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| So some more info dump about the world and they somehow managed to fill a whole episode with that. Kid can climb a vertical wall in a way even Assassins get jealous. Kid however cant throw a rope over a cliff. Mkay. Other kid can build some anti tracker device yet can't build some simple glider. Nobody ever thought about looking beyond the wall before making speculations about it. I can totally see how this manga sells so well, anything with more depth wouldnt be casual friendly enough. Idk this all seems underwhelming after the first episode. Maybe I simply should not have such high expectations? From potential AOTS in ep1 to drop worthy. PS: the ED changed, right? Came on MAL to check but it still has only one ED |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Now that Ray's backstory is revealed I just want to say I love what they did with his character. Generally I'm a fan of edgy characters so I knew right away Ray was going to be my favorite. But what makes him extra special is how his backstory shapes his personality. Ray knew from the beginning his life was a lie and that his family was being sent to death. He then volunteers to help Mom to reach for chance to make an escape but in doing so sacrificed many of his siblings. So of course he's gonna be an edgelord and doesn't want unneeded complications to his crafted plans. A great character with more great moments to come. |
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| That ost when Norman was climbing the wall is a fucking banger. That cliff tho.... |
| Good episode, feels the like the direction is improving episode after episode. The music is also really good. Can't wait for what's to come, the last three episodes are going to be exciting. |
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| The best episode so far it was good all around , Damn the last scene gave me chills . |
| After Emma's broken leg and Norman's pick up announced, the team planned Norman's escape, where he would escape, live and explore the forest while the others make their move. Ray explained the memories from his early childhood (how they got there). Norman looked at a box (and kind of a pen) in his drawer. Norman went to the limits and climbed the wall, Isabella asked for him and he appeared. Norman told Emma and Ray that after the wall there's a cliff. Ugly truth what they are discovering, is just an obstacle after another. I'm not understanding Isabella's intentions after everything, I mean, she gave Ray everything he needed and also knew way lot of things he was planning, she's not a genius, but the story has described her as someone that is always a step forward. How the fuck Norman climbed that wall, hahahahaha. Also they used spectacular music to create emotion and then they murdered it all. ricksed said: Agree, he is just direct and doesn't waste time.Now that Ray's backstory is revealed I just want to say I love what they did with his character. Generally I'm a fan of edgy characters so I knew right away Ray was going to be my favorite. But what makes him extra special is how his backstory shapes his personality. Ray knew from the beginning his life was a lie and that his family was being sent to death. He then volunteers to help Mom to reach for chance to make an escape but in doing so sacrificed many of his siblings. So of course he's gonna be an edgelord and doesn't want unneeded complications to his crafted plans. A great character with more great moments to come. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
DeadlyRavenMar 20, 2019 8:50 PM
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Comander-07 said: So some more info dump about the world and they somehow managed to fill a whole episode with that. Kid can climb a vertical wall in a way even Assassins get jealous. Kid however cant throw a rope over a cliff. Mkay. Other kid can build some anti tracker device yet can't build some simple glider. Nobody ever thought about looking beyond the wall before making speculations about it. I can totally see how this manga sells so well, anything with more depth wouldnt be casual friendly enough. Idk this all seems underwhelming after the first episode. Maybe I simply should not have such high expectations? From potential AOTS in ep1 to drop worthy. -u definitely didn't watch this episode seriously if all u took out of it is info dumps -climbing the wall like an assassin? ok 1. it's not that hard to run up a wall with a rope as support and 2. these kids have been doing tag parkour training/games their entire life just watch the op and the kind of moves they were pulling and you think Norman can't manage something that simple? -throwing rope across the cliff? the other side is like more than 50 meters away how the hell is a 11 year old kid supposed to throw a weightless rope across?? It's hard to throw a rock that far let alone a rope. Let me see you try -anti tracker device is in no way similar to a glider. they don't work the same, don't use the same material, and require a completely different set of skills to make. just cause you can build a computer doesn't mean you can build a bike. just because you can build a bike doesn't mean you can build a motorcycle. and I'm only talking about similar things. just because you can build something to REMOVE TRACKING DEVICES doesn't mean you can build something to help you FLY. PLUS, ray took 6 years getting the necessary materials and knowledge to make the device. you think he can make a glider in that short amount of time with NO PRIOR PRACTICE, KNOWLEDGE, and TOOLS!?? Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
DeadlyRavenMar 20, 2019 8:49 PM
Atlas77 said: Ugly truth what they are discovering, is just an obstacle after another. I'm not understanding Isabella's intentions after everything, I mean, she gave Ray everything he needed and also knew way lot of things he was planning, she's not a genius, but the story has described her as someone that is always a step forward. No spoilers, but it's because she knows they won't succeed, so she didn't bother stopping them but instead just stood aside and watched as they planned, tried, and failed. I mean, there's a fucking cliff. that's gotta stop anyone in their tracks. |
