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What makes Berserk a masterpiece other than the Golden Age arc?
I heard most people say that it is the only and some the primary reason why it is rates so high. And yet it is so long and dragging along with so many hiatuses.
Is it because of its artwork and story or is it because of its ruthless world and bare reality?
 
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I just started reading it I look forward to see why is it so much popular :D
 
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I also want to know. Some of my friends told me it's the best tragedy story of all time...
 
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well it's not boring for me and that's why I gave it a masterpiece
 
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Excellent art, excellent plot, excellent characters, excellent representation of a fantasy, excellent sountracks (it's a manga but if it had soundtracks it would be excellent too). and of course, it is difficult to stop reading it.
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It's pretty much the opposite of a masterpiece and nowhere near a conclusion. I also doubt that Miuara has any motivation for his baby besides keeping it somehow alive to generate money.

You only need to check the Hiatus Chart (1989-2018) and compare its peak in terms of plot, characterization, and intensity (Golden Age Arc) to everything that followed up in the next 20+ years. Pretty underwhelming, to say the least. Progress is a huge understatement. :/
 
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It's already been explained plenty of times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQaUEr65eaI
 
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It's pretty much the opposite of a masterpiece and nowhere near a conclusion. I also doubt that Miuara has any motivation for his baby besides keeping it somehow alive to generate money.

I have never read Berserk, nor do I plan to in the future, but I can already see this to be the case. It is just ridiculous that Bersek has been publishing for so long and as you have mentioned I doubt the creators really have a passion for this series anymore. It would be hilarious if they just left it incomplete and left a message saying "Fuck You" in Japanese. And by incomplete I don't mean releasing a final chapter and then never touching the series again, I mean releasing a half-done chapter that finishes on a page where Griffith is about to reveal a secret but there is no next page.
 
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changelog said:
crescensXG said:
It's pretty much the opposite of a masterpiece and nowhere near a conclusion. I also doubt that Miuara has any motivation for his baby besides keeping it somehow alive to generate money.

I have never read Berserk, nor do I plan to in the future, but I can already see this to be the case. It is just ridiculous that Bersek has been publishing for so long and as you have mentioned I doubt the creators really have a passion for this series anymore. It would be hilarious if they just left it incomplete and left a message saying "Fuck You" in Japanese. And by incomplete I don't mean releasing a final chapter and then never touching the series again, I mean releasing a half-done chapter that finishes on a page where Griffith is about to reveal a secret but there is no next page.


thats why i don't start reading, i'll wait and see whether people complain about the ending (if it ends during the next 20 years) , if its still highly acclaimed after the ending ill read it, but its been running so long come on.. its just ridiculous at this point
 
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I haven't read the entirety of Berserk, but I've read to the point where Schierke was first introduced, and so far it's been a 10. Just like everyone else, I think the Golden Age arc is the best by far but the others were amazing too, realistic characters, realistic relationships, likeable and cool characters, and the tragedy/fantasy aspect of it all appeals to me
 
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Berserk hasn't been a top tier manga in over 10 years. Miura has obviously lost interest in it, the quality of the art has plummeted (seems like his staff is just mimicking his style with a lot of it), the writing continues to go downhill, and all depth has disappeared from the plot.

A lot of new people are discovering Berserk and binging through it because old fans continue to sing it's praises but as a fan of Berserk I can assure you it's far from a masterpiece at this point. Miura's essentially being held hostage by his contract with Young Animal and is content with living off the money from the Berserk anime, movies, and merch until he can work on something he cares about.

Don't listen to new fans who read the whole thing in less than a year, it's a deeply flawed manga on every level.
 
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Honestly depends on the individual alot of people find the fantasy elements better than more realistic tone of Golden age Vice Versia both are great for me due to its time period and how it affected the world.


What is great is really atmosphere, have you ever played those souls game well thats the manga equivalent ( plus dark souls creator inspired by berserk and Lovecraft). Out of 358 chapters we still haven't seen a map of the world we always looking at the world in perspective of citizens, Guts .... Due to we don't know the end it makes it more interesting as alot of about the world is kept vague purposely.

One of my favourite panels is seeing a farmer from his house seeing a big event that occurs in Falcon of the Millennium Empire Arc ( won't spoil).


The constrast between Griffith and Guts and how simple yet deep they relationship is

Guts is MC but wears all black
Griffith is Antagonist but wears all white

simple yet effective plus the latest chapter confirmed something else that i won't spoil.

I do agree they be a tonal changes from the latter arcs but still keep the essence of what make berserk special.


