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May 8, 2019 3:41 PM
#1
Oh hey the last thread got locked. Cool. So to avoid this thread being locked lets not talk about why this is overrated or underrated. I want to know why people think this is good, and I want legit answers, so nothing among the lines of Raphtalia is waifu or stuff like that. Let's discuss. Look I really can't understand what people like about this how so much. There are other shows I consider to be mediocre that people apparently like, such as Another and the recent Code Geass movie. Though I may not like those titles, I see the appeal in them and why people might enjoy it. But this, I just fail to see why people like this at all. It's been 17 weeks and I'm still baffled by all this praise. So please, explain to me why people like this so much. I fail to understand how bad CG and other things I won't go into detail on can get a 8+ score on MAL. Enlighten me. Please. I want to know. I'm not trying to trash on your anime. |
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May 8, 2019 4:08 PM
#2
Where did you see the praise surrounding this anime? Not on MAL I guess... I thought everyone noticed how the hype faded away after the first arc. |
May 8, 2019 4:14 PM
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May 8, 2019 4:42 PM
#4
I don't know but the thing is that I didn't get the hype surrounding the show even IN the first arc. I don't think the show changed much throughout it's entire 17 episodes. |
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May 8, 2019 4:45 PM
#5
Check the review tab and see why people rating a 10,9 or 8 |
AnitekuMay 8, 2019 4:50 PM
May 8, 2019 5:01 PM
#6
Because it's currently airing, watch it fade to obscurity as slime Did after it finishes airing. |
May 8, 2019 5:07 PM
#7
I thought it was either because people liked Naofumi as a character and could careless about the plot or just like the plot in general. Its easy and simple to understand and doesn't required much thinking at all. (Similar to slime) I for one just like it since it's isekai trash and I love watching it to see how bad it can go. |
May 8, 2019 5:19 PM
#8
I think it has something to do with current attitudes towards authority, especially authority that is percieved as overly judgemental, morally prescriptive, and/or hypocritical. The main character of Shield Hero is a young man who is accused wrongly of rape. This obviously is a topical subject and one that immediately resonates with the target audience. I suspect that many people identify or empathize with a character who is percieved or judged as "bad" by some authority figure, when they are in fact the most morally upright of anyone. The subsequent exposure of said authority's moral paucity is then a subject of anticipation during the course of the narrative, and intense satisfiaction upon resolution. Basically, the core idea here that resonates is the triumph of "true" morality over "false" morality - i.e. those who believe that they are in the right opposed to someone who KNOWS they are in the right. Again this ties back to the false rape accusation. Naofumi is innocent, but he is persecuted by those who believe him to be a criminal. Both sides are opperating based on moral principles, but one of them is frustratingly misguided. This goes deeper. Each of the other heroes, aside from joining in the wrongful condemnation of Naofumi, also have flawed characters. Namely, they commit harmful acts with the best intentions, but are unable to forsee the consequences due to their own arrogance. This creates a contrast between the protagonist and his accusers, emphasizing his moral superiority, and thereby enhancing the satisfaction felt by the audence when he is finally absolved. There's also an element of emotional manipulation going on. By making the antagonists not only very evil, but very stupid, it spurs incredibly strong negative sentiment against them. Just look at all the comments about how Myne is a bitch who should be murdered or raped. Essentially, the narrative drive here boils down to one big "told you so". The audience is invited to not only celebrate Naofumi's vindiation, but to revel in the downfall of his enemies. In a phrase, it's justice porn. This is my impression of why Shield Hero is so popular, especially in the West. Yes, people also praise the supposed subversion of isekai tropes, but honestly I think these are secondary, maybe even incidental details that people latch onto after the fact. The core idea that I outline above is what makes Shield Hero unique. More importantly, I think it's an idea that resonates strongly enough with certain people that the actual execution and quality of the writing doesn't matter. Hence why the series has such a strong fanbase despite being a dumpster fire of trashy, lazy creative decisions. |
May 8, 2019 6:00 PM
#9
Aniteku said: I opened the first positive review. I closed it when they said the animation was awesome.Check the review tab and see why people rating a 10,9 or 8 SSL443 said: In what ways does it resonate with the target audience. Hell what even IS the target audience? People who have been wrongly accused of rape? I've seen people say like oooh this is relatable, but I fail to see WHY it's relatable. I don't know if it's the same with others, but I for one don't see how this would relate to people, at least for me. Is everyone watching this a criminal that has been wrongly accused?The main character of Shield Hero is a young man who is accused wrongly of rape. This obviously is a topical subject and one that immediately resonates with the target audience. This goes deeper. Each of the other heroes, aside from joining in the wrongful condemnation of Naofumi, also have flawed characters. Namely, they commit harmful acts with the best intentions, but are unable to forsee the consequences due to their own arrogance. This creates a contrast between the protagonist and his accusers, emphasizing his moral superiority, and thereby