Sword Art Online (light novel)
| With the overall score dropping, and the most liked reviews being in the 1-3 range, is Alicization going to suffer once again to the hatebase? At this point, why even try? Even at it's best, it can't seem to impress anyone outside its core fans it had back in Season 1. It's obvious that Sword Art Online will come down in anime history as the most hated series to have ever been conceived. May as well save face and just pull the plug on the whole project. |
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Ahegyao said: At this point, why even try? Even at it's best, it can't seem to impress anyone outside its core fans it had back in Season 1. It's obvious that Sword Art Online will come down in anime history as the most hated series to have ever been conceived. May as well save face and just pull the plug on the whole project. Hatred towards SAO is only a thing in non Japanese countries. No one cares about what outsiders think. Who cares about scores in a website and stops a whole project? Not to mention that anything above 7 is pretty great by MAL's standards. So I don't understand why you are talking that the score is low. Spamming 1s and 2s to lower the rating is very common for SAO, and recently many other anime also have it. That is not going to change anything as fake accounts are constantly removed. |
| I dunno, it has the best premise of all seasons so far and it showed potential at the beginning, but what we've gotten during the last couple of episodes seemed like the standard fare, not bad, but not great either. |
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NingFan said: Ahegyao said: With the overall score dropping, and the most liked reviews being in the 1-3 range, is Alicization going to suffer once again to the hatebase? At this point, why even try? Even at it's best, it can't seem to impress anyone outside its core fans it had back in Season 1. It's obvious that Sword Art Online will come down in anime history as the most hated series to have ever been conceived. May as well save face and just pull the plug on the whole project. someone post a link of this topic to me in discord for laugh and he wasn't wrong. had to make a account in MAL just to thanks you, I had a good laugh, Thanks. while I watch SAO i'm not really a fan but I feel bad looking like a troll just posting a thanks comment and leaving, so i give you some info on how the rating works, hope you can understand them better and have a better overall mindset over the ranking in MAL. if Anime X is being followed by 1000 person and 10% of them are haters. then Anime X got 10 haters. now if Anime Y got 100 million person following it and 10% of them are haters, there we go, Anime Y is the most hated anime in history with 10 million haters! SAO is the same. SAO is extremely popular not only in Japan, but in worldwide as well. I just went and check it myself even in MAL which is not really a good place for ranking and score. SAO is ranked 3 at popularity. interestingly enough, the number of people who rate it a score of 1,2 or 3 are only 4.8% of all the scores, you can see it for yourself https://myanimelist.net/anime/11757/Sword_Art_Online/stats I checked the Top Rating in MAL and there is Gintama at Rank 4, I love Gintama, but it only have 82k person rating it that's versus 1 million people rating SAO. you can be 100% sure if there was 1 million people rating Gintama, the score would not stay at 9+ because some people who like it still might rate it 6 or 7 or 8 and it would drop to around 7~8 average. which is not higher than SAO. you should know any +7 score is considered a good score. Neither Gintama nor SAO's score in MAL is not made by the Haters, they are a minority. The score is made by those who enjoy the show but not enough for a 10/10. and gave it a score of 6~10. the score under 5 is just around 10% of the overall. if you feel you see more haters talking about SAO than there should be, that's because there is some very passionate hater that rate a show 1/10. but still feels like following it and hating on it every day. Ok, that was just my 2 cents. I'm back to reddit. I don't frequent MAL so don't expect fast replies from me. All this yet it's not even in the Top 100 list on this website which if you even say you hated any of those, you will be pretty much be an anime pariah. |
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Mattinator95 said: Ahegyao said: All this yet it's not even in the Top 100 list on this website which if you even say you hated any of those, you will be pretty much be an anime pariah. Like this websites standings on a series actually matters to begin with It does when people who don't know any better will use this as a measurement if an anime is good or not. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
| Lol, why don't you stay happy with the fact that their "hate" or elitism won't stop putting money into the pockets of the author. All anime scores on this website are worth the collective wet fart of everyone you disagree with (and agree with). An anime being good or not is upto the individual. I don't consider one piece to be a good anime but it packs a solid 8.54. Does that automatically make it good in my eyes? No. Do I care if One Piece gets a 10? No. |
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Demarcation said: The Truth is, SAO is still bad. I am just speaking from an analytical perspective in terms of plot and characters. Being popular doesn't mean it is good, School Days is somewhat popular is it a good show? SAO has good premises (and it got lot of people into watching anime probably remain "special" in many people's heart") for each season but all ended up poorly executed. Yet when series of the same caliber like Boku no Hero Academia or Fate is being described from your similar "analytical perspective" then you will be treated like you came straight out of a mental institution. Face it. Hating on SAO is the cool thing to do on the internet. It's pretty much an unironic meme. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
