| Do you feel like they're portrayed in an immature way? In an anime I completed recently, a female character attempted suicide and her attitude for being saved was SHUT UP YOU HAVE NO SAY IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH IT LEAVE ME ALONE. That's a selfish, immature attitude, especially since the entire anime she's been in love with him. |
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| I know of Shinji Ikari and imo his character is amazing |
| Hmm, I don't remember seeing that many suicidal characters in anime... The first one that comes to my mind is that one character in Tsubasa (especially in the manga)... Oh, and in the PS1 game so does that count? I wouldn't call it exactly immature though. |
| If a character is suicidal the creator is trying to portray a person that is severely depressed or has serious mental health issues, in what way is that character immature? The ones I can think of are Shinji from Evangelion, and Shouko & Shouya from A Silent Voice. All 3 of them experienced trauma as children and were depressed/suicidal because of it, poor mental health does not equal immaturity. |
Gr8HornedOwl said: If a character is suicidal the creator is trying to portray a person that is severely depressed or has serious mental health issues, in what way is that character immature? It was sprung on the viewer in the very last episode. The entire rest of the anime, she wasn't. The rest of the anime, she was grateful for the company of the one she loves. |
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IpreferEcchi said: Do you feel like they're portrayed in an immature way? In an anime I completed recently, a female character attempted suicide and her attitude for being saved was SHUT UP YOU HAVE NO SAY IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH IT LEAVE ME ALONE. That's a selfish, immature attitude, especially since the entire anime she's been in love with him. ...I mean, suicide is the ultimate demonstration of selfishness, so that kinda makes sense. Maybe not the best portrayal of it since it does sound immature, but I can picture that kind of response to it. Depends on how the whole story was handled up to that moment and if that was a response the character would give, though. That said, I don't think I came across a lot of suicide attempts or attitude in anime. The only one I can remember of was Welcome to the NHK, and though kinda overdramatic it was pretty believable. Also, I remember thinking the suicide attempt in was pretty weird and out of nowhere, but it's been years since I've read it. |
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| Before everyone potentially misunderstands your point, are you saying actually having a suicidal person in an anime is odd in some way, or just that suicidal characters in anime have been mishandled, and poorly executed? It looks like the latter, which I'd agree with for the most part. People with suicidal tendencies all come with an assortment of personalities, yet most suicidal characters from an anime come off as the same. Though I don't really agree on your example |
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IpreferEcchi said: Gr8HornedOwl said: If a character is suicidal the creator is trying to portray a person that is severely depressed or has serious mental health issues, in what way is that character immature? It was sprung on the viewer in the very last episode. The entire rest of the anime, she wasn't. The rest of the anime, she was grateful for the company of the one she loves. I don't know the anime you are referring to so i will plead ignorance. But sometimes the people who are most depressed are really really good at hiding it and putting on act around others, so it sounds realistic to me. |
Gr8HornedOwl said: IpreferEcchi said: It was sprung on the viewer in the very last episode. The entire rest of the anime, she wasn't. The rest of the anime, she was grateful for the company of the one she loves. I don't know the anime you are referring to so i will plead ignorance. But sometimes the people who are most depressed are really really good at hiding it and putting on act around others, so it sounds realistic to me. Sounds like Myself;Yourself. And if it was, then idk if that can be considered a selfish attitude. That reply came after he told her something like "you should never resort to suicide" which prompted that response. Plus she had some pretty tragic events beforehand that occurred which at the time she didn't know that MC knew |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
Gr8HornedOwl said: IpreferEcchi said: It was sprung on the viewer in the very last episode. The entire rest of the anime, she wasn't. The rest of the anime, she was grateful for the company of the one she loves. I don't know the anime you are referring to so i will plead ignorance. But sometimes the people who are most depressed are really really good at hiding it and putting on act around others, so it sounds realistic to me. It's still really fucking selfish. You can't have it both ways. If you'd rather die, you don't truly care about and love that person. (They're engaged at the end, also.) So it was really stupid. Short_Circut said: Sounds like Myself;Yourself. And if it was, then idk if that can be considered a selfish attitude. That reply came after he told her something like "you should never resort to suicide" which prompted that response No, there was no prior interaction with him that spurred it. She just suddenly decided it after wanting to be left alone for a few days when she regained her memories. He told her that AFTER. It's very selfish because she wanted and needed his support the whole anime. |
IpreferEcchiMar 23, 2019 1:01 PM
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| Yeah I don't quite understand how a character/person could go that far if they are lucky enough to have a close relationship like that in their life, but I could understand it if they are alone and depressed. But this is a touchy subject so I'll leave it at that. |
| Depends on how the character is portrayed, I guess. I haven't seen the anime you're referring to, so I can't really say. But the suicidal characters that I've come across were handled pretty maturely imo. |
| I only know two many of them: Osamu Dazai (Bungou Stray Dogs), like most of his character, yes it's immature. Though, it is seen that some years later he was much more depressed, and even stated he has no point in life. At the time he still his immature parts, but he was much more serious. I guess he's going on with that to prove something to himself? Maybe he never got a real meaning to his life? But yeah... I'd say it's not the best way to portray it. Kekura Naruse (Orange): Though it's not major depression (as he still goes to school), he is sure depressed, and I totally think it's acceptable. |
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| I wished BSD did a better job at protraying Dazai’s suicidal tendencies. How is he the best male character in the series when he treats suicide as a laughing matter? |
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IpreferEcchi said: Selfish. That single word justifies every attitude of a suicidal, even though I haven't seen the show in question. Overwhelmingly, it's people who comment on suicidals who are selfish and immature, so selfish that their rationale for judging a suicidal is how the suicide affects themselves, and how much the funeral will cost.Do you feel like they're portrayed in an immature way? In an anime I completed recently, a female character attempted suicide and her attitude for being saved was SHUT UP YOU HAVE NO SAY IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH IT LEAVE ME ALONE. That's a selfish, immature attitude, especially since the entire anime she's been in love with him. |
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| What is your idea of a good suicidal character? Someone who are easily saved by words like "don't be so pessimistic", "tomorrow is gonna be a better day", "think of your family", "don't be so selfish", "don't make me sad"? Sorry if I get you wrong. I mean I agree that anime generally have a really superficial portrayal of suicidal people because the society is generally not empathetic towards them. If you're really interested in suicidal characters that's examined in great psychological and/or philosophical depth, I think a better place to turn to is literature. Examples: Haruki Murakami's Norwegian Wood, Yukio Mishima's The Temple of the Golden Pavilion, Osamu Dazai's No Longer Human, Sylvia Plath's The Bell Jar, Virginia Woolf's Mrs Dalloway, Dostoevsky's Notes from Underground |
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| Ishigami from kaguya sama is also a suicidal character but he is portrayed in a funny way. |
 "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost." |
| there are plenty of stories that aren't able to pull off a suicidal character correctly and in turn just ruin aspects of their story, but there are good examples out there (ex. Silent Voice). or you can just make fun of suicide by introducing Zetsubou Sensei |
some people are just whiny scrubs but most suicidal people usually have serious mental health problems. So im not surprised that the average anime doesnt know how to handle the topic. |
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| It's anime, so they crack a joke about everything. Zetsubou Sensei was pretty cool even though the mc was always planning to kill himself and he jokingly talked about it, and it worked, it was fun. Irl suicide is nasty and I know 1sthand how it affect the ones left behind. |
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