enhancing the satisfaction felt by the audence when he is finally absolved. I don't know if people enjoy this, but the fact that the show introduces me to all these despicable characters right off the bat doesn't really appeal to me either. Are people really willing to sit through a couple episodes just to have one moment where Naofumi is triumphant? The main gripe with me has always been the characters. The fact that the King, Myne etc. are just so evil really just doesn't seem realistic to me. I get that this is fiction, but things still have to seem realistic, or make sense, in the world of fiction for things to seem good, at least in my opinion. SSL443 said: Again, very evil characters, very stupid characters, just don't do it for me. I guess the appeal might be justice porn, but all these shitty characters like Myne appearing over and over again like Team Rocket just make it seem like a "Ah shit, here we going again" fest.There's also an element of emotional manipulation going on. By making the antagonists not only very evil, but very stupid, it spurs incredibly strong negative sentiment against them. Just look at all the comments about how Myne is a bitch who should be murdered or raped. Essentially, the narrative drive here boils down to one big "told you so". The audience is invited to not only celebrate Naofumi's vindiation, but to revel in the downfall of his enemies. In a phrase, it's justice porn. Well, I guess it's also because there really isn't another anime like this. But hey at the end of the day I'm not here to shit on this show, but whatever, I guess i'm just a special little snowflake that don't think that this is good. |
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May 8, 2019 6:20 PM
#10
lazypigz said: what you say is true and that makes sense, when you like certain programs maybe someone else will hate it, the same thing when people like anime Stein Gate and many of them hate AOT because it's too popular, so does SHIELD HERO some people like some people hateOh hey the last thread got locked. Cool. So to avoid this thread being locked lets not talk about why this is overrated or underrated. I want to know why people think this is good, and I want legit answers, so nothing among the lines of Raphtalia is waifu or stuff like that. Let's discuss. Look I really can't understand what people like about this how so much. There are other shows I consider to be mediocre that people apparently like, such as Another and the recent Code Geass movie. Though I may not like those titles, I see the appeal in them and why people might enjoy it. But this, I just fail to see why people like this at all. It's been 17 weeks and I'm still baffled by all this praise. So please, explain to me why people like this so much. I fail to understand how bad CG and other things I won't go into detail on can get a 8+ score on MAL. Enlighten me. Please. I want to know. I'm not trying to trash on your anime. |
May 8, 2019 6:24 PM
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May 8, 2019 6:25 PM
#12
Idk if it’s just me but my libido skyrockets when watching Isekai dumpster fires. |
May 8, 2019 7:45 PM
#13
lazypigz said: In what ways does it resonate with the target audience. Hell what even IS the target audience? People who have been wrongly accused of rape? I've seen people say like oooh this is relatable, but I fail to see WHY it's relatable. I don't know if it's the same with others, but I for one don't see how this would relate to people, at least for me. Is everyone watching this a criminal that has been wrongly accused? I don't know if people enjoy this, but the fact that the show introduces me to all these despicable characters right off the bat doesn't really appeal to me either. Are people really willing to sit through a couple episodes just to have one moment where Naofumi is triumphant? The main gripe with me has always been the characters. The fact that the King, Myne etc. are just so evil really just doesn't seem realistic to me. I get that this is fiction, but things still have to seem realistic, or make sense, in the world of fiction for things to seem good, at least in my opinion. Here's a quote from the latest episode thread in response to my comment there: episode_18_thread said: SSL443 said: Hegar said: They are both ordinary guys from Japan. Why would Motoyasu so easily think that Naofumi is evil from the very beginning? This was one of my main issues even in the first epsisode. It made no sense for the other heroes to be so against Naofumi right from the beginning. Not enough characterization or setup to explain motivations. You're kidding, right? With recent IRL things going on you don't realize that there are a bunch of people that will automatically believe a woman just on her accusation alone? This is what I mean by the main hook of the show resonating with a certain audience. A lot of people right now have very pointed feelings about the subjects sort of orbiting womens issues and PC culture and that type of thing. I don't want to be too on the nose about it. So no, it isn't people who have directly been accused of rape; it's people that take issue with how rape accusations are being handled in our society right now, and the cultural zeitgeist surrounding these issues in general. lazypigz said: Again, very evil characters, very stupid characters, just don't do it for me. I guess the appeal might be justice porn, but all these shitty characters like Myne appearing over and over again like Team Rocket just make it seem like a "Ah shit, here we going again" fest. Well, I guess it's also because there really isn't another anime like this. But hey at the end of the day I'm not here to shit on this show, but whatever, I guess i'm just a special little snowflake that don't think that this is good. They don't do it for me either, I think the writing and characterization in this show is terrible. But I also think that it does the trick for a lot of people, who are obviously very invested. Again, just skim through any of the episode thread and you'll get an idea of the frankly visceral hate for Myne and some of the other villains of the series. As to why these kinds of cartoonish villains are eliciting such strong emotional responses, again I think a lot of it has to do with the current cultural background noise that has been already touched on. I'm sure there are other elements at work, such as people that are more emotional to begin with being more affected. |