Demarcation said: Ahegyao said: Yet when series of the same caliber like Boku no Hero Academia or Fate is being described from your similar "analytical perspective" then you will be treated like you came straight out of a mental institution. Face it. Hating on SAO is the cool thing to do on the internet. It's pretty much an unironic meme. Yes It is popular to hate SAO, I donno what others think, But I don't hate SAO because it is "cool", I simply dislike SAO because I felt it is a poorly executed anime. It really pisses me off that fans defend SAO by saying "people hate it only because others hate it" while the fact is a large number of haters really have legitimate reasons to dislike SAO. I'm pretty much neutral to the series, but you might as well call me a fan because I don't have an irrational hate for it. The SAO hatebase like to think of themselves as the more "mature" taste eaters, but all signs of their "intelligence" is lost when they just act like they're the 1% |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
Demarcation said: Ahegyao said: I'm pretty much neutral to the series, but you might as well call me a fan because I don't have an irrational hate for it. The SAO hatebase like to think of themselves as the more "mature" taste eaters, but all signs of their "intelligence" is lost when they just act like they're the 1% On the other hand I find it really funny that majority of people who defend SAO throw statistics at you to prove how popular its LN is while very very few actually could provide solid analysis of how SAO is good "as an anime". I haven't read LN so can't comment on that but the point is, no matter how popular LN is doesn't change the fact that SAO's anime is a bad adaptation (assuming the LN is good). (And we are talking about SAO the animation in this post right? so funny that some early replies constantly mention how good the LN is.) I don't know about them, but I'm referring to the series in general. The hatebase itself doesn't just stop at the anime. They also shit on the source material. |
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Demarcation said: i don't think you've actually understood the point of this thread nor did you understand the point that those first posts were trying to make . Ahegyao said: I'm pretty much neutral to the series, but you might as well call me a fan because I don't have an irrational hate for it. The SAO hatebase like to think of themselves as the more "mature" taste eaters, but all signs of their "intelligence" is lost when they just act like they're the 1% On the other hand I find it really funny that majority of people who defend SAO throw statistics at you to prove how popular its LN is while very very few actually could provide solid analysis of how SAO is good "as an anime". I haven't read LN so can't comment on that but the point is, no matter how popular LN is doesn't change the fact that SAO's anime is a bad adaptation (assuming the LN is good). (And we are talking about SAO the animation in this post right? so funny that some early replies constantly mention how good the LN is.) They are trying to prove that sao is extremly loved and that the haters are a minority especially in japan where the money come from not that it is good Which makes op's talk about how they should stop making the anime to be some mindless shit And for the people saying that they r recycling the plot .No it never did. Anw s1 and 2 >this season so far |
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Ahegyao said: It does when people who don't know any better will use this as a measurement if an anime is good or not. Seriously man let's just say for second that the MAL score for a show basically 100% dictate how well that show will do or how future members will see it even if that was the case 7/10 isn't a bad score. The lowest SAO has done here on mal if you take out filler ovas is a 7.16 for S02, both the movie and the current season have scores of 8/10, in which word is that considered bad or are you trying to argue that SAO should be amongs the FMAs and monogataris with 8.5 to 9 in that case I really don't know what to say to you. Yes if some newbies decide to get into anime today they might try to avoid SAO because of the vocal haters but that would have nothing to do with its MAL score because by MAL standards it's considered a good show. And on the other hand we can also argue that the SAO haters are actually diminishing because most people are finally realizing that some people hating on it have some good points but that most of them are trying to be cool or making money out of it if you count the youtubers. Back in 2015 all the anitubers and their mothers were making videos hating on SAO. Whereas even today these f**kers digibro and mother basement have realized that no one is going to take their bullsh*t anymore. |
