| If by degenerate you mean sexualized, iunno. I honestly think the west is much more sexualized. Japanese folk restrain even from kiss in public places. |
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| I think we get desensitized after watching enough of it, so it might be worth reminding ourselves of one basic fact: Anime is weird. We can make excuses about culture, or counter by pointing out the West's own creepy shit (child beauty pageants, anybody?), but none of that changes the fact that anime is just really, really creepy sometimes. Rather than try, and inevitably fail, to deny it, why not just admit that you're into weird shit and stop caring what other people think? |
| People labelling moe as something "degenerate" are part of the problem though. Gotta love when people throw the word along with terms that do imply sexualization and we are fine with it because memes. |
Dante012 said: Apollo18 said: This post is objectively retarded So is focusing on a single aspect of a whole industry. Which is what you just did, congrats. Don't get me wrong, I do agree with everything you said. But this is pure generalization of a medium that is much, much more diverse than that, and you should know that since you're on this website. As far as I remember, FMA had no moe or loli stuff. Dragon Ball had a few panty shots, but most of this show is "serious". Naruto doesn't have moe or lolicon either. Nor has Gundam, One Punch Man, Attack on Titan. And I only mentionned mainstream animes. I could talk about Violet Evergarden, which has no moe or loli stuff at all. I could talk about "Hibike! Euphonium", which has mature/realistic vibes. There's also the WHOLE GENRE of animes "for kids". Where do you see perverted stuff in Pokemon? YugiOh? Beyblade? My point is, you make it sound like lolicon and moe (I usually put these two together xD) are everywhere in japanimation. They're not. Not only moe/lolicon stuff is NOT ominous, it is also superficial most of the time. In the case of Dragon Ball, everytime it talks about panties is just a JOKE. Like someone drawing a d*ck on the blackboard at school. It's stupid, vulgar, but it's a JOKE. Finally, I think Oreimo is a perfect depiction of the lack of reflexion and tolerance of someone limiting the anime industry to the perverted stuff. I'm not sure you know what moe actually means. Pretty much everything you listed has plenty of moe in it if you ask me (and that's not a bad thing) and there is no inherent connection between moe and lolis except that lolis are often moe - but so are a million other things in anime. Heck, Kaiji is one of the more famous examples of moe in anime and not sure there's anything for lolicons in that show. Your post would be better if it just didn't mention moe because it doesn't really fit in with the argument. Just for the record :> |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Nanaya-kun said: Apollo18 said: This post is objectively retarded, and if OP isnt just deliberately saying the dumbest shit he can think of, I sincerely feel bad for his parents. Anime has a whole genre of graphic videos of adult men fucking their under-age sisters, for fucks sake (which get uncritical, positive reviews on *this very website*). Big, mainstream animes constantly do crotch-shots of characters who are meant to be 14, 13, or younger. If you did that shit in western animation, people would try to hang from a lamp-post But how does the anime scene react? The idea of "lolicons"(ie people sexually attracted to children: PEDOFILES) is treated as a cute joke, "omg, dont lewd the loli, uwu lol xd [emoticon cat face]". In any other western subculture, pedos would have to hide, be secretive, but the anime scene is so degenerate that people will actively defend these pedofiles (like OP is doing in thia post). Anime conventions and websites sell videos and pictures of obviously underage girls, as young as toddlers, in "sexy" poses, or just flat-out having sex. And this isnt some secret, darkweb, underground thing- This is within mainstream anime- *theres reviews of graphic videos of adult men fucking 7yos on MAL*. And the anime scene is SOOO rife with degenerates, that the average anime fan will either (1)ignore it and hope no-one notices the child porn their freinds are watching or (2) actively DEFEND THE CHILD PORN, saying "but they're not ACTUALLY, PHYSICALLY fucking a 7yo. They're just FANTASIZING about fucking 7yos, so whats the big deal, lol". For fucks sake, you're writing this post on a website where graphic porn depicting pre-teens get positive reviews, and you're DEFENDING THAT CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, but you're accusing *others* of being "degeneerate" because of some made-up shit about under-age smoking?!? Motherfucker you're out of your goddamn mind. Until the anime scene pro-actively, openly, thouroughly, vocally starts getting rid of the pedofiles,pedofilia and child porn that are omnipresent (and embraced/protected- like