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| This was hard to hold back man. I had too much reminders of freaking Part 3 of Jojo. And now this just hits much harder. |
Moune-Chan said: RIP Abbachio :( At least he give something useful to his friend before his death. And Narancia’s part made me cry a lot, his seiyuu doing a wonderful job! Oh and next week... recap yeah lol! The cop scene was amazing... recap...urrrggghhh |
| Leone Abacchio. Policeman, Gang-star, Friend. R.I.P |
| note to self that i will never follow: don't invest into the JoBros even if you know what will happen to them Abba is prolly the 2nd best Part 5 JoBro next to Bucciarati. F |
| The previous episode is among the best anime battles I have ever seen and this tragic episode was executed with perfection especially the afterlife part. The last time I felt so sad watching JoJo was when that bastard dog Iggy and Avdol died. |
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| And this is why the black and white manga is superior. |
grandy_UiD said: And this is why the black and white manga is superior. What is "this"? Explain further please, because as I and the majority of people see it, the anime was far superior. |
| Honestly, I never really liked Abbacchio as a character all that much, but damn if this didn't get me crying, mostly through Narancia's reactions. The animation was so good as well. If two recap episodes is the price we have to pay for animation this good, then that's more than fair. Anyway, super hyped for what's coming next, assuming my vague memory of the manga is correct. |
| My Boi Risotto didn’t die easily. It’s quite rare to have a villain with limited screen time being that respected & loved by the fans even though he’s defeated. That's how Araki portrays his characters. The effect when KC blew away 0.5 second was kinda a let down. Fancy as it was, it’s not as clear as the way it’s presented in the manga imo. The scenes where Abbacchio cried with relief because of his partner’s words & where the crew struggled to accept his death were beautifully handled. I’m not a huge fan of Abbacchio, so I was not that emotional when reading about his death. But the 2 scenes made me teary thanks to the fantastic performance of Narancia’s voice actor, especially when he shouted “Are we just going to leave Abbacchio all alone?”. Seeing Abbacchio resting in peace with smile on his face when the sunshine came out of clouds is the only thing comforting. I thought we’re gonna have a recap ep next week, but I felt unsure after seeing the title. Are we gonna have THAT chapter animated this early? Probably not, it would be another title if that’s gonna happen. |
Orikasa_MomijiApr 27, 2019 8:47 AM
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Illyricus said: RIP Abbacchio, best JoJo tsundere. I found his death sad in the manga, but the anime managed to make it more gut-wrenching, thanks to the brilliant voice acting of the gang members (especially Narancia and his denial of the tragic events), I even shed a few tears. Same. I remember being shocked at how quickly it all went down when I read the manga. But the anime, oh man! I couldn't keep a dry eye when Narancia was losing it. DP did a fantastic job with this episode! |
| damn that was ..... that came out of nowhere...abbachio.... just like that... he will be missed |
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| i swear to god this part will make me cry even more just like iggy and avdol's death, and it starts from abbachio... |
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| And with that ends the Metallica vs King Crimson arc, which is for all intents and purposes the highlight of Vento Aureo alongside Grateful Dead+Beach Boy. There are still some good moments here and there with Giorno (you know the one) and Mr Turtle, but yeah, don't really expect a bombastic finale like DIO vs Jotaro unless David Pro adds something extra to spice things up, Part 5's finale is not very strong. That being said, I'm just gonna go ahead and comment that, as of right now, the anime is way better than the manga counterpart, it's just SO GOOD on every level. Voice acting, OST (I really need Risotto's theme, that one is excellent), pacing, the new La Squadra scenes...it's incredible how good adapted this whole thing and it's also a shame that other phenomenal mangas like Berserk, Vagabond,etc can't get this level of attention or passion behind their work. I just hope they confirm Part 6 at the end of the show so that we may have a chance of seeing Part 7, Araki's masterpiece, in our lifetimes. |
GoldenSaltPillarApr 27, 2019 11:04 AM
