Anime is the most artistically diverse category of art ever

KreatorX said:
Paintings and music ? They have been around since centuries or even thousands of years and were simultaneously developed in nearly every civilization known to mankind.

KreatorX said:
Paintings and music ? They have been around since centuries or even thousands of years and were simultaneously developed in nearly every civilization known to mankind.

jal90 said:
No, it's not, it is culturally and geographically confined and that alone is a huge limitation. Though it is reasonably diverse given that.

GERXjakobson said:
Making pictures out of French Fries and doo-doo, also is way
more artistic than Anime.

Aidoru-Ojisan said:
No not really, seeing as the industry itself doesn't let free form and underground stuff survive or even give the creators some form of income compared to mediums like music, which allows both for money-grubbing and free forms of the medium bring in some sort of an income. And when I say free form I really mean free form, music is the only medium that I know of that you can't really objectively judge because there is always a reason why the end product is the way it is, low production on the record? Welp once you know more about the music world you know that lo-fi production is made to give off a certain soundscape that can increase the emotions of said record, low production for an Anime? Welp either the creators were lazy or they ran out of money resulting in an Anime that will end up with a 5 mean score here. To be able to embody many forms of stories and emotions just with sound for thousands of years is much more impressive than Anime that has a lot more aspects to carry it. Yet I can agree Anime can be amazing when it is in the right hands, kinda sad to know the economy crashing in the later 2000s is the reason of the decline of risk taking ideas for Anime which I hope to see again cause when creators are more free to do as they wish for any artform the end result is likely to be something worth giving your time to.

Irka4 said:
By extension, we can call anime the most artistic medium ever (pinnacle of human expression...!!!!!)
Some may say there are many great cartoons too, but cartoons lack the diversity of expression that anime has

What do you think, is there any specific category of art that can match up to anime?

Irka4 said:


Workers may be overworked, but there is no creativity without limitations. Also this means that what drive the workers is not money but passion, which make it even better
Anime is also a medium where every drawer can add personal touches to the scene, and every scene is full of expression
Another thing is that music is too broad a category compared to anime
And music increasingly sound the same, and rate of development of new expression is faster in anime than in music

GERXjakobson said:


A person who thinks Anime is superior to literature and any other art-forms is a stupid shmok and needs to get educated. I just wanted to confront
you with art-forms that are as s*** as Anime to make you realize
that you're a Pleb who acts like cancer.

Railey2 said:
What standards are you using to compare anime to other media?

Aidoru-Ojisan said:


"And music increasingly sound the same, and rate of development of new expression is faster in anime than in music"

uwot m8?

You literally say that for a medium that once the internet age started that single genres of music can span over 100+ sub-genres that can sound different, oh or are you talking about mainstream music? Cause if so yeah Anime has that issue too, where there are shows constantly following tropes and there only being a small portion of original ideas being Animated versus adaptations. If you mean what you say you haven't even gotten past the tip of the music iceberg, cause once you go deeper into it that is when you have thousands of years worth of sound that is still growing to this day, Anime is growing too with its ideas and allowing more creators to have freedom of expression, not only one scene but whole shows cause of the help of corporations like Netflix. Music never needed that, whole folks working a decent job or as a mailman with passion is enough to to bring endless possibilities of sound to the table.

thevagus said:
As far as my knowledge goes, it is definitely music.

Anime is a great art form but not as diverse as music.

Low_res_Hibiki said:
I disagree, Id say that the most artistically diverse medium would be film or music, as they arent restrained to a single country, which makes it easier for them to be influenced by different cultures and experiences, which makes them more diverse.

Irka4 said:

'Pleb'? Can you prove that such a thing even exist?


The word Pleb or Plebejer goes back to the roman empire
and was a word for lower-class individuals like you.

CitrusBoy said:
I dont agree, videogames have a thing that anime dont have... and its you can play a storie, anime dont let you do that

Irka4 said:

Being easy to produce doesn't make an art better. Rather difficult works are more artistic. And you need to specify a category within music to compare with anime, rather than music as a whole

Irka4 said:
By extension, we can call anime the most artistic medium ever (pinnacle of human expression...!!!!!)
Some may say there are many great cartoons too, but cartoons lack the diversity of expression that anime has

What do you think, is there any specific category of art that can match up to anime?

Minerbit said:

I definitely agree, in addition to video games are much more immersive and allow you to enjoy and delve more into the story. Some video games combine scenarios and music in a more epic way than any Anime.

Aidoru-Ojisan said:

And it being harder to produce makes an art better? Cause from what I recall most Anime from this season cost more to make than an indie label record which has spawned some of the most iconic records in music, but there's also super expensive produced records like Loveless by MBV that has been regarded as one of the greatest records of all time. See? either you putting a decent amount of money or all of your income into a record is enough to create a high-quality work but wait is it really the money and production that makes it good? Nope it's the people and minds behind it that make it good. and for specifics let me drop all of Rock music on you, there's my mic drop cause I don't need to explain how much all of Rock has to offer and made to be offered.