May 8, 2019 8:05 PM
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lazypigz said: That's cute but no, you're not the only one.Well, I guess it's also because there really isn't another anime like this. But hey at the end of the day I'm not here to shit on this show, but whatever, I guess i'm just a special little snowflake that don't think that this is good. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
May 8, 2019 11:59 PM
#15
The sub plot got old fast the prinecess and the heros made it hard to continue as they pretty much do the same thing each time they appears and have had the same conversation like over 50 times |
May 9, 2019 2:52 AM
#16
The kind of structure where you have a lot of hardships in the beginning but things get better is enjoyable to watch. And I'd like to learn more about the setting. I normally don't watch "isekai" shows because I expect them to be boring and the rpg elements seem silly. I got into this one by watching with others and I liked it more than I thought I would. Some parts I don't enjoy are the early parts with Raphtalia (makes me "cringe"(?) or something like that) and the times when they fight monsters and when they talk a lot without getting anywhere because that's boring. Some parts I like are when they run around trading/ helping people, when they acquire new skills and when there is more information about the kingdom and the world. I also like the idea of having the main character be kind of like a support class. It's funny that he looks a bit like a bandit. If I compare with other anime, I don't like the characters here as much. I'm more interested in the setting and where the plot is headed. The best character is of course the giant fluffy bird, followed by the cool nerd with glasses, they've both had huge character development throughout the show!! |
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May 9, 2019 5:36 AM
#17
I think everyone who likes this event has a different reason, and personally I prefer the relationship between NAOFUMI and RAPHTALIA even though some people certainly don't like the concept of slavery, but that doesn't matter to me because slavery committed by naofumi is not real, it's just to Stupid reasons such as gaining trust, the main characters here are not badass like Kirito in SAO, but it is quite interesting to see the development to the end, whether NAO and RAPH will return to their original world in Japan or live together at Melromac |
May 9, 2019 6:40 AM
#18
The plot is simple but good everything connects and works, and is really sayisfing when you see the mc work hard to earn his powers and reputation. While other isekai they get everything handed to them witch is why i like on how the other 3 heroes are a reference to that. |
May 9, 2019 6:59 AM
#19
there is no appeal, its just like the other harem isekais, bad self insert mc, trash story, shitty plain characters etc. |
May 9, 2019 7:07 AM
#20
I think the reasons can be as mundane as its possible novelty being the whole shield-only gimmick. Heck, a friend of mine has expressed interest in that alone because he thinks it's a pretty cool and unique concept. "I'm the hero but I use a shield only." Normally you have the main character use some weapon but this guy is only duking it out with a board. I mean, I don't see any other works of fiction that use a main character that exclusively employs shields. Plus you have pretty non-human entities circling around the main character. These don't make it any less valid of a reason to form an appeal. I guess anthro-human-like raccoons can look cute? Then the relationship between Naofumi x Raphtalia is not even close to the whole stereotypical master-slave relationship. Raphtalia's possible role is to make Naofumi rethink his "world against me'' attitude, which is what possibly keeps the fans glued to seeing any form of development between that ship. Naofumi was vilified post-accusation and he was treated as trash. Then he gets into a position where he gets to "own" a slave. Slaves are supposed to harbor hate towards their owners. Owners or literally everyone are supposed to treat slaves like trash. Now Raphtalia being this "slave" is treating him as her saviour, because she knows he means well. Naofumi doesn't treat her as a piece of garbage either. What escapes me is how this "normalizes" or sees the stereotypical slavery in good light when that issue isn't even tackled in the first place (more like no one brings that up since the respective participants don't see it that way...like it's a customary ritual that isn't taken seriously) but whatever, it's fiction so any form of interpretation is fair game. There's an added harem vibe too but that's part of the appeal from the looks of it. It's no different than shit like High School DxD being liked by others even though I detest harem-centric shows to the core. Honestly, you don't have to think very hard on the elusive "appeal". There's no deep hidden meaning here because it's in plain sight. lol. |
KreatorXMay 9, 2019 7:15 AM
Truly a Divine Comedy |
May 9, 2019 7:41 AM
#21
Because apparently a lot of people find characters like Malty to be appealing in a show. |
May 9, 2019 7:54 AM
#22
These some of the things that make the show appealing False rape charges Malty (I don't like her but she makes the show appealing) Slavery Action/magic Leveling up and learn new skills Naofumi getting bullies and falsely accusing of things while he try to overcome that. Cute characters BestBoiEren said: there is no appeal, its just like the other harem isekais, bad self insert mc, trash story, shitty plain characters etc. Some people say the same thing about Sword Art Online and Grancrest Senki. Both are in your favorite list I personally did like both and I think Grancrest Senki is extremely underrated. But i have seen people say that those anime have trash story, and SAO has harem. |
