Tensei shitara Slime Datta Ken Episode 19 Discussion

Tarotist said:
They're weakening Charybdis so that Rimuru can eat it...right?

Wait...Rimuru kept Mirim out of the fight because he thought Charybdis was going after him? And all of those forces only did about 30% damage? And then Mirim just nukes Charybdis all by herself...

Dorf is calling Milim a "secret weapon" because he doesn't want to tell Gazel that Rimuru has allied himself with a Demon Lord. Hehehe...

Now Rimuru has Beastmasters on his side now? How much stronger is this nation going to get?

bitchassdarius said:
keep spamming playground insults instead of bringing up relevant arguments. no one is impressed by your tantrums, child.


i think it's more laughable that you don't realize that there's only 6 episodes left. do you not know what a scenario is? don't bother replying until you realize i'm talking about the climax of the 2-cour season, and not the entire story. i forget how goddamn stupid anime fans are. i bet you failed literature class in high school but you still think you know what you're talking about because you watched a whole battle shounen and know how to talk about "power levels." what a disgrace

Atavistic said:
No surprise that the CGI on the sharks that Charybdis summoned was absolute garbage, but it was surprising to see just how bad the animation of Rimuru's flight was: it looked ridiculously jagged and totally unnatural, which is a big disappointment. Also, even before Milim got involved there was absolutely no sense of tension whatsoever, so this was pretty much completely redundant as usual.

Also, the fact that Milim did end up one-shotting it just proves my point from last week about how shit and lazy the writing is, as it proves that her help was only refused to drag this arc out a little bit more (cos it would be even more unsubstantial than it already is if they didn't).

This whole show just feels more and more aimless every week. And holy crap, reading through this thread shows that some people will not accept any criticism of this show at all, so I can't wait to get quoted eight or whatever times again to say that my opinion is shit or what have you.

Fede_5000 said:

The first volumes are a configuration of the world and the characters, but mainly the city, is not a story that must complete a cycle or climax when it is just showing the tip of the iceberg of a whole universe since the author did not write this, thinking about ending it in 24 episodes, he has many things to show for the future, do you know that before the anime lasted much longer than just 24 episodes? It takes Dragon Ball that the first 100 chapters were just adventures, villains that were clowns like the Pilaf gang and fights with not so serious rivals, it's not until piccolo daimaoh appears to be the first really evil villain that the story takes one more serious route it would be already focusing on the fights why she became so famous, and do you know when this happens? in chapter 102 obviously Tensura is not going to need so many episodes, but it is the custom that the current animes have to have a much faster rate.

Mattinator95 said:


This isn't even a battle shounen not really

do you even know what a series composition is? do you know what it means to write a scenario for a tv show? you really think a 4-cour show like dragon ball is comparable to 1/2-cour seasonals? i can't take you seriously if you don't even know how anime adaptations are written. don't bother replying, i don't waste my time on people that talk out of their ass.

bitchassdarius said:

do you even know what a series composition is? do you know what it means to write a scenario for a tv show? you really think a 4-cour show like dragon ball is comparable to 1/2-cour seasonals? i can't take you seriously if you don't even know how anime adaptations are written. don't bother replying, i don't waste my time on people that talk out of their ass.


you have abysmal reading comprehension skills

Briandias said:
Btw just skimmed through the thread a bit and damn the "discussion" is pretty heated

Especially on the topic of tension???

Well normally I don't care about this sort of technical stuff but, there seems to be a lot of consensus going on that

NO TENSION = BAD WRITING ???

Thats a pretty bold statement there I must say, if you guys talking about classical writing then yeah I agree that without tension a story would be flat, but that happen because back in the day most story are hero journey a journey from 0 to hero

And what we need story to move in progressive way, we need tension to build, obstacle to overcome, and drama

In the end we see what the character end up, a new man the journey were amazing and our heart were filled with satisfaction so much that we want to make our kid see it.

