and heat from tge atmosphere or ground is generally enough.
2.that is correct. but there seem to be no scavangers on that mountain top to eat it. Not even fungae. So is safe to assume there was no animal to consume it close enough.
3.just wanted to give a more complete explanation. The size of the animal is important. Just the amount of putrescide that corpse produces is enough to make people sick. Being on a desolate mountain makes it even worse because it generally means that the wind will push it downhill.
4.One question: have you ever looked to see what happens to a dead body when left unburied?
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You dont leave dead bodies when you hunt because its is wastefull and unless you killed a bunch of deers in the same place youre pretty much fine
size and environment matters. You are talking about forest. Here we have plane/steppe and a desolated mountain top. Also a deer is small. Even a wild boar or bear is small. We are talking at least elephant size when talking about the dragon.


1.Okay I literally made sure that I excluded worms from the sentence also you do know maggots are from flies right which are flying creatures. Also a body doesn't decompose faster if its buried(unless you are underwater)

2.I mean there are pieces of meat messing and the dragon is showing some bone.

3. You don't k know how wind and corpse work do you, leaving something like a mammoth on a desolote mountain isn't going to do much to the village three blocks over.

4.Umm yes it decompose, duh
 
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Yourmom53 said:
nightcrawlercyp said:

1. Are you for real? you know worms and maggots live underground as well right? Also that rain water seeps through soil? Also those just speed up the process which is important when not buried. To decompose a body just needs humidity bacteria and a small amount of heat. Unless you are in an environment that is extremely hot or extremely cold generally it will decompose. The body has bot humidity and bacteria and heat from tge atmosphere or ground is generally enough.
2.that is correct. but there seem to be no scavangers on that mountain top to eat it. Not even fungae. So is safe to assume there was no animal to consume it close enough.
3.just wanted to give a more complete explanation. The size of the animal is important. Just the amount of putrescide that corpse produces is enough to make people sick. Being on a desolate mountain makes it even worse because it generally means that the wind will push it downhill.
4.One question: have you ever looked to see what happens to a dead body when left unburied?
size and environment matters. You are talking about forest. Here we have plane/steppe and a desolated mountain top. Also a deer is small. Even a wild boar or bear is small. We are talking at least elephant size when talking about the dragon.


1.Okay I literally made sure that I excluded worms from the sentence also you do know maggots are from flies right which are flying creatures. Also a body doesn't decompose faster if its buried(unless you are underwater)

2.I mean there are pieces of meat messing and the dragon is showing some bone.

3. You don't k know how wind and corpse work do you, leaving something like a mammoth on a desolote mountain isn't going to do much to the village three blocks over.

4.Umm yes it decompose, duh

1. you do realize the soil is generally moist? Also is not about faster is about the earth filtering the miasma
2. maybe wounds from the battle? the mountain top is void of life both animal and plant
3. so gases do not get moved by wind.... right...
4. so , no you have not.
 
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@nightcrawlercyp @Yourmom53

https://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/emergencies/qa/emergencies_qa8/en/

The widespread belief that corpses pose a major health risk is inaccurate. Especially if death resulted from trauma, bodies are very unlikely to cause outbreaks of diseases such as typhoid fever, cholera or plague though they may transmit gastroenteritis or food poisoning syndrome for survivors if they contaminate streams, wells or other water sources.
 
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@nightcrawlercyp @Yourmom53

https://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/emergencies/qa/emergencies_qa8/en/

The widespread belief that corpses pose a major health risk is inaccurate. Especially if death resulted from trauma, bodies are very unlikely to cause outbreaks of diseases such as typhoid fever, cholera or plague though they may transmit gastroenteritis or food poisoning syndrome for survivors if they contaminate streams, wells or other water sources.
mr troll I already read that. And it amazes me the broken logic of these so called scientists . They admit that a=>b and b=>c but they claim that a=>c is a myth. On one hand they claim that is a myth on the other they admit indirectly it is true. From the fact that in big quantities the decaying gases are toxic to the fact that they can contaminate water sources easily if in big quantity to the fact that if the people were sick the disease will spread even faster. But they are not in any way a health issue. their inability to rationalize is amazing.
https://www.who.int/diseasecontrol_emergencies/guidelines/risks/en/
oh and the smell caused by the decomposing body is caused by some toxic substances:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9207896
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nightcrawlercyp said:
mr troll I already read that. And it amazes me the broken logic of these so called scientists . They admit that a=>b and b=>c but they claim that a=>c is a myth. On one hand they claim that is a myth on the other they admit indirectly it is true. From the fact that in big quantities the decaying gases are toxic to the fact that they can contaminate water sources easily if in big quantity to the fact that if the people were sick the disease will spread even faster. But they are not in any way a health issue. their inability to rationalize is amazing.
https://www.who.int/diseasecontrol_emergencies/guidelines/risks/en/
oh and the smell caused by the decomposing body is caused by some toxic substances:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9207896

Well maybe we can leave this carcass of an anime out in the rain and see how many people it does in.
 
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19 episodes to finally get back at that insufferable fucking bitch and she didn't even get as much of a punishment as she deserved. In fact nobody even acknowledged it was all her damn fault. I hope she gets dismembered lmfao.

An episode full of 5 MINUTE LONG PAUSES where the bad guys / good guys would just let the other party finish talking or channeling their attack. How considerate. Was this inspired from a turn based RPG?

Oh look, they aren't dead! Let us forsake our even ground advantage and also get into the pit, like shooting fish in a barrel! Oh wait, we actually realize we are dumb as fuck, let me attack the pope because I, the sword hero, cannot be this dumb! Oh wait, after striking him from up close, I decided to run back straight into the pit.

