| OK, so far we had 3 eps and that amount of bullshit/terrible writing deserves its own thread, no kidding. I'm lazy so I'll only post some bs from episode 3, spoiler ahead. I've posted some examples only from episode 3. This writing actually doesn't make sense from the beginning. TBH, I'm almost impressed by all of this. I never thought you could write so bad and get away with it. I mean, this is apparently #1 show this season. Update! I've posted some quote that appears to be on point. Ariavartan said: I must say- the show is full of plot holes. Two big ones I can't even pretend to not exist -The whole Naofumi not being able to use any other weapon is a pretty giant one considering we have seen many times using stuff that can be used offensively, like the pickass in 2 and maze in 3. What does it really mean by not being able to wield any other weapon? That he can't wield it while intenting it to be used for killng? Or just any weapon that can be used offensively? -I spoilered myself and got to know how she grew however that leads to another plot hole-how did her parents who must be at very high level lose against a dog when she was shown to mow down entire armies her self? Can demi humans grow up normally without leveling too? Your thoughts? |
Kamiyan3991Jan 24, 2019 11:50 PM
| I agree but there are still 22 more episodes so we'll see if it will make more sense if that's even possible. There's also been some foreshadowing of this all being his destiny which makes it the most boring isekai world I have seen yet |
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| the whole isekai things is a mistake, start from SAO if that's what you mean |
| 1. The show should explain why Raphtalia turns into a teenager in the span of a week. 2. There's no law in that country that states that everyone has to be mean/bully demihumans. There are decent people who treat her kindly, see; weapon/armorsmith bro. 3. Eh, it makes fairly decent sense to me, that a giant magical hourglass that's able to accurately tell how much time between each wave takes place, would be able to teleport the heroes and co. close to where the wave will spawn. 4. This is really the only valid complaint that I can't explain, other than the possibility of her claiming to no longer being afraid of him. 5. Yeah, the animation was a bit bad when it came down to the fight. 5A. You do realize that Naofumi is literally the most hated man in the country at that point, and he is accompanied by a demihuman. And the captain is depicted as being just as prejudice towards demihumans as he is towards Naofumi. |
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Kamiyan3991 said: OK, so far we had 3 eps and that amount of bullshit/terrible writing deserves its own thread, no kidding. I'm lazy so I'll only post some bs from episode 3, spoiler ahead. I've posted some examples only from episode 3. This writing actually doesn't make sense from the beginning. TBH, I'm almost impressed by all of this. I never thought you could write so bad and get away with it. I mean, this is apparently #1 show this season. Your thoughts? 1- if u could just w8 till fucking next episode u could get ur fcking answer! demi humans age by when they lvl up thats why ppl r afraid of them+etc explanation 2,3-again future spoiler will explain that too! 4-again in next episode u see that goddamn rape victim is the princess of the country! and no one dares to talk against her and ppl work for her + more information in the future 5-again w8 till ep 6-7 to find ur fucking answer some times i wonder why spoiled kids like u even watch mystery based anime if u just want the whole story to be clear from the beginning just go watch some idol anime! |
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I didn't even mean the animation. It was just poorly directed. And they literally don't give a damn about people in the country. Wtf? It's more about common sense. I mean, it looks like this world is actually revolving around heroes (build-in mechanics and whatnot). |
Kamiyan3991 said: All that will be explained later on when the two regal characters from the OP show up. Which should be somewhere during the second cour, if they keep with the pace of 4 episodes per book.I didn't even mean the animation. It was just poorly directed. And they literally don't give a damn about people in the country. Wtf? It's more about common sense. I mean, it looks like this world is actually revolving around heroes (build-in mechanics and whatnot). |
