Anime designed to demoralize your mind

WMR said:


Please provide a source for this ‘message’. You have one, right...?

Century_Orion said:
Question: Does demoralizing anime also include hentai?


Cause I have a library

-Rogue said:
Kudos to @Catalano , @Akhdas and @Kuro_Neko04 for ripping OP off.
MAL never fails to crack me up.

AQUARIONFAN said:
tbh idk what you mean because I’m dumb but I’m gonna agree with you because the 3 animes you listed are trash

Luthandorius said:
I don't see this as a problem. As some open minded guy from Europe I like anime where the people have fun. Feels even more "realistic" to not have only shown "perfect love" and anime for kids that want to dream of perfect eternal love, ...

I guess for US people (where a lot of harcore christians live) or for muslims - it might be a problem. Since sex there is a taboo and they only want to have sex after marriage. (And are strict about their TV rules and about certain words. While violence in the TV okay and possession of weapons.)

Unshackled said:
Usually I get revolted with these kinds of anime only if the stuff to be disdainful about is like there just for the sake of being there without any apparent other message than to show than "hey, this exists". The perfect example of this is School Days. I actually do think this is the main reason why people say that it's a "deconstruction" of the harem genre. While Domestic Kanojo certainly falls in this distinction, the other two you mentioned is not. Scum's Wish has a lot of things going on like unrequited love, etc. in which it handles quite well considering that it has a kinda grim approach on love. What I'm getting at is a show with themes like this shouldn't have this as a theme just for its sake rather it's much interesting to use themes like this to explore love in a non-idealistic way.

( Phew, I feel like I just beat around the bush here. Hopefully I did manage to at least convey a bit of what I'm trying to say. )

Keenesleyar said:
I sure hope Japan will produce more of those just to make fascistoid puritan idiots like OP cry.

NiBer said:
Yes, having decent morals makes me a fascistoid puritan idiot. How very progressive of Domestic Girlfriend. Nice ad hominems, enjoy fapping to interracial scat torture cuckold porn, mate.

Keenesleyar said:

Thinking that you're the one to decide "correct human societal behavior" is what makes you fascistoid puritan idiot.
And sure, I'll keep fapping to that.
And you keep autofellating yourself for being paragon of virtue who knows better what others should do with their lives.

NiBer said:
Keep drinking your nihilistic kool-aid if you think there is no difference between sexual deviance and behaving responsibly and consequently between having good morals and not having them at all. Cheers.

Keenesleyar said:

"Having good morals" and being judgmental prick are two different things, I'm afraid.
Also, "good morals" differ depending on what belief you subscribe too.
But you do you.

Btw, it's funny how you complain about ad hominems, while this whole topic is just "PPL WHO MAKE AND LIKE THIS SHOWS ARE DISGUSTING DEGENERATES".
Going on "holier than thou" rants while thinking other people owe you decency - that's quite a level of entitlement.

Zehennagel said:
hah yes you sure do know which animes hold value and which ones don't. you truly are enlightened and you know what's good and what's not unlike others.

niBer help us all.

NiBer said:
If you noticed I haven't responded to people who enjoyed the show critiquing their personhood, I simply said I disagree with their viewpoint. I do however respond to someone such as yourself the same way you responded to me initially calling me an idiot. I never said someone who enjoys the show is immoral, I said the show itself is immoral, and it may have deteriorating effects on your mind, especially if you're unaware of its hidden narrative.

Keenesleyar said:

Lol, no.
"Saddest part is some folks are totally oblivious to it and are easily duped that somehow this modern art has any real value" - you clearly from the start proclaimed that other people are stupid to like this shows, and you're smart enough (smarter than they are) to see some "hidden narrative".
You are not the one to complain about being called an idiot.

NiBer said:
You really are an idiot. Oblivious and duped doesn't mean stupid. Read a dictionary occasionally.

NiBer said:

I have always responded clearly and concisely. Your lack of ability to understand them is your problem. Just look at your reply for example, very unnecessarily elongated, untrue, deceitful, straw mans and lacks structure. I haven't used b) nor c) until your reply because you frankly bore me and can't ask a question without rambling off on different, completely unrelated topics. I have virtually answered to every reply there is. What exactly are you trying to ask me? Just ask me without making these tl;dr essays that are more of a statement/slander at my character than a question.

