Context: So I'm about to teach someone how to write the English alphabet, and the supplementary book displays the stroke orders and directions for each letter. Most of them seem pretty standard, but there are some recommended stroke orders that I don't follow and they just straight up seem inefficient. That got me wondering: how do most people write their letters? So if you have the time, can you mimic on https://sketchtoy.com/ how YOU usually write the capital letters: A, G, H, J, K, M, N, W, and Y? For maximum fun, add also how you draw a standard star ★ This is basically a very casual survey. Another thing: it'd be really nice if you could include the country where you grew up in (basically where you've written the English alphabet the most). I'll start. Country: USA http://sketchtoy.com/68865777 |
iunneJan 30, 2019 11:21 PM
  but you can become stronger... ...でもつよくなれるよ |
| I'm left-handed, so I my stroke order is a little different than that picture, but most are the same. Also, when I write the letter Y, I draw the bottom stem first. |
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| http://sketchtoy.com/68865783 canadaa |
Seiya said: Oh interesting, so just to confirm you write M and N with 4 separate strokes and 3 separate strokes respectively? Starting from outside to inner? And for Y, you also use 3 strokes?I'm left-handed, so I my stroke order is a little different than that picture, but most are the same. Also, when I write the letter Y, I draw the bottom stem first. |
but you can become stronger... ...でもつよくなれるよ |
iunne said: Seiya said: Oh interesting, so just to confirm you write M and N with 4 separate strokes and 3 separate strokes respectively? Starting from outside to inner? And for Y, you also use 3 strokes?I'm left-handed, so I my stroke order is a little different than that picture, but most are the same. Also, when I write the letter Y, I draw the bottom stem first. Actually, when I write M and N, I never lift the pencil off the paper, I write them in one glide, starting from the bottom left. I use 3 strokes for Y though. |
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| I hope I'm not a freak, but here you go: https://sketchtoy.com/68865808 And I was born and raised in the U.S. |
Nithirel said: I hope I'm not a freak, but here you go: https://sketchtoy.com/68865808 And I was born and raised in the U.S. LOL OMG you draw your star with 2 strokes... freak. lol jk (half jk) |
but you can become stronger... ...でもつよくなれるよ |
| https://sketchtoy.com/68865824 South Carolina, USA. Looking at it, I'm surprised how differently I do M and W. Edit: The way you do your Y is how I do it for lower case. Also only did the letters I do differently than the sample image. |
AnimeAdamOPJan 30, 2019 10:44 PM
| Im from Mexico Though i couldn't recreate exactly my handwriting with the mouse, but u get the idea. http://sketchtoy.com/68865828 |
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AnimeAdamOP said: https://sketchtoy.com/68865824 South Carolina, USA. Looking at it, I'm surprised how differently I do M and W. Edit: The way you do your Y is how I do it for lower case. Also only did the letters I do differently than the sample image. I respect your M and N. I feel like that takes real dedication lool NothingFound said: Im from Mexico Though i couldn't recreate exactly my handwriting with the mouse, but u get the idea. http://sketchtoy.com/68865828 is that a lowercase g between the G and H? |
but you can become stronger... ...でもつよくなれるよ |
Yep i thought it'd be interesting to show it cuz people that see my notes always ask me how do i make these "gs" edit: oh but i just realized it was all about stroke order, guess it was just weird sorry |
NothingFoundJan 30, 2019 11:19 PM
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| Some of the orderings in the book seem so strange to me. I'm from the U.S. The X, for example- I do the second stroke from the bottom left up Anyway, don't judge my handwriting skills with this high DPI mouse lmao: http://sketchtoy.com/68865834 |
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| I'm left handed and most of mine are different, The only ones that are the same are the ones with one or two strokes. That W and M is just weird. |
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| Fuck you all. I stroke how I wanna stroke... with a mouse. One handed... http://sketchtoy.com/68865847 |