OP is doing here) through-out the anime scene (like the numerous reviews of porn depicting adults fucking pre-teen chidren on MAL) anyone with any brains and/or insight will continue to inform people of the disturbing reality that the anime fandom embraces and defends pedofiles. You are jumping to some pretty wild conclusions here, accusing me of protecting pedophiles? Where exactly did I defend them? Tell me pls. Lolicons aren't actual pedos, they are confused wannabes. The only one they are harming is their self's. You are saying how you want to censor something you deem morally wrong based on your culture, but Japan is ok with it, cause guess what, it ain't fucking real! Honestly go cry in your safe space or smt. The real world is a fucked up place and it isn't what mommy and daddy told you would be. Grow up. And a word of advice don't go accusing people to make your points, it makes you look stupid and won't be taken seriously. You do bring some good points out but let me tell you what the west also has, child actors in showbiz which is ran by pedos, who molest REAL kids and get away with it. Not some 2D cartoons on a paper sheet which don't even look human. Why don't you focus on that instead on unrelated crap like anime which is made by weirdos for weirdos? "You are jumping to some pretty wild conclusions here, accusing me of protecting pedophiles? Where exactly did I defend them? Tell me pls. Lolicons aren't actual pedos" OMFG.... "Where did I defend them?" "Lolicons aren't actual pedos"  You can't honestly be that dumb... "child actors in showbiz which is ran by pedos, who molest REAL kids and get away with it." Right, because REAL children don't get molested in Japan, where age of consent is 12, child prostitution laws are basically un-enforced, and pedofilia is so normalized and accepted that you can buy actual used schoolgirl panties form vending machines out in public. You keep doing this moronic thing of "but.. but here's this one bad thing that happened in the west once.... therefore anime gets a pass for everything, ever..." Dude, it doesn't work like that. "Yeah, Jeffry Dahmer DID torture and kill 20 people... but Ted Bundy tortured and killed *25* people, therefore Dahmer gets a pass, unlock the cell, let him out..." lol, no. If Hollywood made a film graphically depicting adults anally raping pre-teens, they'd be spat on in the streets, arrested, and get the shit beaten out of them in prison- yet in anime, graphic depictions of the anal rape of pre-teens are openly sold, people (the people you're defending) have that shit ticked off on their MAL lists. AND YOU ARE, RIGHT THIS SECOND, DEFENDING THESE PEDOFILES, by saying, "Yeah, but they aren't REALLY pedofiles, because they only WANT TO rape 6yos!! We don't know whether or not they've actually physically done it yet..." Giving pedofiles cutesy names like "lolicon" IS DEFENDING AND PROTECTING PEDOFILES. And so is saying "but... but they're not pedofiles...". And so is your insistence that there's no problem with a medium that includes graphic videos of children being raped. And so is your instinctive deflection to "but what about the west!!" everytime some-one points out the reality of pedofilia in the anime fandom. And it's just objectively false that there's any meaningful difference in definition between "lolicon" and "pedofile". Definition: "lolicon"- sexually attracted to pre-pubescent girls https://www.yourdictionary.com/lolicon Definition: "pedofile"-an adult who sexually desires children https://www.yourdictionary.com/pedophile "Lolicon" is just a word pedofiles use to seem less like pedofiles. So, no. A "lolicon" is, literally, a pedofile- it's just that they MIGHT BE yet to graduate to full-blown "child molester", but child molesters don't just pop up out of no-where- they gradually build up from watching the child pornography that you're defending, and *just* being the kind of pedofile that you're defending, THEN they move on to actually physically raping children. Most western fandoms and subcultures would absolutely never, ever, even come close to tolerating the amount of pedofilia and child porn that the anime actively defends (like you're doing now). What do you think would happen if someone at, say, an NFL event, or a record collecter's fair, started openly selling videos and images of near-toddlers getting raped? That person would get beaten to a bloody pulp. But that shit is the norm at anime cons. Like you, most anime fans have the instinctive reaction of just wanting to ignore the issue and pretend it isn't happening, or deny and rationalize it- it's the same mindset as the Catholic church or the boy-scouts in the 70s, 80s and 90s, where normal people inadvertantly ended up protecting, and creating a safe-haven for pedos because they didn't want to cause drama for their group. The only other fandom I know of that is as passionate as the anime fandom in it's defense of criminal sexual degeneracy, is furries, who have a very similar