Demarcation said: Pedram said: On the other hand I find it really funny that you just made this account like 1 month ago, then proceed to rate every single original SAO's 25 EP one by one a rating of 1 and then rate the 2nd season and 3rd season 1 and 2 as well :D but that aside, I defend the light novel and the author coz just as @Ahegyao said, the haters normally hate on the whole series as a whole including the author. plus it's a fact that no light novel based anime can ever compare to the long running anime that are created from the manga or original anime that are created specially for the anime media. because the light novel based anime are mainly just a advertisement for the novel. they normally don't care if they are skipping detail or content coz it will just motivate the fans to buy the novels. all these aside, SAO anime is still very popular and have great sales as you can see the ranking for anime in japan also include the SAO anime, the picture of Newtype magazine i gave above is for current anime and you see it on Rank 1. these aside, if you wanna read on why many SAO fan defend the novel to the haters and why most of the haters ( whatever they are resonable or not ) are taken as unreasonable and wrong, read this spoiler bellow, but since this is going off-topic i put it in a spoiler : Because I just recently know this website (I am asian so I was using other websites for anime earlier, I did not create this account just to lower SAO's rating or anything). The main reason why I had 1 for these two seasons is because I feel offended by the fact that they made every other gamer seems dumb except kirito. Also with its kinda discriminatory approach with constant rape scenes. It;s not a bad anime in terms of production quality, but I felt offended watching SAO, the main reason I give it a 1. I don;t listen to mother's basement. But I actually found digibro's analysis on first season pretty valid mostly, you see I don't hate SAO unconditionally, if you could justify it's mistakes I would appreciate it. In fact I did enjoy the first few episodes of SAO:A until they pretty much did everything wrong with first two season again (dull cafe setting, rape scene(I really wonder why they have to have it in every season), time skip, overpowering protagonist,etc). Besides I don't shit on LN and I know it is popular, so I assume that the source material is real good, but I still feel SAO anime is just bad. I really wanna know why so many people give first and second season 8,9 or 10, like not sarcastically want to know, just seriously wondering. And I seriously wonder why you gave it a 1 because your reasons do not justify that low a score. JoyBoy_316 said: Ahegyao said: It does when people who don't know any better will use this as a measurement if an anime is good or not. Seriously man let's just say for second that the MAL score for a show basically 100% dictate how well that show will do or how future members will see it even if that was the case 7/10 isn't a bad score. The lowest SAO has done here on mal if you take out filler ovas is a 7.16 for S02, both the movie and the current season have scores of 8/10, in which word is that considered bad or are you trying to argue that SAO should be amongs the FMAs and monogataris with 8.5 to 9 in that case I really don't know what to say to you. Yes if some newbies decide to get into anime today they might try to avoid SAO because of the vocal haters but that would have nothing to do with its MAL score because by MAL standards it's considered a good show. And on the other hand we can also argue that the SAO haters are actually diminishing because most people are finally realizing that some people hating on it have some good points but that most of them are trying to be cool or making money out of it if you count the youtubers. Back in 2015 all the anitubers and their mothers were making videos hating on SAO. Whereas even today these f**kers digibro and mother basement have realized that no one is going to take their bullsh*t anymore. Like I said before, there are anime on the top list that are of the same quality (Academia, Bunny Girl etc.) yet have higher genuine scores. And anime youtubers are losing viewership for more than just their dumb opinions. Most would rather just listen to virtual youtubers like Kizuna Ai instead of some nasal voiced nerd with his deviantart superimposed on footage. |
AhegyaoJan 16, 2019 1:51 PM
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Ahegyao said: JoyBoy_316 said: Seriously man let's just say for second that the MAL score for a show basically 100% dictate how well that show will do or how future members will see it even if that was the case 7/10 isn't a bad score. The lowest SAO has done here on mal if you take out filler ovas is a 7.16 for S02, both the movie and the current season have scores of 8/10, in which word is that considered bad or are you trying to argue that SAO should be amongs the FMAs and monogataris with 8.5 to 9 in that case I really don't know what to say to you. Yes if some newbies decide to get into anime today they might try to avoid SAO because of the vocal haters but that would have nothing to do with its MAL score because by MAL standards it's considered a good show. And on the other hand we can also argue that the SAO haters are actually diminishing because most people are finally realizing that some people hating on it have some good points but that most of them are trying to be cool or making money out of it if you count the youtubers. Back in 2015 all the anitubers and their mothers were making videos hating on SAO. Whereas even today these f**kers digibro and mother basement have realized that no one is going to take their bullsh*t anymore. Like I said before, there are anime on the top list that are of the same quality (Academia, Bunny Girl etc.) yet have higher genuine scores. And anime youtubers are losing viewership for more than just their dumb opinions. Most would rather just listen to virtual youtubers like Kizuna Ai instead of some nasal voiced nerd with his deviantart superimposed on footage. Yes I agree that both of these shows are really overrated but I doubt heroAca is on the same level as SAO. But I doubt if either of them will stay that high actually, bunny girl just finished airing not even a month ago most of the people who watched it were influenced by the hype surrending it. And heroAca is basically the new naruto/dragon ball it's a gateway anime with so many newbies believing it's the best thing ever of course its score would be high but it too will start to gradually go down at a much slower pace but look at where naruto is at today. And both also actually have quite some vocal haters too, I mean look at the review score drama we have had not so long ago or the crunchyroll award debacle. When it comes to the MAL top 100 everybody is going to have different opignons you don't understand why these two are there when SAO isn't while they seems to be of the same quality to you, and I don't understand why they are there when eva, parasyte, shirobako and perfect blue aren't there when I believe they are of a much better quality |