May 9, 2019 8:15 AM
#23
lazypigz said: Oh hey the last thread got locked. Cool. So to avoid this thread being locked lets not talk about why this is overrated or underrated. I want to know why people think this is good, and I want legit answers, so nothing among the lines of Raphtalia is waifu or stuff like that. Let's discuss. Look I really can't understand what people like about this how so much. There are other shows I consider to be mediocre that people apparently like, such as Another and the recent Code Geass movie. Though I may not like those titles, I see the appeal in them and why people might enjoy it. But this, I just fail to see why people like this at all. It's been 17 weeks and I'm still baffled by all this praise. So please, explain to me why people like this so much. I fail to understand how bad CG and other things I won't go into detail on can get a 8+ score on MAL. Enlighten me. Please. I want to know. I'm not trying to trash on your anime. I'm in the same boat as the OP. Let me say one thing first: I'm in no way an anti-mainstream person. There are very few mainstream anime that I dislike as I believe that most of them became mainstream for a good reason in the first place. To be completely frank, I was really pumped after the very first episode. I thought, while the setting was totally unoriginal and it felt like they rushed the summoning stuff simply because literally everyone knows how it usually goes in anime like this, it has some nice potential to go down a dark route, not necessarily because it's more appealing, but I think the story has much more freedom this way. However, the show doesn't really have anything intriguing, at least the first 17 episodes, which are probably the only ones I'll have watched once this is over. The main things I don't like are legit awful pacing, huge over-reliance on cute, endearing characters and their interactions to make the mood good when it's not *supposed* to be good, really mediocre soundtracks and animation (debatable but that's how I feel). The main thing is though, that they keep making the characters, excuse my language, fucking retarded to progress the story and convince us that they are "trash" individuals. Normally it *might* be fine, but it's overused here SO MUCH that it's annoying if anything. At this point I don't even want Myne to get what she deserves, I just want her to disappear from my screen because she's a damn retard. Not even going to talk about how the story turned out to be nothing more than mediocre AND the usual harem that grows as time passes. Also, they unlolified a loli. Wtf? Here's my two cents, if anyone read this far. I too would like to know why. |
May 9, 2019 8:17 AM
#24
The premise of the story is somewhat different from the other isekai and the first few episodes are indeed good, representing his torment and consequent development. But afterwards, while overall plot develops in ways that make sense and are interesting, many things lack depth. For example, (minor spoilers) Motoyasu is just a blind womanizer and the king, who was supposed to previously have been a war genius, loses all his intelligence when dealing with issues regarding the (shield) heroes. Another example would be the political aspect. How the heck does the king suppress a whole (pro demi-human moderate) faction of nobles that support/are supported by the ruling queen just by her exiting the country? IMO some parts of the story just lack depth to be fully enjoyable |
May 9, 2019 8:31 AM
#25
KreatorX said: I mean, I don't see any other works of fiction that use a main character that exclusively employs shields. What about Captain America? :DD |
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May 9, 2019 8:33 AM
#26
You can really search up shield hero on youtube and youll see a lot of videos of people explaining why they love it |
May 9, 2019 8:36 AM
#27
Low_res_Hibiki said: Typical isekai? You make it sound like isekai was always like that from the beginning, which just isn't true.It is the typical isekai appeal, the fantasy about you (self insetring through naoufimi) are the center of attention of the world, the most correct and fair and the strongest there is ,surrounded by girls that want to fuck you. Other than that it has to do with expectations, isekai fans dont expect anything else from what I wrote above, and so far the anime has delivered in that aspect, so they dont care about the bad writing or anything else as all of their expectations have been already met. And come on now, don't lump all isekai fans together. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
May 9, 2019 9:18 AM
#28
thepath said: These some of the things that make the show appealing False rape charges Malty (I don't like her but she makes the show appealing) Slavery Action/magic Leveling up and learn new skills Naofumi getting bullies and falsely accusing of things while he try to overcome that. Cute characters BestBoiEren said: there is no appeal, its just like the other harem isekais, bad self insert mc, trash story, shitty plain characters etc. Some people say the same thing about Sword Art Online and Grancrest Senki. Both are in your favorite list I personally did like both and I think Grancrest Senki is extremely underrated. But i have seen people say that those anime have trash story, and SAO has harem. there is only 1 relationship in sao, so I dont see how thats a harem, this shield garbage however... its definitely a harem |
May 9, 2019 10:04 AM
#29
Zoushu said: KreatorX said: I mean, I don't see any other works of fiction that use a main character that exclusively employs shields. What about Captain America? :DD Ah, good catch. Completely escaped my mind. :) Guess you could refine that sentence into characters in japanese works of art, and that too in a video-game like isekai. |