issue, except the furries defend and downplay beastiality (despite the long, long list of prominent furries who've been caught and/or charged with horrific animal sexual abuse), and the anime fandom defends and downplays pedofilia (despite the commonness of child molesters owning anime child porn) People aren't stupid. Anime fandom (like with the furries) will keep having that reputation as long as that mindset to downplay, defend and protect pedofiles keeps being dominant- You guys can delude yourselves about "unfair stereotypes" and "false assumptions" and whatever other bullshit as much as you want, but as long as the fandom is totes OK with people having MAL lists full of anime about grown men fucking 9yos, anime fans' reputation for sexual degeneracy won't change. And lol at "go hide in your safe space"- Motherfucker, YOU are the one hiding from reality, crying about "why do people say mean things about us?!?", and who is so gutless that you can only ask this question *here*, where a bunch of other morons in denial will suck your dick. If you want a REAL answer to this post, get out of YOUR "safe space" (MAL is the absolute last place you'll get an honest answer on this shit) and go ask some normal people, who DON"T have a vested interest in denying the bleeding obvious. |
| People fear what they don't understand. |
| "In Japan age of consent is 12" Guys this is the country where a guy was sentenced to pay 200,000 yen for owning child porn and where a... voice actress I think? who denounced abuse was forced to apologize for causing a scandal. There are enough issues in Japan, there is no need to make shit up instead. |
gaq_t said: jal90 said: "In Japan age of consent is 12" Guys this is the country where a guy was sentenced to pay 200,000 yen for owning child porn and where a... voice actress I think? who denounced abuse was forced to apologize for causing a scandal. There are enough issues in Japan, there is no need to make shit up instead. They didn't even lock him up? What the actual fuck? You think paying money for owning child porn is okay? And they say the west is degenerate.. Yep, that is quite sick. Apparently you do get locked up if you create or distribute child porn, but owning it is considered a minor offense. And not that I want to defend Japan's laws on the matter, but I don't think it's very serious to associate the sexualization of very young characters in anime with an age of consent that in practice never applies just like that. Lolicon does not exist due to a low age of consent, specially if there are other laws that basically prevent people from engaging in sexual activity with minors either way. It's just a wish-fulfillment for perverted otaku and it has nothing to do with the larger social structure that defines the current laws on consent in Japan. Associating both is a bit myopic I think and reeks of confirmation bias. It's not like otaku are widely accepted in the Japanese society, let alone the perverted ones that lust on fictional children. With that association you are creating an image of Japan that rather resembles a silly strawman, and there's no way to take that seriously. |
| Based on this discussion, the biggest problem people seem to have with anime is that it puts minors in sexual situations, otherwise Western media is just as violent and often just as sexualized. I have no problem with anime lolis being lewd, and that’s because an anime loli and a real life female are completely separate. They don’t act, look, or sound the same, there is no correlation between the two. And since there is no correlation, there is no way sexual depictions in anime can lead to wanting such depictions with real girls. If anything, that would be a downgrade, since 2D is way hotter than 3D! If somebody accuses anime of being pedophilic, they are probably the actual degenerates since they are the ones believing that anime girls relate at all to real life ones. |
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| Not necessarily about the content but the whole objection of adults watching cartoons. That's often what they mean. When it's about content they just don't out thought into it. Either way it just is them signaling how much of a Reactionary they are. |
traedFeb 11, 2019 1:08 PM