Which is why those type of writting is so popular

That is why I'm actually thrilled from the fact that tensura completely rid themsellves of any tension, purposely I mean think about it they introduced millim right before some random shark came, they always finish a fight of anykind in 1 ep (wolves,ifrit,orc lord, chraybids) that proceed with aftermath

It's like the author just give everyone a middle finger for thinking that tension is the number one driving force of any Writting that the world must comply themselves to the teaching of tension sensei.

Whats important is that this show still managed to give a "smile" in my face every monday morning, something that dororo and tate do 180° I'm pretty sure you guys understand what I'm saying.

I don't need tension at least from these show, If I want any typical hero journey clone than I could just rewatch the original starwars than watching some half assed anime with "high stakes".

Briandias said:
Btw just skimmed through the thread a bit and damn the "discussion" is pretty heated

Especially on the topic of tension???

Well normally I don't care about this sort of technical stuff but, there seems to be a lot of consensus going on that

NO TENSION = BAD WRITING ???

Thats a pretty bold statement there I must say, if you guys talking about classical writing then yeah I agree that without tension a story would be flat, but that happen because back in the day most story are hero journey a journey from 0 to hero

And what we need story to move in progressive way, we need tension to build, obstacle to overcome, and drama

In the end we see what the character end up, a new man the journey were amazing and our heart were filled with satisfaction so much that we want to make our kid see it.

Which is why those type of writting is so popular

That is why I'm actually thrilled from the fact that tensura completely rid themsellves of any tension, purposely I mean think about it they introduced millim right before some random shark came, they always finish a fight of anykind in 1 ep (wolves,ifrit,orc lord, chraybids) that proceed with aftermath

It's like the author just give everyone a middle finger for thinking that tension is the number one driving force of any Writting that the world must comply themselves to the teaching of tension sensei.

Whats important is that this show still managed to give a "smile" in my face every monday morning, something that dororo and tate do 180° I'm pretty sure you guys understand what I'm saying.

I don't need tension at least from these show, If I want any typical hero journey clone than I could just rewatch the original starwars than watching some half assed anime with "high stakes".

cyber-brain said:
Oh wow, the animation quality was astonishingly bad in the figh sequences. Copy-pasted pegasus knights with static horses, unimpactful beam attacks, and bad blend of 3D and 2D animation.

I even thought: "Ehhm, why am watching this show, again?"

And the plot of the last few episods was quite boring and "techincal": a dumb revenge-driven character got tricked into fusing with a power that he cannot control and attacks the protagost's village. It could've been taken care of in a minute if for some stupid reason the protagonsit's retainers did not forbid the 3rd party's intervention. So, the villagers take the defense in their hands. Of course, some extra weak threats are being supplied along with the OP anatagonsit to let the side characters shine for a few cuts. Our protagonist give the big baddy a try but conveniently realizes that he can use the OP 3rd party after all to finish this one off.

So, out of nowhere we get a big threat that is convenietly difused.

Briandias said:
Btw just skimmed through the thread a bit and damn the "discussion" is pretty heated

Especially on the topic of tension???

Well normally I don't care about this sort of technical stuff but, there seems to be a lot of consensus going on that

NO TENSION = BAD WRITING ???

Thats a pretty bold statement there I must say, if you guys talking about classical writing then yeah I agree that without tension a story would be flat, but that happen because back in the day most story are hero journey a journey from 0 to hero

And what we need story to move in progressive way, we need tension to build, obstacle to overcome, and drama

In the end we see what the character end up, a new man the journey were amazing and our heart were filled with satisfaction so much that we want to make our kid see it.

Which is why those type of writting is so popular

That is why I'm actually thrilled from the fact that tensura completely rid themsellves of any tension, purposely I mean think about it they introduced millim right before some random shark came, they always finish a fight of anykind in 1 ep (wolves,ifrit,orc lord, chraybids) that proceed with aftermath

It's like the author just give everyone a middle finger for thinking that tension is the number one driving force of any Writting that the world must comply themselves to the teaching of tension sensei.