1) Answered bazillion times
2) justification for rape - that wasn't apparent enough
3) Rape, unlike sexual deviancy is unacceptable in society nowadays, because it's truly inhumane way to torture someone, some would call it the ultimate torture. Simple sexual deviancy, while repulsive, isn't hurtful to people, not directly at least, unless we're talking extreme cases such as pedophilia
4) cherry picking. committing a criminal act does not prove anything in this equation, it just shows your desperate attempt at somehow making a cancerous degeneracy-filled show somehow have the upper hand, it doesn't. You can cherry pick all you want, you can do that for any anime, go ahead and find out of my 350 anime a questionable scene that lasts about a minute that I have rated highly. Then do have the realization that it doesn't prove anything. Domestic Girlfriend is consistently terrible, and you trying to find a needle in a haystack over Yosuga no Sora, and all you got was a recollection scene lasting a few seconds that couldn't even recall.

Look, mate it's clear from this that you do not understand very well points I'm trying to make, I really wish not to make genuine insults at someone's intelligence, but it's hard for me to refrain from this situation. As kind and stubborn as I am, I don't want to spend time dumbing down every single thing I say in hopes you could understand it.

Maneki-Mew said:
That's it, although I think it's less about luck or anything, more about your own worldview and a lot misconceptions from society and romantized media, which give you the impression that there is the one and only soulmate, extra designed for you.
Of course, media has some impact, especially on kids, who think that you could lead relationships like these too idealized romances.
Therefore I prefer more realistic looking relationships than them and for quite many people it's only realistic to "fail" too, for various reasons.

NiBer said:


If you noticed I haven't responded to people who enjoyed the show critiquing their personhood, I simply said I disagree with their viewpoint. I do however respond to someone such as yourself the same way you responded to me initially calling me an idiot. I never said someone who enjoys the show is immoral, I said the show itself is immoral, and it may have deteriorating effects on your mind, especially if you're unaware of its hidden narrative.

Eneko-chan said:



Looooool. Whoa there, "mate". You, who so prides himself on never resorting to ad hominems, resort to it? Wow! My long text that was too much for your teeny-tiny brain must've really gotten to you. Please notice that before you resorted to name-calling, I never insulted your intelligence. But your reply has just made it obvious that you a) are unable to process a lot of information in one go (ADHD much?) and b) unable to have a structured discussion. Good luck with that in life, dude. By all means, show your stupidity more and reply with more of your incoherent word vomit about "beta cucks", "strawmanning" and "ad hominems", and don't forget to add how everyone's stupid for not getting you. Just keep in mind that what you're trying to say is not rocket science. Anyone with half a brain can understand "oH NoEz DiS aNuMeH iZ BrAinWoShInG uS eEnToO dIvIaNcEh WaKe Up ShEePlE". It's just that everyone but you sees how inconsistent you're being.

NiBer said:
Not everyone is stupid, just you since I have to repeat myself 5 times and you still don't understand it and keep persisting and rambling off incoherent, unrelated topics and are very tiresome as an individual. It's hard for me to have a productive conversation with you since you keep derailing thread. Like you mentioned Yosuga no Sora one minute instance, the same instance you can find in at least one of 350 anime I watched to try to prove that Domestic Girlfriend isn't the cesspool of degeneracy which it clearly is. Good luck I guess.

Maneki-Mew said:

The thing is: You still think that you have to share a show's or character's values. Just because I am behaving responsibly in these ways doesn't mean that others do.
Just because I don't smoke, doesn't mean that others don't and that I have to be annoyingly preachy about that.

But you know that "this is too cynic" is the reason, why some people avoid Oregairu too, right? And you seem to like it ofc, if you put Hachiman as your only fav character.
That's not an ad hominem attack (which you seem to love yourself very much), I just thought you would dislike this kind of shows too.