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| You mean latin alphabet in general? Because the standards are pretty much the same for every language based on the latin alphabet aren't they? Anyway I'm from Poland: http://sketchtoy.com/68865852 I'd say the order you posted from the book is simply wrong for letters like H, M or W, I wouldn't follow those instructions. Just teach the person the way that feels natural. |
fuyukiJan 31, 2019 12:36 AM
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NothingFound said: Yep i thought it'd be interesting to show it cuz people that see my notes always ask me how do i make these "gs" edit: oh but i just realized it was all about stroke order, guess it was just weird sorry wow that looks nothing like most "gs" I see lol. is it just you, or is it common throughout Mexico? Soverign said: Fuck you all. I stroke how I wanna stroke... with a mouse. One handed... http://sketchtoy.com/68865847 yo that's not even how you spell "sovereign" though LOL EDIT: omg sorry didn't notice your name fuyuki said: You mean latin alphabet in general? Because the standards are pretty much the same for every language based on the latin alphabet aren't they? Anyway I'm from Poland: http://sketchtoy.com/68865852 I'd say the order you posted from the book is simply wrong for letters like H, M or W, I wouldn't follow those instructions. Just teach the person the way that feels natural. Yeah, the stroke orders for M and W seem "wrong" (although someone who replied on this forum did actually write M in the same order as the book's). I personally write H from left to right, but like half the people here wrote the vertical lines first before the horizontal. And then there's you, who writes it with 1 stroke xD |
but you can become stronger... ...でもつよくなれるよ |
iunne said: H is a weird one because I often see people writing it in different ways and I also write it from left to right with more strokes sometimes, although I never thought some people also write vertical lines first. Anyway if I recall correctly the way of writing with one stroke is the one I was taught in the kindergarten. Also now I remembered that when I was learning how to write, I was focusing on more 'handwritten' type of letters. Here's some kindergarten letters chart similar to the one I was using: fuyuki said: You mean latin alphabet in general? Because the standards are pretty much the same for every language based on the latin alphabet aren't they? Anyway I'm from Poland: http://sketchtoy.com/68865852 I'd say the order you posted from the book is simply wrong for letters like H, M or W, I wouldn't follow those instructions. Just teach the person the way that feels natural. Yeah, the stroke orders for M and W seem "wrong" (although someone who replied on this forum did actually write M in the same order as the book's). I personally write H from left to right, but like half the people here wrote the vertical lines first before the horizontal. And then there's you, who writes it with 1 stroke xD  Actually it makes me curious now, do people in other countries also write the small 's' like this? (Also there's no stroke order so that the kid can learn naturally. Some do include a recommendable order, but some don't. Depends on a version. I believe the one I was using had stroke order.) |
fuyukiJan 31, 2019 2:50 AM
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| http://sketchtoy.com/68865880 That's it. |
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| It depends if I am going for speed or neatness or calligraphy. I will leave calligraphy out because it's been so long since I did it and it's more complicated and differs by font but in general it goes top to bottom, left to right any left motions even on an O, and Q is kept to a minimum which increases stroke count. My A: ↗↘➡ (2 strokes) My A2: ↙↘➡ (3 strokes) My G: 🔄➡ (2 strokes) My G2: 🔄⬅ (1 stroke) rarely used My H: ⬇⬇➡ (3 strokes) My J: ➡⬆➡ (2 strokes) I do the T at top last My K: ⬇↙↘ (2 strokes) My K2: ⬇↙↘ (3 strokes) My M: ↗↘↗↘ (1 stroke) My M2: ⬇↘↙⬇ (4 strokes) My N: ⬆↘⬆ (1 stroke) My N2: ⬇↘⬆ (3 strokes) My W: ↘↗↘↗ (1 stroke) My W2: ⬇↙↘⬇ (4 strokes) My Y: ↘↙⬇ (3 strokes) My Y2: ↘↙ (2 strokes) angled y rarely used My D: ⬇⬆⬇⬆(many strokes) |
| i don't usually write anything in capitals so i think my stroke order is incredibly "by the book" or standard, if you will. in any case: https://sketchtoy.com/68865893 - my handwriting is atrocious on a mouse sadly... country: south africa |
| Messy af because I did this with a trackpad, but http://sketchtoy.com/68865902 American, btw. |