Modernoir said: I'd say it goes without saying im happy how it was adapted, especially cause I think it perfectly encapsulated why i think specifically the boss was an underrated antagonist, not only is his doppio/the boss personas make for a really entertaining dynamic but the fact that his powers are so crazy it was able to take out a lead character so quickly really sells just how tough an opponent he is.JizzyHitler said: My fav death in the franchise was done a great justice with this episode. I adore everything they did with it today especially the build up to it where you just know something isnt going right when they reach that rock and it seems like the boss is cornered. Now that this arc is done, do you think the adaptation did it justice? You were hyping it up a couple of eps ago quite a lot, good to see it's getting the appreciation it deserves. GoldenSaltPillar said: I mean to be fair, that fight has the exact same problem that part 5's will have so if people werent super bothered by that one they probably will be fine with what part 5 pulls. I also recall at least the lead up to the infamous part being WAAAAY stronger than what part 3 pulled with its final fight, where its lead up was essentially just tossing away characters for the sake of making dio seem stronger than he actually was.don't really expect a bombastic finale like DIO vs Jotaro unless David Pro adds something extra to spice things up, Part 5's finale is not very strong. |
JizzyHitlerApr 27, 2019 12:13 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Oh shit... what a heartbreaking episode. RIP Aba.. One of the most badass characters in the gang. He did pretty well, and he managed to leave behind the face of the boss. I think that shit will get real in the next episodes, i just can't wait to see how they will defeat the boss! I need more! |
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| The annoying Narancia's tantrum ruined the moment. It's like the authors were trying too hard to squeeze emotions from people, overacting Nic Cage style. Entirely different from the shocking Risotto's defeat from the previous episode, which actually made me feel devastated. |
| very good episode, well executed the Abbacchio's death, Narancia's denial etc. ...so sad ...why Bruno is bleeding btw, he doesn't have blood in some earlier episode but, yeah RIP Abbacchio (╥﹏╥) |
| FVCK. that was a punch in the gut. alright I felt bad reading the chapter where Abbacchio dies, I remember feeling sad, but the episode made me cry with Narancia. the adaptation was really immersive... those scenes in motion, with a soundtrack and the awesome jobs from the VAs... oh welp, i'm already bracing myself for this last cour. :( |
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| So piss boi dies Hobgoblin2099 said: My favorite thing about Abbacchio's death is that he's the only character who never winds up liking Giorno before he dies. Everyone else has their little "Wow, Giorno sure is great" moment, but Abbacchio dies thinking Giorno is a little shit. Also, he called it when he said Giorno was going to get them killed. hahaha that's great |
| The #1 thing I love the most about JJBA is its unpredictability. Such an unexpected outcome again! Bucciarati is very smart to recognize that they were just being used by another guy to kill Risotto. King Crimson is a great villain! Typically in anime, the final bosses only appear near the end and fight the final battle. But only in JJBA can I see the boss struggle in a fight against a non-MC and narrowly crawl his way out - despite his power. The most recent 3 villains in JJAB so far have the ability to manipulate time. It's only fitting for the boss: What is more powerful than time?! The ending song sounds a lot like the Death Note theme. Again, I'm excited about the author's accurate take on science: drinking blood is a fast way to replenish iron, and blood types don't matter for drinking blood because he's not mixing their blood with his own! 👍 |
| dude my fucking heart hurt even tho I already read the manga it still hurt so much Rip Abbacchio best tsundere . |
| "Mountains, beings, and nature's laws are bound by an arrangement, and within it, we live." -Mushishi Zoku Shou Suzu No Shizuku |
| Kinda saw this coming cuz moody blues is a real threat in revealing boss's identity, but damn this pains my heart tho. rip. |
   I want you to be happy. I want you to laugh a lot. I don’t know what exactly I’ll be able to do for you, but I’ll always be by your side. |
Metallica_Nero said: grandy_UiD said: And this is why the black and white manga is superior. What is "this"? Explain further please, because as I and the majority of people see it, the anime was far superior. Without the dead giveaway of the haircolor, it was a lot less obvious that the boss was among those boys, making the whole scene work a lot better. Araki did a great job there in the manga. |
PedroBV96 said: For the second time, a flashback about a character is presented in the very episode he dies. And I found somehow funny how Giorno couldn't do anything to heal Abbacchio, but was able to heal Bruno. lmaaaooooooooo thats not a flashback also Bruno got ((((((healed)))))) is a special case |
 he takes what he's lost and discards what he's won, he's every bit as alive as you and I |