Well I feel nice so here's an easier way to explain how a single genre of music is vaster in both history and creation than Anime

https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Rock/

Minerbit said:

I definitely agree, in addition to video games are much more immersive and allow you to enjoy and delve more into the story. Some video games combine scenarios and music in a more epic way than any Anime.

Irka4 said:

It is not made of drawings, so the amount of expression is far less

And you need to specify category within video games

Irka4 said:

I think I messed up with the title. Comparing mediums is not possible as they are too broad. Let's focus on comparing category within medium, like anime within animation

Irka4 said:

Amount of money needed to make doesn't have much to do with the amount of artistic effort made, or amount of artistic expression it has

Amount of money mostly has to do with hiring the artist, not the work done by the artist

Irka4 said:

It is not made of drawings, so the amount of expression is far less

And you need to specify category within video games

RogertheShrubber said:
I'm gonna have to disagree pretty strongly, anime (or rather animation) is quite possibly the least diverse artistic medium there is (with the possible exception of interactive stories like video games). That's not to say that anime isn't great in its own right and I would indeed argue that animation has some of the greatest potential for artistic expression but having been around for only 60 years or so it has yet to even come close to reaching this potential. What's more the expectations the audience places on popular media (like anime) restricts what styles and story types can be reasonably produced meaning so much of what comes out in the medium has such a similar feel to it. You might argue that this effect exists in all mediums and to a point you would be correct but with time and geographic (and therefore cultural) diversity these other mediums have had the room to explore a vastly greater variety of the possible facets of their respective mediums.

jal90 said:

I mean, anime alone is something produced in Japan. It has its limitations because media produced by one country and one industry can only deviate as much from the norm. But animation overall is something much bigger and much more diverse than you are assuming here I think. Another different thing would be what reaches the mainstream, which tends to be safe and repetitive formulas. But there's a whole lot of experimentation with animation, there's a lot of unique animation styles and artsy stuff around the world, and there's animated productions from like everywhere in the world, each having their own ethnic or cultural approaches.

RogertheShrubber said:


Notice I didn't say that animation wasn't diverse, I said that is was less diverse than other mediums. Which is unequivocally true.

Aidoru-Ojisan said:

I clearly said that when I spoke that it was the minds and individuals behind making something in "music good". Seriously you bring up this "artistic expression" idea for a medium so bond to money for creation that the day the world economy crashed that Anime studios had to create more "safe works" to make sure they wouldn't become bankrupt? Artistic value for a medium that only grants it in small scenes or projects that are funded by big buck corporations or "fund me" pages? There are projects within Anime that have a lot of artistic value, almost all of the OVAs from the 80s to 90s were artists given money to go with what they wanted, but like I said when the economy crashed they didn't have that freedom anymore but music has always had that freedom, all forms of music have to be more specific. Either with money or little money, all the artist needs is passion and the ability to create the sound he desires.

Anime music is also better than most music we have today

Irka4 said:

"Either with money or little money, all the artist needs is passion and the ability to create the sound he desires"

Agree with you. And it is one of the things that really set anime apart. Even when studios are creating 'safe works', individual workers have enough space to manoeuvre and input their own distinct touches

CitrusBoy said:
i dont agree, anime have music and other types of art, i think that, when you have more that 1 type of art, its easyer to be better

jal90 said:

I don't think it's "unequivocally true".

RogertheShrubber said:


I defy anyone to name an artistic medium which is less diverse than animation and try to justify themselves with any degree of validity (notice I use this term very carefully). There will always be someone who disagrees no matter how obvious the conclusion but unless that person can produce a valid argument for their position it is immaterial to the discussion. I deny that such an argument could possibly exist, the burden of proof falls on you to contradict this.

RogertheShrubber said:


I defy anyone to name an artistic medium which is less diverse than animation and try to justify themselves with any degree of validity (notice I use this term very carefully). There will always be someone who disagrees no matter how obvious the conclusion but unless that person can produce a valid argument for their position it is immaterial to the discussion. I deny that such an argument could possibly exist, the burden of proof falls on you to contradict this.

jal90 said:

Do you think I can't name you examples of animation from many places and cultural nuances around the world being made, or of completely different animation styles and techniques, or name experimental authors? Of course I can. And if you take your time to Google you can as well. But that won't prove shit to you. You are throwing me a burden of proof when you haven't even defined clearly what do you call a standard of diversity. And I do not intend you to explain how diverse other media are, because I know how big of a task it is and how difficult it is do explain that through examples and names.

But unequivocally true my ass. Don't throw stuff like they are facts when you can't factually prove them (and I'm not asking you to). Plus I could be a little nitpicky and for starters take your statements with a grain of salt when just by saying "having been around for only 60 years" you are shortening animation to like half of its lifespan.

Irka4 said:

That is fairly easy to prove mathematically. Ability to combine both music and drawings make amount of expression possible in animation more than plain music or drawings

RogertheShrubber said:


Yikes, I did not say POTENTIAL for diversity of expression I said actual diversity I.e. what has actually thus far been produced

nongcom said:
Is this a bait or is the OP actually serious?