You could say, they become better human beings over time, but it's the case for other series too.
Also, many people never learn from their mistakes or refuse to change themselves, either because they think they are right or they don't have the energy or support to do so, or they become worse instead of better human beings. That's just harsh reality tho.
That's why for example I really like Nora from Noragami, because the difference between her and Yato is that she is not able to change and free herself, but she's lacking in support and close relationships too.

Personally, I really like a bunch of other "negative examples" too, or mixed examples to say so.
Character development also doesn't mean in every case that they become better. It just means that the events have an impact on them, not in which way. So you can't expect from every medium that they give you the same direction in character development and the same "message" you want them to show you.
I dunno who above me said that and I'm too lazy to look it up, but: Insight is insight. Nothing more and nothing less.

https://myanimelist.net/manga/108021/What_Does_the_Fox_Say
I just want to throw it in. Have fun. ;D

And BTW. I even have to agree that many western comedies are sex-obsessed, but I think it's just laziness and a lack of creativity from the author's side as well. If they don't know what else they could write, they make hundreds of dumb sex jokes.

Eneko-chan said:

Yes, tell me more about how genius you are, despite persistently talking to me about DomeKano, when I have said 3 separate times that I have NOT watched it, and asking you to take Kuzu no Honkai as an example. Clearly, some God-tier intelligence there, mate. Plus oof, dat ad hominem about my personality. Mad debating skillz.

N30-R3TR0 said:

I thought School Days was meh (gave it a 5), but I thought it was valuable as a piece of literature because people like that exist, and it was effective at showing some harsh realism about dumb kids that have sex too much uncontrollably and without thought.

Edit: It seems like some people are living in perfect worlds in this thread. Question to you guys, is violence, as displayed by modern media, more or less demoralizing than the shows listed in this thread? If you say no, then you may ought to reanalyze your moral values if you want to stay consistent.

Pullman said:
btw Shigatsu is a worse offender than the shows OP listed combined.

ShinAn said:
Kinda derail the topic a bit, what is politics designed for? I kinda annoyed with it lately

I just think of anime as another form of art but that thing is bloody annoying. It shows on television every time, mostly just about people fighting each other, bring racism and every nonsense they can come up with. In my country people even riots and cause casualties (and some times fatalities) because of it, when it actually doesn't really matter that much for each individuals if they just go to work or be kind to each other

Sometimes I just want to say it out loud, rather than watch politics you should just watch anime instead lol :P

NiBer said:


What I personally didn't like about Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso was it seemed overly melodramatic to me.

Pullman said:


I'm afraid that means that you are totally oblivious to the real, poisonous message that this show sends because being overly dramatic is the least of its problems. If you think that 'being an asshole for sex' sends a bad message, then how can you approve of 'bullying heals trauma' as an acceptable message?

Read up on the problematic message the show sends here:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1364128#msg38819030
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1343757&show=50#msg37597215

DaCraziGuy said:
If you think that Domestic na Kanojo is demoralizing is because you haven't actually lived. It's pretty realistic in some aspects and it plays with a lot of grey areas. Also, there is more than sex in it. The characters are flawed, but they are actually good people.

Comparing this, to an overdramatic piece of shit with characters with no personality full of lust, making huge deals of small issues and with the only focus on sex seems pretty dumb to me. Kuzu doesn't have dreams, friendship, life nor anthing else besides sex and drama.

I watched both, I hated kuzu no honkai but I enjoyed a lot domestic, it's not as extreme nor dumb as Kuzu imo and it has a lot more than sex in it (it has some tho). The MC is actually likeable despite his mistakes (which aren't that many) and he tries to do the right thing.

I don't know if you like kinda realistic characters, if you do you might want to give it a show. The MC has a dream that it doesn't revolve about getting pussies and there is quite a bit of slice of life in it.

PS: by a lot I mean a 7, lol. It's good but it isn't a masterpiece at all.

Pullman said:


I'm afraid that means that you are totally oblivious to the real, poisonous message that this show sends because being overly dramatic is the least of its problems. If you think that 'being an asshole for sex' sends a bad message, then how can you approve of 'bullying heals trauma' as an acceptable message?

