| If you fast forward through the "credits song", at the end of the movie there is a still scene of what I believe is Iorph sometime after Maquia and Leilia returned (judging by the Renato that carried them to freedom). Screenshot: Now that to me is obvious, but the question that bugs me is: "Who is the red haired female in this picture?" Has anyone already answered this? I couldn't not find the answer. Color of her hair might also be orange or brown, but that would still mean she's not of Iorph, or at least she's half breed. My guess is that that female is a child to either Leilia or Maquia. Did Leilia bring her daughter back with her? I doubt that's the case, but it's not impossible, seeing how she didn't really have anyone (as opposed to Ariel having a family, hence Maquia could leave him without worrying). If it's not Leilia's child, that leads me to believe Maquia had another child. But who would be the father? Krim? Doubt it, it would have been blonde child like other Iorph children. Who then? Lang? Or dare I suggest, Ariel? When? Did she get kidnapped and impregnated by some soldiers/bandits, having Krim rescue her from them? Perhaps it's neither of their's child, and it's either a random woman that they allowed in, or a child of another "unfortunate" Iorph victim. But I don't think it's a coincidence they put that red haired female in the shot. I thought maybe it's a 'look at the past' , basically Maquia with her dyed hair, talking to Ariel. But that guy doesn't really seem like Ariel, hair color is also very blonde like other Iorph inhabitants. Either way it's triggering me not knowing xD I would like to hear your thoughts and theories, or even better if it has already been explained. I only watched this movie and that's all I know about this universe, so please do forgive me if I missed something cause of other material. It could be simple, but I'm missing it cause I am a daft goon. Thank you for your help~ |
| I chose to believe it's Leilia's daughter, that is cause she wanted to meet her daughter so much, and the way she left without even saying anything meaningful to her made me really bittersweet as if it completely meant nothing to her. Maybe she somehow reunited to her in the future. x3mslayer said: Did she get kidnapped and impregnated by some soldiers/bandits, having Krim rescue her from them? Didn't Krim say that when a Iorph's hair grow that much it's cause they're pregnant? So I think Maquia was pregnant after all, they wanted a male heir to that prince so maybe that's why. Kinda weird they didn't bring it up later on tho, and she was running around as if everything was just fine with her and wasn't carrying a baby at all. Either way, I still think it's Leilia's. Or maybe one of the Iorph's just happened to marry a human girl. |
| I can see that being the case. Any of those seem possible, I feel like the animators are messing with us ^-^ I recall reading the other forum posts looking for the answer, and someone mentioned that Maquia being pregnant might have been mis-translation or misinterpretation; and the real reason is.. well, simply time made her hair grow without her being able to cut it. Maybe Krim was delusional. I don't really know as the movie didn't touch any more on that. And like you said, she was roughed up after that, doesn't seem like she was worried about the baby in her. In the end, it could be someone else's kid/wife. But I wish I knew more about it :) Thank you for your insight~ Maybe the creators just wanted us to paint the story behind that girl. |
| Thanks for your curiosity, I didn't even notice that there was a red-haired girl in the background! I was low key hoping that it was Medmel (Leilia's daughter). Afterall, she was left there in that castle like a reject/defective product like she originally was. Although, Leilia did mention to her daughter to forget everything about her existence after she regained her freedom. So it's definitely not her. Also after the war, they are no longer hiding their identity as Iorph anymore. They are just casually showing off their hair in public unlike before even the Iorph guy with the goatee. Maybe the times have changed and there's equality in the land? Maybe the picture shows normal humans can go to their place like tourists? Haha who knows. |
HollowDollJan 14, 2019 12:42 PM
| There are only two versions that make sense. It is either the princess that is maybe 2-3 years older than she was when Leilia left her and she somehow found her way there or all the little groups are depictions of Maquia and friends in different stages of time and the one with the orange/brownish hair is her when she was living with the family and baby Ariel. I think you can choose what you want to believe with that one. |
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| They all make sense honestly. In the end it's like zwolf12 said, it's whatever we choose to believe, unless there is certain information out there. I can totally see it being Medmel, if she for example traced down Leilia and decided to stick around :) I mean, even if mother doesn't want her there; but on the other hand, Leilia could have said those things in the spur of the moment, and might change her mind years later when Medmel comes to her town. Depictions of past are possible, although I have my doubts mostly because of the white hair guy the girl is talking to. It could be the merchant she met on that night, who knows. As HollowDoll also said, it could be a random human that visited the place. Maybe the land is more open to foreign visitors in the future, or it's a trader of some sort. It could literally be any random reason, and I hate the makers for not providing more hints xD Thank you all for your posts! I'll weave it into Hibiol :P |