Demarcation said: wanna know why have you a shit taste. And the anime is good. And you are dumb judging it for rape being op.Pedram said: On the other hand I find it really funny that you just made this account like 1 month ago, then proceed to rate every single original SAO's 25 EP one by one a rating of 1 and then rate the 2nd season and 3rd season 1 and 2 as well :D but that aside, I defend the light novel and the author coz just as @Ahegyao said, the haters normally hate on the whole series as a whole including the author. plus it's a fact that no light novel based anime can ever compare to the long running anime that are created from the manga or original anime that are created specially for the anime media. because the light novel based anime are mainly just a advertisement for the novel. they normally don't care if they are skipping detail or content coz it will just motivate the fans to buy the novels. all these aside, SAO anime is still very popular and have great sales as you can see the ranking for anime in japan also include the SAO anime, the picture of Newtype magazine i gave above is for current anime and you see it on Rank 1. these aside, if you wanna read on why many SAO fan defend the novel to the haters and why most of the haters ( whatever they are resonable or not ) are taken as unreasonable and wrong, read this spoiler bellow, but since this is going off-topic i put it in a spoiler : Because I just recently know this website (I am asian so I was using other websites for anime earlier, I did not create this account just to lower SAO's rating or anything). The main reason why I had 1 for these two seasons is because I feel offended by the fact that they made every other gamer seems dumb except kirito. Also with its kinda discriminatory approach with constant rape scenes. It;s not a bad anime in terms of production quality, but I felt offended watching SAO, the main reason I give it a 1. I don;t listen to mother's basement. But I actually found digibro's analysis on first season pretty valid mostly, you see I don't hate SAO unconditionally, if you could justify it's mistakes I would appreciate it. In fact I did enjoy the first few episodes of SAO:A until they pretty much did everything wrong with first two season again (dull cafe setting, rape scene(I really wonder why they have to have it in every season), time skip, overpowering protagonist,etc). Besides I don't shit on LN and I know it is popular, so I assume that the source material is real good, but I still feel SAO anime is just bad. I really wanna know why so many people give first and second season 8,9 or 10, like not sarcastically want to know, just seriously wondering. |
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Demarcation said: ok. But your post in this thread seems suspicious. Respect opinions not spread the hate.chriskor022 said: wanna know why have you a shit taste. And the anime is good. And you are dumb judging it for rape being op. Never said I dislike SAO simply because it has rape scenes, there are numerous problems in terms of pacing, characters, etc. But let's just leave it like that, I don't like it and you like it, it's OK, I respect your preference. I wouldn't say you have shit taste like you just did. I don't want argue too much over a show I don't like. |
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JudoJD said: Used to like SAO when I got into anime but over time you come to realize how bad it really is "Realised?" Congratulations! You got brainwashed! |
| That thread is completely bizarre. SAO Light Novels still the biggest on the market and the anime continues to be a success in Japan. Outside of it, there's many SAO fans as well in anime and LN material, much like in games and merchandise. No one is going to stop the adaptations. Aniplex, Bandai Namco and Kadokawa are making money with it's different products and the series is very popular so of course we'll continue to see new products from it and of course, new adaptations of the Light Novels. |
caio_brb said: That thread is completely bizarre. SAO Light Novels still the biggest on the market and the anime continues to be a success in Japan. Outside of it, there's many SAO fans as well in anime and LN material, much like in games and merchandise. No one is going to stop the adaptations. Aniplex, Bandai Namco and Kadokawa are making money with it's different products and the series is very popular so of course we'll continue to see new products from it and of course, new adaptations of the Light Novels. But everyone "with taste" keeps shitting on it. Wouldn't the industry want to cater them instead? |