Whats important is that this show still managed to give a "smile" in my face every monday morning, something that dororo and tate do 180° I'm pretty sure you guys understand what I'm saying.

I don't need tension at least from these show, If I want any typical hero journey clone than I could just rewatch the original starwars than watching some half assed anime with "high stakes".

Briandias said:
Btw just skimmed through the thread a bit and damn the "discussion" is pretty heated

Especially on the topic of tension???

Well normally I don't care about this sort of technical stuff but, there seems to be a lot of consensus going on that

NO TENSION = BAD WRITING ???

Thats a pretty bold statement there I must say, if you guys talking about classical writing then yeah I agree that without tension a story would be flat, but that happen because back in the day most story are hero journey a journey from 0 to hero

And what we need story to move in progressive way, we need tension to build, obstacle to overcome, and drama

In the end we see what the character end up, a new man the journey were amazing and our heart were filled with satisfaction so much that we want to make our kid see it.

Which is why those type of writting is so popular

That is why I'm actually thrilled from the fact that tensura completely rid themsellves of any tension, purposely I mean think about it they introduced millim right before some random shark came, they always finish a fight of anykind in 1 ep (wolves,ifrit,orc lord, chraybids) that proceed with aftermath

It's like the author just give everyone a middle finger for thinking that tension is the number one driving force of any Writting that the world must comply themselves to the teaching of tension sensei.

Whats important is that this show still managed to give a "smile" in my face every monday morning, something that dororo and tate do 180° I'm pretty sure you guys understand what I'm saying.

I don't need tension at least from these show, If I want any typical hero journey clone than I could just rewatch the original starwars than watching some half assed anime with "high stakes".

Fede_5000 said:

then the episode composer must forcefully give a "final" that is not final because the story continues, but he has to do it because that is what should be done according to you? as I try to do Re: zero even though I do not finish anything, nor the mystery of how Subaru came to that world or the reason of his powers, simply to stay with his waifu because that's what the anime was about, couples? PFFFF

Briandias said:
Btw just skimmed through the thread a bit and damn the "discussion" is pretty heated

Especially on the topic of tension???

Well normally I don't care about this sort of technical stuff but, there seems to be a lot of consensus going on that

NO TENSION = BAD WRITING ???

Thats a pretty bold statement there I must say, if you guys talking about classical writing then yeah I agree that without tension a story would be flat, but that happen because back in the day most story are hero journey a journey from 0 to hero

And what we need story to move in progressive way, we need tension to build, obstacle to overcome, and drama

In the end we see what the character end up, a new man the journey were amazing and our heart were filled with satisfaction so much that we want to make our kid see it.

Which is why those type of writting is so popular

That is why I'm actually thrilled from the fact that tensura completely rid themsellves of any tension, purposely I mean think about it they introduced millim right before some random shark came, they always finish a fight of anykind in 1 ep (wolves,ifrit,orc lord, chraybids) that proceed with aftermath

It's like the author just give everyone a middle finger for thinking that tension is the number one driving force of any Writting that the world must comply themselves to the teaching of tension sensei.

Whats important is that this show still managed to give a "smile" in my face every monday morning, something that dororo and tate do 180° I'm pretty sure you guys understand what I'm saying.

I don't need tension at least from these show, If I want any typical hero journey clone than I could just rewatch the original starwars than watching some half assed anime with "high stakes".

bitchassdarius said:

yeah, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. you mentioned dragon ball, so you know what an arc is. i would assume you understand how an arc is structured, but since you've utterly failed in proving you know anything thus far, let me explain it to you. arc's are structured like a normal story, with a beginning, a rising action, a climax, and a denouement. yes, they are part of a overarching narrative, but necessity dictates the arc must they have this structure lest the overarching narrative loses all semblance of structure.
when an anime is adapted from another source material, the writer doing the series composition plans the show to have the same general narrative structure. this is basic logic, why would you adapt a show and not have a climax for that season? what would even be the point of watching it? if it didn't follow a structure, then it wouldn't go anywhere, and if you're claiming this show doesn't contain a climax, then you're arguing this show is objectively bad, which i'm not particularly opposed to. now that i've explained this to you, don't ever post again. any meager respect you might have managed to keep is now relinquished due to your display of sheer ignorance.