| In an interview, Okada said that the scene reflects that while some of the Iolph were dispersed after their village was attacked, their lives continued on. Some of them, just like Leilia, ended up having children. These children are still Iolph's though, so when everyone rebuilt the village they were all invited back. Based on this, you could technically assume that the girl in the back is Medmel, especially with how intentionally she stands out. Article I referenced above: ( https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/07/22/maquia-when-the-promised-flower-blooms-ending-explained-and-details-from-the-director ) If that is the case though, I wish they would've shown the process of them reuniting. If I were to guess though, I'd say Medmel became fascinated with her mom after seeing how strong she was while escaping the castle. And since she didn't have any obligations after the kingdom was destroyed, maybe she made meeting her mother again her life mission. Then again, it could just be another rando's child. |
Pickled_Chips said: In an interview, Okada said that the scene reflects that while some of the Iolph were dispersed after their village was attacked, their lives continued on. Some of them, just like Leilia, ended up having children. These children are still Iolph's though, so when everyone rebuilt the village they were all invited back. Based on this, you could technically assume that the girl in the back is Medmel, especially with how intentionally she stands out. Article I referenced above: ( https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/07/22/maquia-when-the-promised-flower-blooms-ending-explained-and-details-from-the-director ) If that is the case though, I wish they would've shown the process of them reuniting. If I were to guess though, I'd say Medmel became fascinated with her mom after seeing how strong she was while escaping the castle. And since she didn't have any obligations after the kingdom was destroyed, maybe she made meeting her mother again her life mission. Then again, it could just be another rando's child. Thank you for sharing that info. It would make sense. And yes, I would love to see the reunion if that indeed is Medmel. In fact, her journey to Iolph could be an interesting adventure on it's own. |
| My thought here is that Krim said those words because Maquia grew her hair perhaps she's being sentimental and doesn't want to cut her orange colored hair. So he cut it instead...because ahe isn't pregnant at all? |
Wolf_Wynterson said: Jamesu--kun said: My thought here is that Krim said those words because Maquia grew her hair perhaps she's being sentimental and doesn't want to cut her orange colored hair. So he cut it instead...because ahe isn't pregnant at all? Seems like a mistranslation in (some?) subtitles... In the dub Krim actually says: "Your hair has gotten so long - Back in our village we were only permitted hair past our waist if we had a child." ...which makes much more sense to me... That would make more sense. In fact, I read in other topics/forums that it is a mis-translation. I don't know for sure, but it does cause lot of confusion. Thanks for clearing that up. |
| Just rewatched the final bits and teared up again. God, I can’t get my mind of this movie and every time I do, my eyes get so watery. Just imagining the pain and sorrows Maquia will have to carry on and move forward with is just too heart-wrenching. That moment when a mother outlives her very own child and witnesses both the child’s first and last moments is just .. numbing to my heart. I feel so empty ;-;. But anyway, to answer you question, I think the red/orange-haired Iorph is, in fact, Medmel. It could be some other Iorph bearing a child after rape or such too and that’s completely possible too, but I feel like Medmel’s admiration of her mother, like in that short reunion scene made her go out of her way in search for Leila and the Iorphs. Another possibility that comes to mind is that this picture is a respresentation that humans and Iorphs are getting along better than ever before. That is, a cross-breed between the Iorphs and the Humans is now in effect. While there’s very little of a chance for this to be true, I feel like it could certainly be something of this sort too. |
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| As said above, i'd take the guess of the princess but it's clearly said that both leilia and the princess were going to live far apart. [reads all previous comments] Well Pickled_Chips said it all, thumbs up :)! |
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Liinah said: I chose to believe it's Leilia's daughter, that is cause she wanted to meet her daughter so much, and the way she left without even saying anything meaningful to her made me really bittersweet as if it completely meant nothing to her. Maybe she somehow reunited to her in the future. Yup, you summed it up about right, I'll believe that this happened too. |
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| I'm pretty sure Krim kidnaps her to engage/marry Baiera prince, same as Leilia.So Krim can have his revenge.(Why would Baiera attack the Mezarte otherwise?)Thats why she was held in cagelike room.And unfortunately, thats why she got pregnant. |
Νεχ ποσσυμ τεχυμ ωιωερε, νεχ σινε τε. |
| I can see her as Leilia's daughter for sure. And I'm sure there were children conceived sometime after the assault on Iorph. Thank you all for your theories, they all seem possible in a way. I think the creators of the movie achieved what they wanted: to pique our interests and make us think about it. What interesting tales have come from a single picture :D |