Its honestly hard to explain but i think i can say it less to do artwork but how that brilliant art work is conveyed if you understand what i mean.

 
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just the badass mc. such a well thought out character. honestly, people say GA arc is the best but ngl, I am enjoying the manga way more after it. im on the conviction arc and it is really really good
 
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I watched the Anime only, so my thoughts are kinda limited.

What makes Berserk great for me? Oh man... is it the amazing premise? The philosophical quotes and questions the Anime throws at the viewer? The Susumu Hirasawa soundtrack? The beautiful character designs? The badass opening?

No, while all of those are great on their own, what really makes Berserk a masterpiece for me are the well developed characters. Berserk has crafted such a splendid rivalry between Guts and Griffith, they clash in ideals yet are still friends throughout most of the show's run, which is actually kind of interesting. The minor characters in Berserk also get their fair share of development, from Casca to Judeau, none is left out.

What made Berserk really stand out to me, though, was Griffith. He is such a complex character to the point of being human. He goes through so many emotions. He also had this intriguing aura surrounding him throughout the Anime's run, which made the conclusion all the more interesting.
 
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Berserk brings a lot of people together.
1. It has a popular old anime series. Boomers onboard.
2. It has plenty of grotesque elements. Teenage edgelords onboard.
3. It has a western aesthetic that attracts western normies.
4. It has all the quintessential anime character tropes, and executed rather perfectly at that, attracting the weebs. These are for the most part rather ingeniously saved for later on and absent in the most popular anime adaptation so that that doesn't even drive away the boomers and other such surface fans.
5. Low fantasy roots attracts tryhards and weebs in denial.
6. High fantasy later on with some of the best worldbuilding in the genre attracts the fantasy fan neckbeards
7. It has such unbelievably good art that it becomes a mandatory 10/10 even for the subversive deconstruction critic types who would normally scream and squeal about the archetypal and "problematic" tropes (that are so common in the first place because they do work) being played straight. Those are left without the balls to write some 10k word essay complaining and get answered with a 10/10 panel when they are so desperate to maintain an image of appreciators of art.
 
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Idk what to say to you...it's just good
 
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Literally everything

art
story
character
action
porn
political drama
fantasy
 
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the "soul" of the characters (cit). the relationship between Guts and Griffith and the epic of their story.
But in the end it is simply the best fantasy manga.
And not even the most horrible ending (which we will never have) will ruin the eclipse
 
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Serious question: Is there even a point in it existing after all the questionable changes and massive drop in quality it went through all those 20+ years of "progress"? To me, there's no logical reason to consider it a favorite besides nostalgia. Miuara is literally taking the pi** :/
 
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There are many fans that do not consider Golden Age as the best arc. And I agree to them.
And for the question (including Golden Age) - Nothing. Absolutely nothing makes Berserk a masterpiece.
 
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It was a masterpiece, but the latest arc of the series has really watered down the series. It is just not that great anymore.
 
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Is it really still a masterpiece? I kinda doubt it.
 
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Only_Brad said:
Literally everything

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fantasy


This.

My favorite volume is 26 so that's not Golden Age Arc. This manga changed my life. It's the best work I have ever seen.

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Life-changing? Ok, I'm out. -g-
 
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Life-changing? Ok, I'm out. -g-


Okay goodbye. :-)
 
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keragamming said:
It was a masterpiece, but the latest arc of the series has really watered down the series. It is just not that great anymore.
Is vagabond the same as I read some posts that Vagabond is on hiatus and Berserk often goes on hiatus but Is Vagabond also watered down or Is it still stable in comparison to berserk in story( if not including hiatuses)?
Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood.
 
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puneetsingh said:
keragamming said:
It was a masterpiece, but the latest arc of the series has really watered down the series. It is just not that great anymore.
Is vagabond the same as I read some posts that Vagabond is on hiatus and Berserk often goes on hiatus but Is Vagabond also watered down or Is it still stable in comparison to berserk in story( if not including hiatuses)?

it depends on you, I personally have no problem with Berserk and Vagabond, but it is full of people who say it has become boring and nothing happens, I believe that hiatus condition readers more than they believe
 
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thekillfra said:
puneetsingh said:
Is vagabond the same as I read some posts that Vagabond is on hiatus and Berserk often goes on hiatus but Is Vagabond also watered down or Is it still stable in comparison to berserk in story( if not including hiatuses)?

it depends on you, I personally have no problem with Berserk and Vagabond, but it is full of people who say it has become boring and nothing happens, I believe that hiatus condition readers more than they believe