Gravity is gone... Yeah, that was dumb af.  |
Kamiyan3991Mar 7, 2019 5:50 PM
| Great episode again. Even if they skip dialogue and a couple of stuff they're doing a really good job at keeping the tension and suspense going. The scene where Norman breaks down was just incredibly sad. :( I love how they built up that feeling of hope only to have it utterly destroyed again but there's more stuff to come and I hope they continue doing a good job at adapting it. Sound direction is top notch. |
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| "What the hell is he gonna do with that rope, anyways? There's nothing to tie it on over that wall", I thought. And then... oh.  |
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| Great episode this week :) directing was phenomenol. This episode ended again with a transition onto Norman's haunting eyes. I wonder what Sister Crone left for them, hopefully that pen does something to save them. Norman might actually die a martyr :( I really hope he makes it though T^T |
| I'm so sad, gosh. It really makes you feel desperate for them. |
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| yo i cried so much. very much regretting not watching after all of the episodes aired because the cliffhangers are actually agonizing and i dont wanna read ahead in the manga til the show is over cause i feel like i would be spoiling shit for myself kinda???? but yeah really immersive and emotionally involving episode lol im in pain. |
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| Goddammit, I knew something was up when Norman climbed the wall and the music stopped. I just wanted to see him escape. |
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| the look on Norman's face as he returned was just so unsettling, good episode. |
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| This was my favorite episode. Before this one it was episode 3 because of the scene where Ray joined up with Emma and Norman. I felt so much character in that scene, it was as if it defined each as their own person and distinguished them. Yet after that I felt I learned nearly nothing meaningful about the characters, to me, they turned into plot devices that were slightly differentiated. Don especially bothered me in how he had one break down, one scene where he accepted everything, and then he was shoved into the background. Due to all of this, although I like the plot and enjoy the characters, scenes like last episodes finisher didn't affect me at all emotionally. Yet this episode emotionally hit me hard. It was the first time since episode 3 I feel we truly saw a new complex and human side to the characters. We got to see how Norman would put on a fake smile and try to shoulder the pain he was feeling to accept his own death as to keep the other two safe, and how much it meant to him that they refused to accept that no matter what. The slow walk to the facet to the break down when he was alone and finally to him turning his miserable face into a smile sold that well. I also thought his face when he came back to mom, absolutely defeated after he saw the cliff, showed his hopelessness perfectly. He had been salvaged from the hands of death and thrown right back into them, yet again, Mom was ahead of them in every way. I was wondering why Mom wouldn't anticipate this, it was their only good option. Well that was why, they had no options, it was illusory. All they had was to either attack headquarters or jump into a cliff and die. The struggle of giving your life or risking the lives of the people you love is something Norman's seriously dealing with, and he's one strong boy to value his friends over his own life even if it's not easy. Then we saw Ray who was so torn apart by this. Six years of his life, tons of children he knew sacrificed, all for nothing. It only now hit me that he was probably so disconnected from the others because he knew they would be shipped off. If he allowed himself to care for them it would probably destroy him... Ray's mix of anger, and sadness was palpable. The tears in his grimace. The unapologetic snarls at mom. Him throwing logic out the window to save Norman anyway he can, WE CAN DO IT, he exclaims as if he was Emma. It was awesome. Ray may not show his emotions on the forefront or show that much care but he has done so much for these two and we can finally see how much he loves them. Emma on the other hand reminded me of Luffy once more in how absurdly straight forward and perservering she is. We've seen her crumble when things go truly wrong, when people have died, when news of sacrifice is brought out. In this way I feel Emma may crumble when Ray and Norman would push through. Yet, until that breaking point it seems Emma never gives up. She stays optimistic and believes in the impossible. So her to casually and cheerfully say, alright let's crack some bones, really blew me away. She is a force to reckon with. I don't know how to feel about Ray's baby memories. He knows the layout of the plant.. Really? Even if it is realistic in some weird cases I'd prefer it to be explained in a different way and for him to have less knowledge. And the way Ray made some device to break the trackers without notifying headquarters with some 2015 book knowledge and/or baby memories and a little intuition is also breaking my suspension of disbelief. The scene where all the kids said congratulations to Norman made me sick. I felt the same as Ray did, I hated it. It's disgusting once you know that they're being sent off to their death. There's nothing at all to celebrate. So, they need to make a bridge of some kind, go through headquarters, or get mom in trouble and make use of the commotion then I suppose... and they'll have to do it quick if they want to save Norman. P.S. I think we saw snippets of Isabella and Krone's past in the ED. Cool! |