| I think it's misunderstood. It's the same way people try to say gamers are losers. It's all just pushing everyone into one group based off of stereotypes or something they see one anime fan do... That's how "weeaboo" was created. CHLO_JO007 said: Completely agree. It's just sterotypes that are told about how Japan does things simply because they can see something from some anime... If anything crime rates are much lower than other places.. Also, why must I always see this BS where people think Japan approves of pedophilia?! Kids have a lot of freedom there; you can go to a 7/11 and see a 6 year old alone buying dinner. You can go on a train and see a middle schooler all alone heading to an entirely different city for classes. Do you think parents would be letting their kids out like that if their society approved of preying on kids??! traed said: It's just the way people think like adults should be this way or that way. It's just when they see someone who is different or have an interest they see as weird they draw assumptions about them. Which is rather harsh.. Not necessarily about the content but the whole objection of adults watching cartoons. That's often what they mean. When it's about content they just don't out thought into it. Either way it just is them signaling how much of a Reactionary they are. DiscoDespot said: I second this.. It's stupid to try to attack what anime does when western stuff is just as guilty. For people to even accuse Japan as an overly sexualized country is just hypocrisy.. Based on this discussion, the biggest problem people seem to have with anime is that it puts minors in sexual situations, otherwise Western media is just as violent and often just as sexualized. I have no problem with anime lolis being lewd, and that’s because an anime loli and a real life female are completely separate. They don’t act, look, or sound the same, there is no correlation between the two. And since there is no correlation, there is no way sexual depictions in anime can lead to wanting such depictions with real girls. If anything, that would be a downgrade, since 2D is way hotter than 3D! If somebody accuses anime of being pedophilic, they are probably the actual degenerates since they are the ones believing that anime girls relate at all to real life ones. |
Va-11OtakuFeb 11, 2019 1:28 PM
on SenjuIriamu said: If anything crime rates are much lower than other places.. Keep in mind they are known to falsify crime statistics at least in Tokyo. Has to do with keeping an illusion of safety and police competency. They will do things like report unsolved murders as suicides or force false confessions of rape and things like that. |
traed said: Oh damn really? I never knew that.. That's terrifying.SenjuIriamu said: If anything crime rates are much lower than other places.. Keep in mind they are known to falsify crime statistics at least in Tokyo. Has to do with keeping an illusion of safety and police competency. They will do things like report unsolved murders as suicides or force false confessions of rape and things like that. |
| OP please stop posting, ok thanx bye. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| Are you trolling? It really feels like you're trolling. Incest and pandering to pedophi--ah, I mean, lolicons is vastly more disturbing than underage smoking and drinking. Oh, and here's a 17 year old anime girl smoking:  So there goes that argument. You do have outliers in Western pop culture like Family Guy, but anime has made dudes who wanna fuck their 12 year-old sisters so common its practically its own genre. And you can stuff that 'no underage promiscuity' shit straight back up the seaty orifice you pulled it out of. Ever hear of something called 'Harem anime'? Those routinely star teenagers. Unless you're trying to make the argument that it's okay for their teenagers to be promiscuous because they aren't underage in Japan. |
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InkSpider said: Are you trolling? It really feels like you're trolling. Incest and pandering to pedophi--ah, I mean, lolicons is vastly more disturbing than underage smoking and drinking. Oh, and here's a 17 year old anime girl smoking: So there goes that argument. You do have outliers in Western pop culture like Family Guy, but anime has made dudes who wanna fuck their 12 year-old sisters so common its practically its own genre. And you can stuff that 'no underage promiscuity' shit straight back up the seaty orifice you pulled it out of. Ever hear of something called 'Harem anime'? Those routinely star teenagers. Unless you're trying to make the argument that it's okay for their teenagers to be promiscuous because they aren't underage in Japan. It doesn't matter if it is half trolling or not, as long as there is a discussion going on it is alright and this thread served its purpose of that don't you think? They are, but as far as anime goes do you see incest and pedo shit as so common? Most of the incest anime don't even have the siblings be related by blood, so it is like a pseudo fetish more than anything. As for pedo/loli anime, let's see ... most of those so called lolis are in fact just bodily but not mentally child like, the hundred + loli anyone? They come of as petite women rather than children. And they never show actual pedophilia on the screen, like them having sex wow. That is only left to hentai and shit, which is unrelated to anime. That girl is from FLCL which is an OVA, not a TV anime. OVA's can get away with more graphic content than TV anime can, nice try I guess. I guess, but again that is viewers sexualizing the shit out of fictional girls. Yeah you got ecchis but they do not show intercourse between minors, you get what I mean? Back to the last point ^, they do not show sex ... like come on, most don't even go as far as to show a kiss for god sake. |