Its cool factor has died down, plus it became like a harem series with guts and friends going a long a journey, the intensity has gone and even Guts has become softer. The art style is still great and I agree the hiatus has dampen the series quality for a lot of folks including myself, but when I am reading the chapters now it is just not that interesting, I rated berserk a 10/10 back in the days but now it is a 7/10 at best for me, when I am reading it now, it feels like I am reading a ordinary dark manga.


puneetsingh said:
keragamming said:
It was a masterpiece, but the latest arc of the series has really watered down the series. It is just not that great anymore.
Is vagabond the same as I read some posts that Vagabond is on hiatus and Berserk often goes on hiatus but Is Vagabond also watered down or Is it still stable in comparison to berserk in story( if not including hiatuses)?


I am not sure on Vagabond, only read about 10 chapters of that, I need to get back into it.
 
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keragamming said:
thekillfra said:

it depends on you, I personally have no problem with Berserk and Vagabond, but it is full of people who say it has become boring and nothing happens, I believe that hiatus condition readers more than they believe


Its cool factor has died down, plus it became like a harem series with guts and friends going a long a journey, the intensity has gone and even Guts has become softer. The art style is still great and I agree the hiatus has dampen the series quality for a lot of folks including myself, but when I am reading the chapters now it is just not that interesting, I rated berserk a 10/10 back in the days but now it is a 7/10 at best for me, when I am reading it now, it feels like I am reading a ordinary dark manga.


puneetsingh said:
Is vagabond the same as I read some posts that Vagabond is on hiatus and Berserk often goes on hiatus but Is Vagabond also watered down or Is it still stable in comparison to berserk in story( if not including hiatuses)?


I am not sure on Vagabond, only read about 10 chapters of that, I need to get back into it.
What do you think that which manga you read has the best artstyle? Choose only one if you can but if you think that there are multiple manga with awesome artstyle that you can't decide which one has the edge over the other then you can name multiple.
Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood.
 
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keragamming said:
thekillfra said:

it depends on you, I personally have no problem with Berserk and Vagabond, but it is full of people who say it has become boring and nothing happens, I believe that hiatus condition readers more than they believe


Its cool factor has died down, plus it became like a harem series with guts and friends going a long a journey, the intensity has gone and even Guts has become softer. The art style is still great and I agree the hiatus has dampen the series quality for a lot of folks including myself, but when I am reading the chapters now it is just not that interesting, I rated berserk a 10/10 back in the days but now it is a 7/10 at best for me, when I am reading it now, it feels like I am reading a ordinary dark manga.


puneetsingh said:
Is vagabond the same as I read some posts that Vagabond is on hiatus and Berserk often goes on hiatus but Is Vagabond also watered down or Is it still stable in comparison to berserk in story( if not including hiatuses)?


I am not sure on Vagabond, only read about 10 chapters of that, I need to get back into it.

As I said it goes to taste, for example for SNK I don't even read it anymore I only look at the spoilers to know how it ends, since its characters don't interest me, the fact that you still call Berserk Dark manga when it's a fantasy tells me enough about your reasons and what you want, and considering that Miura once said that Berserk is a Shojo at his core , it's impossible you like it , the only thing you liked was the superficiality of the Dark manga .
For me SNK is a 7/10 since it gives me no emotions, as you can see the world is varied with different tastes, but the fact is that Berserk remains statistically the best manga in practically every site, the fact that this has not changed in 20 years of decline as everyone says, is a sign that the decline does not exist.
 
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Its cool factor has died down, plus it became like a harem series with guts and friends going a long a journey, the intensity has gone and even Guts has become softer. The art style is still great and I agree the hiatus has dampen the series quality for a lot of folks including myself, but when I am reading the chapters now it is just not that interesting, I rated berserk a 10/10 back in the days but now it is a 7/10 at best for me, when I am reading it now, it feels like I am reading a ordinary dark manga.




I am not sure on Vagabond, only read about 10 chapters of that, I need to get back into it.

As I said it goes to taste, for example for SNK I don't even read it anymore I only look at the spoilers to know how it ends, since its characters don't interest me, the fact that you still call Berserk Dark manga when it's a fantasy tells me enough about your reasons and what you want, and considering that Miura once said that Berserk is a Shojo at his core , it's impossible you like it , the only thing you liked was the superficiality of the Dark manga .
For me SNK is a 7/10 since it gives me no emotions, as you can see the world is varied with different tastes, but the fact is that Berserk remains statistically the best manga in practically every site, the fact that this has not changed in 20 years of decline as everyone says, is a sign that the decline does not exist.