grandy_UiD said: this is a pretty fair point, i dont think theres was really anything they could of done to alleviate this, though to be fair us manga readers knew to focus on the kids cause we know the scene where as an anime only people wouldnt.Metallica_Nero said: What is "this"? Explain further please, because as I and the majority of people see it, the anime was far superior. Without the dead giveaway of the haircolor, it was a lot less obvious that the boss was among those boys, making the whole scene work a lot better. Araki did a great job there in the manga. PedroBV96 said: 100/10 comprehension skillsFor the second time, a flashback about a character is presented in the very episode he dies. And I found somehow funny how Giorno couldn't do anything to heal Abbacchio, but was able to heal Bruno. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Guys, don't feed the troll again. Beautiful episode. They made it even sadder than the manga. The OST and direction were excellent. Also, the seiyus did a wonderful job. |
Sorines said: The thing with Bruno is a classic case of a phenomen called "Araki Forgot". Only 11 weeks/episodes left, I wonder how they'll potray the certain someone in the next ep. How exactly? He didn't really forget about it and we always knew it was some kinda special case. I know Jojo has many plot holes, but now people threw this Araki Forgot meme literally everywhere even when it doesn't make sense is becoming really annoying. |
| \ Metallica_Nero said: Sorines said: The thing with Bruno is a classic case of a phenomen called "Araki Forgot". Only 11 weeks/episodes left, I wonder how they'll potray the certain someone in the next ep. How exactly? He didn't really forget about it and we always knew it was some kinda special case. I know Jojo has many plot holes, but now people threw this Araki Forgot meme literally everywhere even when it doesn't make sense is becoming really annoying. Part 3, Jotaro revived a shriveled, brain-dead Joseph, without any special abilities. Part 4, Josuke heals his grandpa who was attacked by Angelo, with a stand that precisely restores objects to their original state, yet he can't revive Mr. Ryohei. See my point? Araki is extremely fucking inconsistent. If Bruno could be brought back from death (his soul left his body), why couldn't Abbacchio? |
PedroBV96 said: LeturLefr said: lmaaaooooooooo thats not a flashback also Bruno got ((((((healed)))))) is a special case Now that I thought of it you're right. But that post-mortem scene didn't work anyways because they tried to make you care about Abbacchio when they didn't bother to make it before. And you're already pointing out Bruno's healing was convenient. You missed the point on that post mortem scene. Its meant to be a closure of his backstory, the end of the road, his final stage, letting him now that he can now rest in piece despite his wrong doings. He redeemed his actions and his partner congratulated him. Also Bruno's healing might seem convenient but it will be explained later why he was able to keep "living". (Also, for someone who cut his heart pulse and still managed to be conscious, this shouldn't be weird at all, it shows how big Bruno's resolve/will is by "staying alive" on a dead body, Kinda similar to what happened to Alphonse in FMA when his soul was linked to an armor) |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
Sorines said: \ Metallica_Nero said: How exactly? He didn't really forget about it and we always knew it was some kinda special case. I know Jojo has many plot holes, but now people threw this Araki Forgot meme literally everywhere even when it doesn't make sense is becoming really annoying. Part 3, Jotaro revived a shriveled, brain-dead Joseph, without any special abilities. Part 4, Josuke heals his grandpa who was attacked by Angelo, with a stand that precisely restores objects to their original state, yet he can't revive Mr. Ryohei. See my point? Araki is extremely fucking inconsistent. If Bruno could be brought back from death (his soul left his body), why couldn't Abbacchio? Except that his soul didn't actually leave his body and that was just Giorno's imagination. If you read the manga you should know that. Also, he healed Bruno pretty fast while for Abbacchio clearly some time has passed and they said they were too late. Time in anime, in general, isn't very precise, 5 minutes can last 20 episodes and some times 1 episode cover 6 months so we can't really rely on it and we should just believe what the characters say |
| I like to say that Bruno is still standing "by the sheer force of anger". =p he is virtually dead. The Abbacchio scene with his police partner was an afterlife encounter. He realized he was not on the living world anymore as he went to catch the bus to return to the gang and his friend said that bus won't go back. Then he cried. It's not a flashback, just his soul wandering ^^ |
