syncrogazer said: deg said: you ignored my second paragraph that tells im not looking for a 1:1 adaptation or being a purist about the anime adaptations I didn't ignore it, it just didn't help me learn anything and I didn't feel like quoting it. we are talking about art and anime is also an art of story telling Yeah yeah, I know. I think we've already been over this. So basically some fans of popular franchises don't like the adaptations and that means anime isn't artistic. Got it. err way to miss the point adaptation = conversion, adjustments, modification and those things usually fail when it comes to anime adaptation as proven by the sourcefags and because of the fact that anime adaptations are usually just long advertisements for the source material anyway |
deg said: err way to miss the point and those things usually fail when it comes to anime adaptation as proven by the sourcefags I'll just recycle what I said previously that sourcefags aren't reliable. I really don't feel like continuing this. It's like we're talking past each other at this point. In the end I don't see the connection between anime existing as a commercial product and this idea that it lacks in 'creative expression.' Anime isn't high-art and I'm very aware of that fact, but an anime's relation to its source isn't inherently 'limiting' in my mind, especially not so much that we should make a general rule of it. |
syncrogazer said: deg said: err way to miss the point and those things usually fail when it comes to anime adaptation as proven by the sourcefags I'll just recycle what I said previously that sourcefags aren't reliable. I really don't feel like continuing this. It's like we're talking past each other at this point. In the end I don't see the connection between anime existing as a commercial product and this idea that it lacks in 'creative expression.' Anime isn't high-art and I'm very aware of that fact, but an anime's relation to its source isn't inherently 'limiting' in my mind, especially not so much that we should make a general rule of it. welp i will recycle my comment too and say anime is generally limited artistically, i will add the anime overproduction and animator shortage crisis this days also severely limits the talent and time to creatively produce an anime this days too anyway and you already said that anime isnt high-art too anyway and that is especially true to majority of anime adaptations and majority of anime are anime adaptations so ye lets just agree to disagree |
Irka4 said: By extension, we can call anime the most artistic category within any medium ever (pinnacle of human expression...!!!!!) Some may say there are many great cartoons too, but cartoons lack the diversity of expression that anime has What do you think, is there any specific category of art that can match up to anime? You know maybe that's true but like, anime is garbage though so it's fucking trash |
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| I think what you're looking for is that anime is the most artistically diverse subject of a coherent fandom which I know of. |
| Dude is reaching with his biased view a lot Irka4 said: Minerbit said: I definitely agree, in addition to video games are much more immersive and allow you to enjoy and delve more into the story. Some video games combine scenarios and music in a more epic way than any Anime. It is not made of drawings, so the amount of expression is far less And you need to specify category within video games And you need to specify category within cartoons oh wait, i mean animation, oh wait i mean japanese cartoons oh wait |
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| Just because anime is mass produced it doesn't mean it's diverse. |
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| Anime is the most artistically diverse category of art ever or whatever means jack to me and anime is barely artistic anymore with so many anime having dorky art-styles and mediocre frame rates for juvenile pandering (looking at One Piece's production quality plummeting). Unless anime is really changing for the best, then the medium being artistically diverse still means jack to me and is also subjective (to me). |
thevagus said: As far as my knowledge goes, it is definitely music. Anime is a great art form but not as diverse as music. OP needs to listen to Throbbing Gristle, then Tiny Tim, then come back and give us a second opinion. |
| I don't think it is. I mean.. Art is a completely subjective matter. So I don't think that we can say that anime is the most diverse category of art ever. Many people will say music, many will say paintings, many will say literature etc. In my case, I honestly don't know what is for me the most diverse category. I can affirm that anime is my favorite category tho. |
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| Do you even read bruh? books are faaaaar more diverse. Movies and music are way more diverse too. |
| As a medium anime is too young compared to the likes of music or novels, it's just not even close quite frankly. |
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| LOL, the community has a bad rep because of people like you... art is just limited by imagination, and all kind of arts are as diverse. |
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| Wouldn't even matter if it was since the anime fans are notoriously small minded towards anything that differs slightly from what they're used to. |
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| pls let me hit u with my art history book first, then we'll talk. |
| In all honesty its video games. Why ? Everything an anime, movie, song and so on can include can also be included in video games while the opposite is not true. Video games "Can" have at the same time, great visuals, great music, great story, great characters, and can let you take control of things in many different ways. The genre is somewhat limited to the current shit taste of the majority, however, it is THE medium with the most potential. Currently, the medium with the most diversity is definitely books. However, Video Games have even more potential, it is still a really new medium, with time, who knows what will be possible. |
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| Dude experimental stuff can't survive at all unless it's from a renowned director like Masaaki Yuasa. How can it be artistically diverse if monetary concerns hamper artistic freedom and creativity? |
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Peaceful_Critic said: There are actually great arguments here for the other side. I was agreeing with OP potential wise(which is the angle they thought of it from too), but animation is new compared to other mediums, not to mention more expensive. Lol, I'm adding nothing, just an echo flower, nothing to see here: I think that it could be true that anime is more expensive than some art forms videogames are still more expensive than anime is, for example gta v a game that was released in 2013 had a cost of 265 million dollars to be produced, that's more than what many franchises piled up like dead bodies one over the other have cost. |
LiedElfen said: Well, that's quite costly for the average videogame. Don't use an outlier for proof, it seems like one of the more expensive games. Though games on average do cost more than anime:"Nintendo's own Reggie Fils-Aime states developing games for the Nintendo DS is cheap, costing only a few hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop and only needing to sell 100k units to make a profit. Wii games require about $5-10 million in the average case, including marketing costs. He asserts PS3 and X360 games need much more resources, from $20 million up to a staggering $50 million"Peaceful_Critic said: There are actually great arguments here for the other side. I was agreeing with OP potential wise(which is the angle they thought of it from too), but animation is new compared to other mediums, not to mention more expensive. Lol, I'm adding nothing, just an echo flower, nothing to see here: I think that it could be true that anime is more expensive than some art forms videogames are still more expensive than anime is, for example gta v a game that was released in 2013 had a cost of 265 million dollars to be produced, that's more than what many franchises piled up like dead bodies one over the other have cost. Anime is actually pretty cheap compared most other cartoons as well. It cost $145,214 per 30min episode(Proof). Talking on Cartoons, they are more expensive than Wii game because per episode they cost 1 to 2 million(Proof) which would add up quickly. Even cheap cartoons cost three hundred and fifty thousand to half a million. So anime is cheap compared to other mult-medium art forms. |
| In its so far relatively limited amount of time in existence, anime very definitely has a preponderance of some genre tropes over others, so it is not as diverse within its own medium as a number of media that have existed for much longer periods of time and thus gone through a greater number of stylistic and content trends. For example, it can't compare to the breadth of content that written literature has seen. Heck, anime doesn't even compare to manga in this sense, given how there are far more manga series in existence and most anime have a manga but many manga don't have an anime. In terms of the number of individual information channels that a medium makes use of, anime is merely equivalent to live action (which also has images, action, sound, script, and music), and arguably below anything that uses both live action and animation in combination. But number of information channels used doesn't magically make a work greater anyway. So, anime is cool, but it's not some sort of "pinnacle" of human artistic expression. Not like one can be reasonably defined anyway. |
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| You probably feel as confident in saying this as you are just because Anime is the only form of artistic expression you've explored enough to appreciate its diversity. All artforms have the same potential for diversity in their own unique way and most reflect this in my experience. Exceptions may include younger/more corporate controlled mediums like live action tv, western animation and video games. Also possibly really niche and defined genre that leave little room for variation. |
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