" it feels like I am reading a ordinary dark manga."

I know it is a fantasy series, the point I'm making that it now feels like a generic dark manga, also "dark" is a loose term it can mean absolutely anything dark fantasy, edgy, gore you name it, its the easiest way to say this series isn't a happy story or story for the kindness of heart, I read the goblin slayer manga and that is how I feel when reading the berserk manga now, it just doesn't standout to me anymore.

It just feels like a regular manga with extremely good art now. I don't even remember what is the main plot anymore is it Guts trying to have revenge against Griffith? Or to try and make Casa regain her memories? Also speaking of characters, I only remember three characters name in berserk and I have already mention them, I don't particular remember berserk as having a wide range of great characters and I couldn't care less either, I was following Guts and his character/development is all I cared for. Yes, I have heard plenty of people not liking snk because they are not attach to the characters, its plot driven series for a reason though, even so I felt the series in the later arcs took its time to develop some of its characters, especially Eren and in the current arc the characters are the one driving the plot, more so Eren and Zeke.

This is probably due to the hiatus though. That is partly due to its great art, and yes you are right it is still a highly rated series no way I was denying that, but I can tell you that statistically speaking that majority of manga readers don't think the current arc in berserk is close in quality to the older arcs and that is also a fact as well.

But as you say, "opinions"


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keragamming said:


Its cool factor has died down, plus it became like a harem series with guts and friends going a long a journey, the intensity has gone and even Guts has become softer. The art style is still great and I agree the hiatus has dampen the series quality for a lot of folks including myself, but when I am reading the chapters now it is just not that interesting, I rated berserk a 10/10 back in the days but now it is a 7/10 at best for me, when I am reading it now, it feels like I am reading a ordinary dark manga.




I am not sure on Vagabond, only read about 10 chapters of that, I need to get back into it.
What do you think that which manga you read has the best artstyle? Choose only one if you can but if you think that there are multiple manga with awesome artstyle that you can't decide which one has the edge over the other then you can name multiple.


I think Berserk is the best in terms of art style, Vagabond, One punch man, Claymore, Gantz and a few others come close as well.
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The 1997 dubbed version of Berserk is one of my favorites. Good cast of characters and an excellent MC. I loved the setting and story too, but the later versions of Berserk.. 2016 and such..

Its sad to say but its dogshit.
 
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keragamming said:
thekillfra said:

As I said it goes to taste, for example for SNK I don't even read it anymore I only look at the spoilers to know how it ends, since its characters don't interest me, the fact that you still call Berserk Dark manga when it's a fantasy tells me enough about your reasons and what you want, and considering that Miura once said that Berserk is a Shojo at his core , it's impossible you like it , the only thing you liked was the superficiality of the Dark manga .
For me SNK is a 7/10 since it gives me no emotions, as you can see the world is varied with different tastes, but the fact is that Berserk remains statistically the best manga in practically every site, the fact that this has not changed in 20 years of decline as everyone says, is a sign that the decline does not exist.


" it feels like I am reading a ordinary dark manga."

I know it is a fantasy series, the point I'm making that it now feels like a generic dark manga, also "dark" is a loose term it can mean absolutely anything dark fantasy, edgy, gore you name it, its the easiest way to say this series isn't a happy story or story for the kindness of heart, I read the goblin slayer manga and that is how I feel when reading the berserk manga now, it just doesn't standout to me anymore.

It just feels like a regular manga with extremely good art now. I don't even remember what is the main plot anymore is it Guts trying to have revenge against Griffith? Or to try and make Casa regain her memories? Also speaking of characters, I only remember three characters name in berserk and I have already mention them, I don't particular remember berserk as having a wide range of great characters and I couldn't care less either, I was following Guts and his character/development is all I cared for. Yes, I have heard plenty of people not liking snk because they are not attach to the characters, its plot driven series for a reason though, even so I felt the series in the later arcs took its time to develop some of its characters, especially Eren and in the current arc the characters are the one driving the plot, more so Eren and Zeke.

This is probably due to the hiatus though. That is partly due to its great art, and yes you are right it is still a highly rated series no way I was denying that, but I can tell you that statistically speaking that majority of manga readers don't think the current arc in berserk is close in quality to the older arcs and that is also a fact as well.

But as you say, "opinions"


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What do you think that which manga you read has the best artstyle? Choose only one if you can but if you think that there are multiple manga with awesome artstyle that you can't decide which one has the edge over the other then you can name multiple.


