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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Prez counting sheep! How cute! But Prez! counting that? I am dead! :D
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Mar 29, 2019 1:10 AM

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shanimebib said:
Prez counting sheep! How cute! But Prez! counting that? I am dead! :D

I know, right? Wow, Miyuki. XD

Oh, he was so close to the finish line, but it is not the time yet!

Two days until Christmas, huh? We still got a way to go.

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I know, right? Wow, Miyuki. XD

Oh, he was so close to the finish line, but it is not the time yet!


He literally chased after her shouting her name and repeatedly telling her why she was running away (of course because of Iino's remark on the perfume LMAO). He even praised her scent after she got all worried thanks to Iino and wanted to avoid Prez like never before! And he also got the clues from last chapter about holding hands! Seriously, if anyone says Prez wasn't doing enough will have to go through me!

Well, Ice Kaguya was super dishonest there with her "shonna wakenai desho!" That facepalm should be the grand giveaway although by that time Prez already took the blows physically (never expected!) as well as mentally! Anyways, it was Ice Kaguya's grand defeat!

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Oh, he was so close to the finish line, but it is not the time yet!


Melting coming in two weeks time or probably not! We have to cover the Koyasu-senpai home party after all!
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Can this Kaguya get any more frustrating? How many contradictions must you set while playing this new game that Shirogane doesn't understand the reason of.
 
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Yeah, Miyuki did a lot of good this chapter.

Heh, Iino took an interest in perfume too. I wonder why~

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These are not even fun mindgames now, unimpressive chapter yet again. Just waiting for the Christmas party event now, hopefully not too many chapters like these in between that.
 
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I'm kinda starting to feel sorry for him, he looks so depressed yet whenever he tries to do something that helps both of them, she just sends him back to the depressed state. I thought I would like Ice kaguya more but at this point, I just want this arc to end.
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Daisuki said:
Heh, Iino took an interest in perfume too. I wonder why~


Yep. She didn't seem to resist and gave in quite fast!
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Mar 29, 2019 3:25 AM

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Miyuki is gonna be The Man among men when the time comes.

For those complaining Ice Kaguya's mindgames perhaps forgot that she has something that is sort of Multiple Personality Disorder (but not quite there). Ice Kaguya and Normal Kaguya is literally different person and each has their own ego. While Normal Kaguya experiences "Ultra Romantic" with prez, the Ice Kaguya thinks it isn't fair since Ice Kaguya was the first one who fell in love with prez. Thus, Ice Kaguya seeks for the same experience. In conclusion... Ice Kaguya wants to experience something Romantic with prez.
 
Mar 29, 2019 4:11 AM

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President counting coffins lmfao and Ishigami reaction xD.

Well, Ice Kaguya im really not liking her hope that bakaguya will come back soon.
 
Mar 29, 2019 4:26 AM

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Things cleared up between Prez and Kaguya at least a little bit.
 
Mar 29, 2019 4:38 AM

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Oh my goodness, Iceguya is a handful. Not easy to like ^_^; ... on the plus side, Miyuki has definitely redeemed himself in my eyes, and contrary to the last chapter - which was just painful - this one went down much easier with me.

I've been thinking about it. The reason why Kaguya-sama has its (for me irresistible) charm is because I emphasize with all characters. I like them. I want them to be happy. When they struggle in pain, I worry and feel sorry for them, and I'm glad when things get resolved.

With Iceguya, this isn't true _YET_. She has been very unlikable so far. Even the kid she saved was shown to only happen out of calculation of usefulness for later. I find her "dark side" (see her handling of Iino) interesting and intriguing, but I don't "like" her yet. In her favor I can say that I understand where she's coming from, and that she is a "raw" version of what's coming out of the horrible Shinomia rules and upbringing, warped, calculating and selfish.

The show hasn't gone into this phase yet - when Miyuki fell in love with the take-charge Ice Princess and melted her into chapter 1-Kaguya. I always wanted to know. Now I think we'll be able to finally see.
 
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I can literally FEEL Shirogane's suffering from this chapter.
Seeing this arc almost makes me glad that he didn't confess early on, being with that Kaguya since the beginning would've been an absolute nightmare.
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Women are a god damn enigma! ...
Iino destroyed IceKaguya, i loved it =/
That kick again, lmao.
And well that was a heavy loss ...
 
Mar 29, 2019 6:28 AM

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People from last thread need to apologize the fuck now to shirogane. I do like that this chapter basically kind of cleaned up the misunderstanding to a degree and broke the ice kaguya facade, sure they arent together yet cause thats obviously being left for chirstmas, but i was a little worried they were just gonna repeat the last chapter a few times and call it a day, this instead feels more like baby steps.

the miko stuff felt a bit weirdly paced though, but i guess they were building that part up for maybe next chapter or something?
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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
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allenjke said:
Women are a god damn enigma!