Truly a Divine Comedy |
May 9, 2019 10:13 AM
#30
BestBoiEren said: thepath said: These some of the things that make the show appealing False rape charges Malty (I don't like her but she makes the show appealing) Slavery Action/magic Leveling up and learn new skills Naofumi getting bullies and falsely accusing of things while he try to overcome that. Cute characters BestBoiEren said: there is no appeal, its just like the other harem isekais, bad self insert mc, trash story, shitty plain characters etc. Some people say the same thing about Sword Art Online and Grancrest Senki. Both are in your favorite list I personally did like both and I think Grancrest Senki is extremely underrated. But i have seen people say that those anime have trash story, and SAO has harem. there is only 1 relationship in sao, so I dont see how thats a harem, this shield garbage however... its definitely a harem Shield hero does not have any romantic relation with Filo and Melty. It is no different than SAO No idea why you call it harem because I did not see any. He just have female companions just like SAO. Not to mention, that SAO had more fanservices |
May 9, 2019 11:03 AM
#31
thepath said: BestBoiEren said: thepath said: These some of the things that make the show appealing False rape charges Malty (I don't like her but she makes the show appealing) Slavery Action/magic Leveling up and learn new skills Naofumi getting bullies and falsely accusing of things while he try to overcome that. Cute characters BestBoiEren said: there is no appeal, its just like the other harem isekais, bad self insert mc, trash story, shitty plain characters etc. Some people say the same thing about Sword Art Online and Grancrest Senki. Both are in your favorite list I personally did like both and I think Grancrest Senki is extremely underrated. But i have seen people say that those anime have trash story, and SAO has harem. there is only 1 relationship in sao, so I dont see how thats a harem, this shield garbage however... its definitely a harem Shield hero does not have any romantic relation with Filo and Melty. It is no different than SAO No idea why you call it harem because I did not see any. He just have female companions just like SAO. Not to mention, that SAO had more fanservices Does not have any yet* it will soon enough |
May 9, 2019 11:05 AM
#32
BestBoiEren said: thepath said: These some of the things that make the show appealing False rape charges Malty (I don't like her but she makes the show appealing) Slavery Action/magic Leveling up and learn new skills Naofumi getting bullies and falsely accusing of things while he try to overcome that. Cute characters BestBoiEren said: there is no appeal, its just like the other harem isekais, bad self insert mc, trash story, shitty plain characters etc. Some people say the same thing about Sword Art Online and Grancrest Senki. Both are in your favorite list I personally did like both and I think Grancrest Senki is extremely underrated. But i have seen people say that those anime have trash story, and SAO has harem. there is only 1 relationship in sao, so I dont see how thats a harem, this shield garbage however... its definitely a harem I think you should rewatch SAO again... SAO is more harem than shield bro. |
May 9, 2019 11:55 AM
#33
Katojana said: sao has more harem elements then shield hero. Sao even has younger sister thing too. Not saying harem is a bad, You can say kirito x asuna only but doesnt change that other girls in the show have showed love interest in him specily his sister, sion and that blacksmith girl i dint even border learn her name.BestBoiEren said: thepath said: These some of the things that make the show appealing False rape charges Malty (I don't like her but she makes the show appealing) Slavery Action/magic Leveling up and learn new skills Naofumi getting bullies and falsely accusing of things while he try to overcome that. Cute characters BestBoiEren said: there is no appeal, its just like the other harem isekais, bad self insert mc, trash story, shitty plain characters etc. Some people say the same thing about Sword Art Online and Grancrest Senki. Both are in your favorite list I personally did like both and I think Grancrest Senki is extremely underrated. But i have seen people say that those anime have trash story, and SAO has harem. there is only 1 relationship in sao, so I dont see how thats a harem, this shield garbage however... its definitely a harem I think you should rewatch SAO again... SAO is more harem than shield bro. |
May 9, 2019 12:06 PM
#34
Katojana said: BestBoiEren said: thepath said: These some of the things that make the show appealing False rape charges Malty (I don't like her but she makes the show appealing) Slavery Action/magic Leveling up and learn new skills Naofumi getting bullies and falsely accusing of things while he try to overcome that. Cute characters BestBoiEren said: there is no appeal, its just like the other harem isekais, bad self insert mc, trash story, shitty plain characters etc. Some people say the same thing about Sword Art Online and Grancrest Senki. Both are in your favorite list I personally did like both and I think Grancrest Senki is extremely underrated. But i have seen people say that those anime have trash story, and SAO has harem. there is only 1 relationship in sao, so I dont see how thats a harem, this shield garbage however... its definitely a harem I think you should rewatch SAO again... SAO is more harem than shield bro. harem = 1 person is in a relationship with more people if its only 1, then doesnt matter how many like the guy In SAO it's a 1-1 relationship shield hero WILL get a harem... what is so hard to understand? |
May 9, 2019 12:46 PM
#35