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midwiferuler said: 1-yeah what is gonna happen her at level 60? is she become old? That's not how it works. She's similar to a monster. With levels she grows to match her ability. Once she peaks in physical maturity she will stop growing. Kamiyan3991 said: 1) Our loli turned into an adult in a few days, and her character changed completely... just like that. 2) Okay, so apparently everybody loves our adult loli now... except they were supposed to hate/bully demihumans... dafuq is this? 3) In all honestly, this doesn't look like some generic fantasy world. This does look like some world that's supposed to be saved by 4 heroes from the very beginning. They even have some convenient machine that teleports them straight into the battle. TBH, this is probably the dumbest idea I ever saw. 4) So, our "rape victim" is very aggresive/dominant towards our hero, and nobody thinks that's strange af. Actually, do things like that even happen IRL? 5) The battle in the village is just ridiculous. These zombies go AFK every time they're about to kill someone. Huh? What is this? Some PG-5 anime? And what's wrong with the knights? They don't hesitate just to bomb people like that? Oh brother... I've posted some examples only from episode 3. This writing actually doesn't make sense from the beginning. TBH, I'm almost impressed by all of this. I never thought you could write so bad and get away with it. I mean, this is apparently #1 show this season. 1.) It's been more like two weeks, and next episode literally explains why she grows so much over that span. Raphtalia wasn't always a slave. What you see now is Raphtalias true personality after Naofumi spent time rehabilitating her. She's more outspoken because she trusts him to that degree. She can be herself around him. One of the main reasons she was so docile in the first two episodes was because her previous masters would beat her if she ever seemed happy or if she spoke out about anything. Naofumi would never do that to her, so she feels comfortable being herself. She still has moments of weakness as can be seen by the end of this episode where she cries, so her trauma is still there; she can just better cope with it now because Naofumi is there to support her. 2.) Just because a country treats demi-humans like shit, it doesn't mean everyone has that same level of prejudice against them. The hammer smith was always nice to her and we don't know the specifics about the other people. They think she's a really cute girl who seems nice. Obviously the ones without a distinct bias against demi-humans will give her preferential treatment. Also prejudice is a preconceived opinion about someone. Once people truly got to know Raphtalia, they would have little reason to hate her. Both Malty and the guards reminded us that demi-humans have a low standing in Meltromarc based on how they acted around her, but it doesn't stop the civilians from having a different opinion after spending some quality time around her. 3.) It's an isekai who cares how the heroes got from point A to point B. The premise is different and it's good enough to start the journey. Much of this anime is a revenge story, and that's different from your typical Isekai. Also giving the main character a shield who is unable to use other weapons is a pretty cool concept that hasn't been used before from my recollection. 4.) She trusts him, why not? Also she was abused by previous masters, it doesn't make her a rape victim. Another thing to remember is with physical growth comes enhanced cognitive ability. She's still has the experience of a 10 year old, but she has the brain of an adult. 5.) This is really the only thing I can agree with. As for the knights, you will have to wait and see for that. 5a.) That said, I love the series and think it's a faithful adaptation that deserves its current score. |
KilluanJan 24, 2019 8:54 AM
Nope lol. It just feels too illogical/forced atm. And this is actually bad writing. Compare it to series like Boogiepop. You know pretty much nothing but it doesn't look stupid. MlookSM said: .What drive me out of my mind is the absolute of Garbage idiots the characters are, Like seriously why can't anyone there acts like a normal being? Other things are little flaws to me. Fair point. |
midwiferuler said: thank you and finally how can I read LNs online? (I know wrong place to ask) It's lagging behind the Japanese release. They're up to volume 20. I wouldn't rcommend spoiling yourself but if it's too much to bare then here you go. http://www.vn-meido.com/k1/index.php?topic=1623.0 I'd personally watch an episode of this anime, and then read the manga/LN in conjunction with that episode. The anime has been pretty faithful but it does leave out some scenes. Next episode is going to be a really strong one. You'll still like it animated even if you spoiler yourself, but the suspense will make it even better. |
KilluanJan 24, 2019 9:17 AM
| Completely agree. Let's not forget about the very frightening CGI bees. |