I know, right? I am so glad you noticed that line! The original said 女心が1ミリもわからん (Onnagokoro ga 1 miri mo wakaran) which literally means "I don't even get a millimeter of a woman's heart". I would have just translated it as "I don't get women at all". I like the improvisation there from the scanlators. Really, even though I read some manga raw, I always come back to read releases of certain translators' works because of how good they are! Fans should really appreciate these guys!

yosepdxt said:
Miyuki is gonna be The Man among men when the time comes.


Someone understands our Prez!

HalfHalfBastard said:
I can literally FEEL Shirogane's suffering from this chapter.


See, I told you that Miyuki should not be blamed.

JizzyHitler said:
People from last thread need to apologize the fuck now to shirogane.


You can say that again!
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Mar 29, 2019 7:06 AM

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shanimebib said:
allenjke said:
Women are a god damn enigma!


I know, right? I am so glad you noticed that line! The original said 女心が1ミリもわからん (Onnagokoro ga 1 miri mo wakaran) which literally means "I don't even get a millimeter of a woman's heart". I would have just translated it as "I don't get women at all". I like the improvisation there from the scanlators. Really, even though I read some manga raw, I always come back to read releases of certain translators' works because of how good they are! Fans should really appreciate these guys!



Oh thanks for the info, interesting! I think i could've scrapped my poor knowledge/understanding and translate it if it was transliterated, but unfortunately i don't know Japanese and am scared of it =/
And the translators definitely doing great job! I think their team is amazing, big props!
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soo close yet soo far.
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Mar 29, 2019 7:24 AM
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Well we'e seeing Ice-Kaguya starting to melt into a Slushy that is standard version Kaguya-Sama. Honestly speaking, is seems the more sleep deprived Pres. Miyuki becomes the better his perceptiveness towards our Kaguya-Sama he gets.

now the question is; will our Pres. and VP just end up getting interrupted on christmas by our ever chaotic Chika-kun? We all know that Chika is bound to find out soon and expoe our love-birds' relationship to the student council right?

But we could still expect them to become official after the next 2 chapters or so. Can't wait for the new mind games to come up when they're officially a couple.
 
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shanimebib said:
See, I told you that Miyuki should not be blamed.


I never blamed him, I said that he is blunt. I still think that he would suffer less if he would just act on his instincts.
 
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Ice Kaguya was a little less frustrating this chapter, but still quite irritable. Glad Miyuki didn't just take it though and confronted her. Ice Kaguya is just making things more complicated then they should be, but at least it appears that she's starting to melt, so we won't have to deal with this much longer.
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Ice Kaguya was a bit closer to regular Kaguya this week. Hopefully this "version" of her soon melts back to the Kaguya we like best, but I can see this being a sort of narrative choice to somewhat mature Base Kaguya more. As funny as Stupid Kaguya is, it's possible we may not see her again after this arc ends unless something crazy happens like her going "all the way" with Miyuki. And seeing how slow they are progressing I doubt it's going to be happening within the manga.

Though to be completely fair, at the end of the day this is still Kaguya. The impressions this chapter gives me is that this "face" is basically just her usual sass/sadistic streaks amped up to 10, with maybe a small hint of her more directness we've seen in the series. I've been skimming through chapters and there are moments where we see Ice Kaguya slip out for an instant, so she's technically been there all along. Like Ishigami said in this chapter, he views her the same as always because she technically is. Only Miyuki who has a romantic interest in her will pick up on the subtleties.

Also, Iino, who will you use that perfume for, huh? Hmm...

I'm also fairly positive Ishigami thought for at least 5 seconds on taking up the offer from Kaguya for the makeup. Even if just for a second. Haha. That is still one of my favorite chapters with him.
 
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To be honest, I feel that the chapters after the famous chapter 136 have been a bit boring. It might be because the dual confession arc set a new standard. Anyhow, hope that the Christmas arc is fucking lit.

4/5 for this chapter.
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"Life is too bitter, so coffee, atleast should be sweet........ " - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru)
 
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To be honest, I feel that the chapters after the infamous chapter 136 have been a bit boring. It might be because the dual confession arc set a new standard. Anyhow, hope that the Christmas arc is fucking lit.

4/5 for this chapter.
Wait...hold up. So you think chapter 136 was infamous? Infamous means being famous for being bad you know.
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cchigu said:
To be honest, I feel that the chapters after the infamous chapter 136 have been a bit boring. It might be because the dual confession arc set a new standard. Anyhow, hope that the Christmas arc is fucking lit.

4/5 for this chapter.
Wait...hold up. So you think chapter 136 was infamous? Infamous means being famous for being bad you know.

Oh! Sorry, my bad. I didn't know that.
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cchigu said:
-Mahesvara said:
Wait...hold up. So you think chapter 136 was infamous? Infamous means being famous for being bad you know.