| Children,Please be food. |
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| Sometimes I wish this anime wouldn't stop on cliffhangers llike that... :/ |
sDiatog said: How are they going to end it in 3 episodes....wtf or will there be another season ....? Heaps of manga still to go I guess. I am anime only but the manga readers seems to think 12 eps will only get us a third of the way through the story so far. I keep thinking that Mother is going to end up being a good guy or at least someone tryingto bring down the farms |
| Okay lots of cool stuff this episode with the camera work and the reveal of how Ray knew etc. I'm really not understanding why Norman would abandon the plan just because there's a cliff. That's just incredibly stupid to me. There's a cliff? Okay so what? Literally hide in the forest for the however many months it takes for Emma's leg to heal and figure something out. You're seriously going to give up like that? Nah that's stupid. I hope they are trying to trick us here and something else is going on. |
ProofByColor said: yeah hide and let emma and ray be shipped out. Look, even if they want the products to be in the best shape possible, ultimately the one thing they want is the brain. As long as their brains are still intact, the possibility still remains that they would get shipped off.Okay lots of cool stuff this episode with the camera work and the reveal of how Ray knew etc. I'm really not understanding why Norman would abandon the plan just because there's a cliff. That's just incredibly stupid to me. There's a cliff? Okay so what? Literally hide in the forest for the however many months it takes for Emma's leg to heal and figure something out. You're seriously going to give up like that? Nah that's stupid. I hope they are trying to trick us here and something else is going on. Plus, the anime didn't say this but in the manga it's said that Or read the manga. The anime cut out a lot of important part. Mod Edit: Added spoiler tags; please hide plot details. |
DeadlyRavenMar 20, 2019 8:40 PM
| It was another tense episode and I enjoyed almost every second of it. That revelation at the end sure was something I wasn't expecting at all. Especially since Emma could see that there was just more forest on the other side of the wall some eps. ago but I guess it was a matter of the angle she had at that time. I also have to say that the direction during this episode was really nice. Not to mention that the way they portrayed Norman's despair when he was going for the water and when he revealed the truth about the cliff was very well handled. But on a side note, the studio deciding to not add any memory/flashback/images sequence of Ray when he was talking about his past and how they were born felt a bit lazy of them, being honest. And also, I couldn't help but find the way Norman climbed the wall rather... unrealistic. Not to mention that I also wonder how he managed to get back down from it but well. All in all, it was a very good episode but now, with the existence of a cliff, I wonder what the kids will do since their plan in no longer available. I guess it all will depend on the "gift" Krone left to them. That said, I'm really excited for the next episode. |
ttcchen said: They could tie a boulder at the end of the rope. Or better yet a stick. A stick could rotate in air and thus go further. Also there are chances for it to get stuck between braches and allow support. With some practice I think this can be done. Their main problem is the amount of time they have.Comander-07 said: So some more info dump about the world and they somehow managed to fill a whole episode with that. Kid can climb a vertical wall in a way even Assassins get jealous. Kid however cant throw a rope over a cliff. Mkay. Other kid can build some anti tracker device yet can't build some simple glider. Nobody ever thought about looking beyond the wall before making speculations about it. I can totally see how this manga sells so well, anything with more depth wouldnt be casual friendly enough. Idk this all seems underwhelming after the first episode. Maybe I simply should not have such high expectations? From potential AOTS in ep1 to drop worthy. -u definitely didn't watch this episode seriously if all u took out of it is info dumps -climbing the wall like an assassin? ok 1. it's not that hard to run up a wall with a rope as support and 2. these kids have been doing tag parkour training/games their entire life just watch the op and the kind of moves they were pulling and you think Norman can't manage something that simple? -throwing rope across the cliff? the other side is like more than 50 meters away how the hell is a 11 year old kid supposed to throw a weightless rope across?? It's hard to throw a rock that far let alone a rope. Let me see you try -anti tracker device is in no way similar to a glider. they don't work the same, don't use the same material, and require a completely different set of skills to make. just cause you can build a computer doesn't mean you can build a bike. just because you can build a bike doesn't mean you can build a motorcycle. and I'm only talking about similar things. just because you can build something to REMOVE TRACKING DEVICES doesn't mean you can build something to help you FLY. PLUS, ray took 6 years getting the necessary materials and knowledge to make the device. you think he can make a glider in that short amount of time with NO PRIOR PRACTICE, KNOWLEDGE, and TOOLS!?? ttcchen said: ProofByColor said: yeah hide and let emma and ray be shipped out. Look, even if they want the products to be in the best shape possible, ultimately the one thing they want is the brain. As long as their brains are still intact, the possibility still remains that they would get shipped off.Okay lots of cool stuff this episode with the camera work and the reveal of how Ray knew etc. I'm really not understanding why Norman would abandon the plan just because there's a cliff. That's just incredibly stupid to me. There's a cliff? Okay so what? Literally hide in the forest for the however many months it takes for Emma's leg to heal and figure something out. You're seriously going to give up like that? Nah that's stupid. I hope they are trying to trick us here and something else is going on. Plus, the anime didn't say this but in the manga it's said that Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. Mod Edit: Added spoiler tags; please hide plot details. Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