bitchassdarius said:
keep spamming playground insults instead of bringing up relevant arguments. no one is impressed by your tantrums, child.


i think it's more laughable that you don't realize that there's only 6 episodes left. do you not know what a scenario is? don't bother replying until you realize i'm talking about the climax of the 2-cour season, and not the entire story. i forget how goddamn stupid anime fans are. i bet you failed literature class in high school but you still think you know what you're talking about because you watched a whole battle shounen and know how to talk about "power levels." what a disgrace

bitchassdarius said:

you're acting as if you know what exactly went through the writer's head when they wrote it, i.e. you're making an argument in bad faith based on your dubious perception of the writing. i'm not doing that, i've laid out the basic facts of how the story thus far has actually been written. if indeed the charbydis fight wasn't meant to act as the climax, then the story wasn't written well because it functionally is the show's climax, meaning it's thematically inconsistent with the rest of the show, which is grounds for shitting on the show's writing.
of course, it's always some schmuck with less than 20 anime watched that thinks they know what they're talking about but ends up blathering irrelevant nonsense. i never once argued that tensura is about tension, but you can set up as many strawmen as you want. my argument still stands, the charybdis fight is trash.

Atavistic said:
No surprise that the CGI on the sharks that Charybdis summoned was absolute garbage, but it was surprising to see just how bad the animation of Rimuru's flight was: it looked ridiculously jagged and totally unnatural, which is a big disappointment. Also, even before Milim got involved there was absolutely no sense of tension whatsoever, so this was pretty much completely redundant as usual.

Also, the fact that Milim did end up one-shotting it just proves my point from last week about how shit and lazy the writing is, as it proves that her help was only refused to drag this arc out a little bit more (cos it would be even more unsubstantial than it already is if they didn't).

This whole show just feels more and more aimless every week. And holy crap, reading through this thread shows that some people will not accept any criticism of this show at all, so I can't wait to get quoted eight or whatever times again to say that my opinion is shit or what have you.

bitchassdarius said:

yeah, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. you mentioned dragon ball, so you know what an arc is. i would assume you understand how an arc is structured, but since you've utterly failed in proving you know anything thus far, let me explain it to you. arc's are structured like a normal story, with a beginning, a rising action, a climax, and a denouement. yes, they are part of a overarching narrative, but necessity dictates the arc must they have this structure lest the overarching narrative loses all semblance of structure.

as per re:zero, you clearly missed the point of the show. the emphasis of the entirety of the adaptation thus far has been a character study on subaru as an arrogant, self-centered individual that grows into a legitimate hero figure. the white whale is a great setpiece because it's the culmination of subaru's evolution as a human. all the world building and underlying narrative threads are just icing. they don't actually matter. your reading of the show is pretty embarrassing, and if i were you i would refrain from ever trying to do something like that again. it just shows you're talking out your ass. did you pass literature class in high school?

when an anime is adapted from another source material, the writer doing the series composition plans the show to have the same general narrative structure. this is basic logic, why would you adapt a show and not have a climax for that season? what would even be the point of watching it? if it didn't follow a structure, then it wouldn't go anywhere, and if you're claiming this show doesn't contain a climax, then you're arguing this show is objectively bad, which i'm not particularly opposed to. now that i've explained this to you, don't ever post again. any meager respect you might have managed to keep is now relinquished due to your display of sheer ignorance.