Nanaya-kun said: I'm glad we could come to an understanding.Cabron said: OP please stop posting, ok thanx bye. Don't tell me what to do lmao, just because you asked me to stop I wont. Hope you are happy now, I was considering stopping too. Thanx a lot. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
Skana said: Not worth it. Too much work gets to you after a while. All entertainment is degenerate. The only way to live is to work for 14 hours a day then pass out. |
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Nanaya-kun said: You know what it doesn't have?! Minors engaging in promiscuity! That's against the Japanese way after all. You see, it teaches you values. Also the mc's are always nice guys who treat women right, or equally like Kazuma from Konosuba, and that is good. Many other examples, but it will get too long. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA holy cow, I really can't tell if you're trolling or just entirely full of shit. How have we come to this? |
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| As far as I know, this stems from memes and hentai. |
| People who say things like this have a very base level perspective when it comes to anime. They might've watched DXD thanks to that weirdo firend they had in Middle School and Hated or they might've seen some memes about Hentai And thought everything is like that. |
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| First we gotta ask what the hell does "degenerate" even mean, cuz to me it just souns like a word normies throw around in complete conviction that their traditionalist, conventional perspective on life is the only righteous one. |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| Hey man, I don't know about you but I'd very much rather have people smoking and drinking alcohol than boinking their younger sister and her friends. Simply put, most stuff you listed for the west is legal and even some dugs are being legalized due to certain health benefits while the anime stuff you listed isn't. The age of consent is quite low nationally in Japan, but the regional laws of Japan take priority just like how state laws take priority over national law in the US. From a regional basis the age of consent is closer to what the US has. If it wasn't for the national law and the fact that story tellers are free to do whatever they wish with characters they created chances are we wouldn't have something like that. Degenerate is a lack of morals or a person who lacks certain morals. So basically either the US's laws allowing drugs are a sign of national degeneracy on a more extreme scale than people thinking it's alright to watch children act in a sexual way because cartoons or a lack of morals leading people to accept underaged children in sexual situations is higher on the degeneracy scale than people doing things that are now legal. Heck, underaged smoking was legal a long time ago and it's possible that western media uses it for historical accuracy. That's something entirely different from getting some good ol' fanservice. And then we talk about western cartoons and the levels are like night and day. In western cartoons like Big Mouth or something made by Seth MacFarlane the sex and drug related scenes are always matched with us constantly being reassured with what they just did being bad based on the consequences of what was done typically being a plot point for an episode. Heck, Big Mouth is all about horny kids but it makes what they do seem like the work of a demon instead of a sudden occurrence. Compare that to Harem protagonist number 4873 who just tripped, pulled down a girl's skirt, and landed in another girl's crotch (I'm hyperbolizing calm down) and suddenly being blessed with the ability to swim in pussy for as long as he remains dense. It just isn't okay. That said, not all anime is degenerate. Heck, this season has The Promised Neverland which so far has been handling its disturbingly smart children with care. But let's be honest, most of the stuff out there is pretty degenerate. We just don't like discussing the degenerate elements of certain series when they are clearly really well written and seem to have a lot of passion put into them. Gurren Lagann has a half naked super attractive underaged red head and a hot springs episode pre time skip but we ignore those things because the show is good and Yoko is legal by the end of it. Okay so I have more to say on the topic but I really don't have enough time nor the attention span to hit you with a text wall on degeneracy in anime compared to western media. Basically all you really needed to know is that anime touches on degenerate subjects that western media doesn't as often which makes the general view of anime be that of a degenerate medium. |
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