Yakusoku no Neverland Episode 5 Discussion

So Ray is a double agent, It was an interesting episode. I've got some nitpicks about it though:

1) Ray said that he did everything for their friends and wanted their friends to give the doll to the girl that got killed but it was a "set up" so the friends could see the cruel reality, however, this was extremely risky because their friends could get killed afterwards if they were found out by the monsters. IMHO it was not worth the risk.

2) The "evil" faces Ray was making in this episode was indeed stupid, if he's a double agent that care for his friends then he shouldn't be making evil faces like that, it was like: "Hey, look at me audience, I'm evil!" and then it was: "Hah, you got fooled, I'm actually a semi-good guy that care for my friends...hah!", yeah, that was weird.

3) Waiting another week fucking sucks.

Honestly, since the beginning, I liked Ray's character the most. I knew he is up to something like "keep your friends close but your enemies closer" situation. He is a tactician as mentioned on the first ep, data gathering is important in planning a strategy and achieving goals.

I'm glad this episode just proves it. He has the most realistic goal and way ahead smarter than the rest, tho Norman is also up there too. However somehow now that Ray is revealed, I feel that it will backfire.

What on earth was happening in the scene right after Ray reveals himself as a double agent and tells Norman they have to leave the other kids behind? When he goes out to the hall and stares at the wall making the weirdest leer and Norman sitting in the room like he's trying to hide even though Ray just left him there and then Norman covers his mouth and Ray goes "tch" like he's disappointed? Was he hoping for a reaction from Norman that he couldn't hear or see, being out in the hall...?

Otherwise, I feel the pacing is ok and some good suspense, not a fan of the constant cliffhangers, this is the one problem with trying to watch a seasonal series. My main hope for this anime is that it will at least manage to conclude the arc, I keep comparing this to deadman wonderland which adapted the manga pretty much page for page, most of the details that it was able to fit in 12 or 13 episodes (minus, I think, some scenes between Shiro and a character who would feature in the second arc) and kind of wrapped up the first arc in a very similar escape as this one is building to. Except it was kind of half assed. So if this show can conclude on like, the escape, or something right afterwards without putting the finale right in the middle of something, I'll be satisfied and I can go dig through manga summaries.

Oh yeah, not looking forward to Emma and Norman having to leave behind all the other kids, if only for how it will affect them.

*Intense discussion intensifies*

I find emma so annoying, she only thinks emotionally rather than logically

These eps keep getting better!

Shit those two are in TROUBLE.

To their defense I will say that the reason Don and Gilda are acting like that is because they don't know the cruel reality yet and the main characters do. If Don and Gilda also saw the monsters and the corpse of that little girl they would act more intelligently and less stupid like they did in this episode. I will say that the main characters are at fault for not telling them the truth.

If we reverse the situation and assume that Don and Gilda were the ones that saw the monsters and the corpse of the little girl then I don't think the main characters would believe them that easy either and might do the same mistakes they did in this episode.

i don't trust Ray anymore

I dont thnk Ry is a good guy. He wanted the two of them to survive. I assume that is what Norman worked out later. the two ray is talking about is either ray and norman or ray and emma.

i didn't like the fact that pacing was too fast so far but this episode was amazing, eventhough it felt fast the shock factor of Ray being the spy was delivered well

I can't belive they're leaving out so much stuff, and the pacing is too fast. Does the CGI bother anyone else?

it was actually good making him a little bit hostile for Norman

maybe it will be showed unto the upcoming episodes just for the non-manga readers to be hyped about him. Its good to be that way though.

When did Emma discover the book that set their goal when they went outside? I completely forgot when that was but I think that's something that should have been established ages ago :p

Okay shit just got intense. I wonder who's going to enter the room, Mama, Sister or maybe Ray? I bet Ray suspected Don could do something stupid so maybe he followed them.

I like Ray so much. He is so badass.
Why I feel that in the end of the episode it isn't mom but just kids? xD

I haven't read the manga but even for me, the episode felt very rushed. I think one of the biggest problems is that this anime is only 12 episodes long and there is too much stuff to cover. We are now halfway through and I have a bad feeling about the show by now. I worry that things will really be rushed through. I would love to understand Mama more, I want to know how humans ended up being cattle. Are the children being cloned or born out of test tubes? Are there only mothers or are there more adults? Is this actually Earth? Is there a resistance outside? I would also learn more about the children but I somehow doubt that this will happen. A shame.