Oh! Sorry, my bad. I didn't know that.
Lol no biggie, I figured you didn't mean that considering the rest of your post.
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So should Miko go see Yuu after a half hour? :' )
I just want my avatar animated someday......Oh wait, I guess it will be, in Oct. 2019..... :' )
 
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So should Miko go see Yuu after a half hour? :' )


No. She should bump onto him rightaway because the obasan like initial scent will balance out the 24/7 adorable baby that she is and Yuu will finally see her as a woman and not just as Chika's plaything. :P
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tywhoppity said:
So should Miko go see Yuu after a half hour? :' )


I hope to see some progression between these two after the inevitable rejection he gets from Club Senpai.
 
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shanimebib said:
tywhoppity said:
So should Miko go see Yuu after a half hour? :' )


No. She should bump onto him rightaway because the obasan like initial scent will balance out the 24/7 adorable baby that she is and Yuu will finally see her as a woman and not just as Chika's plaything. :P

She's probably worked up quite a cold sweat, what with Kaguya's insinuations.
 
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On that topic, I did not expect to get such a detailed explanation on how perfume works. As a man I didn't know there was so much science to it, but it's pretty intriguing.
 
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She is never going to win with this plan
 
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She is never going to win with this plan
 
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Kaguya is being really dumb trying to make all these advances seem like nothing. Granted going to Stanford is one thing and I don't think she's necessarily rejected it, but it really feels like she's playing down the kiss really hard. Last chapter I felt like she was conveying it in a way that a kiss is no big deal, so you should kiss me too kinda thing. But now it feels like okay sure we kissed, but that doesn't mean anything. She's making Miyuki not want to kiss her because he doesn't see the point if someone's not emotionally invested. I'm really glad he was aggressive and honest here, that's what he needs to get through Ice Kaguya. I do think that Ice Kaguya's ideas had to be addressed, and while I don't think it's been gone about in the ideal way it feels like it's steadily progressing. I just hope Miyuki stays keen for hints coming forward and gets Kaguya to be more honest with her feelings like he's being now.

All that aside, I like how Iino took interest in the perfume, it's pretty cute and it seems to be working for a build up to stuff that'll happen with her later. I'm not overjoyed with these turn of events as most people aren't but I think this phase these two are in is important for moving forward. It would've been far worse if Ice Kaguya had been brought out after they already started dating, and would've lead to more drama than necessary.
 
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Ishigami is the Harem King, Kaguya has finaly developted into a classic tsundere. Are we having a normal romcom from now on?

Also, am I a gambler? (LOL) 'cause, from the community reaction to Ice Kaguya, it seems that having her now is a high risk choice while I can only see high return from it.

and, like, this isn't even mind games anymore, she is straight up trying to seduce him like "normal" persons would, too bad this kind stuff does not go well with this manga haha. It would be great to have Hayasaka's mom to teach Ice some tatics. With all the "mess" Ice is doing I really hope she is the one doing the clean up, if Prez is the one who does it, it'll be so unfair.
 
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I think there's a method to the madness here with Ice Kaguya. I know none of us are thrilled with her presence, but just remember this is still Kaguya at the end of the day. Just one aspect of her being pushed atm. I'm very confident in the writing I've seen for this series and I really think we'll look back on this later and understand that it was a turning point for Kaguya and Miyuki.

Miyuki needs to gain more confidence in himself and be more assertive with Kaguya.

Kaguya needs to be more open with her feelings and also just understand emotions in general better.

Both of these things I feel are being forced to develop by these events.
 
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Kudos for Miyuki's deductions in this chapter. So, 2 days to go until Christmas. Hope prez and kaguya clear up all the misunderstandings before that.
 
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Guess the author ran out of ideas for entertaining mind games, since all we're getting now is Kaguya acting like a typical, annoying teenager.
 
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Kinda feels like the story isn’t sure where it’s going, I mean we had so much progression for all the characters and now it feels like we’re back to square 1 (hell with Kaguya she’s even worse than she was in chapter 1)
 
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You guys just need to be more patient.
 
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You guys just need to be more patient.


Ditto.

Most of the Kaguya-sama fans are super spoiled by how amazing this manga has been in the last 3 years or so. Even the smallest of dips can be considered a massive drop given the standard set by the mangaka.

In all honesty, the last few chapters have been still much better than most of the ongoing romcoms right now.
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There's nothing wrong with setting standards, but if you guys believe the quality of writing has been so good (and it has) let's have some faith at least.

It's always possible for an author's writing to dip in quality for various reasons, even because of interference from the higher ups. But you need to give it more than 2-3 chapters before jumping the gun even if you're not a fan of the current direction.

Basically, imo, let's wait for the current arc to wrap up, and probably Christmas Eve since that seems to be a part of this. Then we can make a fair judgment of whether these developments were good or not. And if we view the arc as bad, there's a chance for the series to hit its highs again.
 
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Ice Kaguya getting btfo by Iino was gold.
 
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Falling deeper into that hole, both of them.
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ugh ice princess is annoying. shes ruining their progress!! :(
 
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