BestBoiEren said: Katojana said: BestBoiEren said: thepath said: These some of the things that make the show appealing False rape charges Malty (I don't like her but she makes the show appealing) Slavery Action/magic Leveling up and learn new skills Naofumi getting bullies and falsely accusing of things while he try to overcome that. Cute characters BestBoiEren said: there is no appeal, its just like the other harem isekais, bad self insert mc, trash story, shitty plain characters etc. Some people say the same thing about Sword Art Online and Grancrest Senki. Both are in your favorite list I personally did like both and I think Grancrest Senki is extremely underrated. But i have seen people say that those anime have trash story, and SAO has harem. there is only 1 relationship in sao, so I dont see how thats a harem, this shield garbage however... its definitely a harem I think you should rewatch SAO again... SAO is more harem than shield bro. harem = 1 person is in a relationship with more people if its only 1, then doesnt matter how many like the guy In SAO it's a 1-1 relationship shield hero WILL get a harem... what is so hard to understand? So far he is in no relationship whatsoever. Btw a harem only begins at 4 or more people. If its 3 people (1 guy loved by 2 girls as an example) usually is a love triangle. |
May 9, 2019 2:02 PM
#36
Katojana said: So far he is in no relationship whatsoever. Btw a harem only begins at 4 or more people. If its 3 people (1 guy loved by 2 girls as an example) usually is a love triangle. What you call when is 2 girls interested in a guy who is not interested in them? Pretty sure isnt called harem. Only think that makes this show look like a harem is just the mc having all girls in his party for now |
AnitekuMay 9, 2019 2:07 PM
May 9, 2019 2:14 PM
#37
Katojana said: BestBoiEren said: Katojana said: BestBoiEren said: thepath said: These some of the things that make the show appealing False rape charges Malty (I don't like her but she makes the show appealing) Slavery Action/magic Leveling up and learn new skills Naofumi getting bullies and falsely accusing of things while he try to overcome that. Cute characters BestBoiEren said: there is no appeal, its just like the other harem isekais, bad self insert mc, trash story, shitty plain characters etc. Some people say the same thing about Sword Art Online and Grancrest Senki. Both are in your favorite list I personally did like both and I think Grancrest Senki is extremely underrated. But i have seen people say that those anime have trash story, and SAO has harem. there is only 1 relationship in sao, so I dont see how thats a harem, this shield garbage however... its definitely a harem I think you should rewatch SAO again... SAO is more harem than shield bro. harem = 1 person is in a relationship with more people if its only 1, then doesnt matter how many like the guy In SAO it's a 1-1 relationship shield hero WILL get a harem... what is so hard to understand? So far he is in no relationship whatsoever. Btw a harem only begins at 4 or more people. If its 3 people (1 guy loved by 2 girls as an example) usually is a love triangle. it will be more than 3 if i remember correctly, not sure, but def more than2. |
May 9, 2019 3:02 PM
#38
This show bases all its appeal on a premise that is supposed to be against the typical Isekai's current, where the protagonist instead of being loved by everyone and getting everything easy, is an anti-hero who is hated and everything is difficult, which is an absolute lie, is the one who has an intellectual and moral superiority while others are fucking idiots, all in this story is making a big effort to make naofumi to look good. while the other 3 heroes look pretty bad. It fans also assumes many themes that never develop correctly or only superficially, like that of his "rise" to overcome the difficulties with effort and difficulty when really the whole series has been adjusted so that everything is easier than it should, after the indicidente with Malty the other characters he finds end up loving him, He possesses superior abilities to the other heroes so that everything is easier for him (like the iron maiden, the shield of rage and the shield drains souls) without having trained, usually in the RPGs were is fighting for hours against monsters to level up, and an absolute luck that is certainly ridiculous as just having bought the egg of a filolial queen or arriving when the heroes left a mess to be the one who ends up fixing the problems ... and could continue talking by the way with 3 girls is enough for a harem, 2 girls is just a love triangle |
G0ldStarkMay 9, 2019 3:25 PM
May 9, 2019 3:47 PM
#39
Could you try explaining me what series you yourself like and what for? We might try to work something out from there. But I will drop some left-overs just in case. This series redeeming features are: Decent, experienced directing. Well done music. Characters and concepts beyond "mundane" (not that many but one is enough). These are three main reasons I am putting up with whatever is bad/wrong about this series. So far the worst part is anyone talking about it, though. Despicable mouthbreathers. |
Daniel_NaumovMay 9, 2019 3:59 PM
Re:formed |
May 9, 2019 10:46 PM
#40