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| How can you conclude it's bad writing when there's only 3 episodes released so far? Obviously you have the right to state your opinion and no one's saying you're wrong. There are some flaws like with the fight scene being a bit anti-climatic, but writing it out as bad writing simply because you don't have the answers you seek for which haven't been provided yet because the anime JUST started is ridiculous. Writing is very subjective. |
| I mean it's not bad writing just because not every little detail is explained right away. A lot of things will be explained in due time. |
My Queens  |
| Just a LN reader popping in here to remind that just because something "gets explained" doesn't mean it's not total BS. I agree with the OP. |
As for OP, a lot of your questions will literally be answered NEP, if you cant take slow world building then just skip and binge it when its all over, Jesus people wants all the answers on a single ep. |
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-Stray said: As for OP, a lot of your questions will literally be answered NEP, if you cant take slow world building then just skip and binge it when its all over, Jesus people wants all the answers on a single ep. Oh, didn't really think of that. Kinda unfortunate since I was really digging the character design for this version of raph. |
| Geez, the span of some people's patience is the length of a gnat. The only point I agree with the OP is #5 where the enemies (and the villagers who were fighting against them) were standing still as if it's some turn-based JRPG. |
| while there's a lot I agree with here, especially the point about the animation in the battle, I'm hoping the series explains things better in the future. I think this show is enjoyable despite its flaws so far. |
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| I must say- the show is full of plot holes. Two big ones I can't even pretend to not exist -The whole Naofumi not being able to use any other weapon is a pretty giant one considering we have seen many times using stuff that can be used offensively, like the pickass in 2 and maze in 3. What does it really mean by not being able to wield any other weapon? That he can't wield it while intenting it to be used for killng? Or just any weapon that can be used offensively? -I spoilered myself and got to know how she grew however that leads to another plot hole-how did her parents who must be at very high level lose against a dog when she was shown to mow down entire armies her self? Can demi humans grow up normally without leveling too? |
ACornelis said: Completely agree. Let's not forget about the very frightening CGI bees. Oh yeah, that was actually hilarious. sunimi__ said: How can you conclude it's bad writing when there's only 3 episodes released so far? That's actually quite simple, duh. Good writing won't leave you under impression that the plot is forced/illogical and characters don't act like normal people. For now, you don't even have hints, and I bet some #infodump is coming. NthDegree said: Just a LN reader popping in here to remind that just because something "gets explained" doesn't mean it's not total BS. That's exactly what I expect tbh. |
| 1- People change when they grow up. 2- Yes, dude, EVERY SINGLE PERSON hates the demi human. Fuck individuality, everyone must hate them! Never mind the fact the blacksmith from episode 2 already debunked your point. 3- Apparently you finding something dumb constitute bad writing. You learn new things every day. 4- Let's conveniently forget the part she is surrounded by 3 heroes who can protect her if her "rapist" ever decides to jump her. 5- Not sure what you mean about the zombies but the knights not caring about the villagers isn't bad writing. You are expecting everyone to be good guys? lmao 6- What the fuck is "normal human being" |
| How much time actually passed since he picked up Raphtalia? I was under the impression that we got a time lapse/brief time skip. |
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| Interesting discussion, I actually were blown away by the high quality of pacing and story telling in these three episodes. Just really fascinated that we had polar opposites opinions on the writing in this series. |
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Only_Brad said: 4- Let's conveniently forget the part she is surrounded by 3 heroes who can protect her if her "rapist" ever decides to jump her. That doesn't change anything though. Makes no sense to drop the act. -Mahesvara said: I mean it's not bad writing just because not every little detail is explained right away. A lot of things will be explained in due time. Do you actually know what "writing" means tho? The plot seems forced at this point. You could compare it to the second arc of Buta Yarou ("fake girlfriend"). |