I think Berserk is the best in terms of art style, Vagabond, One punch man, Claymore, Gantz and a few others come close as well.
Is Berserk really has an edge over Vagabond? as I heard a lot of praise of Vagabond's art style but when it comes to Berserk the more praise is due to the story.
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@puneetsingh

They are of different art style so it could come down to taste, but Vagabond artstyle look a bit too rough, while Berserk look like the final product, keep in mind I only had read 10 chapters, just like most manga the art could have improve in later chapters.
 
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They are of different art style so it could come down to taste, but Vagabond artstyle look a bit too rough, while Berserk look like the final product, keep in mind I only had read 10 chapters, just like most manga the art could have improve in later chapters.
I see and I also observe that your speed of watching anime/reading manga has gotten almost stopped/pretty slow.
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They are of different art style so it could come down to taste, but Vagabond artstyle look a bit too rough, while Berserk look like the final product, keep in mind I only had read 10 chapters, just like most manga the art could have improve in later chapters.
I see and I also observe that your speed of watching anime/reading manga has gotten almost stopped/pretty slow.


Yep, that is what happen to you when you have College and work on your hand, plus I admit I have lost a bit of interest in this medium, I spend more time on these forums than actually watching anime, the only series I sill follow religiously is snk.
 
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keragamming said:
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I see and I also observe that your speed of watching anime/reading manga has gotten almost stopped/pretty slow.


Yep, that is what happen to you when you have College and work on your hand, plus I admit I have lost a bit of interest in this medium, I spend more time on these forums than actually watching anime, the only series I sill follow religiously is snk.
I am also not watching anime now. My last fully watched season anime is SNKS3P2. After that I have only watched Katsudou Shashin and read 10 chapters of BAMBi (and her pink gun).
Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood.
 
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I don't know if I'd call it a "masterpiece" honestly. It's Muira's masterwork for sure, any other series he has or will since work on will not come close.

However, I honestly feel the series has decayed to a sense that it really doesn't feel like a top 10 series as a whole anymore. More like one that is graded in a more segmented sense. Namely Golden Age/Black Swordsman (Dark Age)/Falconia (Modern age) and generally graded on a sliding scale based on which part stood out the most.

No I wasn't in it for the violence, moreso that I was spoiled on the complex character development early on that has slowly taken a back seat to a backseat in a series that focuses more on external character facets and spectacle than really digging as deep.

Personally, the high point of the series for me was early Falconia. The new cast seemed interesting and ripe for development amidst ever greater adventure and peril. That was...15 years ago. Give or take. And since then, the characters have heavily stagnated into a status quo mold. The new characters that joined after Schierke have been horribly one dimensional to the point its easy to forget they exist. Two are outright comic relief throwaways, one of whom barely interacts with the rest at all, and the others, Roderick, makes Pippin look like Griffith in terms of pathos, and Isma is just a notch above Puck. Though to Isma's credit she at least has some decent origin material.

Yes, the series manages to pose some interesting fantastical and philosophical elements, but it seems just so watered down and bog standard. So much of the manga has been more littered with cheesy and fanservicey elements that distract me more from the ever dwindling narrative meat to where it has become difficult to find reasons to continue caring about anyone outside of the big 3 (Guts, Casca, Griffith).

Action has also taken a real hit as well. Muira clearly wants to keep some action setpieces going, like in the Sea God Arc, but it is such a shadow if its former self, it just hardly engages anymore. The violence early on, while often graphic and gratuitous and at times laughable in its excess, did provide a a few cheap thrills in a pinch though. Now its all just goofy Hollywood-esque spectacle.

I've had a couple friends stop collecting around the "Sea God" arc and one just early this year.

Since then, character-wise, the only one that has since been given a boost was Casca since spending the ages as a simpleton, but it remains to be seen if she has been neutered into a Farnese 2.0.

The visuals carry it at this point, though even that is starting to show some hiccups due to the switch to digital penciling.

Tone-wise, it has definitely gone down a friendlier and less grim path, but in turn it really hasn't gotten more interesting. It is more gag-oriented, but the gags are rarely memorable. It's friendlier and less angsty, but ends up puting character depth in the back seat. It's more whimsical but somehow a bit more bland.

Even the Casca hurdle being cleared has only momentarily piqued my interest. I'm cautiously optimistic, but honestly, I think this series is still in a fallow period and at best, it is divertingly enough to read, but still too benign to engage in.

But in the end, it really boils down to opinion as always. It think this series will still be on many fav lists and I think it is unique enough and conversely unique enough to keep people reading for years to come, maybe even after the series finally ends.
 
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