lazypigz said: Well first thing I would say is realism. The human behaviour is exemplified very well unlike isekai where everybody loves the MC from the start. Then we have the fact the MC is pushed down and has to fight bit by bit to get back up. Then you have the complex but realistic plot. Also another thing is the fact it does not shy to deal with slavery rape epidemics. Unlike other isekai that world is not in any way a perfect place. Oh hey the last thread got locked. Cool. So to avoid this thread being locked lets not talk about why this is overrated or underrated. I want to know why people think this is good, and I want legit answers, so nothing among the lines of Raphtalia is waifu or stuff like that. Let's discuss. Look I really can't understand what people like about this how so much. There are other shows I consider to be mediocre that people apparently like, such as Another and the recent Code Geass movie. Though I may not like those titles, I see the appeal in them and why people might enjoy it. But this, I just fail to see why people like this at all. It's been 17 weeks and I'm still baffled by all this praise. So please, explain to me why people like this so much. I fail to understand how bad CG and other things I won't go into detail on can get a 8+ score on MAL. Enlighten me. Please. I want to know. I'm not trying to trash on your anime. For instance one extremely realistic segment you rarely see in fiction is seen in the ep with the refugees. In most anime or fantasy once you kill the boss is over. But here we see tyat the void of power needs to be filled and that after a wave people need to rebuild things and is hard. The destroyed objects do not recreate automatically and there is no spell to do irt fast. There are a lot of small things like that that makes it great. |
May 10, 2019 12:08 AM
#41
I think the main appeal to the show is that its Isekai. (I'm not entirely sure but its just a guess.) At first it started of pretty well, but now it feels like the second half of SAO when you think about it. It has too many cliches, one dimensional characters and to me the biggest problem is that the important parts don't get explored that easily within the story. I'll be putting this on hold because I'm more skeptical of how it will be paced out. |
May 10, 2019 12:44 AM
#42
SSL443 said: I think it has something to do with current attitudes towards authority, especially authority that is percieved as overly judgemental, morally prescriptive, and/or hypocritical. The main character of Shield Hero is a young man who is accused wrongly of rape. This obviously is a topical subject and one that immediately resonates with the target audience. I suspect that many people identify or empathize with a character who is percieved or judged as "bad" by some authority figure, when they are in fact the most morally upright of anyone. The subsequent exposure of said authority's moral paucity is then a subject of anticipation during the course of the narrative, and intense satisfiaction upon resolution. Basically, the core idea here that resonates is the triumph of "true" morality over "false" morality - i.e. those who believe that they are in the right opposed to someone who KNOWS they are in the right. Again this ties back to the false rape accusation. Naofumi is innocent, but he is persecuted by those who believe him to be a criminal. Both sides are opperating based on moral principles, but one of them is frustratingly misguided. This goes deeper. Each of the other heroes, aside from joining in the wrongful condemnation of Naofumi, also have flawed characters. Namely, they commit harmful acts with the best intentions, but are unable to forsee the consequences due to their own arrogance. This creates a contrast between the protagonist and his accusers, emphasizing his moral superiority, and thereby enhancing the satisfaction felt by the audence when he is finally absolved. There's also an element of emotional manipulation going on. By making the antagonists not only very evil, but very stupid, it spurs incredibly strong negative sentiment against them. Just look at all the comments about how Myne is a bitch who should be murdered or raped. Essentially, the narrative drive here boils down to one big "told you so". The audience is invited to not only celebrate Naofumi's vindiation, but to revel in the downfall of his enemies. In a phrase, it's justice porn. This is my impression of why Shield Hero is so popular, especially in the West. Yes, people also praise the supposed subversion of isekai tropes, but honestly I think these are secondary, maybe even incidental details that people latch onto after the fact. The core idea that I outline above is what makes Shield Hero unique. More importantly, I think it's an idea that resonates strongly enough with certain people that the actual execution and quality of the writing doesn't matter. Hence why the series has such a strong fanbase despite being a dumpster fire of trashy, lazy creative decisions. I agree, well said. I think some people just haven't updated their score since the first arc. My opinion on the show has drastically changed downhill. The episodic nature of the show reveals how poor the plot is unfolding, along with the dialogue between characters. It's like they are forgetting stuff that should resolve other issues between the heroes, the same tension shouldn't be reoccurring if characters are shown justifications for naofumi's actions. There have been too many anime where we are given team rocket characters and situations, we really shouldn't be seeing this type of approach being praised. |
May 10, 2019 2:33 AM
#43
I'm only watching this show for a certain fat ass chocobo. |
臭い- |
May 10, 2019 11:58 AM
#44
Reddmart said: This show bases all its appeal on a premise that is supposed to be against the typical Isekai's current, where the protagonist instead of being loved by everyone and getting everything easy, is an anti-hero who is hated and everything is difficult, which is an absolute lie, is the one who has an intellectual and moral superiority while others are fucking idiots, all in this story is making a big effort to make naofumi to look good. while the other 3 heroes look pretty bad. It fans also assumes many themes that never develop correctly or only superficially, like that of his "rise" to overcome the difficulties with effort and difficulty when really the whole series has been adjusted so that everything is easier than it should, after the indicidente with Malty the other characters he finds end up loving him, He possesses superior abilities to the other heroes so that everything is easier for him (like the iron maiden, the shield of rage and the shield drains souls) without having trained, usually in the RPGs were is fighting for hours against monsters to level up, and an absolute luck that is certainly ridiculous as just having