bitchassdarius said:

you're acting as if you know what exactly went through the writer's head when they wrote it, i.e. you're making an argument in bad faith based on your dubious perception of the writing. i'm not doing that, i've laid out the basic facts of how the story thus far has actually been written. if indeed the charbydis fight wasn't meant to act as the climax, then the story wasn't written well because it functionally is the show's climax, meaning it's thematically inconsistent with the rest of the show, which is grounds for shitting on the show's writing.
of course, it's always some schmuck with less than 20 anime watched that thinks they know what they're talking about but ends up blathering irrelevant nonsense. i never once argued that tensura is about tension, but you can set up as many strawmen as you want. my argument still stands, the charybdis fight is trash.

jaw201 said:

More ad hominems, great. Then I will say what I said before again until you interact with my argument without insulting me or attempting to attack my character. Charybdis isn't the climax of the anime, which actually only has FOUR episodes left because the last two are side stories which aren't related to the main story. The anime season is going to end on the start of the climax. Where Rimuru gets I'm not even going to attack your character over the fact that you don't use proper grammar in your posts.

nina444 said:

an Arc is what ? Ummm , what did you just say ?
Im perplexed of how Smartypants you are Yet you're completely failed to see the forest for the trees . Im wondering , Have you heard this thing called Iyashikei (癒し系) anime/manga/etc ?

jaw201 said:

Here's the issue, Volumes 1-3 have no real climax, as they are all apart of the setup/prologue portion of the story as a whole. In fact, the Charybdis was added as a way to fix some of the pacing from the Web Novel. Our Cliffhanger will be the start of the Climax. If you were to break the series into parts, volumes 1-3 are the exposition and world building sections, while volume 4/5/6 of the light novel are the climax of the first part/arc of the story.

Briandias said:


Also I'm pretty sure I'm not reffering to you spesificly when I talk about the whole tension and stuff, rather it's more like the general things that the thread discuss so theres no need to get overly emotional, It's not the best for your health after all.

Also let me added something's a bit ok, I believe that there are a lot of amazing thing you can do with writting

Tension,drama,emotional breakdown,tight plot progression, characterization, world/city/nation building, adventure, etc

What I'm saying is that just because one thing of so many factor didn't exist within a show doesn't mean that the show is bad.

I have a lot to say about the episode of slime recently too don't get me wrong, I consider the pacing recently is awfull, way too fast this is a show that sell it's series on the fun/adventure/building aspect after all not the battle so cutting most of those off is seriously bad as an adaptation you might say

But that's really about it, tension??? Couldn't care less, if it exist than ok if it's not than so what

Of course to show like fmab, code geass, death note than yeah I want some stake some tension, without it, it will be very boring after all, but I didn't come to show like konosuba and expect drama right??? Well it's just like that

Again I'm not a god of writting, nor someone who consider my self an elitist that know everything, I'm just not oblivious for better or worse

learn what an ad hominem actually is before you try to use that word. an insult isn't an ad hominem. stop embarrassing yourself.
a climax isn't the end of a story, it's an event necessary for the falling action to commence. if you think this season will end without a climax, then you're agreeing that this show is written terribly. stop posting, you're further discrediting yourself. take that as a suggestion, not as your woefully uninformed perception of what an "ad hominem" is.

bitchassdarius said:

learn what an ad hominem actually is before you try to use that word. an insult isn't an ad hominem. stop embarrassing yourself.
a climax isn't the end of a story, it's an event necessary for the falling action to commence. if you think this season will end without a climax, then you're agreeing that this show is written terribly. stop posting, you're further discrediting yourself. take that as a suggestion, not as your woefully uninformed perception of what an "ad hominem" is.

bitchassdarius said:

apparently you don't even know what an iyashikei is, but i'm not surprised that you use words you don't know. tensura isn't an iyashikei, and itashikei isn't even relevant. fans of this franchise would laugh at you for calling this an iyashikei.




here's the issue, i'm talking about the anime, not the source material. so this is more irrelevant information.