Pickled_Chips said: In an interview, Okada said that the scene reflects that while some of the Iolph were dispersed after their village was attacked, their lives continued on. Some of them, just like Leilia, ended up having children. These children are still Iolph's though, so when everyone rebuilt the village they were all invited back. Based on this, you could technically assume that the girl in the back is Medmel, especially with how intentionally she stands out. Article I referenced above: ( https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/07/22/maquia-when-the-promised-flower-blooms-ending-explained-and-details-from-the-director ) If that is the case though, I wish they would've shown the process of them reuniting. If I were to guess though, I'd say Medmel became fascinated with her mom after seeing how strong she was while escaping the castle. And since she didn't have any obligations after the kingdom was destroyed, maybe she made meeting her mother again her life mission. Then again, it could just be another rando's child. It says right in the article that the image takes place many years later. So it's another descendant. |
Enigma-kun said: HOLD ON GUYS!! I think you're all missing something else. Did anyone notice those 2 kids with brown skin on the front? Pickled_Chips said: In an interview, Okada said that the scene reflects that while some of the Iolph were dispersed after their village was attacked, their lives continued on. Some of them, just like Leilia, ended up having children. These children are still Iolph's though, so when everyone rebuilt the village they were all invited back. Based on this, you could technically assume that the girl in the back is Medmel, especially Article I referenced above: ( https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/07/22/maquia-when-the-promised-flower-blooms-ending-explained-and-details-from-the-director ) BASED on that, I can assume that those two kids probably Maquia daughters from her marriage with Barlow (the Half Iolph merchant guys with brown skin). I mean just look at their hairstyle that really looks like Maquia. And that is very likely to be hinted by the scene where Maquia was picked up by Barlow after visiting the old Ariel. It can be a symbolic that those two were married. And the picture took places many, many years later and I don't think the brown/red hair girl is Medmel, she should have looks really old if it was her. Ah, I see that being the thing. Man, so many possibilities! Thanks for the info! |
tokizo1312 said: In the article provided by Pickled_Chips, the director says Maquia has been in that room for 10 years, and the scene where Krim cuts off Maquia's hair indicates that he just wants to get rid of any trace of impurity humans forced on Maquia (notice how he is aggressive in this scene, and long hair means pregnancy, as explained by Krim, I dont think the translation is wrong.) I don't know if she said exactly 10 years, but in the booklet of the collector edition, there are illustrations of Ariel at the story key points with his age. He is 15 in Dorail and 21 in Mezarte, so 6 years of captivity according to this source. Same information on the official website (http://sayoasa.jp/en/history.html). I don't think she's pregnant. It's been 6 years she's there and she would be pregnant only now? I saw this scene in 3 audio languages and with 4 different subtitles and none explicitly says she is pregnant. The official subtitles and dubs clearly say that Iorphs have to have a child to grow their hair, as a tradition. And I don't think there a translation error. In Japanese, Krim basically says that if an Iorph has long hair, it's because has given birth, which can more rarely translated by bearing a child. So, this can be interpreted in two ways: she's not allowed to have long hair because she's pregnant or she is indeed pregnant. As for the children in the end, an interview of Okada in the collector booklet edition mostly tells the same thing as the IGN interview. Like Maquia, the surviving Iorphs have opened themselves to the outside world and there have been new "meetings" (and obviously children), which is, in the end, one of the themes of the movie. It's no more than that. |
| Someone has doubts it can be the daughter of Leilia or an half breed from that time period because too much time has passed. But see, in the end of the movie, when Ariel dies by old age, we are shown the guy that accompanied Maquia...he's the same half breed of the start of the movie, when Maquia finds toddler Ariel. So it's safe to assume that half breeds retain the longevity trait of their mothers/fathers. So it's probably Leilia's daughter. |
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| We will never know and that's for the best |
Pickled_Chips said: In an interview, Okada said that the scene reflects that while some of the Iolph were dispersed after their village was attacked, their lives continued on. Some of them, just like Leilia, ended up having children. These children are still Iolph's though, so when everyone rebuilt the village they were all invited back. Based on this, you could technically assume that the girl in the back is Medmel, especially with how intentionally she stands out. Article I referenced above: ( https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/07/22/maquia-when-the-promised-flower-blooms-ending-explained-and-details-from-the-director ) If that is the case though, I wish they would've shown the process of them reuniting. If I were to guess though, I'd say Medmel became fascinated with her mom after seeing how strong she was while escaping the castle. And since she didn't have any obligations after the kingdom was destroyed, maybe she made meeting her mother again her life mission. Then again, it could just be another rando's child. In the end they got a happy ending. Thank you for this man |