bought the egg of a filolial queen or arriving when the heroes left a mess to be the one who ends up fixing the problems ... and could continue talking by the way with 3 girls is enough for a harem, 2 girls is just a love triangle this , its a bit disappointing how his shield has so many cheat codes , the anime promised that he was going to have to struggle like when he fought the monster flower he legit just used a cheat code for an insta win and then just uses his shields ability to enchant and change the structure of anything he wants i think that the other heroes have their own cursed series and their own cheat codes but we still didnt see them in action properly , so far the other heroes were used only to show how naofumi is great also why dont the other heroes get their own bird ? according the the rules the bird will be a queen bird if its raised by a hero but i still enjoy shield hero , we are promised that the waves are gonna be tougher and the "shield hero being an outcast and not getting along with others" "arc" is ending in like 2 eps |
May 10, 2019 12:06 PM
#45
May 10, 2019 1:39 PM
#46
The show was kind of interesting and fresh for the first bunch of episodes. It promised for a different isekai but then totally failed at it. I'm starting to see it following the same trend as SAO of starting with an Interesting premise to then forgetting about it ten episodes in to show that the main character is op and cool. Also the plot twist that the church was the real culprit behind the shield hero mistreatment The king and Malty public humiliation |
A Signature Is Supposed To Be Here. |
May 10, 2019 1:45 PM
#47
First couple of episodes where addictive, they got so much right, character development, world building etc all top notch but it's fallen off a cliff recently, that being said, I'm still looking forward to what's to come, I just hope they actually deliver. |
May 10, 2019 3:21 PM
#48
SimonStevens87 said: First couple of episodes where addictive, they got so much right, character development, world building etc all top notch but it's fallen off a cliff recently, that being said, I'm still looking forward to what's to come, I just hope they actually deliver. The appeal of shield hero is being the opposite to the appeal of slime set up The slime set up: happy, positive MC like The isekai girl spider, the smart phone, the death march, ... Because it feels like slime set up is too saturated, a new trend start by creating the opposite MC to the slime one: the revenge isekai set up: Usually the MC got betrayed either by his childhood crush or a beautiful princess. His journey to rise and eventually fuck people who fuck him are very entertaining and addictive experience https://myanimelist.net/manga/88923/Arifureta_Shokugyou_de_Sekai_Saikyou https://myanimelist.net/manga/98821/Dungeon_Seeker https://myanimelist.net/manga/115165/Boushoku_no_Berserk__Ore_dake_Level_to_Iu_Gainen_wo_Toppa_suru https://myanimelist.net/manga/108197/Kaifuku_Jutsushi_no_Yarinaoshi https://myanimelist.net/manga/112894/Nidome_no_Yuusha_wa_Fukushuu_no_Michi_wo_Warai_Ayumu These stories all feature a very similar set up to shield hero. An initial betrayal of naive characters that lead to the character from a very nice, happy MC to hate the world and everyone else. The one who betrays them is usually princess/ childhood crush. It is a very popular sub-genre in isekai for a reason, since it is a quite entertaining revenge story ( especially the story of the heal hero https://myanimelist.net/manga/108197/Kaifuku_Jutsushi_no_Yarinaoshi/userrecs) |
May 13, 2019 4:58 PM
#49
SimonStevens87 said: First couple of episodes where addictive, they got so much right, character development, world building etc all top notch but it's fallen off a cliff recently, that being said, I'm still looking forward to what's to come, I just hope they actually deliver. everyone agrees the problem is that it's been getting worse and worse every ep since and at some point it reached rock bottom the writing is horrible, the drama is horribly forced and bad, the characters are horrible, there are so many logical inconsistencies and plot holes the anime had potential but it was wasted, no matter how it turns out the fact that i had to endure 10 eps as bad as the last 10 eps ive seen is already big enough for me to hate on this the irony is that shield hero has better score than Goblin Slayer which was 10 times better, even if not perfect |
May 13, 2019 5:33 PM
#50
incisorr said: SimonStevens87 said: First couple of episodes where addictive, they got so much right, character development, world building etc all top notch but it's fallen off a cliff recently, that being said, I'm still looking forward to what's to come, I just hope they actually deliver. everyone agrees the problem is that it's been getting worse and worse every ep since and at some point it reached rock bottom the writing is horrible, the drama is horribly forced and bad, the characters are horrible, there are so many logical inconsistencies and plot holes the anime had potential but it was wasted, no matter how it turns out the fact that i had to endure 10 eps as bad as the last 10 eps ive seen is already big enough for me to hate on this the irony is that shield hero has better score than Goblin Slayer which was 10 times better, even if not perfect I loved Goblin slayer all throughout but perfect is going a little far, definitely deserves to have the scores swapped around with shield hero though, I completely agree, the last 10 episodes have been cow fodder, there was no build up to important moments and when we got to important moments they felt rushed, and at the moment I'm just sort of scratching my head wondering what's gonna happen next, it's rare an anime loses me in the plot but that's kinda where my head is right now, I just hope the ending goes good if nothing else, I don't like to drop anime's this far along but I'm losing interest unfortunately. |
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