As for the rest of us dumbshits, we will stay here forever I guess.

One of the worst episodes of anything I've watched in recent memory. Not because of plot, animation or deus ex machina, but because the lack of logic in pretty much every action throughout the entirety of the episode.

Filo still cute tho.
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May 22, 8:41 PM

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well finally all the heroes joined up but still.... they all rely on naofumi too much
 
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Finally, Naofumi went down and straight up told the other heroes of their wrongdoing along with their incompetence which has lead to this event, that's a nice dose of weekly satisfaction. But there's something that made this ep feels cheap and bad... Hmmmn... What else could it be other than Runing the supposedly tense atmosphere with shit talks and cheesy alliance Rather than being pushed back and forced to making an alliance with each other, this ep just made it seems that the heroes are okay to ally up, to begin with, which is definitely not the case at all. And what's with MotoyASSu and his now calm behaviour. (Calmer than his usual self).

Damn, too many bad points to pass for this ep that's supposed to be a major event.
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God I still want to beat the Spear Hero to a pulp.
 
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The heroes acted especially childish here xD But hey, at least they managed to overcome their differences eventually. Was pretty ok as a setup episode.

still waiting for the Scythe Hero


What about the Nunchuck Hero?
 
May 29, 3:23 AM

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I still haven't changed my mind. Fuck all them other heroes. Need to work together my hairy ass. When the queen comes she better hand out punishments left and right.
 
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So Ren & Itsuki are still alive, I am glad.

Finally the 4 heroes are going to work together, this was about time. Eventho they all got pretty much scolded by Naofumi! This was more a build up episode, I actually expected the battle to happen already.
 
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i've always thought that if i was that pope i would've just smite them right then and there whilst they fought among themselves. wouldn't even wait for the power to generate, just get someone down there and stab them.
 
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Haha! Those heroes deserved to be reprimanded. And how dare Motoyasu to point fingers to Ren and Itsuki when he's mainly the pain in the ass. But at least they will work together for this fight. I hope sense will knock on these hereo's heads.




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I don't know what certain people in this thread are talking about. This is exactly how the manga (and I am assuming thus the LN) has shown this episode actually lol.

Just an entire episode of the MC reprimanding the dumb side characters while the side characters don't ever learn from this because they're written to be stupid and make the MC look good. Literally how the source material goes.

The potential for this series could've been a lot better had the author written the other heroes to not be so one dimensionally stupid and their only role: to satisfy the readers' urge to see the stupid side characters get humiliated again and again.
 
Jun 13, 11:24 PM

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Well, at least the pontiff wasn't as dumb as to stay still while the heroes were discussing. He actually used that time to charge his fucking weapon... oh Lord, this writing...

Honestly, this was painful to watch. Easily, the worst episode so far.

The explanation, if you can call it that, of how Ren and Itsuki survived was so lazy and poorly detailed I simply can't believe it.

I also don't know what the author tried to convey with that supposed "reconciliation" scene in the middle of a battle. It really wasn't the place and time to do such thing. Not to mention that the comedic approach with Motoyasu being more stupid than usual just made the whole sequence even worse.

Nothing more to add besides that. The development of both characters and plot is extremely mediocre and the constant use of cliffhangers seems to be the only way this show has in order to build some tension after so many boring episodes.
 
Jun 24, 6:26 AM
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Felt like a giant setup by the author to make a "Bullies get exposed by the victim" situation. Great. At least now finally their annoying unrealistic scandal has been resolved.
 
Jun 27, 2:41 AM

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Kay they teamed up but still dared not to apologize to Naofumi. They better do it next episode because it was a more than a big deal.
 
Jun 28, 1:01 AM

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good example how religious ppl can abuse religion and use their followers as tools even in the world without magic and powers, talking about real world and how religion can turn ppl crazy or mindless zombie, real life example is isis though, thats why i support ban of this silly religions, i mean in a way u can belive there is after life and some higher being out there but u abbandone the fantasy book u follow, bible and all bible type of book in awry religion, but i know only 3 what follow a book like that chatolick cristian and islam/moslem religion, others don't have a fanatasy book what tells u how to live ur life


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Jul 11, 6:12 PM

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The episode was OK. The part when they ignored the Pope and started arguing was pretty stupid, but Naofumi should kick the spear guy's ass after they deal with the silly Pope. Plus, I just want Myne to die a terrible death. I want her to suffer for hours and choke on her own blood.
 
Aug 12, 7:49 PM

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Well that episode showed perfectly what religion can cause to people to take it on another level. So Ren and Itsuki are alive after that ambush which definitely a good thing. It also got explained what they were exactly searching for. Crazy to think about that this weapon the pope was attacking with can transform in every weapon of our 4 heros.

Besides from that I'm so glad Naofumi was able to finally speak up to Ren, Itskuki and Motoyasu without any interrupts or stupid comments from anyone. Normally you would say it isn't necessary to explain guys in this age these things, but they were so much in their own world, they didn't noticed what all went wrong. And Malty is the most selfish bitch I've seen. Filo found the right word for Motoyasu -> annoying.

Ren, Itsuki and Motoyasu can be glad Naofumi promised Fitolia he would get along with them. That cathedral spell at the end looked pretty spectacular. I hope they can stop the pope and I'm also curious what Meltys mother has to say.
 
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The pope is an abuser of religion you know, "4 heroes all together" huh?, Pope built a cathedral top of heroes, we will see what 4 heroes will do against abuser of religion and his jerked priests.
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Oct 18, 8:57 PM

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They talked it out but those three other heroes are still fulla shit!
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