MC, for an instance. He literally changed his character within few hours, and nope, that's not normal. Re:Zero actually did a good job with that, since Subaru went through a lot to change just a little bit. I mean, my example was actually pretty bad but ReZero still did that much better. Here you have just plot that forced MC to change in an instant. I referred to this specifically, since it's writing-related. I don't want to talk about character reactions, since that would take forever to explain. |
Kamiyan3991 said: It doesn't appear you know what bad or good writing means, if your accusing a series to have bad writing after 3 episodes in a 25 episode run, because its not spoon feeding you all the information you demand to know right away, so don't try to lecture me. It's like a child crying for desert before eating dinner.Only_Brad said: 4- Let's conveniently forget the part she is surrounded by 3 heroes who can protect her if her "rapist" ever decides to jump her. That doesn't change anything though. Makes no sense to drop the act. -Mahesvara said: I mean it's not bad writing just because not every little detail is explained right away. A lot of things will be explained in due time. Do you actually know what "writing" means tho? The plot seems forced at this point. You could compare it to the second arc of Buta Yarou ("fake girlfriend"). |
My Queens |
-Mahesvara said: because its not spoon feeding you all the information you demand to know right away But that's not the point. I advise you to improve your reading comprehension, or to not respond at all. check -> #33 -> mid |
Kamiyan3991 said: Not really when half your points listed(1-3) are part of this...-Mahesvara said: because its not spoon feeding you all the information you demand to know right away But that's not the point. I advise you to improve your reading comprehension, or to not respond at all. check -> #33 -> mid |
My Queens |
| "playing into isekai tropes" lmao, its just generic my boys, start packing your bags now agreed 100% op, no character development in lieu of action and most importantly the story omits information that should be explained as we question it that will likely lead into a barrage of "explanations" that are really just gravel trying to fill the sinkhole that is this anime |
Kamiyan3991 said: OK, so far we had 3 eps and that amount of bullshit/terrible writing deserves its own thread, no kidding. I'm lazy so I'll only post some bs from episode 3, spoiler ahead. I've posted some examples only from episode 3. This writing actually doesn't make sense from the beginning. TBH, I'm almost impressed by all of this. I never thought you could write so bad and get away with it. I mean, this is apparently #1 show this season. Your thoughts? You seriously missed the whole point of the anime the writing is not bad you are just stupid its showing a darker side to humans so why would they "act" like humans. You seem to think all human's are nice or something. The Loli's character did not change and not everyone likes her ? |
Kamiyan3991 said: NthDegree said: Just a LN reader popping in here to remind that just because something "gets explained" doesn't mean it's not total BS. That's exactly what I expect tbh. Kamiyan3991 said: Nope lol. It just feels too illogical/forced atm. And this is actually bad writing. Kamiyan3991 said: MlookSM said: .What drive me out of my mind is the absolute of Garbage idiots the characters are, Like seriously why can't anyone there acts like a normal being? Other things are little flaws to me. Fair point. Kamiyan3991 said: Only_Brad said: 4- Let's conveniently forget the part she is surrounded by 3 heroes who can protect her if her "rapist" ever decides to jump her. That doesn't change anything though. Makes no sense to drop the act. OP what exactly are you trying to prove with this thread? It's like you're just looking to validate your own opinions while handwaving away any counterargument with the classic "nah it's still bad writing lol." What are you looking for apart from a circlejerk? |
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Kamiyan3991 said: WTF is this whiny shit?OK, so far we had 3 eps and that amount of bullshit/terrible writing deserves its own thread, no kidding. I'm lazy so I'll only post some bs from episode 3, spoiler ahead. I've posted some examples only from episode 3. This writing actually doesn't make sense from the beginning. TBH, I'm almost impressed by all of this. I never thought you could write so bad and get away with it. I mean, this is apparently #1 show this season. Your thoughts? You want everything spoonfed to you so you don't have to think and figure everything out for yourself? Not every studio has a bloated budget to spend on animation btw so enough about the animation. I swear MAL should give us the option to rate discussion threads posted by members so lowly voted discussions like this troll post end up getting closed. |
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