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Demarcation said: Ahegyao said: Yet when series of the same caliber like Boku no Hero Academia or Fate is being described from your similar "analytical perspective" then you will be treated like you came straight out of a mental institution. Face it. Hating on SAO is the cool thing to do on the internet. It's pretty much an unironic meme. Yes It is popular to hate SAO, I donno what others think, But I don't hate SAO because it is "cool", I simply dislike SAO because I felt it is a poorly executed anime. It really pisses me off that fans defend SAO by saying "people hate it only because others hate it" while the fact is a large number of haters really have legitimate reasons to dislike SAO. This last season has been the one better executed so far. If you have legit reasons to dislike SAO, you and all those people should just stop watching it. In regards to SAO, I feel that people turn into really dumb and pitiful persons while seeing it. Stop wasting time of your life in something you are not enjoying, bunch of Masochists. Ahegyao said: caio_brb said: That thread is completely bizarre. SAO Light Novels still the biggest on the market and the anime continues to be a success in Japan. Outside of it, there's many SAO fans as well in anime and LN material, much like in games and merchandise. No one is going to stop the adaptations. Aniplex, Bandai Namco and Kadokawa are making money with it's different products and the series is very popular so of course we'll continue to see new products from it and of course, new adaptations of the Light Novels. But everyone "with taste" keeps shitting on it. Wouldn't the industry want to cater them instead? And here is what is wrong with you, to assume that. Everyone with taste? I could to all of those users lists and rant of their preferences as easily as they could go on mine and do the same, this applies to anyone. Learn this, aside yourself, everyone else has shit taste. What others like doesnt matter, it is what you like that does (you probably have shit taste too, good for you). |
PlaycoolJan 18, 2019 2:54 AM
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| It doesn't matter what the haters says, as long as the fans keep buying the novel and BDs. The series won't die. The more popular the series is, the more haters it have. It's nothing special. I personally can't stand people who still use the same criticism toward SAO years ago now, the series have evolved further. You only make it obvious how ignorant you are. |
Kaiser-chanJan 18, 2019 3:11 AM
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Ahegyao said: caio_brb said: That thread is completely bizarre. SAO Light Novels still the biggest on the market and the anime continues to be a success in Japan. Outside of it, there's many SAO fans as well in anime and LN material, much like in games and merchandise. No one is going to stop the adaptations. Aniplex, Bandai Namco and Kadokawa are making money with it's different products and the series is very popular so of course we'll continue to see new products from it and of course, new adaptations of the Light Novels. But everyone "with taste" keeps shitting on it. Wouldn't the industry want to cater them instead? The industry cares about money, not what people like or not. If there's people paying for SAO which there's many and many in Japan and outside, they'll continue. |
Demarcation said: Playcool said: This last season has been the one better executed so far. If you have legit reasons to dislike SAO, you and all those people should just stop watching it. In regards to SAO, I feel that people turn into really dumb and pitiful persons while seeing it. Stop wasting time of your life in something you are not enjoying, bunch of Masochists. This is the type of argument that I find quite interesting, how do I know I don't like it if I don't try? As you pointed out yourself, this season has been better executed so far and I agree, I had 8 out of 10 for this season for first few episodes (tho It went downhill afterwards) so why can't I try this new season. Or are you making an argument that if the previous seasons are bad the following season is automatically bad? not necessarily true. And as a fact i did drop the season after episode 12...So it's not like I am a masochist or anything My point is that people keep trying it over and over, IF you didnt like S1, does that mean you finished it till the end, then forced yourself doing the same with S2, and now you are forcing yourself again with S3? Sooner or later people would realize the core of the series right, the core doesnt change, if you dont dig what the series is about, you will probably never like it at all, so just drop it already. I have only seen till ep11, so I dunno the reasons some people are saying it is getting worst again. from what I saw, I liked it, and the best is yet to come. Since you have watched this far, you could try to watch a little more, since like I said, the best parts are yet to come. My reccomendation is stop caring about this for now, let more episodes come up, then watch them together. Waiting for each new episode week after week never worked out for me, binging it a bit fares better for me in terms of enjoyment. |
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| Lmao @ the creators having to "save face." SAO is one of the most popular anime/LN series out there, and an anti-SAO circlejerk among Westerners isn't going to have any affect on that. They would have never even gave Alicization the green light if SAO was really as unpopular as you think. |
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JudoJD said: Again....lol I can't belive someone actually typed that I had to come back and check "Brainwashed" See, I can't believe I was part of a fanbase this stupid ohmigod what...SAO fans are on another level of special XD I think I made myself clear. If you enjoyed it when you watched it for the first time, that means the anime did perfectly what it intended to do - Entertainment. The purpose of SAO is to provide entertainment, not to explain the meaning of existence or to dissect the characters and to see what would happen. So it should be seen that way while watching it. I have nothing against people who couldn't enjoy SAO when they watch it for the first time. But you clearly liked it on your first watch, and then changed your opinion based on others statements about "how bad SAO is" |
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