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PedroBV96 said: HereticHunter said: You missed the point on that post mortem scene. Its meant to be a closure of his backstory, the end of the road, his final stage, letting him now that he can now rest in piece despite his wrong doings. He redeemed his actions and his partner congratulated him. Abbacchio didn't have enough focus on a personal level to make that moment so significant. Also a character is supposed to redeem itself while still being alive, not after it dies. But he DOES have focus on a personal level, that you didn't care about it its a complete different matter. Also, he fulfilled his job while still being alive, so he indeed redeemed himself while still being alive. He just didn't live enough to show it off. I figured out something about you after all this time here, it seems that you are simply not paying enough attention, why don't you just admit you didn't even care in the first place instead of complaining about stuff you clearly missed the point of? also PedroBV96 said: HereticHunter said: Also Bruno's healing might seem convenient but it will be explained later why he was able to keep "living". (Also, for someone who cut his heart pulse and still managed to be conscious, this shouldn't be weird at all, it shows how big Bruno's resolve/will is by "staying alive" on a dead body, Kinda similar to what happened to Alphonse in FMA when his soul was linked to an armor) It's still convenient. > Complains about JoJo being "convenient" >> Has watched JoJo until Part 5 and still complains about it |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
Sorines said: You really are just gonna ignore the different states they were in, bruno was still barely alive when giorno found him, abacchio however was already super dead by the time bruno and narnacia even found the boy behind the rock let alone realized something was up. He was likley already dead by a few minutes before giorno even touched him.\ Metallica_Nero said: How exactly? He didn't really forget about it and we always knew it was some kinda special case. I know Jojo has many plot holes, but now people threw this Araki Forgot meme literally everywhere even when it doesn't make sense is becoming really annoying. Part 3, Jotaro revived a shriveled, brain-dead Joseph, without any special abilities. Part 4, Josuke heals his grandpa who was attacked by Angelo, with a stand that precisely restores objects to their original state, yet he can't revive Mr. Ryohei. See my point? Araki is extremely fucking inconsistent. If Bruno could be brought back from death (his soul left his body), why couldn't Abbacchio? Jojo has writing issues no one denies that, but this complaint is just desperately grasping at straws. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
PedroBV96 said: HereticHunter said: But he DOES have focus on a personal level, that you didn't care about it its a complete different matter. Also, he fulfilled his job while still being alive, so he indeed redeemed himself while still being alive. He just didn't live enough to show it off. The focus on him as a character was too little for making me care, since most of the moments when the show focused on him were in the middle of battles. And man, since when fulfilling a job you were ordered to do is redemption? When did he do something to make up for letting his partner die to the hands of the guy who bribed him to silence a crime? Never. This right here proves that you certainly didn't pay enough attention to the afterlife scene. Also, your main complaint is that whats known of Abbacchio is "too little" for you to care. While I agree that SOMETIMES resorting on little screen time to make you care for a character isn't the best suited, it doesn't always mean that because a character doesn't have enough sceen time for you to care is a "failed attempt to make people care about it", if it's done right, 5 minutes can be more than enough. The whole afterlife scene of Abbacchio was to show how Abbacchio failed as a cop for being bribed and how he redeemed himself by doing things properly this time despite how impossible it might have looked (Remember, the police were often bribed and the fact that criminals would be released from prison that easily would make anyone discouraged to keep on doing his work because it would feel pointless), and considering the exact date of the flashback he had to search in order to reveal the boss true identity, he could have used Moody Blues to show a random person, but he didn't. That's why he redeemed himself, he completed his job despite the odds of success. PedroBV96 said: HereticHunter said: I figured out something about you after all this time here, it seems that you are simply not paying enough attention, why don't you just admit you didn't even care in the first place instead of complaining about stuff you clearly missed the point of? Are you serious? Would I have bothered to share my views here if I didn't care about it? There's a reason why people call you a troll here... PedroBV96 said: HereticHunter said: > Complains about JoJo being "convenient" >> Has watched JoJo until Part 5 and still complains about it Is this really the best you can? Resorting to fallacies? And last but not least, I seriously doubt you could have come this far if "conveniences" were something that bothered that much. Like what @JizzyHitler said above, Bruno was barely still alive when Giorno healed him, Abbachio was already dead when they found him, nothing they could have done for him. While watching JoJo you can't just watch it taking certain scenes in a completely literal mindset, because you'll simply miss the point. Its one of the reasons why adapting JoJo is really hard. |
