Is Studio Deen Really That Bad?

Uutama said:
For everyone out there who hates on Studio Deen, I just have to ask why? Why do you continue to perpetuate hatred for the one studio who adapts some of the most popular and talk-about anime of all time? Sure, the animation isn't perfect, but it's by no means bad.

Take a good minute to look at some of the animation projects that people are talking about today. Dragon Ball Super was a disaster. There is very little to appreciate about some of the earlier framework in the show's life, and while it did improve toward the end, it will always be remembered as one of the best follow-ups to the most popular shounen of all-time.

Studio Deen has much smoother and consistant animation quality, but there is a vast difference in style. The style of Deen's projects are all very similar to each other, but it manages to faithfully adapt the source content regardless of this.

All in all, no anime will ever be better than the manga in terms of artistic design. This is why shows like Madoka Magica and Neon Genesis Evangelion reign supreme when it comes to the quality of its animation. They were never adapting source content in these cases; the animation was the first thought.

So, that brings back the question: Is Studio Deen really that bad?
I don't think so, but I'm willing to listen to valid opinions of people who actually take the time to analyse their work rather than keep a circle of hatred going after 15 years of booing some of the most loved franchises to ever be animated.

Energetic-Nova said:


I only saw original Naurto, which I really like. And think those first episodes are very solid. Yu Yu Hakusho is my highest rated thing from them other than Shirokuma cafe, which I love.

Toei animates a lot of very long anime (as does Pierrot). It would be silly if they never reused anything. And Toei before Shingo Araki died is definitely gold. Also judging Toei on only Dragon Ball and One Piece is kinda shitty of you. I have seen way more than that from them. Also I notice you never watched original Dragonball. Too bad, you missed out.

AnjuRatty said:


First few episodes are solid but that's before the stream of fillers begins.
https://www.animefillerlist.com/shows/naruto-shippuden (43% of the episodes are filler)
https://www.animefillerlist.com/shows/naruto (44% of the episodes are filler)
https://www.animefillerlist.com/shows/bleach (46% of the episodes are filler)

I have watched a few episodes of the original DB when it aired on Toonami , and I did like the animation on DBZ too. For me it just looks their quality is declining.

Konakana said:
> No anime will ever be better than the manga in terms of artistic design.

Um, what? K-on?

Energetic-Nova said:


Filler was a thing which was needed when anime were airing all the time to give the manga time to get ahead.

Also some anime are better with filler. See: Sailor Moon. Which is honestly a pretty terrible manga that was made into a way better thing because the filler helps it breathe. Yugioh is normally in my faves. That is over half filler. You aren't going to win me over with such an argument.

Heck Inuyasha is in my faves. That one is also a lot of filler. Which they waited forever just to give a proper end to. Glad they finally did tho. XD

Nerdanimefan1992 said:


Can you really have bad Torture porn visual novels



Unfortunately for every garbage/sexist anime studio deen have done

.Fate/stay night
.Vampire Knight
.Fruits Basket
.Sakamoto Desu ga?
.Junjou Romantica
.Gravitation
.Super Lovers
.Hetalia
.Princess Princess
.

There’s only a handful of good anime gone

.KonoSuba
.Kore wa Zombie Desu ka?
.Sankarea
.Sakura Trick
.Ranma ½
.Seitokai no Ichizon
.Amaenaide yo!!
.Yumeria
.Mouse

Nerdanimefan1992 said:


Can you really have bad Torture porn visual novels



Unfortunately for every garbage/sexist anime studio deen have done

.Fate/stay night
.Vampire Knight
.Fruits Basket
.Sakamoto Desu ga?
.Junjou Romantica
.Gravitation
.Super Lovers
.Hetalia
.Princess Princess
.