Don is making a bad move but that's because he's under the impression that Connie is still alive so he's only reacting with what scenario was given to him. It's not entirely his fault for having an overwhelming sense of urgency.

Oh, btw
Manga readers annoy me so much in these threads when we're supposed to be talking about the anime and not about things in the manga. The moderators are so lenient they flood these boards with their gripes and inadvertently drop unwanted spoilers. Anime only viewers are getting trampled by their constant complaints.

There's a little something that happened in the episode that's been bothering me, maybe Its nothing though.

when Ray left the room, a couple seconds later, Norman made an intriguing kind of facial expression as if he realized something and so did Ray. but they never explained anything.

Yeah that is a direction decision for the anime I think, because in the manga you can read their thoughts in that moment, while here, you're left wondering. It's a choice they made to have more tension, and also because they have to adapt a lot of material in only 12 episodes.

Its unrealistic to save everyone, the oldest ones should escape and leave everyone behind.

Can someone enlighten me about something? Norman tried to bring an issue to Ray but always being cut in by Emma( in the room and again at the Garden) i dont mind if i'll be spoiled i just wanna know what's that

To think that Ray would turn out to be scarier than the demons and that freak sister. Now I see what kind of psychological troubles they're having. So basically you can't trust anyone. But he has a point there; Emma is kind of stupid to think that she can save everyone. I think Ray is my favorite character so far. And what's wrong with that couple of idiots who sneaked into Mama's office. Can't wait until Friday :(

Ray can make some really creepy faces!

Yet another cliffhanger...

Am I wrong, or did this episode had a little bit more music compared to the previous ones? Anyway, it was great, especially them Ray's creepy faces, but... man...

That cliffhanger! ;D So we need to wait one more week to see what's gonna happen with Don and Gilda. I have some hopes that it won't be Mother, but Krone or one of our protagonist trio.

oh man i hope that one of the three is opening the door, instead of mama

Gostei do destaque que o Ray passou a ter, pois achava ele um personagem pouco chamativo.

Looks like Ray is the most level headed of the bunch, though he took a huge risk involving others in his escape plan for I'm not sure what reasons. He was on point when he said everyone else would be dead weight.

Emma and Don are ticking bombs, I'm convinced they will either completely screw up the escape plan or at least get a number of them killed. Emma is clearly not mentally prepared for the very likely scenario that they will get massacred and Don seems completely unstable. I was sitting the whole episode just waiting for one them to do something completely stupid.

damn it was good, yoo emma's face when telling ray to not do it again was scary legit this is a good anime so far... i wonder how they gonna survive in aworld full of monsters and yea they are the experiments i think so damn i'm thinking this will be a 3 season anime or not who knows anyway enjoyed it so much!!!

Let's not forget that Emma is also one of the three top scorers of the class so she is nowhere stupid. She may be naive, but she's not dumb. She has the skills to back up her words. Just keep watching and you'll see.



Its not specified in the manga but after finishing the escape arc my assumption is



Even if the anime isn't rushed you won't get ur answers to these questions until like after the escape arc. Cuz so unless we get a 2nd season we won't find out about these.


Thats only for now. Her time to shine has yet to come.




In the manga we were shown their thoughts in that moment but i guess for some reason the anime decided to cut them out and only use the characters'facial expressions to show what they r thinking maybe to mystify it? Lol idk
Anyway this scene is in chapter 14. Check it out if u wanna know their thoughts.

That intense moment with Norman and Ray though... The dramatic music increases. Ray has this grin on his face while Norman remains in the room with a nervous look on his face. Then, Norman suddenly covers his mouth in shock and the smile from Ray's face drops. Gah, this anime is so good with its suspense!

But, bruh, they should've just told Don and Gilda that Conny's dead. What if the "mom" catches them?!