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fuyuki said: Actually it makes me curious now, do people in other countries also write the small 's' like this? No definitely not, the usual lowercase "s" is a half-sized capital S. The "s" you were taught to write looks like a mini J rotated 45 degrees lol. Vorpality said: Messy af because I did this with a trackpad, but http://sketchtoy.com/68865902 American, btw. The way you write K is definitely nonstandard, but hold up—is the hook on your G vertical?? Or is that just cause of the trackpad lol |
but you can become stronger... ...でもつよくなれるよ |
| I'm weird and write all of my letters from bottom to top instead of top to bottom. Teachers would scold me about it when I was in elementary school, but it's a habit I never grew out of because I find it more comfortable to write that way. |
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| USA https://sketchtoy.com/68866031 My W's and N's are a little more rounded than that when I handwrite them. |
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| http://sketchtoy.com/68866033 Good enough, don't feel like doing every letter. |
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iunne said: Nithirel said: I hope I'm not a freak, but here you go: https://sketchtoy.com/68865808 And I was born and raised in the U.S. LOL OMG you draw your star with 2 strokes... freak. lol jk (half jk) Ngl, I'm pretty sure that was due to my brain turning off for a split second and forgetting how to even draw a star, fml. |
Usagi said: I'm weird and write all of my letters from bottom to top instead of top to bottom. Teachers would scold me about it when I was in elementary school, but it's a habit I never grew out of because I find it more comfortable to write that way. I do both directions for some letters depending. |
| https://sketchtoy.com/68866365 It is difficult to do this with a mouse. |
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| http://sketchtoy.com/68866377 Netherlands, Europe here (Yeah I gave the star the colors of my country's flag cause idk) |
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Kuroko-chan said: I can't believe my whole life was a lie, I was writing the alphabet in the wrong order all this time. Jokes aside now, do people really care about this? Well it depends on your definition of "care." B) Does this knowledge/awareness make a practical difference in our lives? No, probably not, but neither do discussions about whether an objective reality exists or discussions regarding Pokemon conspiracy theories. I still find both interesting, however. Nothing inherently wrong with pursuing a little curiosity for curiosity's sake :9 I apologize if your question was rhetorical. but it didn't seem like it would be since I couldn't think of a reason why you'd post it if so but if it actually was sorry for wasting your time Also, stroke order and direction is incredibly important and emphasized in Mandarin. My parents would (figuratively) slap me silly if I wrote 口 with 1 or 2 strokes instead of 3. Luckily no one really gives a shit for English. Ranacchi said: http://sketchtoy.com/68866377 Netherlands, Europe here (Yeah I gave the star the colors of my country's flag cause idk) thank you for that lovely star. I find it interesting that you pointed the tail down O_O I don't think I've ever drawn a shooting star that wasn't "falling"... |
but you can become stronger... ...でもつよくなれるよ |
| All the ones in your image go from top to bottom, I write mine from bottom to top. That's the biggest difference I can think of. |
Kuroko-chan said: I know the thing with Mandarin, but I never knew that the English *actually latin not English* alphabet have that stroke order. I thought about whether to say Latin or English alphabet for the title of the discussion, but the wiki page referred to the A-Z 26-letter alphabet as the English alphabet. The classical Latin alphabet doesn't have J, U, or W (according to the Wiki page). Honestly though, I'm not really sure what the technical differences are. Yeah I wasn't aware there was even a stroke order for the English alphabet either lol. I remember getting drilled for it when learning Mandarin, but not English. |
but you can become stronger... ...でもつよくなれるよ |
| I think that I write write in a pretty standard way, though I'm surprised by how the stroke chart writes N and M... don't remember being taught to write it that way. http://sketchtoy.com/68867303 |
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