| 1. Red/orange haired girl: Medmel. Iorph people are basically Elves. A mixed 1/2 elf usually keep the imortality or at least can choose for it. So Medmel possibly lived long enough to be forgotten by the invasors and then followed her mother. 2. Dark skin kids: mixed Iorphs just like Buriol. Maquia may ended with Buriol, but the time she was being keep captive by Krim, SURELY he not allowed her being touched by no one except a "pure" iorph. And is not likely to be himself, since he was focused in rescue and reunite with Leilia. So, that comment about her hair was pointless. She was not pregnant. The most interesting to me in this picture is how it's look like they lose their culture and traditions (you can tell by the clothes) and become similar to common villagers. The tower of Hibiols is nothing more than ruins. Thanks to that now they can accept mixeds as Buriol, and also they learned to love mortals and be prepared to the separation due to the life spam. --- |
Rob7Feb 13, 2021 9:00 AM
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Maiikish said: Can someone answer my question? I watched the Italian version (idk if is the same) and the scene where krim kinapped her, he said that iolphs hair can grow over the shoulder only after they got pregnant or after they give birth .. So she had her own child? Or not.. Right here: Wolf_Wynterson said: Jamesu--kun said: My thought here is that Krim said those words because Maquia grew her hair perhaps she's being sentimental and doesn't want to cut her orange colored hair. So he cut it instead...because ahe isn't pregnant at all? Seems like a mistranslation in (some?) subtitles... In the dub Krim actually says: "Your hair has gotten so long - Back in our village we were only permitted hair past our waist if we had a child." ...which makes much more sense to me... She was NOT pregnant at that time. And until her leaves Ariel, he was her only "child". What you watched was bad translation. Japanese is a very trick language about unique meanings and mistranslations. If you give the same japanese text to 2 professionals translators, even so the results will have some phrases completely different. |
Rob7Aug 6, 2020 6:59 PM
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x3mslayer said: If you fast forward through the "credits song", at the end of the movie there is a still scene of what I believe is Iorph sometime after Maquia and Leilia returned (judging by the Renato that carried them to freedom). Screenshot: Now that to me is obvious, but the question that bugs me is: "Who is the red haired female in this picture?" Has anyone already answered this? I couldn't not find the answer. Color of her hair might also be orange or brown, but that would still mean she's not of Iorph, or at least she's half breed. My guess is that that female is a child to either Leilia or Maquia. Did Leilia bring her daughter back with her? I doubt that's the case, but it's not impossible, seeing how she didn't really have anyone (as opposed to Ariel having a family, hence Maquia could leave him without worrying). If it's not Leilia's child, that leads me to believe Maquia had another child. But who would be the father? Krim? Doubt it, it would have been blonde child like other Iorph children. Who then? Lang? Or dare I suggest, Ariel? When? Did she get kidnapped and impregnated by some soldiers/bandits, having Krim rescue her from them? Perhaps it's neither of their's child, and it's either a random woman that they allowed in, or a child of another "unfortunate" Iorph victim. But I don't think it's a coincidence they put that red haired female in the shot. I thought maybe it's a 'look at the past' , basically Maquia with her dyed hair, talking to Ariel. But that guy doesn't really seem like Ariel, hair color is also very blonde like other Iorph inhabitants. Either way it's triggering me not knowing xD I would like to hear your thoughts and theories, or even better if it has already been explained. I only watched this movie and that's all I know about this universe, so please do forgive me if I missed something cause of other material. It could be simple, but I'm missing it cause I am a daft goon. Thank you for your help~ lol red hair girl. in that last one picture is nothing, but just a random girl they have shown. don't you remember the guy who said he is half iroph,the one who was at the time when maquia picked baby ariel,that guy even had red hairs, in future they irophs and humans may have mixed so anything can happen. and it's neithers child not maquia nor leilas. |
| I believe I read everyone's take on this so far, and the reason for this forum post still existing is so that people toss their rock in the river as they pass by :) I like the movie, and I like how that final picture just brought on curiosity. Some people weren't really curious, that's fair; it could be any random red haired woman just visiting the city that has been open to guests. But I also like to believe the creators made that image on purpose, and gave that woman red hair on purpose, to inspire these thoughts. Even though and answer might not exist, or it is just random, it was fun thinking about it. And I personally think everyone's point here is valid. Thanks for stopping by~ |
RahulCalloway3 said: According to an interview the picture is meant to show that some of the children the Ioph had with humans followed them when they returned to thier homeland.I don't know about the red-haired girl but maquia never had a child. Krim mocks maquia for growing her hair (she was kept imprisoned for 10 years ) as by iorph tradition only pregnant women should grow their hair beyond their hipline . Maquia never cut her hair when she's with ariel ( she dyed it but never cut it ) I'm gonna guess the girl is Leila's daughter, since the ending shows us a halfbreed is immortal too, they just lack the golden hair & age until adulthood compared to thier parents who look like teens |
| The takes keep coming :D It's amazing how many people see this end scene and start thinking about it, I love it~ |
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