Hate to say it, but I empathize with Ray most of all. He's just right. I'm curious though.. why do none of the plans involve killing mom? Seems like it wouldn't be too hard (have one of the real young kids serve her poisoned tea?) and then they could just go without being immediately chased. I guess they'd have to get the sister now too but it would solve a lot of their problems including explaining to the others why they have to leave. maybe I'm too cynical but I thought someone would've come up with it

oh i suspected that, thank you! I'm starting to wonder if i have to read the manga or at least give a try

Okay now this is some damn impressive mind work by both Ray and Norman, but because of that I feel like now I can't really trust Ray, even Norman to an extent, DAMN.

Also the scene where Ray exits the room both Norman and Ray start to realize something right, what was that?

Also the nightmare scene was pretty gruesome.

I do understand what Don's going through, they are children anyway.

I think you should definitely do so! It's really a great read with more details than the anime, and it's really fun to read even if you're not used to read manga!

genuinely wasn't expecting Ray, his character has a good dynamic to it

the episodes seem to go really fast, it was over before i knew it!

also don and guila are 100% gonna die lol

pretty good series so far, hope it keeps up this way

This is real dull. Entire episodes of uninteresting dialogue and cliffhangers like "who opened the door?" Pretty close to dropping.

So ray really was the spy all along. Norman’s plan to draw him out was pretty clever. It looks like Ray is still on their side at least so that’s good.

Don and Gilda are pretty dumb trying to get in that secret room all on their own, knowing mom could find them at any time. Sadly this one ends on a cliffhanger. So there’s no way of knowing who walked in on them. My guess is one of the kids, could be wrong though

great atmosphere, my heart and breath like stoped

I'm really enjoying this show so far, but I have so many questions that I'm worried won't get answered, since there are only going to be twelve episodes (not accounting for more seasons down the line).

It's been shown that there are some infants that come to the house, so what happens to them, since they're too young to take the test? Are most of them shipped out almost as soon as they get there, or do they have other types of tests to determine which ones get to stay and grow older, and which are shipped out almost immediately?

They said that the more mature the brain is, the better it tastes (which is still hypothetical at this point, but anyway...) but why are the oldest ones only twelve? Do they stop tasting good when they hit puberty?

Obviously not everyone is killed, since Mama and Sister Krone were allowed to survive to adulthood. How did they get to do that, when so many kids are killed?

And finally, if there are houses like that for children, does that mean there are also like...breeding facilities? The kids have to come from somewhere, so I assume there are parents out there giving birth to more children to keep the houses stocked.

Man that episode was a whole load of meh. In still not massively feeling this series yet.

Anyone else watching every episode waiting for a jump scare to happen? XD

also im willing to bet Norman is planing to sacrifice himself for everyone :c....well mostly for Emma.

Damn Ray's more twisted than I was expecting. All his evil grinning when he told Norman how he plotted stuff. But that's probably from years of knowing the truth and having to hide everything. I wonder how he first found out? Maybe he tried to escape with some kids years ago and it failed spectacularly, which is why he's so willing to ditch the others. Maybe he wasn't even the first kid to discover the truth and was just the only survivor of that event.

Don's gonna get him (and maybe Gilda) killed. He can't act rational and Norman lying about Connie being alive only made it worse.

Felt like only 10 minutes. Anyway I doubt that's Mama at the end. The question is if it's one of the main trio, one of the other kids, or Krone.

As a manga reader who actually likes this adaptation, Norman's nightmare flanderized him a bit.
Besides that, I won't complain.

RAY BEST BOOOOOOOOOOI

Also Don is gonna mess everything up now won't he?

I didn't thought that this anime deserved all the praises it got, for me it was a good anime but not a masterpiece... that is before I watched this episode

The anime would deserves more than that, but thanks to the lousy director the anime sank, and left aside everything that made the manga so good.

Yeah I saw a lot of ppl complaining about the fact that the manga was way better but I think the animation is pretty good so far (eventhough the weird faces). So idk maybe it's because of the story and then I don't really have an opinion since I didn't read the manga...

from what I remember, Norman said other things to Emma too, like where he hid the rope, not only to Ray, and also

And I think Ray explain more about being a spy in the manga! anime skip it again.. Norman's dream in manga is more terrifying than the anime .. (for me)


And the scene of this in the manga . I wait to see it on anime, but I like the manga version of it! (Emma is more scary here) huhuhu sorry I keep on comparing it :( but .. I'm expecting too much :/