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| I'm don't know how to feel with this episode. Risotto last stand was great and again, wish we saw more of the guy. The cast reacting to Abbacchio death was also great, especially for Narancia. No wonder why he is my fav with Abbacchio and Bucci, loved the fact that he keep on going that they could still "heal" Abba: they survived to so many bullshit that it's perfectly understandable that he think they can alway heal everything.The acting and music was pretty good too and fit well. Abbacchio is a great character (and basically a tsundere version of Kakyoin at the end) but sadly, he is barely used at all. He had no big fight and not enough character development. Really wish we saw more of the guy. Buuuuuuuut... None of the other kids recognized an adult or at least a stranger in their group? How did Doppio managed to grab the kid without anyone noticing it while being almost dead ? Did Bucci and Narancia let the poor kid that Doppio attacked died ? Why Bucci didn't wait for Giorno and the rest to return to protect Abba since the guy was left alone, completely exposed to an attack ?All of that is a "little" too convenient if you ask me (yes even by Jojo standard) and Abbacchio deserved better than that. And Doppio can change his body structure to either look like a kid or like a big-strong-dude... Sigh,why not at this point... |
Di-AnsatsuApr 28, 2019 5:33 PM
PedroBV96 said: HereticHunter said: This right here proves that you certainly didn't pay enough attention to the afterlife scene. Also, your main complaint is that whats known of Abbacchio is "too little" for you to care. While I agree that SOMETIMES resorting on little screen time to make you care for a character isn't the best suited, it doesn't always mean that because a character doesn't have enough sceen time for you to care is a "failed attempt to make people care about it", if it's done right, 5 minutes can be more than enough. The whole afterlife scene of Abbacchio was to show how Abbacchio failed as a cop for being bribed and how he redeemed himself by doing things properly this time despite how impossible it might have looked (Remember, the police were often bribed and the fact that criminals would be released from prison that easily would make anyone discouraged to keep on doing his work because it would feel pointless), and considering the exact date of the flashback he had to search in order to reveal the boss true identity, he could have used Moody Blues to show a random person, but he didn't. That's why he redeemed himself, he completed his job despite the odds of success. Little screen time + no focus at personal level = impossible to care about the character. Little screen time + little focus at personal level = very hard to care about the character. Little screen time + much focus at personal level = little caring for the character, because it doesn't exists beyond that screen time. Enough screen time + no focus = little caring for the character, because despite having screen time, we didn't know it on a personal level. Enough screen time + little focus at personal level = little caring for the character, because despite having the screen time, it doesn't leave a significant impression on you. Enough screen time + much focus = complete caring for the character. All of this of course while the character did memorable things while being alive and didn't die out of screen. They barely made me care about Abbacchio while he was alive, they won't make me suddenly care about him with a post-mortem scene. Also he dies in a completely avoidable way. I don't know about you, but I did appreciate what was shown of Abbacchio. It might have not been that much for you tho. (Judging by your whole experience with part 5, it seems like you pretty much disliked almost everything lol) PedroBV96 said: HereticHunter said: And last but not least, I seriously doubt you could have come this far if "conveniences" were something that bothered that much. Like what @JizzyHitler said above, Bruno was barely still alive when Giorno healed him, Abbachio was already dead when they found him, nothing they could have done for him. Technically when something in a show bothers you, you use to go as far as you can, or even beyond limits, to express it. That's kinda true, but we are talking about 5 different parts, I would do that once, but I wouldn't bother to watch the sequels if I didn't like the first one... That's on me tho, not everyone works the same way. |
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