There’s only a handful of good anime gone

.KonoSuba
.Kore wa Zombie Desu ka?
.Sankarea
.Sakura Trick
.Ranma ½
.Seitokai no Ichizon
.Amaenaide yo!!
.Yumeria
.Mouse

Captiaanuniverse said:
Not sure if anyone still hates deen , but anyone making deen memes or w/e to shit on them is usually in reference to Fate/stay night.
I forgot they did konosuba and it's one of my favourite isekai, though that's not my favourite genre, two that stand out for me though is higarashi, which they could have honestly spent longer on to make the animation much better and fate, while not the worst fate narratively, they seem to have made a bunch of mistakes adapting it like that awful CG dragon and some of the combat that just didn't seem right, it's often thought that Ufotable actually handles the Fate franchise well, even if apocrypha and extella have their problems


Also, AoT. The manga looks like the author hadn't finished a draft at times and Wit does a few things particularly new forms of the movement gear that just work better in design than they did in the manga

Cabron said:
How about stop looking at studios as if they're a single entity?

As for the bold part.
The quality of the animation has nothing to do with it adapting or being original. And no, the animation wasn't the first thought, that's not how it works.

Mythologically said:
From what I've seen, Deen seems to be really coinflip. I consider a lot of their shows really good (KonoSuba, Sakamoto, Higurashi), but they also seem to have a lot of fuck-ups (Log Horizon 2, FSN, Umineko).

I haven't heard many people hating on Deen though, and I'd assume that most of that hate would come from Fate or Umineko fans. There are plenty of much shittier studios out there.

wait scratch anything i said, deen made tenshi no tamago. 0/10 studio yikes.

Gator said:
Deen are definitely in the list of the three worst animation studios.

1. Toei
2. Pierrot
3. Deen

Though they did a good job with KonoSuba, but I still can't think of another animation studio worse than those three.

holysauron said:

I think you should check your list or malgraph because you generally seem to like Deen.

CondemneDio said:
Konosuba is the one good thing they made.

SparkingVolt said:


uh no it isnt. Konosuba was the shittiest thing they animated.

Uutama said:

You do realise these series were animated first, right?

Pullman said:


Before they conceived the characters, storyboards and everything? I doubt it.

First is a concept, a story, a cast of characters and then you animate it. That is the same for original anime and adaptions. The main difference is that the storyboards and concept isn't based on an existing work, but the animation still doesn't come 'first'. You always need storyboards before you start animating, and how well done those are, how good the directing is, does not particularly depend on there being a source material or not. You can do good, creative, well-executed storyboards that adapt something and very boring ones that are original content.

Animation is a part of that, and it's not functionally different in adaptions or originals. Because you can't adapt animation since manga doesn't have it, it is an 'original' part of the anime, unlike maybe the story or characters. Making a bunch of 2D still images from a manga/storyboard into a moving picture and making sure it works in the new medium by thinking about the angles, the 'camera' movement, the framing, the transitions, how to depict movement, the speed and pacing - none of those are really any less of a creative achievement when you adapt something compared to animating an original work. In both cases you initially just have a bunch of unmoving storyboards that you have to bring to life with your talent as an animator/director.

Uutama said:

You are way more free to take creative liberties on a storyboard in comparison to adapting a manga. I'm not disregarding that process, but nothing is set in stone and nobody has to think about how a still frame will come across to the viewer since it is in full motion. It doesn't mean that it isn't possible to have a better looking anime than its manga counterpart, but it sure is more difficult to recreate a mangaka's specific detail in their stylization through animation. When it's storyboarded, you don't have to worry so much about that aspect because it's a fresh new concept instead of recreating panels of manga in an animated form.

Uutama said:


As Umineko is one of my favorite series, I do understand this. I have to admit while the Umineko adaptation is a bit distasteful, it was still very nice to finally see animated. I'll forever be cursed with an unfinished animation project that my heart just wants to see to the end, but I guess that will never happen.

Not all parts of it were bad, but I do recognize this as being an outlier toward the lesser end.

SparkingVolt said:


uh no it isnt. Konosuba was the shittiest thing they animated.

brijesh said:

Out of all studio deen animes I watched Konosuba is the worst till now. Since the best thing is its girls it should have had better character designs.