Monogatari Series: First Season
| I made another post asking for recommendations of shows with good tsundere characters as well as asking who their best tsundere was, and a lot of people said senjougahara was their favourite tsundere but some people also said they don't see her as a tsundere because she's straightforward about her feelings and speaks her mind very clearly and often so what are your thoughts on this very important global discussion |
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| I'm a bit torn when it comes to this. She does have some tsundere-like characteristics, but since tsundere is defined as someone dishonest to their true feelings, I also feel like she does not quite fit tsundere archetype. She can be mildly abusive, but she is also pretty direct, and doesn't hide her feelings with this abusiveness. Therefore I feel that she doesn't qualify as tsundere. |
| Not a tsundere, she's just a bit of a cunt. |
 She smiled sweeter than Crème Brûlée |
| A bit cold-hearted but no, I don't think we can consider her as a tsundere |
Unikkatil said: From what I see she seems like sadism ^This. I thought she was a sadodere. She seems to enjoy toying with Araragi's emotions rather than pretending to not have feelings for him. |
| Nope. Admitting to be a tsundere is guaranteed you're not a tsundere in the first place. |
  Once we realize it, everything will fall into place Our hearts calling to the future with all their might We'll move forward, holding each other's shaking hands |
| I have only seen bakemonogatari, but to me it seemed like she was just a sadist. I bet she is a dominatrix. |
| No. Fuck no. Tsundere, for me, to begin with, is just a stage in a woman's life. They evolve from that. Senjougahara hasn't been and isn't in a tsundere phase. She is just playful with her emotions but wears them on her sleeve along with sharp objects. Don't fucking pit her in that lowly characterization. Senjougahara is true love. |
| Closer. |
| She roleplays as one from time to time, just to tease Koyomi, but no she's not a tsundere. |
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| She is a superb character to be called "tsundere". |
 "というわけで。待望の、体 操 服！ でっあ～る。祭りであれば、余も着飾ってはいられぬと用意したが……うむ！ 心身ともに軽くなったようだ。どうだ？ 似合っているであろう、マスター？" - Random Quote From Internet by Saber Nero |
ZaBici said: ...along with sharp objects. Well... to be fair. From what I got from Monogatari so far, the attacks with sharp objects against Koyomi - seen through Koyomi's lens and retrospection - it might be just her being that type of teeny who likes to prick and tease others (especially your crush) with sharpened pencils, pins and the angles of a ruler. In the scenes she's attacking Koyomi he might just overexaggerate what happened in reality - like he always does... ;) If we look at her in story arcs where Koyomi isn't the narrator she appears extremely different from that - like this one highly childish and ridiculous meeting with Kaiki at the airport cafe - that is told from his point of view. It appears that it is mostly Koyomi who sees those tsundere aspects in her - but it's not exatly clear to me if her later shown character is soley because of a different narrator - it might also just be her growing out of this 'phase'. Since I haven't read the novels I can only guess when it comes down to this details. On topic I guess I would chime in with most here; she ACTS like a tsundere from time to time - but to be honest; I'm actually not sure if I would even tack such plain anime tropes onto a piece of art like Monogatari. (Ah! Ah! See what I did there? 'tack'. stable stapler???) |
WaveshaperFeb 16, 2019 9:19 PM
| i think half the point of the show is to not have characters that easy fit boxes like that, she is hard to characterize as she doesn't fit any one stereotype, and that's completely intentional. They even joke about it in the show. I would forgive someone for calling her a tsundere but I would say she definitely is not |
jeremy24tyler said: i think half the point of the show is to not have characters that easy fit boxes like that... I would argue that this is because the characters on Monogatari are - contrary to usual anime characters - actually rather realistic and believeable. They are more like REAL teens with their problems, fears and their struggle of coming of age. What makes them different to most other characters is the fact that it's more likely to find them portrayed as stereotypes with different levels of character depth depending on the specific anime. That per se isn't a bad thing - because that's how most fictional entities are protrayed in media - and for pretty simple reasons so. Since there rarely is time enough to introduce every single character with all its attributes, making use of stereotypes and tropes makes sure that you don't have to tell every single detail and the viewer can fill in the blank spaces, drawing his own experiences from those stereotypes known in real life. Manga & Anime make more use of this concept than western media and literature - most likely coming from the origin of japanese story telling and theatre art forms - but let's not dig into this. Monogatari surely uses many manga/anime tropes as well, but it's cast is rather unusual for this medium - they actually feel like real people without falling too easily into steretypical categories. I would guess that's just something the common viewer might miss, because we're so used to the overly exaggerated anime tropes you'll find basically everywhere. That's also the reason why I personally can't really count Monogatari as an typical anime - I really would rather compare it to the more prominent western literature of the genre, like the catcher in the rye. And while I'm aware there would be quite a few literature critics out there who would behead me for this comparison, that's my take on the series - ESPECIALLY as a big fan of said work of literature... ;) |
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