your "revelation" about tension isn't particularly new or insightful. you seem to be insinuating that tensura is a, as anime fans love abusing this term, "deconstruction," but this is ignoring the fact that tensura is a very typical isekai affair. when other ips like overlord and death march exist, you can't really claim tensura is offering anything new other than the facile novelty of having a slime protagonist. i would never complain that overlord lacks tension or that the battles don't matter because the show actually, for better or worse, places the empathetic focus of its battles on the weaker human forces. tensura doesn't know how to position the story to make its conflicts meaningful, it's not that it lacks tension but more so there is no substantive replacement for it.

jaw201 said:

>Continues attacking me instead of my argument
>says that isn't ad Hominem
Okay. Whatever you say. I'm saying that there won't be a Climax since there needs to be a second season before you can get to the actual climax of the story because, they are restricted from actually getting there by the manga publisher and the production committee. I would say that our Climax was the Orc Lord fight, and everything else has been the falling action for all of volume 3, volume 4 is the start of another rising action section into a Climax

bitchassdarius said:

apparently you don't even know what an iyashikei is, but i'm not surprised that you use words you don't know. tensura isn't an iyashikei, and iyashikei isn't even relevant. fans of this franchise would laugh at you for calling this an iyashikei.




here's the issue, i'm talking about the anime, not the source material. so this is more irrelevant information.


your "revelation" about tension isn't particularly new or insightful. you seem to be insinuating that tensura is a, as anime fans love abusing this term, "deconstruction," but this is ignoring the fact that tensura is a very typical isekai affair. when other ips like overlord and death march exist, you can't really claim tensura is offering anything new other than the facile novelty of having a slime protagonist. i would never complain that overlord lacks tension or that the battles don't matter because the show actually, for better or worse, places the empathetic focus of its battles on the weaker human forces. tensura doesn't know how to position the story to make its conflicts meaningful, it's not that it lacks tension but more so there is no substantive replacement for it.

jaw201 said:


Its not irrelevant when you continue to say the writing is bad when there was no climax in volume three to begin with, so your point about Charybdis being the climax is wrong.

Graymanes said:
Those hollywood movie grade sound effect are just pure badass,i don't really care for these stupid long ass comments from peoples which sometimes irritating me and annoy me as well. think that was all i had to explained.

thesarcasticguy said:
Well that ended quicker than I thought it would


Rimuru also made a new demon Lord friend

bitchassdarius said:

how many times do i have to tell you? the anime adaptation is a separate entity from the source material. how the novels are structured doesn't matter, because the anime series is composed completely separately from the novels. this season has 25 episodes, how many episodes do the novels have? don't answer this question, it's rhetorical. the novels don't have any episodes because it's a fucking completely different medium. until you show comprehension of this fact, i'm not bothering to reply to your inane bullshit anymore.

MattUzumaki said:
Such a bs fight...
They said that Charybdis was as strong as a Demon Lord (or at least very close to one), but he just got one shotted. Ooooookay duuude...

kater_tot said:
I really like this anime but i do wish things weren't so easy for the characters... everything just seems to go a little too smoothly so there's not much conflict.

The sound effects for this series are amazing, especially Milim's Drago Buster

Mattinator95 said:



Why would there be conflict if the battle and fights arent the main theme of series they have hardly solved any plot points that effect anything on a grander scale they a pretty much brushed aside the next episode back to slice of life

Mattinator95 said:



Why would there be conflict if the battle and fights arent the main theme of series they have hardly solved any plot points that effect anything on a grander scale they a pretty much brushed aside the next episode back to slice of life

kater_tot said:


I get that the show is slice of life but it would be cool if there was a bit more tension. Like, it was set up that humans and monsters hated each other yet the humans have so willingly accepted this nation of monsters that just appeared out of nowhere and also has the power to take down a demon lord without any back up... that would not be as smooth as the show has made out. Like i don't want death and blood shed but it would be cool if there was a little more conflict

Mattinator95 said:


Depends on who needs to feel the tension the characters seem to have tension during the fight. But people kept to feel it too when they already know the characters are either op or cable so what would be the point of making tension for the viewer