Read up on the problematic message the show sends here:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1364128#msg38819030
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1343757&show=50#msg37597215

Maneki-Mew said:
Sure and that's what I meant. Listen to them is tbh so annoying, because you know that they came with the same drama in two weeks again and there aren't just teenagers, who are like that. But the majority of this kind is pretty young, thankfully lol.

And well, I understand what you mean, tho personally can't relate to this, because getting in relationships without knowing someone well is beyond me tbh. I knew my ex boyfriend for quite a long time as well.
But well, rushing into relationships is more a hormone-driven thing and I usually have seen these people doing this, who can't be alone and crave for anyone's affection, no matter who it is... and then, many of their partners are horrendous personalities, from my experience with them.

Eneko-chan said:



Yeah, thank God the majority of people grow up and learn from their mistakes :3


Oh, absolutely, I'm right there with you. All of my relationships have grown organically overtime from friendships, but I've seen people around me that have embarked on a relationship just because "it was love at first sight", or because they thought "he\she was cute", or went on one date and decided to give it a try... Some of those relationships has even worked out. I just don't want to be judgemental and deny people their right to find a partner on their own terms, at their own pace. I absolutely think that it's wise to first get to know someone properly and then get into a relationship, but not all people do that, and for some, it works.

NiBer said:


I gladly help. Get red pilled, son :)

Asaid16 said:
Yh I hate these kinda shows too, always make me mad as fuck. For some reason School days just made me laugh though. It was just too ridiculous.

Haven't seen the ones you listed apart from Domestic na Kanojo but if they're similar to that trash, it's a hard pass from me.

Zehennagel said:


I gladly help. Get red pilled, son :)

Luthandorius said:
He's baiting. That's obvious from his responses. (Wondering why the thread is still not closed. :D)
I mean he just doesn't like certain stuff. (Maybe he still is afraid of sex as a virgin.)

Saying "we don't need to smoke just because others smoke to be cool" is not a good comparison to anime and the topic of this thread.

I mean: Obviously I don't watch boring anime which are boring just because of the action/violence/sex. I did not like Kuzu no Honkai. Bad directing and plot - for example.

But if the other stuff is fine I'd watch them even while they have sex. (Not avoiding them because of it.) I liked Domestic na Kanojo. Yeah Hina was a slutty immature young teacher exploiting the feelings of her student for her. But the other chars were pretty good. (I mean their personality, their behaviour and the conflicts shown. Also nice development with the main at the end. Talking more about it would be spoiler in this thread here.)


If you want to compare it to alcohol/cigarrets I'd be the type that smokes or drinks alcohol because of the tast itself (not because I want to be cool, because others like it ... or because of the other side effects of the alcohol/tobacco).

NiBer said:

I mean I am a genius since I tackled 5 people at the same time and no one still managed to irritate me enough to create a weak spot to easily destroy me lmao.

Well I'm still open for a debate if you want to have one. I'll try to make it concise and on point, try the same. I mean since you said you didn't watch DomeKano, and I acknowledged that point, why do you even argue here, since, while similar, you haven't actually watched and seems, kind of, silly? Imagine I didn't watch Code Geass but watched DN and try to debate someone over whether Lelouch is a good character or not. I got off work and I have some time. I'll be as polite as possible, I apologize for ad hominems, though they were just serving as proving my point. I'm all ears! That's a sign of good will, isn't it? I'm ready to start over. Discuss.

NiBer said:
Just watched first episode of Domestic Girlfriend and already the atmosphere made me puke. But unlike MOST other cringy, synthetic, fake mood anime that I unfortunately occasionally come across, these new dogshit shows that recently started surfacing have another really bad thing about them. Demoralization. Anime like Kuzu no Honkai now newly released Domestic Girlfriend and Koi to Uso to some extent have another hidden message behind it. That message is that it's okay to behave in a revolting manner. It's okay to be disgusting for the sake of sex. It's okay to let go of your dignity and correct human societal behavior. Can't believe the amount of pathetic this shit screams. Saddest part is some folks are totally oblivious to it and are easily duped that somehow this modern art has any real value. It doesn't. Hope these type of shows die off as quickly as possible. Doesn't look like they will in any near future. God help us all. Anyone else feel that way?

Discuss

EDIT: feel free to name other shows I forgot to mention