DeadlyRavenMar 20, 2019 8:34 PM
nightcrawlercyp said: They could tie a boulder at the end of the rope. Or better yet a stick. A stick could rotate in air and thus go further. Also there are chances for it to get stuck between braches and allow support. With some practice I think this can be done. Their main problem is the amount of time they have. so if they tie a boulder at the end of the rope, and norman tries to throw it, what do you think would happen? that it would somehow defy the laws of gravity and somehow make it to the other side? AzorAhai said: lmfaooo frfunny how towards the end Norman realized, "well.....fuck :)" that was hilarious Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
DeadlyRavenMar 20, 2019 8:32 PM
suzakukaworu said: No. Having a heavier object at the end will break air resistence that would normally prevent you from throwing cloth too far. Also you make it sound like gravity is so strong that you cannot throw stuff at long distances. But it depends on a number of factors including the height of the wall relative to the forest bellow. That being said slings and boomerangs show that when applied centrifugal force you can throw an object much further that throwing it straight. That being said I doubt Norman could do this with no training whatsoever. A day or two of training is more than enough but he does not even have a few hours.nightcrawlercyp said: They could tie a boulder at the end of the rope. Or better yet a stick. A stick could rotate in air and thus go further. Also there are chances for it to get stuck between braches and allow support. With some practice I think this can be done. Their main problem is the amount of time they have. so if they tie a boulder at the end of the rope, and norman tries to throw it, what do you think would happen? that it would somehow defy the laws of gravity and somehow make it to the other side? |
nightcrawlercyp said: ttcchen said: yeah hide and let emma and ray be shipped out. Look, even if they want the products to be in the best shape possible, ultimately the one thing they want is the brain. As long as their brains are still intact, the possibility still remains that they would get shipped off. Plus, the anime didn't say this but in the manga it's said that mary_zervou said: Graciaus said: I thought that was a little too much tooThe whole show was always kind of stupid with children 6-12 acting like grown adults. But convienetly having your memories from when you are a fetus might be even more ridiculous. @Graciaus i have memories from when i was a fetus too. It's not that abnormal. Plus, their orphanage is designed to produce high quality brains. They are specifically raised with specific rules and restraints in order to make them as smart as possible. So the trio being smarter than normal does makes sense. Plus, they are 11 years old, i haven't seen anyone aside from them, (like u said, 6-12) acting the way they did. And 11 is preteen, the same age as Gon, Naruto, Sasuke, and etc. I think Emma, Ray, and Norman are more "children" than at least the latter two are. Daniel_Naumov said: Tremendously liked the episode and how they portrayed composed and no so Norman, as he was going through mental anguish but enduring for the others. The only questionable thing was how Norman suddenly became a Prince of Persia and ran up the wall... but maybe this is possible and I have not heard of it, merely. Doubt it though. Either way, Krone must have left a big clue as to how survive through shipment. All ya'll who are wondering about the wall climb, check this out: She was able to jump/climb to double her height on the wall by just running up to it and launching herself up. Imagine what u can do with a rope as support. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. Mod Edit: Spoilers changed to cover more information. |
DeadlyRavenMar 20, 2019 8:30 PM
| The despair... The only way to escape is to go through the front gate. |
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| how did norman get down from the wall lol? mustve hurt himself |
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| Man now a cliff!! It's looking impossible to escape. |
| Dammit, that OP (and old ED) is amazing but misleading it showed them escap8ng together. It's reaching the climax, but the suspense kills me every week... apart from the fact that the OP and ED sh9w Norman to escape. Ya did to to yourself |
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| jeez normans eyes at the end hurt my soul a little the realization their plan was for nothing. big oof |
| So this episode means Ive only read past it by a few chapters before I stopped reading. It's been about couple years since and I don't think I can continue with this manga or the anime. I'm used to dark but this..... |
| man there are only 3 episodes left, after it's finished airing there's no way I'm gonna wait so long for the next season (if there's gonna be a next) first time reading manga I guess |
| Imagine if the orphanage/farm kids had Stewie Griffin on their side. He'll probably start off by saying to Isabella: "Damn you vile woman" while plotting an escape. |
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| Can't believe I ever thought for more than two seconds what they planned to do with that rope. |
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